Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 01 Aug 2009 22:24

VinodTK wrote:Riots between Pakistani Christians, Muslims kill 6

In another Incident:

Pakistani mob attacks churches, houses of Christians

ISLAMABAD: Muslim fanatics attacked churches and burnt down scores of houses of the Christian community in Pakistan's Punjab province, a news report said on Saturday.

A mob attacked two churches and gutted 75 houses of Christians over the alleged desecration of papers inscribed with Quran verses at a wedding ceremony in Punjab's Azafi Abadi village at Chak 95-JB on Thursday, Atif Jamil Pagaan {What sort of derogatory Christian name is that? Isn't the word reserved for non believers a la kaffir in urdu?} and Ashfaq Fateh, leaders of the minority community was quoted as saying by the Dawn newspaper today.

Fearing attack, the members of the minority community fled the village that allowed the fanatics to attack the church, houses and cattle, the report said. {Bet they will find their houses looted clean, just like the IDP's of Swat

The station house officer of Gojra Sadar has been suspended by the District Police Officer (DPO) Inkisar Khan, the Pakistani daily said.

DPO Khan said a case has been registered against Mukhtar Maseeh, Talib Maseeh and Imran Maseeh, who were accused of desecrating the papers inscribed with Quran verses. it said.Double wammy

Christians are the second largest religious minority community in Pakistan after Hindus. The total number of Christians in Pakistan is approximately nearly 3 million or 1.6 of the population.

Christians, like other minorities, have been targetted in Pakistan for flouting blasphemy laws. International rights groups have urged the government to change the law because it was being used to terrorize religious minorities.

Sajid Ishaq, the Interfaith League chairman, has expressed concern over the violence against the Christian minorities.

Christians in southern Pakistan held demonstration last Sunday against an attack in Sikendarabad in which four persons were injured, leading to forcible occupation of a primary school, The Christian Post reported.

The attack came barely a month after a mob attacked 100 houses of Christian in Punjab province's Kasur district, destroying several houses and injuring many on blasphemy charge, it said.Tried and tested formula, always works. will work the same next month too.

"That attack was made in presence of police who did not move to save the Christians and rather protected assailants who took control of primary school building and threw children out of it ," an eyewitness was quoted as saying in the report.

"More than 1,200 of Christian families have been living in Sikendarabad near Kotri even before the creation of Pakistan," he stressed.

In November 2005, 3,000 militant Islamists attacked Christians in Sangla Hill in Pakistan and destroyed churches. The attack was over allegations of violation of blasphemy laws by a Pakistani Christian named Yousaf Masih.

In February 2006, churches and Christian schools were targeted in protests over the publications of the Jyllands-Posten cartoons in Denmark, leaving two elderly women injured and many homes and properties destroyed.

Pakistan was recommended by the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) in May 2006 to be designated as a "Country of Particular Concern" (CPC) by the Department of State.Inaction due to conflict of intreasts}

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 01 Aug 2009 22:47

shiv wrote:

This means that Gilani will not be around in ten years time to answer any questions about this statement. Pakistan does not even know how many Pakis exist in Pakland - they have had no census for two decades.

Why does it matter if there has been a census or not? do we have to negative about everything in Pakistan?Why dont we, for a change, wish Pakistan well and not display the same hatred that we accuse them of, I wish to see that smirk wiped off your face when Pakistan achieves 100% litteracy in a decades time.

Vikram_S · Post by **Vikram_S** » 01 Aug 2009 23:06

Sanjay

Its a depressing read.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oc ... nstruction

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 01 Aug 2009 23:32

vaman wrote:
shiv wrote:

This means that Gilani will not be around in ten years time to answer any questions about this statement. Pakistan does not even know how many Pakis exist in Pakland - they have had no census for two decades.
Why does it matter if there has been a census or not? do we have to negative about everything in Pakistan?Why dont we, for a change, wish Pakistan well and not display the same hatred that we accuse them of, I wish to see that smirk wiped off your face when Pakistan achieves 100% litteracy in a decades time.

Missed the casm tone....

Vikram_S · Post by **Vikram_S** » 01 Aug 2009 23:40

Jay: Vaman is being sarcastic, ie using MMS/peacenik/ WKK type arguments.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 01 Aug 2009 23:44

This xtains vs pure Islam is an extension of Nigeria

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 01 Aug 2009 23:55

Jay wrote: Whats wrong in attacking an inane argument? If you want to smooch the peach bottoms of Pakis you are more then welcome to do, please do not use the word WE in your sentiments. On the other hand, if pukes attain 100% literacy why would it make anybody happy. WE will only be happy if the pukes mind their own damn business and start behaving as decent human beings.

it seems you are unaware of Pakistani education system. by 100% it means that everyone
and his goat will have their names registered in some kind of school register. they wont have
to be able to read or write, just get registered loo and behold we have 400% literacy.

yes, Pakistani are 400% superior to Indians, they considers themselves decent humans
and Indians sub-humans.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 02 Aug 2009 01:46

VinodTK wrote:Riots between Pakistani Christians, Muslims kill 6

Was that really the original headline, because the headline has now been changed closer to reality, viz. "Muslims riot and kill six Christians in Pakjab".

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 02 Aug 2009 02:45

chanced upon pakistani metality in action - news showing pakistani in poor light = defaming Islam

http://twitter.com/TaimurAsad/status/3075129375

http://twitter.com/nizamani/status/3075058860

http://twitter.com/Asad20/status/3075010334

http://twitter.com/pakistani88/status/3075377024

Where the Mullahs Are the Upper Crust

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Aug 2009 03:59

After Badmash looks like it will be Gola's turn.
Saudis may give Musharraf asylum

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 02 Aug 2009 04:06

Former Pak envoy to US begins India-bashing

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 02 Aug 2009 04:11

Building castles in the air?
This morning's report in the Pakistani business daily Business Reporter suggests that TAPI (Turkmenistan- Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) gas pipeline (1) may be rerouted via Iran and (2) Pakistan is set to establish liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal at Gwadar port, providing a golden opportunity for India to import LNG.

I have some questions. Is India still interested in TAPI and would USA allow Asian Development Bank to finance a project that would involve Iran? Have there been any recent statements from GOI on TAPI?

TAPI gas pipeline: Pakistan suggests alternate route
...
"Alternate western route in the militancy-plagued Afghanistan is under discussion to lay down the TAPI gas pipeline without further delay. The route will be between Afghanistan-Iran and Pakistan-Iran and then again it will enter Balochistan," official said.
...
The official said the alternative western route was feasible and would be acceptable to India, and added Pakistan was set to establish liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal at Gwadar port, providing a golden opportunity for India to import LNG.
...

TAPI gas pipeline

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Aug 2009 04:30

x-posting from Sharm thread
Try peace ---- Zafar Hilaly

The 1,000 or so babus who man the Foreign Office could suggest one. The reason is the pressing need to get India off our backs in the East to allow us to deal with the Taliban in the West.

However, the likelihood of India pulling back its forces from the border is unlikely. India takes a perverse pleasure in saying "no" to sensible proposals when they emanate from Pakistan. There too exists a horde of self-defeating pundits whose main claim to fame thus far has been to ensure the creation of Pakistan and who since then have spared no effort to undo their error. But, as the wise Vajpayee realised and conceded, it is now too late, although in the hearts of some Indians hope springs eternal.

Manmohan Singh and Mrs Gandhi, a savvy duo, have a good idea how adversely instability on India's borders impacts on India. Thus, while no one expects India to make things easier for Pakistan, perish the thought, what one can hope is that India will display an element of good sense and see the writing on the wall. A continuing military stand-off is not in India's own interest. There is just so much elasticity in a rubber band. And a point has been reached when another terrorist attack will cause it to snap. Between now and when that almost inevitable attack occurs, India and Pakistan have an opportunity to so order their relations that they will be able to withstand its fall out and not allow their traditional antipathy to be manipulated by terrorists for their own ends. They fell into this trap after Mumbai and would be foolish to do so again.

There are many in India who spend an inordinate amount of time designing imaginary mausoleums for their enemies and at a time when Pakistan is mired in woes they have become quite busy. Lest they find their own bones interred in the mausoleum with those of their enemies it would be wiser to design other structures and none is more beautiful than that of peace. Why not try it? After all we have tried everything else.

archan · Post by **archan** » 02 Aug 2009 05:58

Only a paki can dish out advice to others when his own house is on fire.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Aug 2009 06:18

40 suspects nabbed in Peshawar

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 02 Aug 2009 06:24

7 Christians burnt alive in Gojra riots

LAHORE: The government deployed the Rangers to the town of Gojra on Saturday after at least seven Christians, including three women, were burnt alive and dozens injured following the second incident of violence against Christians in Punjab in one month.

The latest riots, which started almost a week ago following allegations that a copy of the holy Quran was defiled, escalated on Saturday as locals shouting slogans against Christians took to the streets in Christian Town, a Christian-only locality. Following the escalation, Interior Minister Rehman Malik, on directions of President Asif Ali Zardari, ordered the Punjab Rangers to reach Gojra and help the civil administration maintain law and order. Eyewitnesses said a protesting mob turned violent when armed men from Jhang reached the spot and started attacking Christian houses. Locals claimed the attackers were members of a banned organisation, adding they carried sophisticated weaponry. Emboldened by the attackers, the mob started throwing acid and petrol bombs on the houses, forcing the people to come out. A local resident said dozens were feared dead, adding the exact number could not be confirmed as several bodies were buried under debris.

Claiming the banned Sipah-e-Sahaba group was involved in the rioting, Federal Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti told the Associated Press he had directed police to ensure protection for the Christian community but they had ignored his instructions.

Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah said authorities had investigated the allegation of a Holy Quran being defiled “and our initial reports say that there has not been any incident of desecration”. He said the situation had calmed down on Friday, but extremists had entered the city on Saturday and pushed people toward armed clashes. Faisalabad Commissioner Tahir Hussain told local TV channels that representatives of the two communities would meet on Saturday in an effort to calm the situation.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 02 Aug 2009 06:30

Monica comes out and says it. Kashmir is all about water.

Blaming others
By Humayun Gauhar | Published: August 2, 2009

Reality also demands that all three parties realise that their demands have to be realistic. There is no way Pakistan can conquer Kashmir or force India to hold a plebiscite there. India has to realise that as long as it insists on holding on to the present status quo in Kashmir, so long will anti-India terrorism continue. And the Kashmiris must realise that whatever the end product, it will probably be achieved in stages. None will get everything they want, thus none will lose everything either.
The biggest demand of reality is the acknowledgement that the real issue is water. With all the rivers that feed Pakistan originating in Indian held Kashmir, there is no way Pakistan can leave the territory entirely in Indian control. India has not helped with its dams and plans to divert the waters. The flip side is that India will never countenance the source of the rivers in Pakistani hands either. Thus the solution, whatever it is, should leave the sources out of the control of either and the rivers should be allowed to flow in a manner where the water is equitably distributed between the two countries. If there is anything that can start an India-Pakistan war, it is water.

archan · Post by **archan** » 02 Aug 2009 06:40

So shall we expect Shirleen Mazari et. al to make as much noise about these Christian killings as they made when the Kandhamal incident happened in India?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Aug 2009 06:58

The biggest demand of reality is the acknowledgement that the real issue is water. With all the rivers that feed Pakistan originating in Indian held Kashmir, there is no way Pakistan can leave the territory entirely in Indian control.

So.. who exactly has been controlling this territory since 1947?
Botswana?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Aug 2009 07:06

Vivek_A wrote:Monica comes out and says it. Kashmir is all about water.

Blaming others
By Humayun Gauhar | Published: August 2, 2009
The biggest demand of reality is the acknowledgement that the real issue is water..

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Gobar needs to retire and allow some of those rabid and good looking young Paki wimmens with new fangled names like Shezae and Tezae to spew their venom. At least there will be something to look at while we vomit.

First it was the territory of Kashmir

Then it was Muslims of Kashmir

Now it is rivers.

Ho hum. If you can't think of something new let us at least look ate something prettier than Gobar, Shrilleen and co. These old codgers need to make way for the newer strains of Cholera.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 02 Aug 2009 08:05

Only a paki can dish out advice to others when his own house is on fire.

More like, only a Paki can mock another for being irregular when he himself is consumed by diarrhea.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Aug 2009 09:33

archan wrote:So shall we expect Shirleen Mazari et. al to make as much noise about these Christian killings as they made when the Kandhamal incident happened in India?

You are kaffir so your testimony against Muslims has npo value in the eye of Allah. Muslims are peaceful people and Islam means peace. Truth of the matter is its a Indian conspiracy. Two RAW agent Amar Singh Hindavi and Hira Lal Banwari are the real culprits behind killing and its is done to give bad name to Pakistan = Deen of Allah.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Aug 2009 10:00

shiv wrote:
Vivek_A wrote:Monica comes out and says it. Kashmir is all about water.

Blaming others
By Humayun Gauhar | Published: August 2, 2009
The biggest demand of reality is the acknowledgement that the real issue is water..
Gobar needs to retire and allow some of those rabid and good looking young Paki wimmens with new fangled names like Shezae and Tezae to spew their venom. At least there will be something to look at while we vomit.

First it was the territory of Kashmir

Then it was Muslims of Kashmir

Now it is rivers.

Ho hum. If you can't think of something new let us at least look ate something prettier than Gobar, Shrilleen and co. These old codgers need to make way for the newer strains of Cholera.

It was always and only the rivers.!

The rest of it was always smoke and mirrors.

Pakiland was a certainty for many years before partition.
jinnah was thereafter desperate to secure the economic prosperity and thus the viability of his twin orphans. So he connived and plotted on gobbling the kashmir rivers for the west pakiland and Calcutta city and port for the east pakiland.

Fate willed otherwise.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2009 10:14

From Khaled Ahmed's Book Review

Hakim Hazim & Robert J Bunker write on Perpetual Jihad: Striving for a Caliphate. Nations that have three or more of the criteria listed below have caliphate potential insofar as Islamism has been acted upon in the past and can gain traction: 1) a significant number of devout Muslims who demand an Islamic government; 2) a significant number of clerics who espouse and justify violent theology; 3) political leadership that is anti-Western and is based on sharia law; 4) failing or disjointed state status; 5) significant numbers of terrorist operatives or sympathisers that have infiltrated remain in the government and security force.

This smacks of Pakistan, all right. The worst case scenario is a takeover by militants who will come into possession of nuclear weapons. The country is truly the envy of all serious jihadists and there is no doubt that many have infiltrated the military and intelligence ranks.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Aug 2009 10:25

An exiled Musharraf will suffer more than an executed one

ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court (SC) did its job by ruling that General (retd) Pervez Musharraf had violated the Constitution on November 3, 2007 (and we know what the deadly consequences such a verdict entails). But the ruling dispensation, led by President Asif Ali Zardari, clearly has no intention to do its part by throwing the book at the dictator and reading him Article 6 dealing with treason.

Official sources said that as a follow-up of the SC decision, handed down on July 31, the government would not direct the Interior Ministry to register an FIR against Musharraf on high treason charges for abrogating the Constitution on Nov 3.

There were believed to be some guarantors, both local and international, who were given assurance last year by the present regime that once Musharraf resigned as president, he would not be prosecuted for his Nov 3 actions. Instead, the government was expected to give him indemnity for his Nov 3 actions, now declared unconstitutional, through parliament. But it could not be done.

Majority of the government power players themselves are in the dark on the issue, as it is the presidency that is to exclusively decide on how to deal with the matter after the apex court has clearly declared Musharraf’s action as unconstitutional.

Legally speaking though, it is the Interior Ministry, which has the exclusive mandate for registering an FIR under the High Treason (Punishment) Act, 1973.

Farhatullah Babar, spokesman for President Asif Ali Zardari, when asked if the government would now register a case under the Article 6 of the Constitution against Musharraf, said issue should be left for parliament to decide.

Babar said the PPP’s stance was that dictators must be punished for abrogating the Constitution. He, however, spoke in favour of the philosophy of “punishment in perpetuity” instead of physical execution, as was reflected in the Constitution and the law for such usurpers.

He said Musharraf was castigated, reprimanded and disgraced for what he had done in the past, which was the example of punishment in perpetuity.

Babar said the punishment for Musharraf, who had once declared military uniform as his second skin, started when he doffed his uniform.

He said the agony of punishment was evident on Musharraf’s face when he handed over the baton to General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

“He was further agonised when all the elected assemblies of Pakistan denounced him and sought his exit from the presidency,” Babar said and added that Musharraf was then chased out of the presidency.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Aug 2009 10:35

SSridhar wrote:From Khaled Ahmed's Book Review
Hakim Hazim & Robert J Bunker write on Perpetual Jihad: Striving for a Caliphate. Nations that have three or more of the criteria listed below have caliphate potential insofar as Islamism has been acted upon in the past and can gain traction: 1) a significant number of devout Muslims who demand an Islamic government; 2) a significant number of clerics who espouse and justify violent theology; 3) political leadership that is anti-Western and is based on sharia law; 4) failing or disjointed state status; 5) significant numbers of terrorist operatives or sympathisers that have infiltrated remain in the government and security force.

This smacks of Pakistan, all right. The worst case scenario is a takeover by militants who will come into possession of nuclear weapons. The country is truly the envy of all serious jihadists and there is no doubt that many have infiltrated the military and intelligence ranks.

SSridhar ji,

Are we running into a well scripted psyops with the constant litany about a failed pakiland and nuclear weapons falling in to the hands of the jehadis?

I do not thing that the pakis are anywhere near a failed state situation and their prized possession the nukes, which makes the pakis the international migraine that they truly excell at being, are actually as safe as nukes elsewhere.

We are being bludgeoned with exactly the same logic from the americans as well as the pakis and both use the very same arguments to wrest concessions from us.

The americans, israelis, Indians, and very many interested parties are all covertly and overtly watching the jehadis and nuke weapon thing very very carefully and there are, I am very sure many independent and some coordinated plans to tackle this very situation with extreme prejudice.

Are we not shooting ourselves in the foot by endorsing such a manufactured view?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 02 Aug 2009 10:46

Vivek_A wrote:7 Christians burnt alive in Gojra riots

This has uncanny resemblance to Godhra in many ways. What was that again?....karma is a....

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 02 Aug 2009 10:47

archan wrote:So shall we expect Shirleen Mazari et. al to make as much noise about these Christian killings as they made when the Kandhamal incident happened in India?

Christian Killing ? What Christian killings ?
Why are you Indian Kaffirs bent upon soiling the name of Pakistan. No Muslim would ever raise a finger towards non-muslim. That is what Kuran has mentioned. Refer to sura "He who kills one innocent person kills whole universe". They killers can not be Muslims.
Moreover we need to investigate if the people who got killed were actually Christians.
Unfortunately we can not lower the trousers of the men folk and check like in case of muslims. That is why every Pakistani should conver to Islam for easy identification of Indian agents. Who knows if enemy agents got few bodies from Kandhamal and dumped them here.
Again no one saw the so called Christians speaking English or drinking alcohol like they show in movies.
The whole riot thing is fake just like 9/11 and Jews and Indian media are simply spreading stories. Punjab govt needs to investigate and if there really was some blasphemy then as per Shariah, they deserved to die , So it wont be that bad.
Pakistan==Islam= Peace

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Aug 2009 10:53

Karachi seems to be in the throes of a targeted killing spree with the Mohajir’s at the receiving end.

In separate incidents and in typical Karachi style, two MQM members gunned down by motorcycle borne assasins:

Sunday, August 02, 2009

MQM naib nazim killed

KARACHI: ……………. As per details, Rana Riaz, a Naib-Nazim of Union Council No 3, Malir Town, was gunned down ……………… The deceased, who was associated with MQM, ………………… was at Kauser Town for a visit to his under construction plot. It is then that two armed-men on a motorcycle came and fled away after shooting him. ………………

MQM's PPOC activist gunned down: An activist of MQM's Punjabi Pakhtoon Organising Committee was shot dead in an incident of target killing. The deceased Rashid, 23, son of Haji Mushtaq, was gunned down by unidentified motorcyclists

From here:

Daily Times

Earlier during the week :

Three MQM activists gunned down

Tuesday, July 28, 2009
By our correspondent

Karachi

Three activists of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) were shot dead by armed men in the Saeedabad police limits in a recent spate of target killing.

The News

The below article again from earlier this week provides the scale of the target killing spree in Karachi:

Tuesday, July 28, 2009

SHC moved for 445 target killings in 6 mths

KARACHI: The Sindh High Court (SHC) was moved here on Monday to order the arrest of the culprits involved in the target killings of 445 people from Jan 1 to July 20, 2009. ……………….

Daily Times

For a collection of people that formed a nation on the basis of the shared Muslim religion, Pakistani’s are certainly shockingly prone to internal group violence..

An outcome of Mohajir on Mohajir violence with the MQM (H) brawling with the MQM or a case of Pashtun on Mohajir violence with the ANP brawling with the MQM

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2009 11:03

chetak wrote:It was always and only the rivers.!

The rest of it was always smoke and mirrors.

It is pertinent to recall what Maj. Akbar Khan (later Maj. Gen) of the PA who, under the nom-de-guerre 'Gen. Tariq', planned and executed the 1947-48 war in J&K, felt as to why J&K was so important for Kashmir.

There are three authentic sources: one, Maj. Gen. Akbar Khan's memoirs titled, "Raiders in Kashmir", the other, his interview published in the Pakistan Defence Journal (June-July, 1985) and the last "Jawan to General: Recollections of a Pakistani Soldier" by Gen. Mohammed Musa who became C-in-C of the PA.

Here is an extract:
". . .agricultural economy was dependent particularly upon the rivers coming out of Kashmir". "The Mangla Headworks were actually in Kashmir and the Marala Headworks were within a mile or so of the border. What then would be our position if Kashmir was in Indian hands?"

Then there is the argument of Gen. Douglas Gracey, the then British C-in-C of the PA, who said: "If this area's going to India, it would mean facing the IA on the long Pakistan border within 30 miles of strategic railway leading from Peshawar through West Punjab to Lahore. . . It will also give them control of Mangla Headworks placing the irrigation in Jhelum and other districts at their mercy . . ."

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 02 Aug 2009 11:09

I am not sure if this is possible but if at all we wanted some amount of retribution for the terrorist attacks why not mix up deadly faeces/dead rats in the jhelum or indus or sutlej and flush it dowsntream. Cholera will take care of the land of the pure

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Aug 2009 11:10

chetak wrote: It was always and only the rivers.!

From the psyops viewpoint it is unwise to say this. Highly unchankian.

Even if it was rivers - what have the Pakis been saying?

If you go by what the Pakis have been saying then it means they are shifting goalposts.

sathyasryan · Post by **sathyasryan** » 02 Aug 2009 11:19

just came across this article in Rediff.....what is the guy talking about?? seems to me the pakis are trying to cook up hard evidence to convince themselves of Indian involvement in Balochistan

http://news.rediff.com/special/2009/jul ... histan.htm

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Aug 2009 11:21

Pakistan, the sole Islamic nuclear power, is no longer that

:

Chashma nuclear power plant closed due to technical issues

Submitted 23 hrs 26 mins ago

Chashma Nuclear Power Plant closed on Saturday owing to technical issues fueling fear that the ongoing load shedding in the region might further be increased. ………

The Nation

And earlier during the week :

Wednesday, July 29, 2009

KANUPP not online yet, says KESC

KARACHI: The Karachi Electric Supply Company’s (KESC) own generating plants and the IPPs had been working normally, however the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant (KANUPP) was not back online yet, said the power utility’s Chief Operating Officer (Distribution) Jan Abbas Zaidi during a daily press briefing …………..

Daily Times

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Aug 2009 11:58

sathyasryan wrote:just came across this article in Rediff.....what is the guy talking about?? seems to me the pakis are trying to cook up hard evidence to convince themselves of Indian involvement in Balochistan

http://news.rediff.com/special/2009/jul ... histan.htm

So they located 3 guys with unsnipped mijjile.

I am sure that the respected Pakistani PM will share picture of that with MMS, BO and present it in a UN general assembly speech "in the near future" (his words).

They were not able to give it in a dossier to MMS in S-e-S though, rumor has it that Rehman Malik stole it for some late night reading and those pages of the dossier were found stuck together in the morning.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Aug 2009 14:02

report in TOI today that Mynamar (with north korea and chinese help) is building a nuclear reactor
inside a mountain cave near where a to-be-safeguarded civilian reactor is being made with russian aid.
it speculated if the 2 escaped scientists of the khan network could be gainfully employed there.

myanmar seems to be following the template the chinese prepared for Noko
- miltary rule, all dissent snuffed out
- economic failure and perennial basket case
- massive military funded by chinese money
- then a nuclear program to keep khan on backfoot
- culminating in a peaceful bum explosion to enter the club of n-armed sino friendly
tyrant regimes

Noko is a testcase - if khan falters there and doesnt nip this new genetic code in the bud,
none of those military toys will help....PRC will relentlessly drive the Khan out of east asia
- using its mix of rogue states, economic giveaways, leverage with political elites, terrorism
to raise khancosts to a unacceptable level.

Japan is a dying country - they have no kids left to fight the next war. in one generation
they will be a shadow.

south koreans are han ethnic related. the will smell the coffee and pump in $$$ and
technology in exchange for being left to rule their tiny turf - under the gun of the
chinese dog Noko.

with the east asia co-prosperity sphere secured, khan sent home in disgrace back to
hawaii and the fresh markets open for its goods and sources of raw materials, no prizes
for guessing who will be the only tree left standing on the steppe - India.

reaction will be harsh and brutal and they will do whatever it takes to reduce us to
a vassal state or fragment us N times.

I suspect Indian planners have already forseen the retreat of khan from asiapac in a
decade and the steps we see are to prepare for the gradual vacuum.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2009 14:08

Vivek_A wrote:7 Christians burnt alive in Gojra riots

The Lahore High Court has taken suo motu recognition of this and ordered investigation.

The investigators will find that the real reason was blasphemy committed by the Christians. There are many standard reasons, somebody tore a page off the Koran, somebody scribbled something on a page, somebody stamped it etc. Then, the prosecution of the Christians can proceed legally and cover the violence by the Sipah-e-Sahaba as justified anger.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2009 14:17

chetak wrote:Are we running into a well scripted psyops with the constant litany about a failed pakiland and nuclear weapons falling in to the hands of the jehadis?. . . .Are we not shooting ourselves in the foot by endorsing such a manufactured view?

Chetak ji, I posted that snippet for the 'conditions' that would lead to the establishment of a Caliphate. All 5 conditions (we may add one or two more to the list) are more than met by today's Pakistan. I do not think there is any doubt about the relentless movement of the Islamic Republic of Paksitan towards a Caliphate. Whether such an entity will be established by the politicians, the PA, the Taliban, the clerics or the common Abduls of that country is moot. Again, there could be delays in achieving that dream but it is inevitable.

A Caliphate is not a 'failed state'. It is in the eyes of the beholder, as somebody said here a few pages back. It is indeed a pinnacle of achievement for the Believers. Remember there was a struggle between Egypt and a freshly-minted Pakistan in the 50s to stake the claims for the defunct Ottoman Empire ? So, the Pakistani struggle is long.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 02 Aug 2009 14:18

shravan wrote:200 boys being trained for suicide bombing recovered

The rape of young minds

According to the report, circulated by APP, these children were now in the custody of the army. It appears that many of them would be enrolled in army educational institutions. The minister said that, to quote the words of the report, "the provincial government has no facility or institution to enlighten these children therefore it would request the army to do the job". What does this mean? Is it the job of the army to 'enlighten' little boys who have been led astray by bigoted preachers and wily terrorists? And what kind of enlightenment is this going to be?
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200 Kasab's...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Aug 2009 14:34

SSridharji,

If indeed TSP forms the nucleus of the caliphate, who becomes caliph? The COAS of the PA? And after him, his sons? Just wondering. Maybe it is time for the caliphate to come into being after all. The believers have suffered long and enough already. The caliphate shall also free the hands and minds of free peoples* everywhere including perhaps, in India.

*Free people reject the one G_d, one book, one path orthodoxy and deny a ticket to heaven to none on the basis of religious belief. Thats my definition and the context in which I use the term.