Indian Military Aviation

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 13 Sep 2010 19:06

Indian Air Force Imparts Sukhoi Su-30 Fighter Training to Malaysian Air Force Pilots

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4520

The Indian Air Force (IAF)'s two-year-plus stint in training their Malaysian counterparts to operate the Russian-made Sukhoi Su30-MKM Flankers came to an end on Sunday.

The 53-member IAF team of air and technical crew, led by Group Captain K.V.R. Raju, had been working with the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) since March 2008.

"The RMAF's 11th Squadron is now capable of operating on their own after achieving the required standards," The New Straits Times quoted Raju, as saying.

"My team and I are proud to have been a part of the efforts of imparting invaluable operational experience to them via the best possible training programme available," he added.

The IAF has been operating the Sukhoi Su30 for the past 12 years, while Malaysia acquired the jets in 2007.

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Sep 2010 20:47

nachiket wrote: ^^This! The article clearly states that IAF's M2Ks, Jaguars and MKIs are nuclear capable but the SFC wants its own squadrons. It clearly mean that the the SFC wants a few MKIs of its own (MKIs because they have a much larger payload than the M2Ks and Jaguars). The 40 will either come from the 270 that the IAF has ordered or more likely 40 more directly ordered from the Russians since HAL is booked to capacity.

When there is news about unusually inflated price for 42 new Su30s and within days, news of SFC wanting ( a strange number of) 40 aircraft comes out, the dots join themselves, IMHO..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Sep 2010 21:33

have to agree. perhaps special EMP hardening treatments and electrical protections?

with a single 1t bomb, the MKI on 100% internal fuel should be able to manage 1500km radius?

Mihir.D · Post by **Mihir.D** » 13 Sep 2010 22:30

Singha wrote:have to agree. perhaps special EMP hardening treatments and electrical protections?

with a single 1t bomb, the MKI on 100% internal fuel should be able to manage 1500km radius?

What would be the output of a 1 ton nuke device ?

I would rather image the MKI with a 1 ton LRCM having a range of 600 KM, that would put its range close to 2000 KM and with 1 re-fuel prob 3000 KM.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Sep 2010 23:05

I believe our FBF device which is the most powarful thing (if one disbelieves the thermo nuke test) was claimed as 200kt and 550kg...iirc.
a true thermonuclear device of 1t weight would release a high yield. W88 is estimated at 350kg and unleashes 500kt max. so a 500kg H-bomb
could likely scale 1MT....a city buster.

a nirbhay or brahmos type warhead would be 200-300kg and have severe form factor constraint due to slim bodies...not sure if we have such
minime devices or whats the utility against large targets.

jai · Post by **jai** » 14 Sep 2010 01:49

Strategic Command to acquire 40 nuclear capable fighters

2 Squads of TU 160...drop air launched nuclear missiles on the dlagon if needed from the east/ south China sea....the possibility of 6 brahmos on a rotary launcher......mmmm...now where were those dlagon S 300 Units in Tibet ??

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 14 Sep 2010 02:26

Innocent pooch - have we ever tried/desired to acquire the Tu-160?

neeraj · Post by **neeraj** » 14 Sep 2010 03:47

Su30 MKI will be an ideal fit for the Strategic Command.
Ruskies will not give Tu160 as they are ramping up their own numbers.

Su34's can also be considered but why re-invent the wheel when MKI's will more than suffice.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Sep 2010 05:59

Mihir.D wrote: What would be the output of a 1 ton nuke device ?

Made in India or made anywhere outside India?

munna · Post by **munna** » 14 Sep 2010 06:01

neeraj wrote:Su34's can also be considered but why re-invent the wheel when MKI's will more than suffice.

Maybe all that extra Kharcha-Paani for new 40 odd MKIs is to create a fleet of SU-34 under the hijaab of SU-MKI??

Patrick Cusack · Post by **Patrick Cusack** » 14 Sep 2010 07:18

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Indian Air Force Imparts Sukhoi Su-30 Fighter Training to Malaysian Air Force Pilots

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4520

The Indian Air Force (IAF)'s two-year-plus stint in training their Malaysian counterparts to operate the Russian-made Sukhoi Su30-MKM Flankers came to an end on Sunday.

The 53-member IAF team of air and technical crew, led by Group Captain K.V.R. Raju, had been working with the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) since March 2008.

"The RMAF's 11th Squadron is now capable of operating on their own after achieving the required standards," The New Straits Times quoted Raju, as saying.

"My team and I are proud to have been a part of the efforts of imparting invaluable operational experience to them via the best possible training programme available," he added.

The IAF has been operating the Sukhoi Su30 for the past 12 years, while Malaysia acquired the jets in 2007.

- Teaching your enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 14 Sep 2010 08:04

Patrick Cusack wrote:- Teaching your enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geez, where did that come from? Just because they're a Muslim majority nation? They'd prove to be a very helpful ally in case a war broke out with China. And for the record, we not only taught them, we also introduced them to this aircraft.

Patrick Cusack · Post by **Patrick Cusack** » 14 Sep 2010 08:15

China - Pakistan nexus

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 14 Sep 2010 08:43

Dmurphy wrote:
Patrick Cusack wrote:- Teaching your enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geez, where did that come from? Just because they're a Muslim majority nation? They'd prove to be a very helpful ally in case a war broke out with China. And for the record, we not only taught them, we also introduced them to this aircraft.

pardon the ignorance but have we got the bragging or marketing rights for the babe? i hope we are getting royalty on each sale.

Aditya Watts · Post by **Aditya Watts** » 14 Sep 2010 17:17

Austin wrote:While we are at it here are two good videos of Tu-22M3 doing some stunt

Tu-22M3 doing low level pass ( watch it with sound )
Tu-22M3 what looks like experiencing landing problem

Wow, especially the first video is awesome. It sounds like a F1 car that is passing by

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 15 Sep 2010 00:06

Antony Dedicates AFNET to the Nation

Defence Minister Shri AK Antony today inaugurated the IAF’s gigabyte digital information grid – the AFNET (Air Force Network), dedicating it to the people of the nation, for their direct or indirect participation in the communication revolution.

The launch, a significant milestone in the IAF’s quest towards achieving a capability for Network Centric (NCW) operations was held in the presence of Union Minister of Communication & IT, Shri A Raja, Raksha Rajya Mantri, Shri MM Pallam Raju, Minister of State for Communication, Shri Sachin Pilot, Marshal of the Air Force Arjan Singh, Chief of the Air Staff, Chief of the Army Staff and other officials from the three services and members of the Industry.

Outlining the two-fold aim of ‘Network for Spectrum’ approach of the government – to facilitate the growth of national tele-density on the one hand, and ensuring modernization of defence communications with the state-of-the-art communication infrastructure, the network will have the potential to support net-centric operations, Shri Antony said.

A practice interception of simulated enemy targets by a pair of Mig-29 fighter aircraft airborne from an advanced airbase in the Punjab sector neutralizing intruding targets in the western sector was played out live on the giant screens at the Air Force auditorium offering a glimpse of the harnessed AFNET potential.

Further, various other functionalities contributing towards NCW were also showcased. These comprised of facilitating video from Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV), pictures from an AWACS aircraft to the decision-makers on ground sitting hundreds of kilometers away, providing intelligence inputs from far-flung areas at central locations seamlessly. This was possible mainly with the robust networking platform provided by AFNET.

AFNET Project with an estimated expenditure of Rs 1077 Cr, comprises of Internet Protocol (IP) Multi Protocol Switching Protocol (MPLS) based Network with Optic Fibre Cables (OFC) as backbone. The AFNET Project has SATCOM Network as overlay, Line Of Sight (LOS) Radio for Metro Area and difficult terrains, as a back up to OFC links. The network is secured with a host of advanced state-of-the-art encryption technologies. It is designed for high reliability with redundancy built into the network design itself.

IAF envisages using AFNET communication network and enabled IT infrastructure for all operational, techno-logistics and administrative functions to leverage developments in this field so as to enhance operational efficiency, cost-effectiveness and ease of administration.

The AFNET project is an excellent example of seamless co-ordination between the MoD, the MoC & IT, PSUs such as BSNL and private industry. The committed industry effort was ably led by BSNL, M/s Cisco & HCL Infosystems Ltd. Shri Antony lauded the synergy between the Ministries of Defence and Communication and Information Technology, BSNL and the Indian industry and said that together they can take the IT services to the next higher level.

While this fully secure and reliable nation-wide communication network will serve the IAF, the AFNET will also facilitate accelerated economic growth by providing radio frequency spectrum for telecommunication purposes. AFNET will be the largest Multi-protocol Label Switching (MPLS) network in the defence segment.

“The recent deployments of AFNET, IACCS and other systems have put the IAF in the fore-front of NCW enabled nations. This quantum leap in the field of Communication & Information Technology will help field units train and develop tactics, techniques and procedures to realize the full benefits of network-enabled capabilities,” said the Air Chief at the inauguration.

TK Singha/-

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 15 Sep 2010 00:17

Patrick Cusack wrote: - Teaching your enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Malaysia is not an enemy..heck, the IAF is also credited with advertising and encouraging Malaysia to buy the 18 MiG-29Ns from (then) Rosvooruzheniye in June 1994 ! So, the ties between the two nations' air forces are long standing and do not have to be viewed with the prism of their being an Islamic nation that also has ties with Pakistan.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Sep 2010 02:31

Since the IAF will be upgrading its Sukhois, any Malay-Pak transfer, should not be a huge issue for the IAF.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 18 Sep 2010 10:38

India Too Large for Any Alliance, to Retain Strategic Autonomy : PM
..:: India Strategic ::..

India Too Large for Any Alliance, to Retain Strategic Autonomy : PM
Published: September 2010
New Delhi. Backing the Modernisation of Defence Forces, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh Sep 13 Underlined his Commitment to Preserving India's Strategic Autonomy and Stressed that It is too Large a Country to be Boxed into any Alliance or Regional Arrangement.

"We have always prided ourselves on Preserving our Strategic Autonomy, and this is an article of faith for us," he told the Combined Commanders' Conference in the capital.

"India is Too Large a Country to be Boxed into any Alliance or Regional or Sub-Regional Arrangements, whether Trade, Economic or Political," the Prime Minister said.

Putting India's economic transformation at the heart of the country's foreign policy and strategic orientation, Dr Manmohan Singh said in order to sustain 9 to 10 percent growth rate and to modernize its infrastructure, India needs to "maintain healthy relations with all major powers".

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 18 Sep 2010 11:14

Wind Tunnel Test Facilities In India

Part 1 : http://www.icast.org.in/Resources/Dwttfi1.pdf
Part 2 : http://www.icast.org.in/Resources/Dwttfi2.pdf

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 19 Sep 2010 17:13

Was this posted before?

EXCLUSIVE: A&N Command Recommends Sukhoi-30MKI Sqn At Car Nicobar

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09/ex ... 30mki.html

It also talks about proposals for Aerospace and Sepcial Forces Command which are pending with GOI.

vishnu.nv · Post by **vishnu.nv** » 19 Sep 2010 22:23

Yes, Rohit this was discussed previously in the Su-30 forumn.

Will take another 5 years for the babus to decide this, I think andaman base is also included in the IAF's infrastruture project

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 20 Sep 2010 00:55

Am confused asto the correct forum to post this in so if this is not the right one then my apologies & mods please move it, thanks.

September 11, 2010 - Goma, Congo
IAF Mil Mi-35E

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 20 Sep 2010 01:10

Juggi G wrote:India Too Large for Any Alliance, to Retain Strategic Autonomy : PM
..:: India Strategic ::..
India Too Large for Any Alliance, to Retain Strategic Autonomy : PM
Published: September 2010
New Delhi. Backing the Modernisation of Defence Forces, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh Sep 13 Underlined his Commitment to Preserving India's Strategic Autonomy and Stressed that It is too Large a Country to be Boxed into any Alliance or Regional Arrangement.

India needs a large military industrial complex to maintain this autonomy. It needs leadership and strong economy to build this.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 21 Sep 2010 00:24

IAF seems to be in "very bad shape", observes Tribunal

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The Tribunal's Principal Bench headed by Chairperson Justice A K Mathur made the remarks while issuing notice to the IAF and asking it to file a reply in a pension-related plea filed by a Corporal.

While hearing the case, he said that with the kind of cases being filed by the service personnel, it seems that the IAF was in a "very bad shape" and showed the "petty-mindedness" of the authorities.

The case was filed by Corporal Chanderbhan Dhankar, who has been refused pension by the IAF even though he has served only five days less than the mandatory pensionable service of 15 years.

The Tribunal had last week too slammed the IAF authorities for their "arbitrary" approach against airmen and asked them to be more "humane".

Hearing a plea by Corporal Ashit Kumar Mishra, who was not given an NOC by the Indian Air Force to join a group 'B' civil service job in Uttar Pradesh, the Tribunal had termed such an approach as "suicidal".
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rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 21 Sep 2010 20:57

In all the gloom and doom news about PLA, some good news:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 596350.cms

IAF now plans to upgrade its Nyoma advanced landing ground (ALG) in Eastern Ladakh, which was re-activated when an AN-32 transport landed there in September 2009, into an operational airbase.

Defence ministry sources on Monday said IAF has submitted a proposal to develop Nyoma into ''a full-fledged airfield, capable of handling all kinds of aircraft, including fighters'', as well as civilian flights. Incidentally, defence minister A K Antony himself had visited Nyoma in June this year

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 21 Sep 2010 20:58

Air Force Proposal - Upgrade Nyoma Airstrip to Full-fledged Airfield

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 21 Sep 2010 23:26

Honeywell Develops New Engine for Indian Air Force Jaguar Fighters

Honeywell's aerospace division is exploring opportunities for forging partnerships with Indian companies that are keen to address the demand for offsets in defence deals, said Pritam Bhavnani, President of Honeywell's Aerospace Division in India, on Tuesday.

Speaking to reporters here, Mr. Bhavnani said, Honeywell had developed a new engine for the Jaguar aircraft. "We have provided the new engine to Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) and the Indian Air Force," he said.

About Honeywell's sourcing agreement with HAL for engines for turbo prop aircraft, Mr. Bhavnani said the first phase of the project was almost over. In the second phase HAL is to supply 400 additional parts. The third phase is likely to be completed in 2011, he said.

The sourcing agreement between the two companies requires HAL to supply Honeywell 600 aircraft engines over a 10-15-year period, Mr. Bhavnani said. Referring to the role played by Honeywell's facilities in Bangalore, Mr. Bhavnani said employees here had contributed to the development of the smart runaway landing and smart landing system.

He said the newly developed system would help aircraft pilots have "better situational awareness, especially in adverse weather conditions." He said Emirates airline and Alaska Airlines, among others, had shown interest in procuring the new system.

Honeywell employs 11,000 persons in India, constituting 8 per cent of its global workforce.

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4544

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 22 Sep 2010 23:08

IAF Super Herc Begins Engine Runs, First Flight Next Month

I do appreciate the americans in one department. This is our first major purchase of military equipment from the US in recent times and its bang on time and no cost escalations. Unlike the Russians and the French.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 23 Sep 2010 02:06

^^^^ Ah I see the IFR, finally

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 23 Sep 2010 02:30

indranilroy wrote:^^^^ Ah I see the IFR, finally

Most excellent. Does it make IAF's only aircraft that can be refueled as well as refuel other aircraft?

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 23 Sep 2010 03:22

^^^ No the KC-130J has both. I don't think the IAF SH can refuel others, can they?!!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Sep 2010 06:08

Aditya G wrote:
indranilroy wrote:^^^^ Ah I see the IFR, finally
Most excellent. Does it make IAF's only aircraft that can be refueled as well as refuel other aircraft?

The Su 30s and perhaps the Mirage 2000 can do that.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 23 Sep 2010 07:23

IAF wants radars for hilly terrain - The Times of India

IAF now wants a major induction of long-range surveillance radars (LRSRs) and high-power radars (HPRs) to bolster air defence coverage in ''hilly terrain'' in the hinterland as well as along the borders with China and Pakistan.

This comes after IAF has already inked contracts for 19 LLTRs (low-level transportable radars), four MPRs (medium-power radars) and 30 indigenous medium-range Rohini radars, among others.

Apart from lightweight mountain radars for high altitude areas, plans are also afoot to procure nine more Aerostat radars to add to the two EL/M-2083 Israeli Aerostats inducted earlier as well as two additional Awacs (airborne warning and control systems) to supplement the first three Israeli Phalcon Awacs bought under a $1.1-billion deal.

Read more: IAF wants radars for hilly terrain - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... z10Jc9bD1G

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 23 Sep 2010 11:35

BRS Aerospace, HAL win Indian #airforce airframe parachute deal .. http://is.gd/foi7g #hal #brsaerospace #defense

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 23 Sep 2010 14:30

UPDATE:
Confirmation received -- delivery of the first IAF C-130 scheduled for December 2010.

Indian C-130 Super Hercules Makes First Flight in October; Delivery Scheduled for December 2010

prabhug · Post by **prabhug** » 23 Sep 2010 14:49

Hi
Can somebody give us some light on the AFNET advantage on India's air defense and surveillance ? I assume there would be a huge leap in our capabilities.I felt when this is integrated with Akash batteries , we would have a decent mobile air defense.And at last one doubt, Can this avoid the battery level surveillance radars in Akash.

Cheers

Prabhu.G

Riza Zaman · Post by **Riza Zaman** » 24 Sep 2010 00:28

WWII Indian flying ace Squadron Leader Pujji, 92, dies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-11392381

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 25 Sep 2010 00:08

Was this reported elsewhere ?

article link

A MiG-27 Flogger ground attack aircraft of the Indian Air Force (IAF) has crashed in the country's east, the third crash of a plane of this type in India this year, a spokesman for the Indian Army Eastern Command said.

The crash took place at 08:25 am local time (02:25 GMT) some 40 kilometers (25 miles) east of the Kalaikunda air base in West Bengal state.

"The pilot managed to eject and is unharmed. The crash did not cause casualties or destruction on the ground," Mahesh Upasani said, adding that investigation into the crash was under way.

An MiG-27 aircraft crashed in West Bengal in February near the Hashimara military base, killing the pilot and causing all MiG-27 flights to be suspended for a short period of time.

Another MiG-27 plane crashed into a village in the region in July during a routine training flight, killing a local resident and injuring 10 others.

The MiG-27 aircraft was originally built in the former Soviet Union in the mid-1970s before it was licensed to be produced in India.

India has about 150 MiG-27 planes, known as the Bahadhur (Brave) in the IAF.

According to the military, a current upgrade program will keep the MiG-27 operational for another 10 years.

NEW DELHI, September 24 (RIA Novosti)

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 25 Sep 2010 05:51

Kartik, it was reported in the Military Safety thread, but good to have it here too.

Look Ma! We fished out a MiG pilot

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As he dropped on the bed of the chest-deep river, Mahapatra got entangled in his parachute and his feet got stuck in the soft, wet sand. He swayed about like a trussed-up prisoner, only the top of his body visible above the water and only his arm free to move about.

“He stood in the water and waved at us,” Subhas said. “I realised he was beckoning us to help him.”

The brothers climbed into their country boat and rowed furiously. “It took us 15 minutes to reach him. He told us in Hindi that he could not move,” Subhas said.

Both brothers got down into the water and unclasped the parachute on Mahapatra’s instructions. “He told us he could not stand any longer. We pulled him into the boat and made him lie down, using the parachute as a cushion,” Ashok said.
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“We are very proud because we rescued a soldier of the country, someone who protects our country. I feel as if we have done a service to the nation,” Ashok said.
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