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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Jagan » 10 Oct 2009 21:33

srai wrote:[

Good catch!

So it looks like BR IAF Aircraft Fleet Strength page still has 3 more squadrons listed than what is being reported in the news recently. I would assume 3 of the MiG-21 M/MF/Bis squadrons have been number plated. This is a question for BR IAF Webmaster Jagan to investigate ;)


Good doubts all over.

There might be some different interpretations. for example does the IAF count TACDE as part of its squadron strength? or MOFTU A or B? or OCU (Which is probably numberplated BTW) .

HOTS (with 24 Hawks) I believe will finally be about two Squadrons worth - HOTS A and HOTS B. Will those count in crunch?

The Bison Squadrons number is not correct. 35 'A' is not Bison, but M as Phil Camp had mentioned in the recent article. Will correct that soon


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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby jamwal » 10 Oct 2009 22:57

Aditya G wrote:
I hope this changes with induction of IL-78MKI and IL-78EhI



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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Rahul M » 10 Oct 2009 23:26

Jagan wrote:..........

jagan, are the IAF hawks combat capable ? with what ?
we don't use the sidewinder/ASRAAM. other WVR missiles have to be mated in that case.
else it will simply have dumb bombs and a gun.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby D Roy » 11 Oct 2009 00:34

The IL-76MF with a longer body and the PS-90A engines can do 60 tons. Also quieter and there is a FADEC version available as well.

I think the IAF may look very closely at short field capability.

one of the reasons for the popularity of the C-17 program is the great many more dromes that can take this bird as compared to the Galaxy.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Jagan » 11 Oct 2009 00:52

Hawks should be able to do rocket pods and bombs. rocket pods being the preferred weapon of choice for close air support. Gun pod might work as well.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby chetak » 11 Oct 2009 00:56

Jagan wrote:Hawks should be able to do rocket pods and pods. rocket pods being the preferred weapon of choice for close air support. Gun pod might work as well.



Wiki Says

Advanced trainer, ground attack and light fighter

Guns Option of one 30 mm ADEN cannon in centreline gun pod
Bombs Up to 6,800 lb (3,085 kg) of weapons on five hardpoints; T.1 normally 1,500 lb (680 kg) on centreline and two wing pylons
Missiles Option of two AIM-9 Sidewinder or ASRAAM on wing pylons
Rockets CRV-7

May be able to adapt one or more of our inventory of missiles.

They lack comprehensive EW protection so they will need baby sitting.

More than likely that they would end up as cannon fodder in a combat scenario playing with the big boys :)

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby D Roy » 11 Oct 2009 01:02

BTW which was used for COIN in Indonesia, 53 or 109?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby chetak » 11 Oct 2009 01:09

Some more info on what can be done with the Hawk if one had the moolah :)

The Hawk 200 is a single seat, lightweight multirole combat fighter with emphasis on air defence, air superiority, anti-shipping, air-denial, long range interdiction, short range close air support, strike with smart weapons and a lead-in trainer for aircraft such as the Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15, F-16, Tornado, and Gripen to name a few. The aircraft is fitted with an advance version of the F-16A APG-66 radar with multimode systems. The aircraft is able to be equipped with the AIM-9 Sidewinder, though, if upgraded, it can be equipped with the AIM-120 AMRAAM and the helmet-mounted cueing system for missiles.

The Malaysian aircraft has the most extensive modification to the aircraft with illumination "slime" lights, wingtip AAMs and inflight refuelling. Its aircraft have been involved in major long-range deployments to areas such as Sabah and the Spratly Islands. Indonesia, Malaysia and Oman have ordered 62 aircraft.

The IAF has the HAWK 132, the Malaysian's will have the Hawk 208

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Rahul M » 11 Oct 2009 01:20

the full attack version of the hawk is a poor man's combat aircraft. it makes sense for smaller AF, not so much for the IAF which would rarely if ever need to use it in combat. btw, I think the nigerian AF also uses a combat version.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby D Roy » 11 Oct 2009 02:04

I concur.

Subsonic. limited load out. not much scope for a lot of fancy avionics. sensors constrained by engine power.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby kishan » 11 Oct 2009 04:18

With some modifications why cannot IAF use Hawks for close air support just like A 10's being employed by USAF?i know these two birds are different but is it really worth trying so?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby D Roy » 11 Oct 2009 10:34

See I guess the key standout feature of the A-10 is that gatling gun in the nose.

However modifying the HAwk for that is probably not doable at all.

So the HAWK would have to be happy with wing based rockets etc.
Plus the sensor capability issue of course.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby shiv » 11 Oct 2009 12:46

D Roy wrote:See I guess the key standout feature of the A-10 is that gatling gun in the nose..


Also armor protection and engines/engine intakes above wings to reduce chances of foreign object ingestion at low levels with flying debris from explosions and the like.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Bala Vignesh » 11 Oct 2009 13:51

I guess the hawk will have basic protection against MANPADS ( i am assuming that we are using them only for CAS within the area sanitized for aerial threats )... And since its very tough to post other vehicle mounted or fixed long-range SAM's there, the Hawk can be used there in CAS or COIN roles... The issue comes when they have to engage targets which are protected by advanced SAM's... But otherwise they should be highly effective.. Hell they can be even used in point defense of our airfields or some vital sites..

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Singha » 11 Oct 2009 16:00

CAS/BAI - problem is training sqdn Hawks need to be in that role 24x7 and CAS/BAI need someone else to own them 24x7 and train daily for it. One just cannot fly them out of bidar and hand them to student pilots for wartime missions.

its only possible if we have N sqdn of Hawk dedicated to CAS/BAI, but identical machines M >> N in training sqdns who can top up numbers (if we have extra pilots ) and act as attrition reserve

thats not happening. MRCA / Tejas / M2kupg / Jag >> Hawk

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sanjaychoudhry » 11 Oct 2009 20:38

India set to discuss overhaul of Su-30 fighter jets with Russia

NEW DELHI, October 9 (RIA Novosti) - India will discuss the modernization of the Russian-made Su-30MKI aircraft in service with its air force during an upcoming military-technical cooperation meeting in Moscow, the country's Defense Ministry said on Friday.

The Indian Air Force currently has 105 Su-30MKIs mainly deployed at airbases close to the Chinese border.

"The aircraft, contracted in 1996, are due for overhaul shortly and Russia has offered an upgrade of the aircraft with incorporation of the latest technologies during the major overhaul," the ministry said in a statement.

The IAF originally ordered 50 Su-30MKI aircraft from Russia in 1996 and an additional 40 planes in 2007. India's Hindustani Aeronautics (HAL) was also contracted to build 140 aircraft in India between 2003 and 2017 under a licensed production agreement.

India previously said it was satisfied with the performance of Russian Su-30MKI fighters and has recently expressed interest in buying another 50 Su-30MKIs.

The 9th meeting of the Russia-India Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation will be held on October 14-15 in Moscow and will be chaired by Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov and his Indian counterpart A. K. Antony.

The main focus of discussions during the meeting will be the extension of the existing bilateral agreement on military-technical cooperation for another 10 years, from 2011 to 2020.

Russian-Indian intergovernmental commission sessions are held annually and alternate between New Delhi and Moscow.

The current cooperation program until 2010 comprises about 200 joint projects, including the modernization of the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier (formerly the Admiral Gorshkov) for the Indian navy, the transfer of technology for the licensed assembly of T-90 tanks in India, the production of BrahMos missiles and the purchase of Smerch MLRS by India.


http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20091010/156415109.html

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Bala Vignesh » 11 Oct 2009 20:40

Hey guys... just found this in Wikipedia... That IAF is using An-26.. I've never heard such a thing.. Can someone who is registered in Wiki edit it accordingly..

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby chetak » 11 Oct 2009 21:49

Singha wrote:CAS/BAI - problem is training sqdn Hawks need to be in that role 24x7 and CAS/BAI need someone else to own them 24x7 and train daily for it. One just cannot fly them out of bidar and hand them to student pilots for wartime missions.

its only possible if we have N sqdn of Hawk dedicated to CAS/BAI, but identical machines M >> N in training sqdns who can top up numbers (if we have extra pilots ) and act as attrition reserve

thats not happening. MRCA / Tejas / M2kupg / Jag >> Hawk


Singhaji

I would imagine that war time missions would be flown by experienced Hawk instructors in single pilot configuration onlee to maximize weapons load.

You can virtually fly the airplane out of Bidar and put them on the front provided they can be properly supported in the intended role and have all the bells and whistles in place.

Should push come to shove, Hawk instructors are all experienced squadron pilots, most with much weapons training behind them.
A few may have a transport or other background.

Where is the need to have separate Hawk squadrons and deplete scarce training resources. :)

A few range sorties would quickly help these pilots to get their hand and eye in, if at all required.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Aditya G » 11 Oct 2009 22:51

Seems like SKAT is a designated squadron:

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/200 ... -rest.html

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The SKAT, which is also an operational fighter squadron (number 52), is a nine-aircraft formation

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Whatever happened to the No. 52 Sqn Sharks?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Jagan » 11 Oct 2009 22:53

Aditya G wrote:Seems like SKAT is a designated squadron:

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/200 ... -rest.html

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The SKAT, which is also an operational fighter squadron (number 52), is a nine-aircraft formation

...


Whatever happened to the No. 52 Sqn Sharks?


They were numberplated. then the IAF decided to give the number to the suryakirans. having an official Squadron designation enabled the team to get its quota of authorised equipment and resources and administrative powers, rather than having to depend on AFS Bidar all the time.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sunny y » 12 Oct 2009 00:50

Hi...Does anybody have any idea about what's going on with NAL saras ??
Last time I heard there were some issues with weight. Have they been resolved ???
According to Wiki production is now expected from 2010 but no new news is coming out of Bangalore.

And Did anybody see that news about DRDO scientist today ?? That was mentioned in today's Hindustan Times too. I didn't know where to put this thing so apologies if it's wrong.

The news was something like two senior scientists of DRDO tried to sacrifice a junior scientist. I forgot their names. They invited him yesterday night in DRDO campus & then they tried to perform some black magic. He had bruises all over his arms.

My god What is really going on ?? I mean we make a hue & cry over some tantrik baba doing such kind of things but here we have scientists, extremely well educated, from good families experimenting on their own collegues....That's really scary. :eek:

May god put some senses in them.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Gagan » 13 Oct 2009 00:44


Would these be the Maritime strike ones (IM) or the regular deep penetration strike ones (IS).

Added later:
No. 27 Squadron 'Flaming Arrows', IAF Gorakhpur ( Jaguar IS, IB )
What is the IB mentioned in wiki? is it a typo? I think they wanted to write IT for trainer.

Added still later:
Edited the wiki page to show IB instead of IT. Talk about wag the dog. Heh heh! :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Rahul M » 13 Oct 2009 00:54

2 seat version in IAF service is jaguar IB.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby shyamd » 14 Oct 2009 16:29

x Post Official press release

Indo-Oman Air Exercise -- Eastern Bridge to Foster Defence Cooperation Ties
15:10 IST
Indian Air Force (IAF) and Royal Air Force of Oman (RAFO) will conduct a week-long bilateral Air Force exercise codenamed - Eastern Bridge - at the RAFO Base, Thumrait, Oman, from Oct 22-29. This will be the first-ever air exercise between the two countries.

Six, single-seat, Darin-I Jaguars from the Indian side will participate alongside RAFO Jaguars and F-16s. Incidentally, the two Air Forces are among the only ones that continue to operate the twin-engine Jaguar aircraft till date.

The IAF will also involve two IL-78 MKI air-to-air refueler aircraft for tanking the Jaguars enroute to Oman. Meanwhile, an IL-76 will airlift the IAF air warriors to Oman.

The main IAF contingent comprises 33 officers and 65 personnel below officer rank (PBOR). The support team of IL-76 and IL-78 MKI additionally comprises 12 officers and 26 PBOR.

Group Captain V Dedgaonkar is the team leader, while Group Captain K Kale is the Exercise Director for the IAF. The Jaguar Detachment will be led by Wing Commander A Mathur. The pilots belong to the two Jaguar squadrons - 16 (Cobras) and 27 (Flaming Arrows) that are based at IAF’s Gorakhpur airbase under Central Air Command.

A senior Air HQ observer along with one staff officer will also visit the IAF contingent during the period of the exercise.

The exercise in the Gulf region will enhance understanding of operational, maintenance and administrative procedures between RAFO and the IAF. The bilateral exercise would also be cost-effective in terms of benefit realization of operational and tactical preparedness over an unknown mixed terrain of land and desert.

Oman features among IAF’s priority-one country listed for defence cooperation. IAF-RAFO defence cooperation was initiated in 2006, and has increased substantially in the current year. The defence cooperation is characterized by high-level visit exchanges, training and bilateral exercises between the two air forces.

Oman has also been availing courses in India on a self-financing basis. Oman has also been providing turn-around facilities to our transiting military aircraft. Several rounds of Air Force Staff Talks with RAFO have now provided the necessary framework to expand defence cooperation with RAFO and rest of the GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) countries. Oman is geographically India’s closest neighbor among the Arab countries in the strategically vital Persian Gulf region. The presence of over 3, 50,000 expatriate Indians and centuries of people-to-.people contact further enhances its importance in India’s security mosaic.


Incidentally, the GCC armed forces meet took place today at Muscat. Oman is the current head of the GCC, so the next year will be important for Bilateral relations along with the GCC.

Added Later:

IAF Preparing to Join Anti-Piracy Operations in Gulf
The IAF is gearing up to join future anti-piracy operations in Gulf of Aden and is holding the first-ever exercise with Omanese Air Force this month to get experience in operating fighter aircraft there.

"The IAF may be called upon to conduct aerial surveillance of the swathe of the Gulf of Aden region, where pirates are widening their area of operations fast," IAF vice chief Air Marshal P K Barbora told reporters

Joining the anti-piracy operations would not mean the IAF would unleash an offensive against the sea brigands, but would carry out surveillance of the vast area that the Navy would be unable to cover due to "speed and manpower" constraints, Barbora said.

"With our (IAF) surveillance capability, we can help the comity of nations fighting the piracy menace there. Navy may not be able to cover the area in terms of speed and number of men. It is not necessary that we use our fire power," he said.

Assuring that the fighter aircraft could perform surveillance role too, the IAF vice chief said with the midair refuelling capability, the fighters' endurance levels to fly for longer hours and patrolling the area increased substantially.

The 'Eastern Bridge' air exercise with Royal Air Force of Oman (RAFO) from October 22 to 29 would focus on achieving jointness and enhancing understanding of operational, maintenance and administrative procedures between the two air forces, he said.

Both India and Oman are the only countries that continue to operate Jaguar air-ground strike fighter fleets and they would bring these jets to the exercise to be held at Thumrait RAFO air base.

Six single-seat twin-engine Darin-I Jaguars of the IAF from 16 Cobras and 27 Flaming Arrows squadrons, based in Gorakhpur in Uttar Pradesh, would participate alongside the RAFO Jaguars and F-16s.

The IAF would also take two IL-78 mid-air re-fueller for tanking the Jaguars to and fro from Oman and an IL-76 heavy lift aircraft for carrying the 45 officers and 91 airmen there.

"The bilateral air exercise would be cost-effective in terms of benefit realisation of operational and tactical preparedness over an unknown mixed terrain of land and desert," Barbora said.

Asked if Oman could support IAF's anti-piracy operations by providing "operational turning around" facility by opening up its airbase for maintenance and fuel, the IAF vice chief replied in the affirmative, saying since the two air forces operated Jaguars, it was possible.

However, to another question, he said there was no proposal to have a permanent base there, though RAFO personnel were being trained at the IAF facilities here in India.


The terrain of Oman is very similar to what you will find in Balochistan/Afghanistan.

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"The exercise will enhance the understanding of operational, maintenance and administrative procedures between the RAFO and the IAF. The bilateral exercise would also be cost-effective in terms of benefit realization of operational and tactical preparedness over an unknown mixed terrain of land and desert," the IAF vice chief, Air Marshal P.K. Barbora, told reporters.


"It would expose our fighter pilots to low flying over unfamiliar terrain," he added.


Asked if through the exercise, the IAF was preparing for anti-piracy operations in support of the Indian Navy, which has deployed its warships in the Gulf of Aden, Barbora said: "We do not know whether we would be called for such operations. But it's better to be prepared."


"In case of a requirement, we can send our fighters for patrolling and surveillance. We can also help our navy in terms of speed and manoeuverability. Such joint exercises would help manifold to come to each other's aid in a short time," he added.


Both air forces will undertake air-to-ground missions, conduct live firing from air to ground and practice integrated training and operations in desert terrain during the joint exercise, for which the IAF would field six single-seater Jaguar fighter bombers while the RAFO would also deploy Jaguars, as also F-16s.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Austin » 14 Oct 2009 18:14

It seems the Russians are offering the Ka-226T Light Utility Chopper for the Indian LOH competition , it seems its mostly made of composites

KA-226T Video

This one is better

Demo of Ka-226T

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby SaiK » 14 Oct 2009 18:27

'couldn't understand different light versions of our own helos be made by HAL for LOH etc. why imports? only the production engineering issue? then privitize the production.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby shyamd » 14 Oct 2009 18:47

Dassault is asking Yindu's to buy 63 Mirage 2k's from the UAE AF. UAE AF will get Rafale's according to this weeks IOL.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Shameek » 14 Oct 2009 20:23

Livefist Link

Jaguars leaving for Oman. Good pics.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Oct 2009 20:44

Austin wrote:It seems the Russians are offering the Ka-226T Light Utility Chopper for the Indian LOH competition , it seems its mostly made of composites

KA-226T Video

This one is better

Demo of Ka-226T


It looks a bit funny to me.. The first time i am seeing a twin boom design in a helicopter... but it sure seems adaptable to a whole range of roles... would prefer this bird if the LOH based on the Dhruv is not available...
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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Oct 2009 20:48

shyamd wrote:Dassault is asking Yindu's to buy 63 Mirage 2k's from the UAE AF. UAE AF will get Rafale's according to this weeks IOL.


Personally i'd say we buy them if the price is right... i mean they could help with the dwindling numbers of our combat fleet.. i mean they would mostly be flyable when we receive it, right.. and sure would help us in our posturing against china... JMHO...

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Oct 2009 21:10

Hey could someone identify the patch on the second and fourth pilots from the left in the following Photo in Livefist.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby suryag » 14 Oct 2009 21:46

The second guy from the left looks like younger version of Madhavan

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Shameek » 14 Oct 2009 21:49

Bala Vignesh wrote:Hey could someone identify the patch on the second and fourth pilots from the left in the following


It's the Jaguar Type patch. It can be found here.

IAF PAtches

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby shiv » 14 Oct 2009 21:49

Bala Vignesh wrote:
Austin wrote:It seems the Russians are offering the Ka-226T Light Utility Chopper for the Indian LOH competition , it seems its mostly made of composites

KA-226T Video

This one is better

Demo of Ka-226T


It looks a bit funny to me.. The first time i am seeing a twin boom design in a helicopter... but it sure seems adaptable to a whole range of roles... would prefer this bird if the LOH based on the Dhruv is not available...


That's not a twin boom. It's just a single tailplane with twin vertical tail surfaces. Pretty standard for many Kamovs

Ouch - that is a bad landing at 1.08 in the first video

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Kartik » 14 Oct 2009 22:06

shyamd wrote:Dassault is asking Yindu's to buy 63 Mirage 2k's from the UAE AF. UAE AF will get Rafale's according to this weeks IOL.


IOL ? could you post the article or give the excerpt or blurb where the IAF being offered the 63 Mirages is mentioned ?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Oct 2009 22:32

shiv wrote:That's not a twin boom. It's just a single tailplane with twin vertical tail surfaces. Pretty standard for many Kamovs


Shiv saab... isn't the boom the tubular structure that between the tail surfaces and cabin pod... if that is so the ka 226 has twin booms unlike the Ka 31 or for that matter the rest of the series..

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Aditya G » 14 Oct 2009 23:06

A good option. But I recall we have already evaluated these aircraft earlier and found them to be too expensive. PAF then tried to acquire the same and was apparently very close to a deal.

shyamd wrote:Dassault is asking Yindu's to buy 63 Mirage 2k's from the UAE AF. UAE AF will get Rafale's according to this weeks IOL.


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