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That is the Viraat when it was undergoing its refits earlier this year. It is surprising that the Viraat does not have a Sonar mounted up front. That means that the Helos have to do this job or it would have dunking sonars or a towed sonar, if at all.
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http://www.ptinews.com/news/342675_Navy ... -next-yearNavy to get dedicated communication satellite
Navy will get a dedicated satellite for making its communication robust and secure and to also propel its network-centric operations and connectivity at sea, Defence Minister A K Antony said today.
"The Navy's efforts towards network centric operations and leveraging information technology are laudable.
The launch of the Naval Communication Satellite next year will significantly improve connectivity at sea," Antony said, inaugurating the the Navy Senior Officers Conference here.
The satellite, being built by ISRO, would be on a geo-stationary orbit and would provide an overview of about 600 to 1,000 nautical miles of the Indian Ocean Region (IOR), which India considers to be its primary area of responsibility in terms of maritime security.
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although people already know about this but here are some specifications-
same seeker likely to be used on VL shtil and SAM used on shivalik class
http://www.ausairpower.net/9M317E-Buk-M ... osi-1S.jpgAgat Moscow Research Inst, a section of the Almaz Antey Air Defence Concern, unveiled the 9E420 semiactive radar seeker for the 9M317 SAM system at the mid-8/05 MAKS 2005 Int'l Aviation & Space Salon in Zhukovsky, near Moscow.
The 9E420, measuring 310mm in diameter and having a 32-kg weight without its radome, can be ready for use 14 secs after the power is activated. An inertial mid-course guidance mode can operate for up to 30 secs, with an optional extension to 60 secs if corrections are datalinked to the missile. Operating in radar mode, the seeker will lock onto and automatically track air targets maneuvering at up to 8 G at altitudes of up to 25,000 m. Ambient operating conditions include air temperatures of +/-50 deg C, and humidity of up to 98% at a temperature of +/-35 deg C.
http://defense-archive.teldan.com/Artic ... sID=398472
same seeker likely to be used on VL shtil and SAM used on shivalik class
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NAVY TO GET A DEDICATED SATELLITE NEXT YEAR
Also interesting that the current/future ISRO BUILT satellite can't get the kind of data that the navy looks for, so then who is going to custom built one for them Unless what he meant to say was that ISRO did not dedicate their current and future satellites to have the kind of communication capability that IN was looking for, hence they wanted ISRO to customize one ONLY for them and built it ONLY for the NAVY
hmmm.. very interesting read. I wonder why the IN would not want a capability to track PLANAVY's SUB.. Maybe it does not have the technical know howsAt present, Navy depends on foreign satellites for providing data. Once the geo-stationary satellite is put in orbit by ISRO, it will provide a secure, independent data link and network-centric operations capability for the Navy.
Under the Defence Ministry plans for space-based military assets, Navy would get its dedicated communication satellite first, followed by the Air Force and the Army.
"US Navy, in fact, has capabilities to track underwater targets too using its satellites. We are not looking at that kind of a capability at present. We only want a secure communication network, as it is easy to intercept high frequency radio communications which Naval ships like to avoid," the Navy officer said.
On the need for a dedicated communication satellite, the officer said the Navy was not getting data of the kind the ISRO-built satellite would provide in the future.
"At present, we have to depend on polar satellite from foreign sources. That presents it own kind of problems of dependability. Hence, we need a satellite of our own," the officer added.
Also interesting that the current/future ISRO BUILT satellite can't get the kind of data that the navy looks for, so then who is going to custom built one for them Unless what he meant to say was that ISRO did not dedicate their current and future satellites to have the kind of communication capability that IN was looking for, hence they wanted ISRO to customize one ONLY for them and built it ONLY for the NAVY
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Boss,Craig Alpert wrote:NAVY TO GET A DEDICATED SATELLITE NEXT YEARAlso interesting that the current/future ISRO BUILT satellite can't get the kind of data that the navy looks for, so then who is going to custom built one for them Unless what he meant to say was that ISRO did not dedicate their current and future satellites to have the kind of communication capability that IN was looking for, hence they wanted ISRO to customize one ONLY for them and built it ONLY for the NAVYOn the need for a dedicated communication satellite, the officer said the Navy was not getting data of the kind the ISRO-built satellite would provide in the future.
I think you are reading it wrong. What it says is that at present the Indian Navy is not getting the kind of data that Isro-built satellite would provide in future.
Just check out the next para:
As regards the first point of tracking enemy ships, I think the operating pharse is at present. That could mean a range of things like the recent statement about Agni5 (paraphrasing..) "At present we don't need a missile more than 5,000 km range..." (As far as I recall this was a statement made by Saraswat)"At present, we have to depend on polar satellite from foreign sources...
Remember we are SDRE folks who hide in narrow and dark places and we don't want to antagonize TFTA gora, near-goras and honorary goras.
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Hello! Apologies if this issue has been discussed before.
For the new aircraft carriers that are planned to be built in India, what are the power plant that are going to power these mega ships. Is it going to be nuclear or diesel generators?
With INS Arihant, IN has demonstrated miniaturization of 80MW PWR reactor. A 2x80MW reactors for one ship will be more than sufficient (given ~180MW is what is used in Nimitz class ships). Considering the fact that IN carriers will be slightly smaller in size to Nimitz class.
There are many advantages to have a nuclear plant. Isnt this planned by Navy or are there some other political and strategic issues to it. I am guessing the 'not possible' reason - lack of fuel rods?
Any ideas?
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For the new aircraft carriers that are planned to be built in India, what are the power plant that are going to power these mega ships. Is it going to be nuclear or diesel generators?
With INS Arihant, IN has demonstrated miniaturization of 80MW PWR reactor. A 2x80MW reactors for one ship will be more than sufficient (given ~180MW is what is used in Nimitz class ships). Considering the fact that IN carriers will be slightly smaller in size to Nimitz class.
There are many advantages to have a nuclear plant. Isnt this planned by Navy or are there some other political and strategic issues to it. I am guessing the 'not possible' reason - lack of fuel rods?
Any ideas?
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Navy to get its own eye in the sky by '10
Rajat Pandit, TNN 23 October 2009, 04:24am IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 151187.cms
Rajat Pandit, TNN 23 October 2009, 04:24am IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 151187.cms
Communication and Earth observation satellite??The over-the-sea satellite will help in communications, imaging and mapping,"
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That is only a proposal from BARC. So far nothing emerged concrete so far in the news media.speriakp wrote:Hello! Apologies if this issue has been discussed before.
For the new aircraft carriers that are planned to be built in India, what are the power plant that are going to power these mega ships. Is it going to be nuclear or diesel generators?
With INS Arihant, IN has demonstrated miniaturization of 80MW PWR reactor. A 2x80MW reactors for one ship will be more than sufficient (given ~180MW is what is used in Nimitz class ships). Considering the fact that IN carriers will be slightly smaller in size to Nimitz class.
There are many advantages to have a nuclear plant. Isnt this planned by Navy or are there some other political and strategic issues to it. I am guessing the 'not possible' reason - lack of fuel rods?
Any ideas?
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Its a DDM strike as usual. The cartosat/TES and RISAT series will be the earth observation sats.dinesha wrote:Navy to get its own eye in the sky by '10
Rajat Pandit, TNN 23 October 2009, 04:24am IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 151187.cms
Communication and Earth observation satellite??The over-the-sea satellite will help in communications, imaging and mapping,"
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The Pioneer
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One problem to have a nuclear powered Aircraft Carrier may be fuel and also cost. I do not know it the cost may be same. We are not planning to send our ADS to rule 7 seas. Nimitz is a lot bigger and 2 Arihant nuclear reactors may be sufficient. Any one with any other ideas on the subject.
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Interesting, the Pioneer article mentions another Russian N-sub being considered..
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This is an old piece of news. If reading between lines allowed of what this "official" said (to larger extent), then why would IN place its personel to study nuclear propulsion.....Narayana Rao wrote:One problem to have a nuclear powered Aircraft Carrier may be fuel and also cost. I do not know it the cost may be same. We are not planning to send our ADS to rule 7 seas. Nimitz is a lot bigger and 2 Arihant nuclear reactors may be sufficient. Any one with any other ideas on the subject.
"The nuclear powered Charles de Gaulle would be good exposure for the Indian naval officials as there are many issues, like nuclear propulsion, involved in operating a large aircraft carrier at sea,” the official added."
Read more: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/unc ... z0Umaox7Sn
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/unc ... 88477.html
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Austin. Comment/s?sum wrote:Interesting, the Pioneer article mentions another Russian N-sub being considered..
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There was talk of a rotating lease of upto 4 N subs. Two will always be in service with the IN.
Austin was who broke this piece of news IIRC.
Austin was who broke this piece of news IIRC.
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NRao , the news for 2nd Akula lease keeps popping from time to time , considering we have yet to see the Nerpa/INS Chakra with IN flags and IN has yet to operate , familiarize and operationalise the Akula-2 in its fleet. It would be some time that the 2nd would enter service.NRao wrote:Austin. Comment/s?sum wrote:Interesting, the Pioneer article mentions another Russian N-sub being considered..
As I have mentioned they do have Akula-1/Improved Akula type in reserve , they could refurbish , modernise these SSN to Akula-2 standards and lease it to IN.
The old INS Chakra was a old Charlie 1 and after many year ( almost EOL ) service in Soviet Navy it was refurbished , modernised and leased to IN , something similar could be possible for 2nd Akula.
That was info from panwala , so take it FWIW , I am dying to see the INS Chakra with IN Flag , Akula-2 schema from wiki linkThere was talk of a rotating lease of upto 4 N subs. Two will always be in service with the IN. Austin was who broke this piece of news IIRC.
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No.tsarkar wrote:Ajai’s pictures are that of what used to be called as the engine room, that has now evolved to Machinery Control Room..........His reporting focused on the IPMS, that’s a first for IN onboard Shivalik. He probably misunderstood the “control” to “command & control”........The inclined consoles are IPMS consoles. The LCD screens display navigational data. The engineers need to know where the ship is headed. Earlier bridge used to communicate engine room via telephone, these days the LCD screens do the needful............
I would humbly request you to post ACTUAL pics of ops room and engine room of actual IN ships. Anyone can post shiny brochures. Given your putative "Vast Knowledge" of the Indian Navy, one would assume you have TONS of such pics lying around you were too busy posting shiny brochures before today to realize their importance to us mere mortals.
I know it would be rude of me to point out the inconvenient fact that if you had bothered to READ his blog you would have read the bit where he talked about being given a tour by Cpt. Sunder....and he has a WHOLE SECTION called The Shivalik in battle: a lethal video-game...I am sure he cooked all that up since he obviously cannot comprehend complex technical issues and often confuses them
So I eagerly await dazzling pics of actual IN Ops Room from you. I am assuming it would effortless for you.
PS: I really liked what you said about LCD screens. This is really the new and improved BRF.
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GJ, ts sahab is an ex-"paanwala" himself, perhaps he knows what he is talking about ?
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I sure hope he proves me wrong.......I am here to learn...if he tells me that 42in LCD screens are for Navigation Data then I guess that EXACTLY what they are for.Rahul M wrote:GJ, ts sahab is an ex-"paanwala" himself, perhaps he knows what he is talking about ?
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my prediction - tsarkar saar has knowledge of ships & IN >> resident crow soup chef. years of
chewing paan in the shop methinks.
*deploys asw decoys and sprints out of scene*
chewing paan in the shop methinks.
*deploys asw decoys and sprints out of scene*
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Just the usual psychops to get more info with ops room pics
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Austin:
It's not a game of who knows more. Just because you are/were in the Navy does not make you lord and master of all things IN. I know crazy mallus who know a lot about Navy Payroll and Catering than about any ship. And I also know IN officers who have openly told me that some portions of BR Naval page is incorrect, but they since there is no open source info to correct it, why bother. It's ironic that they work with the correct system and BR Navy talks about something that does not exist, but then I would trust him with that info I really don't think he is qualified to talk about Navy payroll or its latest catering achievements. For that I will trust my crazy mallu ungles.
But when someone confidently tells you that two perpendicularly placed flat panels are for "Navigation Data" in the "engine room" when you have been told otherwise....you just start wondering....systems or..........catering.
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We need a Mil Nukkad, I have some IAF stories about "system" vs "Catering".
It's not a game of who knows more. Just because you are/were in the Navy does not make you lord and master of all things IN. I know crazy mallus who know a lot about Navy Payroll and Catering than about any ship. And I also know IN officers who have openly told me that some portions of BR Naval page is incorrect, but they since there is no open source info to correct it, why bother. It's ironic that they work with the correct system and BR Navy talks about something that does not exist, but then I would trust him with that info I really don't think he is qualified to talk about Navy payroll or its latest catering achievements. For that I will trust my crazy mallu ungles.
But when someone confidently tells you that two perpendicularly placed flat panels are for "Navigation Data" in the "engine room" when you have been told otherwise....you just start wondering....systems or..........catering.
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We need a Mil Nukkad, I have some IAF stories about "system" vs "Catering".
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pah, why do you think we have a military misc. thread ?Edit:
We need a Mil Nukkad, I have some IAF stories about "system" vs "Catering".
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someone please edit the arihant page on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arihant
it says :
which is level stuff, not least due to the incorrect spelling.The name of the vessel, Arihant (Sanskrit for "destroyer of enemies" — from ari, "enemy", and hantṛ, "killer" or "destroyer"), is named after the Jain Tirthankars who was refferd to as Arihant.
arihant is a sanskrit word and has nothing to do with the jain tirthankars in this case.
why would someone name a nuclear submarine after peaceful ascetics ??
the person who wrote it is completely off his rocker.
p.s. yes, I do know some jain monks protested the naming but that DOES NOT mean that the sub is named after the tirthankars (which would be a completely ridiculous thing to do).
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Done! When I actually started the INS Arihant article, I had put the correct translation. There was so much fighting on multiple issues regarding the article that it had to be locked for a month or so.Rahul M wrote: someone please edit the arihant page on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arihant
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Well Arihant is not the name of any Tirthankara, Arihant means the one who is a supremely liberated being defeating his inner enemies kaam, krodh, lobh etc.
It is from Namokar Mantra of Jainas, which is in the most ancient language called Prakrat(meaning natural) from which Sanskrit (meaning refined) came.
It is from Namokar Mantra of Jainas, which is in the most ancient language called Prakrat(meaning natural) from which Sanskrit (meaning refined) came.
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krish, thanks !
manish, wrong thread. and I think that order is incorrect.
manish, wrong thread. and I think that order is incorrect.
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^^ Sorry !!
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Thorough update un Vikrams current state. Looks better than I expected
http://pilot.strizhi.info/2009/10/25/6854#more-6854
http://pilot.strizhi.info/2009/10/25/6854#more-6854
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George,
I didn’t spend my career taking pictures, only during interesting occasions. A gizmo to me is just a means to an end, and not the ends itself, hence if we ever took pictures, it was of people, occasions & not gizmos. And being an ex-servicemen doesn’t mean unlimited liberties to click to heart’s content.
Since you’ve asked, I had posted the first Revathi on trials at sea pictures & videos that I had taken after taking due permissions. Because it was the first major fully Indian radar. And Type 16A EW systems because it was the first Indian ship with full spectrum EW suite. It was a turning point, hence I had taken those pictures. I had mailed them to Jagan, Rakesh and Maz who have posted them somewhere in BR. You wont find similar pictures elsewhere because a journalist wont have the inkling of what to photograph.
My statements are usually backed up by verifiable facts and I provide links and explanations that others can cross check.
I haven’t been onboard Shivalik, but the last time (Jan 2009) I was on a similar ship, the engine room, with a lesser degree of automation (since it was a generation older), had a similar LCD screen in a similar position that showed course, heading, position of own ship(s) and other blips. The data was alternated with other systems data (like engines, DG sets, etc).
The reason this information is shown in the engine room is to inform engineers in advance. A simple example - if the screen shows the ship is approaching littoral waters that are shallow and cluttered with fishing boats, the engineers know they'll shortly get the order to slow down from the captain. So the engineers can pace themselves because of better situational awarness.
You’re welcome to prove otherwise, but I stand by what I wrote earlier.
I didn’t spend my career taking pictures, only during interesting occasions. A gizmo to me is just a means to an end, and not the ends itself, hence if we ever took pictures, it was of people, occasions & not gizmos. And being an ex-servicemen doesn’t mean unlimited liberties to click to heart’s content.
Since you’ve asked, I had posted the first Revathi on trials at sea pictures & videos that I had taken after taking due permissions. Because it was the first major fully Indian radar. And Type 16A EW systems because it was the first Indian ship with full spectrum EW suite. It was a turning point, hence I had taken those pictures. I had mailed them to Jagan, Rakesh and Maz who have posted them somewhere in BR. You wont find similar pictures elsewhere because a journalist wont have the inkling of what to photograph.
My statements are usually backed up by verifiable facts and I provide links and explanations that others can cross check.
I haven’t been onboard Shivalik, but the last time (Jan 2009) I was on a similar ship, the engine room, with a lesser degree of automation (since it was a generation older), had a similar LCD screen in a similar position that showed course, heading, position of own ship(s) and other blips. The data was alternated with other systems data (like engines, DG sets, etc).
The reason this information is shown in the engine room is to inform engineers in advance. A simple example - if the screen shows the ship is approaching littoral waters that are shallow and cluttered with fishing boats, the engineers know they'll shortly get the order to slow down from the captain. So the engineers can pace themselves because of better situational awarness.
You’re welcome to prove otherwise, but I stand by what I wrote earlier.
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^^^
Hi...I have a request. Can you please post those photos of Revathi trials here ??
That will be very generous of you.
Thanks
Hi...I have a request. Can you please post those photos of Revathi trials here ??
That will be very generous of you.
Thanks
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http://pilot.strizhi.info/wp-content/up ... 83_sm2.jpgSNaik wrote:Thorough update un Vikrams current state. Looks better than I expected
http://pilot.strizhi.info/2009/10/25/6854#more-6854
That island seems to be morphing into a 5* hotel!!!!
http://pilot.strizhi.info/wp-content/up ... 165_sm.jpg
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Hey guys,
If we go back to when the Indian navy decided to buy the Vikramaditya, what exactly did they think would make it cheaper and easier to get a second hand carrier instead of a new one?
In a technical perspective, is building a carrier easier (cheaper?) on an old model? The way I see it, they're stripping everything down and rebuilding it (except the hull, which was repaired), so does the older model serve only as a scaffold or a framework?
I'm finding it hard to distinguish the process of building a new carrier and the refurbished Gorshkov.
If we go back to when the Indian navy decided to buy the Vikramaditya, what exactly did they think would make it cheaper and easier to get a second hand carrier instead of a new one?
In a technical perspective, is building a carrier easier (cheaper?) on an old model? The way I see it, they're stripping everything down and rebuilding it (except the hull, which was repaired), so does the older model serve only as a scaffold or a framework?
I'm finding it hard to distinguish the process of building a new carrier and the refurbished Gorshkov.
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IN has been operating her lone AC INS Viraat for quite some time now and given the age of her hull she spends a considerable time in naval Dockyard for yearly refit ; IN had expressed its desire to have at least 3 AC in its fleet way back in 1989 itself when plan to construct two small size carriers was proposed , however it is obvious that IN was aware of the kind of timeline associated with designing ,building and commissioning an AC hence the desire to acquire a completely built carrier was expressed (mid 90's ? ) and then decommissioning INS Vikrant in 97 did not help either. Coincidentally RUN had offered AG for sale in 1996 and iirc it was projected as a freebie with customer having to pay only for refit/customization and of course the air wing.
Given the urgent need for an AC and only RU willing to sell a platform of such capability IN had little choice .
I am afraid when it comes to acquiring platforms of strategic significance something usually not up for sale , economics happen to take a back seat and to be fair to IN and the GOI neither party knew before hand about the cost and time escalations of this nature.
I know this sounds so un-jingo like and lame but given the progress of ADS programme we have no choice but to get RU to finish up work on Vikramaditya as soon as possible.
Given the urgent need for an AC and only RU willing to sell a platform of such capability IN had little choice .
I am afraid when it comes to acquiring platforms of strategic significance something usually not up for sale , economics happen to take a back seat and to be fair to IN and the GOI neither party knew before hand about the cost and time escalations of this nature.
I know this sounds so un-jingo like and lame but given the progress of ADS programme we have no choice but to get RU to finish up work on Vikramaditya as soon as possible.
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early speculations of vikramaditya spoke of the big island being downsized to less-cruiserish size. but the rebuilding indicates the size and shape of old island will be
retained though the zoo of radars and missile launchers mounted on sponsons and steps of the pyramid will go away.
retained though the zoo of radars and missile launchers mounted on sponsons and steps of the pyramid will go away.
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There was some talk of 30 ships under constructions some time back. Does any gurus tell how is this construction projects going on.
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That 30 probably also includes FPV's and FAC's. Otherwise that number looks too exaggerated. Love to be proved wrong though.
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I don't think I asked for for INS Dunagiri's exterior pics. Anyone can take an exterior pic if the ship if it happens to be there. Not everyone can take the interior pics of the ship...be it the "engine room" or the ops room. Surely someone who claims to know more than a mere journalist would know the subtle difference. Your statements are backed up by shiny brochures, Ajai Shukla's pics are backed up by an actual visit....and an actual WRITE UP focused on the details of the visit especially to the CIC or Ops Room. And you have not address the central question (you are free to continue your tall tales here too)....have you EVER seen an ops room? You could ask me the same question and I will just deflect it by saying....I got stuck in an upgraded Kilo and that's all I can say about that whole episode. Anything more would be too specific....but given that I had the temerity to question your "vast knowledge" it would be wise to figure the rest out.tsarkar wrote:.........I didn’t spend my career taking pictures, only during interesting occasions. A gizmo to me is just a means to an end, and not the ends itself, hence if we ever took pictures, it was of people, occasions & not gizmos. And being an ex-servicemen doesn’t mean unlimited liberties to click to heart’s content.......Since you’ve asked, I had posted the first Revathi on trials at sea pictures & videos that I had taken after taking due permissions..............My statements are usually backed up by verifiable facts and I provide links and explanations that others can cross check.....I haven’t been onboard Shivalik, but the last time (Jan 2009) I was on a similar ship, the engine room, with a lesser degree of automation (since it was a generation older), had a similar LCD screen in a similar position that showed course, heading, position of own ship(s) and other blips. The data was alternated with other systems data (like engines, DG sets, etc).......You’re welcome to prove otherwise, but I stand by what I wrote earlier.
I am sure that after this incident you will make it to an ops room, even if you are "catering" you will have friends who are "Missiles and Gunnery" (hint hint hint) who might be kind enough to show you a REAL ops room. And THEN ask them WHY they have two 42"in flat panels that are less than 10 ft apart placed perpendicular to each other. I would suggest starting with a Delhi...moving to a Talwar....Brahmaputra....and then Shivalik....skip the upgraded Kilo its not worth getting stuck....and they are extremely secretive.....who knows if you bake them a cake they might be nicer to you. After all it certainly appears that you have a lot of Naval experience. Oh and I would love to hear what they tell YOU when you ask them if you can take a pic of an ops room.
I am very disappointed in you tsarkar. This is your second trip up. Your first was around the time you joined BRF and made an authoritative and yet flippant comment about the Oto Gun mfg using a very old reference (circa 1998 IIRC). You may not recall it and its a pretty trivial point but I found it odd that IN had told me otherwise. Again if you were "Missile and Gunnery" (hint hint hint) you would have known better and any of your contacts in Nau Sena bhavan would have given you the right info...but if you are "catering" then the Ravati trial would your biggest claim to fame. It's kind of ironic that that same Oto gun that you dissed is on the Shivalik so obviously there are gizmos that you have no clue about.
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Vessels under constructionNarayana Rao wrote:There was some talk of 30 ships under constructions some time back. Does any gurus tell how is this construction projects going on.
Gorshkov-2011-12
Vikrant-2015+
3 Talwar FFG 2010-12
3 P-15A DDG 2012-14
3 P-17 FFG 2009-11
4 P-28 class corvette 2011+
4 OPV 2010+
2 Tankers
6 Scorpene 2012+
Arihant 20??
Nerpa 2010