Indian Naval Discussion

[Anoop. A.]

Two updates from Russia (both dated 28 December):

India received 6 MiG-29K in 2009, not 4, according to Chief of OAK.
Nerpa will be transferred already in April, 2010.

Can you please post links regarding both of your updates?

MIG had transferred the Mig 29 K to the Indian Navy in Russia itself. This happened in early 2009. It was the navy's decision to defer the transportation of the jets on to the Indian Mainland. Most of news reports does not have the correct number of jets that had arrived in goa(???) on December 4,2009(Navy Day) in CKD kits.

Wouldn't it be cool if the Indian Navy could do a surprise Fly-By of Mig 29 K during Republic Day 2010

[SNaik]

The link is in Russian, articles #2 is about MiGs, article #4 - about Nerpa.
http://www.rusarm.ru/news/lenty/lenta_09_12_29.html

[Amit J]

Two updates from Russia (both dated 28 December):

India received 6 MiG-29K in 2009, not 4, according to Chief of OAK.
Nerpa will be transferred already in April, 2010.

Can you please post links regarding both of your updates?

MIG had transferred the Mig 29 K to the Indian Navy in Russia itself. This happened in early 2009. It was the navy's decision to defer the transportation of the jets on to the Indian Mainland. Most of news reports does not have the correct number of jets that had arrived in goa(???) on December 4,2009(Navy Day) in CKD kits.

Wouldn't it be cool if the Indian Navy could do a surprise Fly-By of Mig 29 K during Republic Day 2010

Am positive the Mig-29 Ks would be displayed in the Republic Day Parade just wish for clear skies and good visibility. Also the Phalcon will be displayed am sure

[Amit J]

The link is in Russian, articles #2 is about MiGs, article #4 - about Nerpa.
http://www.rusarm.ru/news/lenty/lenta_09_12_29.html

Can we assume you know your russian and the Article states that 6 Mig-29 Ks were transferred to India, pls confirm. Also does the article state how many are Ks and how many would be KUBs.

Thanks in Advance

[nachiket]

The link is in Russian, articles #2 is about MiGs, article #4 - about Nerpa.
http://www.rusarm.ru/news/lenty/lenta_09_12_29.html

Can we assume you know your russian and the Article states that 6 Mig-29 Ks were transferred to India, pls confirm. Also does the article state how many are Ks and how many would be KUBs.

Thanks in Advance

Just use google translator...
LINK

It does say that six Mig-29 Ks were transferred. No differentiation between K and KUB there.

[andy B]

The link is in Russian, articles #2 is about MiGs, article #4 - about Nerpa.
http://www.rusarm.ru/news/lenty/lenta_09_12_29.html

Can we assume you know your russian and the Article states that 6 Mig-29 Ks were transferred to India, pls confirm. Also does the article state how many are Ks and how many would be KUBs.

Thanks in Advance

Biss Snaik ji has been giving us these pearls of info for quite some time now...and has been hardly every proven wrong....

[Anoop. A.]

More pictures of IN Mig 29 K from Pilot.strizhi...............

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2009/12/30/7082

[sumshyam]

Sevmash needs more workers

According to Deputy General Director Vasily Ugryumov at Sevmash, the shipyard is in need of a large number of qualified workers, Severodvinsk newspaper Korabelnaya Storona reports.

In addition to the finishing stages of construction of the ice-strengthened platform Prirazlomnaya, Sevmash will be busy with the modernization of the Russian aircraft carrier “Admiral Gorshkov” for the Indian Navy.

seems like more delay is on the card...!

[SNaik]

Don't panic
They were reporting shrtage of 2500 just in February, 2009, meaning they have hired around 1000 during 10 month. Anyway, the article says that they need them for completing oil-drilling platform, not Vikram.

[Anoop. A.]

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/01/video-more-mig-29k-tests.html

Update on Livefist titled Video: More on Mig 29 K Test

This gives the impression that the video is about Indian Navy Mig 29 K.

This is not a recent test. Infact this test is from SOVIET era when they actually held the test SU 33 V/S Mig 29k for the then brand new aircraft carrier Kuznetsov.

[Austin]

Thankfully the IN Mig-29K does not smoke that bad

[neeraj]

http://chhindits.blogspot.com/2010/01/c ... -29ks.html

CCS approves additional 29 mig-29k

[Philip]

Excellent news about confirmation of the extra MIG-29Ks.A signal also to the IAF perhaps?

[Austin]

Excellent news about confirmation of the extra MIG-29Ks.A signal also to the IAF perhaps?

I dont know if Mig-29K selection can in any way influence MMRCA deal , but if the smart heads in MOD knows any thing about end to end logistics advantage and how much that translates over a life cycle of atleast 25 years of operation , the Mig-35 will emerge strong contender.

But considering IAF is a circus with many animals , logistics is not a major concern at AHQ or MOD

[Katare]

Su MKI 234 confirmed, Possibly upto 280+
Mig35 126 Planned, possibly 200+
PAK-FA 250 planned

Upto 730 Brand new Russian built aircrafts worth 40 Squadrons
Well, it'll be a true Russian built Indian Airforce.

[sumshyam]

Su MKI 234 confirmed, Possibly upto 280+
Mig35 126 Planned, possibly 200+
PAK-FA 250 planned

Upto 730 Brand new Russian built aircrafts worth 40 Squadrons
Well, it'll be a true Russian built Indian Airforce.

Seems like decisions are made in someone's kitchen or in bed time story ..!

[Kersi D]

Su MKI 234 confirmed, Possibly upto 280+
Mig35 126 Planned, possibly 200+
PAK-FA 250 planned

Upto 730 Brand new Russian built aircrafts worth 40 Squadrons
Well, it'll be a true Russian built Indian Airforce.

Can we call it

Russia's Indian Air Force
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Russian Air Force based in India
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Russian Air Force, outsourced to India
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OR

Russian Air Force paid and operated by India
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Any More Suggestions

K

[Dmurphy]

^^^Those links you've posted take us directly into "post reply" mode.

[Shankar]

choosing mig 35 in 200 plus number is and always was the most logical choice - just wait for some more months and then we shall see my fav bird in lohegaon for user trail...

[Rupak]

Ok, let's not get too caught up in the MiG-29 discussion for the IAF, this is after all a naval thread.

Thanks

[RKumar]

Nuclear industry grows, but where are the components?

Expressing satisfaction with the year that went by, Banerjee said: 'The major activity that happened last year is the use of imported uranium in the units that are under safeguards and the launch of light water reactor (LWR) for the Arihant nuclear submarine.

[dipayan]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govt-set-to-ink-record-22bn-arms-deal-with-US/articleshow/5425123.cms

2006: $53.5 million for amphibious transport vessel USS Trenton, with another $39 million for six UH-3H helicopters to operate from it

Did we order more sea kings after the parts embargo experience??

[shiv]

^^^Those links you've posted take us directly into "post reply" mode.

Well that is what called "mooh tod jawab" post. Reply if you can!

[sum]

Is there any update on the IN LHD programme? IIRC, they were keen on starting one with the Mistral class as the base design.

[KiranM]

The Week has an article on IAC being built by Cochin Shipyards.

[Rahul M]

The Week has an article on IAC being built by Cochin Shipyards.

and ? anything interesting ?

Is there any update on the IN LHD programme? IIRC, they were keen on starting one with the Mistral class as the base design.

the last report said they were interested in 4 such ships.

[a_kumar]

The Week has an article on IAC being built by Cochin Shipyards.

and ? anything interesting ?

Must be this..
Made in India

[KiranM]

and ? anything interesting ?

Must to be this..
Made in India

Yup that is the one. CS is using modular method of construction. If so why was IN wanting the first ship of next generation frigate to be built outside so that we get modular construction expertise? To me the expertise is already there in CS. Or am I missing something here?

The nugget in that is as of now launch is delayed by 3 months which will be absorbed overtime. Hope they stay the course. Something of a wonder from a Communist ruled state.

Regards,
Kiran

[arun]

I thought the Navy already had a VLF station on the East Coast at INS Kattabomman (BR).

So why a second one on the East Coast rather than setting it up on the West Coast where IIRC there is no VLF Station

Given the range of the missiles carried/proposed to be carried on our submarine force in the medium term, they are going to be a very limited deterrent to PRC ( Limited to PRC SLOC in the Malacca Straits) and none at all to Pakistan, if operating in the Bay of Bengal :

Navy to set up key station near city

TNN, 9 January 2010, 03:07am IST

HYDERABAD: Nearly 1400 acres of forest land will be allotted to the Indian Navy at Pudur mandal in Ranga Reddy district which is about 65 kms from the city.

The state government has agreed to allot the required land to Indian Navy to set up Very Low Frequency (VLF) station and Communications Station at Pudur. The Navy will monitor the Arabian sea, Bay of Bengal and Indian Ocean signals from this station, which according to them is a strategic location for the purpose…………….

TOI

[Nihat]

Perhaps they consider it a priority region , need back up

[deWalker]

Some great Russian video footage of the Kh-25 being launched by IN IL-38 and Kora Class ship.

I'm surprised (if not shocked) to see an officer on deck during missile launch. Is there an on-deck battle station fore-ship? I always thought that the main gun is remotely operated...

Diwakar

So was the fotografer or kamera man. I guess that officer was there for this photo shot.

Yup, that makes 2 officers on deck during a missile launch. Definitely not SOP, I'd imagine.

Anyways, if this was the old INS Mysore firing its 12" guns, these guys would still be in the hospital..

[Rupak]

INS Mysore had six-inch main armament.

[m mittal]

Are there any pics available for the IAC........??

[Nihat]

Sources said the IAC is designed to support and maintain 30 aircraft including the MiG-29K and the naval variant of Tejas, the indigenous light combat aircraft. The carrier will have two 200m runways, a helicopter deck and a 1,600-strong staff.

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/ ... =EDITORIAL .

I've always been confused about the exact figure of Combat jets that IAC is capable of carrying , this article puts it at 30 aircrafts . Does this include helicopters . Also, since ADS is of a lesser displacement than Gorki , how can it carry almost double the number of aircrafts , Gorki is known to be able to carry only 16 mig-29's.

[Venu]

Even though Gorki is a lil bit heavier than IAC, it is not made as a true AC. It is a missile cruiser. The deck space, lifts and Island are placed keeping in mind only a small complement of helicopters, missiles and may be for a few vtol aircraft. However, IAC is built right from its first weld as an out and out AC. Hence the deck space, lifts and islands are designed to be more optimally used enabling it to carry more complement.

Few weeks back, I have posted a link which is comparing the strengths of several AC's. That can explain to some extent the true strengths and weaknesses of Gorky compared to IAC. You can refer that, if you may need to.

[Aditya_V]

Regarding Gorki, we have ordered a first batch 16 Mig29. But if remeber right Gorki was always meant for carrying more aircraft in N-LCA's

[Kartik]

There is a poll going on at Livefist.blogspot.com in the leftmost corner for the Indian Navy's next line of fighters.

[Gagan]

Everyone's voting for the Rafale thinking this is the MRCA

PS: The french owe the BR jingos big time for voting for the Rafale. Now I wonder how they can best pay the jingos back?

[Dmurphy]

Russia to launch last two frigates for Indian Navy by year end

A Russian shipyard will float out the last two of three frigates for India's Navy by the end of the year, a Yantar spokesman said on Monday, according to RIA Novosti.

The first of three Project 11356 frigates was taken out of dry dock at the end of November.

The warships will become modified Krivak III class (also known as Talwar class) guided missile frigates for the Indian Navy under a $1.6 billion contract signed in July 2006.

Indian President Pratibha Patil has named the new ships the Teg (Hindi for Saber), the Tarkash (Quiver), and the Trikand (Bow).

The new frigates will be armed with eight BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.

They will be also equipped with a 100-mm gun, a Shtil surface-to-air missile system, two Kashtan air-defense gun/missile systems, two twin 533-mm torpedo launchers, and an anti-submarine warfare helicopter.

In an interview with RIA Novosti last year, Yantar director Igor Orlov said the shipyard was in talks with Russia's Vnesheconombank on "a $60 million loan to complete the construction of the three frigates for the Indian Navy."

Russia has previously built three Talwar-class frigates for India - INS Talwar (Sword), INS Trishul (Trident), and INS Tabar (Axe).

[SNaik]

Even though Gorki is a lil bit heavier than IAC, it is not made as a true AC. It is a missile cruiser. The deck space, lifts and Island are placed keeping in mind only a small complement of helicopters, missiles and may be for a few vtol aircraft. However, IAC is built right from its first weld as an out and out AC. Hence the deck space, lifts and islands are designed to be more optimally used enabling it to carry more complement.

According to Project 11430 specifications there are two basic configurations for the airwing: 21 MiG-29K and 13 helicopters Ka-31 and Ka-28 or 24 MiG-29K and 6 helicopters. I suppose the second conf will see ASW helicopters grounded and 4 Ka-31 and a couple of Ka-28 SAR left. The maximum airwing will certainly require deck parking for up to 30% of the aircraft, so 16 MiGs seems to be the number fitted in the hangar.