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indranilroy wrote: SO moving on I am trying to understand GOIs decision on missing out on a "free" AC of that size (please dont jump on me for calling it free. I understand that it won't be completely free). Imagine the force projection of such a carrier! Besides the induction of Kitty Hawk would have been way faster, as it was an operational ship when it was being offered! And we would have had a platform for our Hawkeyes (if we really get them)!
I would have been an excellent option IMO. Two squadrons of SHs was a very reasonable price for a 70 ton carrier with a capacity of 85 aircraft as opposed to one squadron of MiG-35s on the Vikramaditya. Also, unlike the latter, the Kitty Hawk could launch fixed wing AEW aircraft.

On the other hand, it would have had higher operational costs and the available power projection may have been somewhat of an overkill. More importantly we'd have pissed off the Russians thoroughly.


Incidently, Robert Gates denied that the Kitty Hawk was offer when eventually asked, so the 'offer' may have been just rumour.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/28kitty.htm
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Viv S wrote:
Incidently, Robert Gates denied that the Kitty Hawk was offer when eventually asked, so the 'offer' may have been just rumour.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/28kitty.htm
Thats Viv for the link. I followed another link from that story to get to the rumour http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/27carrier.htm. I am sorry if this has been posted here before. However, I think it is a worthwhile read into options/challenges that India has when it comes to acquiring/operating aircraft carriers.
Startfor adds, 'If rumours about a US decision to offer the Kitty Hawk to India are true, the move clearly is designed to block the sale of the Gorshkov. An American and a Russian carrier in one fleet would create substantial problems for the Indians.

'Operating an aircraft carrier is one of the most complex military and engineering functions in the world. Having two different carriers made by two different countries housing two different sets of equipment separated not only by age but also by fundamentally-different engineering cultures would create a hurdle that probably would be beyond anyone's capability -- and certainly beyond India's.'
It is true that Admiral Gorshkov was not operational for a long time and had many problems during her operation. But then it was testing new technologies and straddled the decline of USSR.
Stratfor assumes, 'So, Gates could be offering the Indians a choice and a challenge. The choice would be between a US carrier technology -- which even when obsolete by American standards is the result of several generations of battle-tested systems -- and a Soviet-era system that challenged the Soviet ship and aircraft designers. On that level, the choice would be easy.'
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D Roy wrote:Not bad at all.
As I jingo and regular consumer of BRF, I want MORE! :twisted: WHere is my CVN and AWACS? Also needed is a fine SSBN with AGNI V SLBM to wash down all the stuff! burp, and hic!

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at present the france-italy-spain cluster seems to have a sweet spot in the LPH/LPD game. make sense to just import these ships rather than waste vital space in Cochin that could be used for aircraft carriers. japan has the capability but not the
political courage to sell warships to india.

likewise all auxiliaries like tankers, supply ships, surveillance ships should be done up quickly using a mix of imports from italy/span/soko and local manufacture of further samples in pvt shipyards.

the "pearl harbour" in A&N is a must and needs looking into. enviro anarchists are
sure to raise a massive howl of protest egged on by foreign paymasters and NGOs.

for mid air refueling role IN will need its own Midas fleet. the P8s will likely need
this service as they dont have Bear's extraordinary range.

all in all, a massive outlay of capital is needed.
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For the LHD requirement I think the Mistral is a frontrunner, unless Unkil suddenly decides to turn sweetheart and offer LHA's at friendship prices.

Only question with the Mistral is, given the Russian buy will there be enough capacity ..

of course there is always the BPE and a LHDised Cavour or even the Dodko. with the Dutch in there somewhere as well. I wonder if we are going to see a play off a la the MRCA competition :D :P . Okay I know this sounds like a bit of a stretch, but right now the goras are so desperate to sell stuff to India, I wouldn't be surprised if one unit from each of these countries does a series of amphib trials near one of our islands. :mrgreen:

Actually, Unkil did dock its carriers , when rumours of the Kitty hawk transfer were rife in the air.
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Avik, perhaps tsarkar sahab can provide better info but IIRC viraat is escorted by 2 destroyers and 2-3 frigates, that's ten in all. the high seas patrolling duties will be shared by the kashin, frigates(P16A, talwar and shivalik) and also the newer kashins and P25/25A corvettes, especially for the bay of bengal, the last ones would suffice. you have also not included the P28 in your analysis, I would assume that at least one of these will form part of any future CBG.
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There was no way in hell that US was gonna give Kitty Hawk to India. For starters, US would have to remove the propellers to begin with as the propellers are highly sensitive technology and I am not too sure that they would part with the steam catapult technology either. Not only, but they would have to strip down the C&C technology and refurbish it with commercial off the shelf or downgraded technology. It would have not been worth it.
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Dutch do not have LPH, they have LPD Rotterdam class of 17000t.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 998%29.jpg

Spain has very similar size of LPD called Galicia class
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Galic ... o_Iraq.jpg

Italy has a much more powerful navy with the garibaldi heli carrier and Cavour as centerpieces.
their LPD is the San giorgio class
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:San_Giorgio_L9892.jpg

I submit that for us LPD functions is better taken care of commercial standard catamaran or
trimaran designs that can speed troops and supplies across relatively calm waters of the
indian ocean and bay of bengal. they DO NOT need to be designed for more hostile conditions
of the north atlantic or north pacific or baltic. eg jervis bay of australian navy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... y_crop.jpg
this puppy cruised across the timor sea from darwin to east timor.

the prettiest LHDs out there is Mistral (with russia buying in capacity is doubtful) and the
spanish Juan Carlos which is 27,000t and good meat on its bones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Juan_ ... I_L-61.JPG
it is 231 mts long and spain has only ordered 3, with Aus ordering two which will be
built in australia, so the spanish yard should have capacity. capacity is 900 soldiers
and 46 MBTs in a transport role. should be capable of handling upto 20 big helicopters
in a ASW leader role.
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They may not operate and LHD at the moment , but they do have a design - the modular Enforcer series from Schelde which can come in as an LHD. we are talking about the future here after all.

http://www.epicos.com/epicos/extended/n ... rcerS.html
http://www.epicos.com/WARoot/News/Amphi ... ection.pdf

Check these links for the proposed Marine Milit.. 3 X LHD

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... ss-of-LHDs

http://www.naval-technology.com/features/feature70378/

By the way, the Cavour can act as an LPH if required. Moreover the Italian Navy has always been very powerful in the post ww2 era. remember they experimented with ship launched Ballistic missiles in the 1960's.

For Hitesh,

There was something to it. I won't go any further.
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Hitesh wrote:There was no way in hell that US was gonna give Kitty Hawk to India. For starters, US would have to remove the propellers to begin with as the propellers are highly sensitive technology and I am not too sure that they would part with the steam catapult technology either. Not only, but they would have to strip down the C&C technology and refurbish it with commercial off the shelf or downgraded technology. It would have not been worth it.
submarine propellers are sensitive tech, aircraft carriers are not.

that said, this debate is irrelevant, kitty hawk was never on the table, neither was IN interested.
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Money spent on Gorshkov akin to price of similar warships
"The repair and refurbishing cost of about USD 1,783 million (USD 1.78 billion) of the ship compares well with the cost of other aircraft carriers of similar capabilities being built elsewhere in the world," Defence Minister A K Antony said in written reply to a Rajya Sabha query Friday.

India and Russia recently signed a fresh deal worth USD 2.33 billion dollars for the Gorshkov, which was originally to be procured at a cost of USD 974 millions under a 2004 agreement.

Pointing out the reasons behind procuring the Russian-built aircraft carrier, he said,” requirement of two operational aircraft carriers for the Navy has been considered essential to perform its mandated tasks. Further, aircraft carriers are not easily available."
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Indo-US naval wargames begin in Arabian Sea
The ten-day long Indo-US wargames began on Friday in the Arabian Sea, strengthening the relationships between the two navies to maintain peace and stability. The thrust of the Malabar CY 10 exercise this year would be on Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW), Surface Firings, Maritime Interdiction Operations (MIO), Visit Board Search and Seizure (VBSS) and Submarine Operations.

Malabar CY 10, conducted from April 23 to May 2, is the fourteenth series of the Malabar round of exercise. The US Navy's frontline units of 7th fleet and Indian Navy's Western Fleet are participating in the exercise. The scope of Malabar exercise includes diverse range of operational activities at sea. During Malabar CY 10, the US Navy will be represented by ships from CTF 70 of the USN 7th Fleet which is based at Yokosuka, Japan.

The CTF will include the Cruiser USS Shiloh (CG 67), Destroyers USS Chaffee (DDG 90), USS Lassen (DDG 82) and Frigate USS Curts (FFG 38). In addition, one Los Angeles class nuclear powered submarine, USS Annapolis (SSN 760), two P3C Orion aircraft and a 28-member US Navy Special Forces team will also participate in the exercise.
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i was just seeing all the specs of P-17 and they are awesome, but comparing it with the KDX-2 it looks kind of weak. I dont understand why we spend so much on contruction and so less on the weapons-fit. both of these are similar size -wise.
But one glaring design difference is the space occupied by the RBU-6000's in P-17's and there is lot of empty space on the left, If you see the ship from the profile why is there a gap between the VLS and Bridge and the weapons are located on a raised platform. The deck has some empty space and if we remove the RBu-6000 we could have place an VLS which handles both SAM's and bramhos and probably more in number also

Our Navy somehow likes the RBU very mch and they put those things on every ship and i dont think they are stealth friendly either.

I have seen time and again from Mirage-2000 purchase to delhi class, we spend on the platform, but not on the weapon fit. Ex: we scrapped the SS-N-22 from Delhi and replaced them with SS-N-25's. What is the philosphy behind such actions?
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bhavani wrote:Our Navy somehow likes the RBU very mch and they put those things on every ship and i dont think they are stealth friendly either.
The IN does not really care what we think , RBU does the job of hunting submarine specially in littoral water with guided and unguided rockets carried by it , so it is there.

There are no stealthy RBU yet , once it is there the IN may opt for Stealthy RBU
we scrapped the SS-N-22 from Delhi and replaced them with SS-N-25's. What is the philosphy behind such actions?
The SS-N-22 offered during early nineties were deemed very expensive by IN , so they decided to opt for the cost effective subsonic Uran.
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The RBU launchers can be moved down and there they'll be covered by the barriers on the sides of the ship, giving some stealth. I think the RBU is launched a little inclined upwards always. The RBU are guided by their radar as it is.

There is a need to have a 16 or a 32 celled Nirbhay LACM on each IN ship over 3000 tons, in addition to the existing Klub / Brahmos anti ship missiles.

This will make the IN vessels truly multi ability platforms.

A VLS version of a LR-SAM can also be included. There is space in all IN warships it seems. Comparable US, Korean and now even Chinese vessels are coming out with large number VLS cells intelligently packed in the available space.
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Need for more ASW corvettes (smaller than the P-28 Kamortas):

With the launch of the first P-28 ASW corvette,a significant gap in the IN's capabilities will in the future be attended to in the light of the massive increase in subs in the IOR/Pacific.However,the number of corvettes,only 8+ planned with a slow rate of production,which from their size are approximately as large as the Leanders,will not suffice to meet the ever increasing challenges.In addition,even though we had several Petyas in service,their replacement,the Khukri/Kora class were built without any ASW armament whatsoever!These vessels were in fact nothing more than larger sized anti-ship missile craft than our FACM tarantulas,the first four even carrying the same missile.Barring a heli deck without a hangar,these vessels are sitting ducks for any sub.The new P-28 Kamortas beign as mentioned Leander size,are meant for blue water ops,but a vital gap exists in the brown zone,the waters just off our coasts and naval bases.

To augment our brown water ASW capabilities in the past,4 Pauk-2 class ASW corvettes were obtained from Russia,called the Abhay class,which had the same hulls as the Tarantuls.These small ships however "punched above their weight",in that they had a VDS on the stern,medium freq. hull mounted soinar too,21"TTs,MBUs,SAN-5 Manpads,a 30mm gatling and a main gun.Quite a potent package all in a hull displacing around 500t.Now where is the enhanced threat coming from you may ask? Well,apart from the proliferation of enemy subs of all kinds,there is another new threat,that from midget subs,special forces swimmer delivery vehicles for sabotage,mine laying,surveillance,etc.Many navies around the world use special semi-submersible or midget subs for such clandestine operations.History is rife with the successes of many of these ops.The latest addition to this list is the recent sinking of a SoKo missile corvette ,the Cheonan,most probably by a NoKo special forces "suicide torpedo" squad,which could either have carried out a suicide attack,or most likely launched a torpedo at the corvette from the underwater vehicle after the attackers were within close range.The sinking of the Choenan should serve as a wake-up call to the IN and CG,especially as we've already had the experience of 26/11,an assault from the sea,which in the future could have the attackers launched from a sub/midget sub.

(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36719272/ns ... iapacific/)

In the aftermath of 26/11 one can imagine the utter catastrophe had the attackers then or even in the future,attacked or attack naval warships berthed in Bombay or at other naval bases.One can install a variety of "perimeter fencing",incorporating various sensors above and underwater,but as was seen on 26/11 attackers can slip through.The Korean sinking was on the high seas off the coast an even more deadly capability,rendering sensors located at bases redundant.Therefore the need has arisen for a new class of small corvettes,like the Pauks,that can be mass produced at low cost with high automation ensuring small crews which can patrol the approaches to our coastal establishments and augment blue/brown water ops in the company of a larger battle group

The PRC have done just that in large number meeting their missile craft requirement,with their new Houbei (catamaran) class attack craft.This 250t stealth boat,that has taken cues from the Visby class,carries 8 "4th-gen" anti-ship missiles with a range of about 250km an a high speed of upto 45kts and a crew of only 12.That 80+ have been built is an astounding feat and the USN is deeply alarmed at them because they are meant to be expendable (possessing limited anti-air/missile defences-a 30mm gatling and 10 manpads).They will complicate US carrier forces attempting to forestall a Chines einvasion of Taiwan and when part of a larger task force can bring huge numbers of anti-ship missils to attack US battle groups.

I suggest that the IN design in similar vein,a small corvette/attack craft sized vessel on a catamaran hull (Austal style),with a high speed-rmember the old WW2 "subchasers"? Well,these are similar in concept.The upper deck of the vessel aft should be totally fl upto the mainmast,with the exhausts located below and between the twin hulls,which will also reduce IR signature.Externally,the vessel will resemble the Visby style.Thus the vessel will have one extra feature not available on the Pauks,that of a large heli-deck that can accomodate a large ASW helo,perhaps even upto Sea King/NH-90 size and also operate UAVs/UCAVs.Between the two decks,main deck and heli-deck,the ASW dipping/VDS/TAS sonar,torpedo tubes (both heavyweight armed lightweight can be carried).The rest of the armamanet can be a combination of gatlings,PDMS-Barak/Kashtan,a main gun and anti-sub RBUs.With a wider hull,inclined launchers can also be fitted for upto 8 anti-ship/sub Kulb variants.This would however increase the size and dplmnt of the vessel.There are other anti-sub weapon systems that could suffice such as the Russian Medvedka system that can be carried by small vessels.This system carries a rocket with a lightweight torpedo,the "Ultimate RBU with a guided homing round".It is fired from a quad launcher and subs upto a depth of 500m(!) can be destroyed.The range is upto 23km.With contemporary NCW commns. eqpt.,the vessels can even prosecute a contact made by another warship or aircraft miles away.

Notes:

http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&so ... =&gs_rfai=

(http://books.google.co.in/books?id=4S3h ... on&f=false)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houbei_class_missile_boat
The Houbei class (Type 022) missile boat is the newest class of missile boat in the People's Liberation Army Navy. The first boat was launched in April 2004 by the Qiuxin Shipbuilding Factory at Shanghai. These boats incorporate stealth features and wave-piercing catamaran hulls. Approximately 81 or more of these missile boats are currently in service with three flotillas[1], having gone through serial production.
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^^^

IN could buy these off the shelf.
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I can understand the use of these type 22 missile boats with a catamaran hull in the Chinese context, where the need is to project power around their shores in response to US naval power in the region and in context of Taiwan. These boats are vulnerable to the air, and would need air protection and probably cannot venture too far from shore. IOW: Their role is purely defensive, against another naval power.

Their ASW role will again be limited to near shore activities. The PRC sub challenge has to be met on the high seas, using our own subs and other larger vessels and not allow them to come anywhere near IOR.

What will be their role in context of Indian needs. I have not made the connection yet.
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I suspect the primary role for these new FACs is two fold,

1. Saturation vampire attacks using the C-80x family vectored in by off board sensors.

2. Land attack on Taiwanese installations with C-805s ( 500 km range) , possibly with an emphasis on anti-radiation ...

I have never bought the ASW crap for these ships.
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What will be their role in context of Indian needs. I have not made the connection yet.
As i see, Phillip has the following the mind:

Smaller ASW ships - To provide layered ASW screen. Considering the cost of p 28, we might not afford them in larger no. Also, because of size and other armaments, it may very well take role of a frigate and move with CBG and other capital ships. Also, with subs becoming increasing quite every day, a few ASW corvette (no matter how capable) may not sanitize large area. Thus a larger no of such smaller and specific role ASW ships can negotiate with enemy attack subs

Smaller Missile boats - They act as defensive (however IN is known for improvisation - Operation Trident) screen when capital subs are in high seas blocking crucial way points and creating a blockade or in such other mission

Such smaller ships are cost effective and requires lesser man power. If we you analyse IN, we really dont have any good second screen... After the capital ships and subs, the next line is only of patrol ships which are good for patrolling but cannot act as defensive/second tier screen

Just my 2 cents
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since we do not have a superpower enemy who could potentially mob our shores, or green water island belts to fight from and hide into, I think getting a lot of these small fast missile FACs of limited endurance, sensors and AA is not something we need. these boats have no 3D radar worth the name and are ultra vulnerable to ASM attacks and can only defend themselves against submarines by running away at full throttle...and most torpedoes these days do 50 knots+, so escaping is not sure shot.

the challenge as mentioned above has to be met and defeated in the high seas , our shipping lanes and around our naval anchorages. mostly it will be a submarine challenge, bolstered around 2020 onward by carrier task forces that PLAN will build up.

P28 can handle the submarine threat efficiently esp if we beef up with a UUV program, LPD type helicopter carriers
leading ASW oriented air wings and SOSUS arrays around our backyards.

the other angle is Scorpene's and eventually smaller hunter-killer SSNs once the missile needs are catered to.

the PLAN carrier threat will be met with our own carriers, SSGNs and land based awacs, tankers and strike a/c fielding hypersonic brahmos2 missiles.
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Indian Navy keen to procure new Light Utility Helicopters
"We are on the look out for a twin-engined helicopter of modern airframe design and fully integrated advanced avionics
to replace our existing fleet of Chetak helicopters, which were inducted about 30-35 years ago," Navy officials said here.

The Navy recently issued a global Request For Information (RFI) for an unspecified number of new LUHs, asking the vendors to reply within next three weeks with details of their products.
As per the RFI, the Navy wants the helicopters to have controls for two pilots but it should be capable of being operated by single pilot also. "The new choppers would be used to carry out search and rescue, casualty evacuation, observation and surveillance and limited electronic intelligence gathering," officials said.The choppers should have the capability to carry out anti-submarine warfare attack with torpedoes and depth charges besides anti-terrorism and anti-piracy roles.

The Navy wants twin-engine choppers to provide more survivability to its crew while flying over maritime zone. The helicopters will be used for both shore-based and offshore operations and the Navy has specified they should be capable of operating from small decks and larger decks (up to aircraft carrier) in adverse weather by day and night. It also wants the choppers to be operated from snow-covered surface, sleet, sand, water and slush.
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US Navy Warships Off Goa For Exercise Malabar - Livfist Pictures

It has an interesting picture.. shows USS Lansen..

USS Lassen - Image

Notice the surface of structures.. Shockingly... its not a decades old vessel. It was ordered in Jan 1995 and commisssioned in April 2001.

Answers all the nasty comments on how Indian ships look ugly or how Arihant is not smooth etc.
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From the comments.
Anonymous wrote:
Physics is an interesting science. The people of knowledge will understand quickly to what I mean after reading my comment below.

Have we no shame as a nation that we participate in these disgraceful joint exercises? Is there an account we tabulate as to the expenses of such events? We see an Asian Chinese in this photograph SMSing us about the lack of discrimination in the new world - USA. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Another SMS - While the Chinese are our neighbours, in the real USA world they are marines who do not exactly like us.

What a rotten photograph!
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a_kumar wrote: ...
USS Lassen - Image

Notice the surface of structures.. Shockingly... its not a decades old vessel. It was ordered in Jan 1995 and commisssioned in April 2001.

Answers all the nasty comments on how Indian ships look ugly or how Arihant is not smooth etc.
Fair enough... and good spotting.

But there is no reason to aim low. We can aim higher - the Swedish Visby class corvette, for example: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... isby_1.JPG

Having said that, I'm no authority on naval stealth and I don't know how much of a difference all the extra effort in surfacing makes.
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Rahul M wrote: submarine propellers are sensitive tech, aircraft carriers are not.
Actually untrue. Propellers for aircraft carriers are sensitive tech because they use the same kind of technology as in submarines.

There was a link that was posted on BR a while back. I tried to do a google search for that link but I cannot find it. It recalls a story by a Navy historian on attempts to track down plans for propellers on older Navy ships and he revealed his attempts to several officers from the Navy hoping they would help him and they were silent, stunned that he was able to access to one of the Navy's most sensitive technology. It was a propeller used by an aircraft carrier.
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^^^
I recall reading something on those lines except that the ships were decommissioned nuclear subs, not carriers.

just FWIW, images of the nimitz classes' propellers are all over the net.
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A surface vessel can be detected by electro optical sensors as well as Radar while a submarine can only be detected by a SONAR (I don't know how relevant is MAD these days) so if latter manages to keep its acoustic signature to a very low value detecting such a vessel by employing passive techniques is going to be very difficult , perhaps this explains the secrecy around a submarine's propeller design.
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Hello everyone, I have a courtesy meeting with one of my family friends on April 28, and he is Commodore Uday Bhaskar, the founder of the Indian Maritime foundation. If anyone has any questions for him, please use me as a medium to pass on any questions and I will be glad to write them down and have them answered for you. I am pretty sure everyone here is clever enough to figure out their own answers but if anything is needed to be asked, just let me know, as he is a wizard with topics related to maritime security. I will also be meeting with former Indian politician/ Railway minister CK Jaffer Sharif, so if any questions are wanted to be asked, just let me know and I will do all the dirty work.
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Chindits is reporting that New Delhi wants Vikramaditya commissioned on Navy Day - 2012 (Dec 4, 2012).
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Tushar wrote: I will also be meeting with former Indian politician/ Railway minister CK Jaffer Sharif, so if any questions are wanted to be asked, just let me know and I will do all the dirty work.
Ask Mr.Jaffer Sheriff why he started the Lalbagh express. Also ask him why the train stopped at Katpadi onlee?

If he tells the truth don't be astonished. :lol:
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^^^^^^^^

So that his daughter could commute to CMC, Vellore?
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Navy SEALs seal a bond
“Naval co-operation between India and USA epitomises the long-term strategic relationship between both countries. Both navies have, over the years, undertaken diverse bilateral activities such as training exchanges, information exchanges, and technical co-operation. Our nations have significant convergence of interests, especially in the maintenance of maritime security,” a statement from the Indian Navy said.

India and the US signed a Framework for Maritime Security Co-operation in 2006. During the current edition of the exercise, the two navies will practise, apart from anti-submarine warfare, surface firing, maritime interdiction operations and Visit Board Search and Seizure.

“The interoperability achieved over the years as a result of such exercises has proved to be operationally beneficial, particularly during the ongoing Anti Piracy Operations in the Gulf of Aden as also during Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief operations such as the tsunami of 2004,” the navy statement said.
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These ASW corvettes/craft are not meant to tackle the PLAN's missile craft,but the philosophy of having large numbers of capable low manpower ASW craft to sanitise our ports,naval bases and brown water cn be similarly achieved cost effectively.Modern subs equipped with UUVs and other threats as mentioned have to be deal with.Our small number of ASW corvettes which from their size are really meant for open ocean ops ,cheaper to build thna frigates,will not be able to manage the responsibilities nearer home,as well as our OPVs,which have no ASW capability whatsoever.The same hulls could be as the Russians did with the Tarantuls/Pauks,be used for a new fast attack missile craft series.with considerable savings in costs with commonality of engines,and other eqpt.
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Pretty unbelievable...why did they not have 3 subs built in France. This is really really stupid.
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Because it would cost too much.
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First Scorpene by end of 2015 will create a serious dent in IN under water fleet , what a loss of face for MDL and IN will be turning red.

It makes sense to procure more 636M sub with urgent priority to over come this operational dent , considering we may even see the end 2015 date pushing forward.
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Neshant wrote:ecause it would cost too much.
Originally cost for program made it look it would have been cheaper to build them locally but after cost overruns and poor cost allocation the final price tag is much more than what Malaysians paid for French built Scorpene.
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