(a) Which DE Submarine design has VL Launch Capability? If the answer is none and that the SY will have to undertake major redesign to cater to India's requirement, who will foot this bill and how much will this cost?So that justifies a 3 fold increase in cost over a scorpean and 6 fold over a kilo.
(b) What has the VL Launch capability of Brahmos got to do with P-75I Design? Does the ability of Missile automatically translate into ability of the submarine? If the designer has to customize the Submarine Deisgn as per Indian's request to be able to fire Brahmos again, who do you think will foot the bill?None of the off the shelf designs as available can fire Brahmos due to the small size of the boat. If the design is to be customised then the cost goes by 3 to 6 times is what is being questioned. I hope that can be understood.
(c) Again, what has design of Arihant and it's ability to fire XYZ Missile got to do with DE Submarine design? How does it automatically confer the ability on India to design and operationalize a DE Submarine in the required time frame? By extension of your logic, India should be able to manufacture something like SU-30 (in requisite timeframe) because we have developed LCA. And is the Arihant design proven (and I'm not referring to reactor here) ? How long will it take for the total system to shaken down and prove itself?Please tell me other then propulsion what is the difference between a nuke sub and DE before this discussion can proceed further.
As for the ability to manufacture some thing like SU 30, then the answer is yes. Why? if the LCA is completed and all parts of the aircraft were designed inhouse. The human resources needed to to the job are available in house as are the industrial resources. Every thing needed to get it done is available. All that needs to be doen is to design and integrate the various components needed to do the job.
If it cannot be done then there is some thing wrong with the decision making processes of the nation. I will point you to the Original MCA design which was hosted on the BRF for this purpose. No doubt you are aware of it.The sonar systems and the quietening technology for the sub would have been understood with the Arihant design. So why the need to spend billions of US $ on a foreign design.
That is what I am questioning.
All your're doing is casting aspersions and raising stink where none exist.Nither, If you think I am doing it then it is in your mind. PS I am within my rights to question the decisions of the GOI where ever I find them questionable. This whole deal is questionable IMO.
How do you know that the Sonar will not be Indian? For all you know, if the IN feels the system on offer is not significantly superior to home grown system, we may have a local product on the P-75I Submarines.
As for the local design, you're over simplyfying the issue at hand.How so please educate the uneducated.Probably I am seeing parallels between IA armur acquisition and the IN sub acquisition. Also, when you are going to have only 24 boats (As per the 1999 approval )then what is the point of having 3 separate designs. Why the need to create a museum of boats.
On Russian one Western and one Indian. Especially, when the IN designers have demonstrated the competence to design the boat and its subsystems already with the Arihant. Or was it just an empty shell. That is 20 years from active service.
There is no parallel here - simply figment of your imagination because instead of subjecting your thoughts to serious questioning and analysis, you're posting what ever comes to your mind.You need to read the word probably in my post again. Also the bold section is uncalled for. Defending the procurement decisions of the services is admirable but please be objective and slightly more tolerent of those who are questioning the decisions made by GOI.
As for the three different boat types, this is what happens when we short sighted people at the helm and acqusitions happen in piece meal. And when the domestic industry has not taken off. If the HDW thing was not torpedoed, for all you know, the follow on subs would have been U-214 Class of boatsNo Comments, for the firs part of the paragraph. For the underlined section how will the domestic industry take off. Please educate this poor abdul.
And as I said earlier, design of Arihant does not confer upon India the ability to design a Submarine from scratch and induct the same in required timelines and numbers.
May be , if GOI is prudent enough, the next 12 Submarined after Scorpene and P-75I will be Indian - and for this, the efforts need to laucnhed as of yesterday. So that technology validation and production can happen in expected timeframe.
I have asked before i ask again, quote]Please tell me other then propulsion what is the difference between a nuke sub and DE before this discussion can proceed further
Rohit my responces are in red.