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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby nirav » 25 Dec 2009 23:49

Dmurphy wrote:
Venu wrote:Why is the aircraft looking so old and wared. Aren't we getting the new ones?
Naah, i don't think so. Its probably the same aircraft as in this pic taken in Russia earlier this year.

I'll blame it on the shadows and bad picture quality.

Add later: Check it out. This one looks even better. Though its a Mig 29K.



I guess the bad picture quality could be attributed to the pics being scanned from Vayu's latest issue..

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Kartik » 25 Dec 2009 23:52

Venu wrote:


Why is the aircraft looking so old and wared. Aren't we getting the new ones?

rest assured, those are brand new ones that the IN is using to get its first batch of pilots trained on. But then, the aircraft get dirty for various reasons..oil, smoke, dirt and grime are prevalent on the decks and people crawling on them to service them, so its common to see Naval aircraft dirty as hell after a tour of duty. One desi was complaining about the paint-job on MiG-29K and another American poster said that F/A-18s, get even dirtier after completing their tour of duty.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Cain Marko » 26 Dec 2009 00:31

Wokay! What is this penchant with IN fulcrums looking dirty? First there are gents who wonder if the bird has been tested adequately simply because there were not enough pics to corroborate what might have been suggestive of rigorous tests. I distinctly remember R&D because there were no pics of the K taking off from the Kuz without EFTs. Now that they look like they've been put through the wringer a bit, oh the look so dirty :roll:

I guess BR jingos want their fighters to phully tested and reliable, but they ought to look like Aishwarya while doing the dirty work!

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Anurag » 26 Dec 2009 00:45

The first four IN Mig-29K's already arrived in the first week of this month. These pictures are of the remaining ones undergoing testing.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby maz » 26 Dec 2009 02:11

Kapil's photo feature on the President's Day at Sea is up and running. Be patient.... we are adding more pics and a report.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... ay+at+Sea/

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 26 Dec 2009 02:30

thanks maz and kaps.

Image
it's a magic alright.
here's the hi-res.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... 9.jpg.html

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Anoop. A. » 26 Dec 2009 02:45

Thank you Maz & Kapil for uploading very good quality pictures. Waiting for more. Thanks again :D

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Ankit Desai » 26 Dec 2009 19:57

Weapon installation of frigate "Tag" has begun

Experts have begun the installation of two torpedo tubes on the ship which was launched on November 27, Devices produced in Russia form the basis of an anti-missile weapons frigates of Project 11356, which also includes two jet bombometnyh installation RBU-6000 and anti-helicopter,


BRAHMOS" supersonic anti-ship missiles is placed in the frigate as its sea test are still uncomplete, the report said.


Ankit

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby m mittal » 26 Dec 2009 21:20

Is it not Teg instead of Tag??

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Hiten » 26 Dec 2009 21:27

has not been posted here I believe

Saab touts Sea Gripen for India and Brazil


Saab is responding to an Indian Navy (IN) request for information (RfI) regarding future carrier-capable fighters with a new development of the Gripen NG, dubbed the Sea Gripen.....

....Jane's understands the RfI has been issued to Boeing, Dassault, Eurofighter, Lockheed Martin, Sukhoi and Saab. While India is notionally developing a naval version of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, the RfI is a recognition that this troubled programme might not be able to deliver an operational combat aircraft in the necessary timescale. India hopes to commission IAC 2 and 3 in the second half of the next decade.....

....designs for a navalised Gripen date back to the 1980s in Sweden.....The Sea Gripen would be part of the long-term industrial development package for India and Brazil, should either country select the Gripen NG. The Indian RfI also makes a specific request that India's chosen aircraft should be exportable. {?? Does it mean India should be allowed to export the licensed-produced aircrafts to any country of its choice [no such arrangements for Jags & Flankers??] - prospects of NLCA doesn't sound very bright I think OR Does it mean that if IN feels it no longer requires the imported aircrafts it should be free to sell it to a 3rd party country w/o issues - then it could mean nice things for the NLCA}

....Gripen has a built-in carrier capability that was part of the original design consideration. It is made for precision landings on a short strip. The aerodynamics, handling and landing qualities are all there.....

.....The Sea Gripen is made possible by the inherent performance characteristics of the Gripen and the structural changes introduced with the Gripen NG. It has been designed to operate from 'full-spec' carriers at a maximum take-off weight of 16,500 kg and a landing weight (with weapons and fuel) of 3,500 kg. The same basic design parameters make it well suited to STOBAR operations.....

The result will be an aircraft with an empty weight of under 8,000 kg with a total fuel and weapon load of around 8,500 kg. Combat radius is estimated at around 1,250 km in a maritime strike profile or 1,400 km in an offensive counter-air profile. For carrier operations the aircraft will have a service life of 8,000 flight hours with an even distribution between shipborne and land-based operations.

....So we need a new nose gear and undercarriage and we'll have to change some of the internal structure, but it's been analysed and it's possible. We built an arrestor hook into the Gripen NG proposal for Norway. That will have to be strengthened for carrier ops, with a new attachment point, but the work is there.....

"The Gripen already has a salt water protection requirement. It does need more study but we already have an aircraft designed to operate in -50°C and +50°C, from the Arctic to hot-and-high with severe humidity. We don't build fighters for nice sunny days." Saab expects to make initial presentations to the IN in January 2010 and submit an RfI response the following month.



A comment posted there

That being said, I’ve heard that the Swedes had approached India for industrial collaboration when they started the Gripen project, but the all knowing wise Indian bureaucrats sat on the proposal.

Is it true? Had read of the Singaporeans wanting to come aboard the LCA programme though.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby nirav » 26 Dec 2009 22:33

Ankit Desai wrote:Weapon installation of frigate "Tag" has begun

Experts have begun the installation of two torpedo tubes on the ship which was launched on November 27, Devices produced in Russia form the basis of an anti-missile weapons frigates of Project 11356, which also includes two jet bombometnyh installation RBU-6000 and anti-helicopter,


BRAHMOS" supersonic anti-ship missiles is placed in the frigate as its sea test are still uncomplete, the report said.


Ankit


its INS 'Teg' , innit ? :!:

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 26 Dec 2009 22:46

yes. teg means sword.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Katare » 27 Dec 2009 01:08

Since the RFI didn't go to Mig, I suspect it could be a planned replacement of Mig29K on IAC2 &3!?!

May be they have plans for operating small LCA and new fifth gen aircraft from future aircrafts. I suspect IN is lusting after F35 from LM for its future IACs. The threat perception may have changed and the admirals might think they need something better than migs to deter China in next decade or so.

That would make 3 different type of fighter aircrafts in its relatively small inventory of fighter planes :evil:

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby John » 27 Dec 2009 05:13

^ The RFI is a fall back plan for N-LCA and to complement Mig-29k. Navy has plans to order 29 more for IAC-2/3.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby shiv » 27 Dec 2009 06:43

Rahul M wrote:thanks maz and kaps.

Image
it's a magic alright.
here's the hi-res.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... 9.jpg.html


:(( :(( Kaps has amputated the port wing of the Harrier so the 2 mijjiles are not seen in full.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Cain Marko » 27 Dec 2009 06:55

Katare wrote:Since the RFI didn't go to Mig, I suspect it could be a planned replacement of Mig29K on IAC2 &3!?!

May be they have plans for operating small LCA and new fifth gen aircraft from future aircrafts. I suspect IN is lusting after F35 from LM for its future IACs. The threat perception may have changed and the admirals might think they need something better than migs to deter China in next decade or so.

That would make 3 different type of fighter aircrafts in its relatively small inventory of fighter planes :evil:


IF the RFI didn't go to mig that is! IIRC, it did. Still, this could be a chankian move. Hate to speculate on this thread but I'd wager that the IN is looking for something more capable than the fulcrum in the A2G arena, something of a bomb truck with the LCA for air defence. This only really leaves two options - Shornet or Rafale.

Secondly, the GOI seems to want to make this a strategic deal, possibly a mega contract of more than 200 a/c. It has certainly shown a proclivity towards US products, so has the IN and AF. The MOD probly wants offsets/TOT in a big way, all of which is possible only with mega bucks.

Lastly, the IAF probly is looking at a bird that can be a fail safe against the MCA taking too long, a Gripen, F-16 or even MiG-35 won't do here; either tiffy, rafale or possibly Shornet (with EPE engines). Also, it wants a western a/c. Again, the Rafale and Shornet fall into this bracket.

This would explain why the M2k upgrade deal is taking too long; it'd make sense to just buy a few extra Rafale. It may also explain the interest in the Super Hornet not to mention Boeing offering the EPE engines, which would give a tremendous boost to the platform, possibly enough to be used for STOBAR ops.

The only string left untied then, would be the existing order for 16 MiG-29ks. I shouldn't be surprised if the AF expresses interest in them since they want quick numbers and have existing infrastructure to support the 29. If the potential order for another 29 naval fulcrums does not materialize, this would mean greater support to the above theory/speculation.

Jingos may as well get ready to see the Rafale, and more likely, the Shornet in IAF/IN colors! JMT of course.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Yogi_G » 27 Dec 2009 07:31

Hiten wrote:Is it true? Had read of the Singaporeans wanting to come aboard the LCA programme though.


Wasn't it only for the MMR? Not for the whole fighter right, in case that's what you meant.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Gagan » 27 Dec 2009 09:18

This is going the same way as the light helo contract, where RFPs were reissued for a larger number for both the AF and Army Aviation.

I hope the same thing does not happen to the MRCA now at this stage.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Jagan » 27 Dec 2009 10:41

maz wrote:Kapil's photo feature on the President's Day at Sea is up and running. Be patient.... we are adding more pics and a report.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Gall ... ay+at+Sea/


Excellent Kaps and Maz.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby KrishG » 27 Dec 2009 17:16

Navy plans to acquire multi-role fighter aircraft

http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/27/stories/2009122756541600.htm

The aircraft firms included: the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) for their Eurofighter Typhoon, the Boeing Integrated Defence System (for the F/A-18 Super Hornet), Sweden’s SAAB (who are offering the Gripen JAS 39) and France’s Dassault (for the Rafale).


While the Rafale and the F/A-18 are natural choices for naval operations as they were built specifically for carrier-based multi-role operations, the manufacturers of the Typhoon and the Gripen have indicated that their aircraft could be suitably modified for naval carrier-based flying.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby K Mehta » 27 Dec 2009 18:00

The mig-29k "looks" dirty because of the IN paint scheme. The IN paints its fighters "Ghost grey" unlike the IAF, check IN Sea harrier pics to get a perspective. This colour is a duller shade and thus doesnt make it eye candy, but thats hardly the purpose of a fighter.
JMHO

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby vishnu.nv » 27 Dec 2009 19:06

The New's of IN acquiring new MRCA doesn't makes sense at all. Why don't they procure more Mig-29 K's?
So did the navy shelved plan's for additional Mig-29K's? I think mig-29K is a superb aircraft and with some more customization it could be better than F-18. Would it be better to acquire Mig 29K and later replace them with Pak-Fa naval version?

Which would be navy's 3rd carrier? is it referring to IAC? or is it referring to 2nd IAC?

Note: No Lockheed martin in the RFI list. So no F-35. On a second thought it would be a Navy's tactics for the price negotiation for second batch of Mig-29K.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Katare » 27 Dec 2009 21:38

Cain, Vishnu,

I was going by this.....
Jane's understands the RfI has been issued to Boeing, Dassault, Eurofighter, Lockheed Martin, Sukhoi and Saab.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby pgbhat » 27 Dec 2009 22:22

Aditya G wrote:http://www.stratpost.com/coastal-security-navys-report-card

http://www.stratpost.com/maritime-secur ... y-captains

Looks like CISF got some training from MARCOS: 8)

They might be regular sailors imparting training for VBSS ops? :-?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Dmurphy » 27 Dec 2009 22:31

vishnu.nv wrote:The New's of IN acquiring new MRCA doesn't makes sense at all. Why don't they procure more Mig-29 K's?
So did the navy shelved plan's for additional Mig-29K's? I think mig-29K is a superb aircraft and with some more customization it could be better than F-18. Would it be better to acquire Mig 29K and later replace them with Pak-Fa naval version?
This, I think, is more like a proposal for joint development rather than an 'off the shelf' acquisition. The below quote suggests that.
the manufacturers of the Typhoon and the Gripen have indicated that their aircraft could be suitably modified for naval carrier-based flying.


vishnu.nv wrote:Would it be better to acquire Mig 29K and later replace them with Pak-Fa naval version?
PAK-FA is gonna have a Naval version? We've just heard such rumours so far, so lets not count on it.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 27 Dec 2009 22:56

DM, I think a naval PAK-FA is a given. unless russia ceases to exist or decides one fine morning that it doesn't need carriers any longer. none is very likely. naval PAK-FA is a question of when, not if, if you ask me.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby John » 28 Dec 2009 01:07

Rahul M wrote:DM, I think a naval PAK-FA is a given. unless russia ceases to exist or decides one fine morning that it doesn't need carriers any longer. none is very likely. naval PAK-FA is a question of when, not if, if you ask me.

It would require design changes to reduce approach speed since it was not designed for carrier operations, also IN/Russian navy would have to switch CTOL to take full advantage of its payload capability. If weight estimates are correct 26 ton loaded weight would be too big for Gorshkov and IAC?

IMO i doubt the Russians would build a carrier to replace Kuznetsov which has been quite ineffective for them, their current priorities seemed to be in deployment of LPD and better suited for their regional conflicts.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Dec 2009 04:18

nice to see the white in the roundel removed - tends to catch the eye very prominently otherwise
hope iaf are doing the same

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Dec 2009 09:27

Russia's Nerpa sub passes final trials

Russia's Nerpa nuclear attack submarine, damaged in a fatal accident during tests in November last year, has successfully passed final trials, a Pacific Fleet spokesman said on Monday.

The submarine will be officially commissioned with the Russian Navy later on Monday in the in the town of Bolshoy Kamen in Primorye Territory, home to Amur shipyard's Vostok repair facility which carried out the repairs.

The submarine will be subsequently leased to the Indian Navy under the name INS Chakra. India reportedly paid $650 million for a 10-year lease of the 12,000-ton K-152 Nerpa, an Akula II class nuclear-powered attack submarine.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Dec 2009 10:44

KrishG wrote:Navy plans to acquire multi-role fighter aircraft

http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/27/stories/2009122756541600.htm

While the Rafale and the F/A-18 are natural choices for naval operations as they were built specifically for carrier-based multi-role operations, the manufacturers of the Typhoon and the Gripen have indicated that their aircraft could be suitably modified for naval carrier-based flying.


I think what the IN is trying to do is fish in troubled waters which is IAF MMRCA deal.

It probably thinks that if their RFP can in some way shape the decision on MMRCA deal and in that way it can acquire a new asset , it has nothing to loose and every thing to gain.

Now if decision makers have to make a choice and it takes into account IN newest RFP , their thinking will be limited to either acquiring Rafale or Super Hornet as both are proven carrier capable and works for the IAF.

But then things can go wrong for the IN as well as if decision makers selects the Mig-35 then its Naval Derivative which is Mig-29K will remain the spearhead for a long time to come.

I think there is no need for the IN to acquire a 3rd type of new aircraft when the NLCA and Mig-29K is yet to become part of operational CBG , it is better off supporting the NLCA and purchase some additional 29K and then eventually move to a 5th Gen FGFA Naval derivative after 2025

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Dec 2009 10:51

John wrote:
Rahul M wrote:DM, I think a naval PAK-FA is a given. unless russia ceases to exist or decides one fine morning that it doesn't need carriers any longer. none is very likely. naval PAK-FA is a question of when, not if, if you ask me.

It would require design changes to reduce approach speed since it was not designed for carrier operations, also IN/Russian navy would have to switch CTOL to take full advantage of its payload capability. If weight estimates are correct 26 ton loaded weight would be too big for Gorshkov and IAC?


Yes it would need design changes but it is doable like LCA -> NLCA and Rafale shows it , it may perhaps be big ( in terms of numbers it can carry in IAC and in hangers that can fit it ) , but IN has an ambition of large IAC ~ 60K

IMO i doubt the Russians would build a carrier to replace Kuznetsov which has been quite ineffective for them, their current priorities seemed to be in deployment of LPD and better suited for their regional conflicts.


Kuzzi will get a fleet of new aircraft with is 24 Mig-29K , the Flanker will either be upgraded to another role or will die a natural death.

They will eventually get a new carrier and it has been expressed by the Admiral and MOD for some time , but serious work on Naval Carrier will start post 2012 as right now they need to do the ground work on the Naval Yard that can build a big 60K N propelled carrier which is what they said they need.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Kartik » 28 Dec 2009 11:32

Lalmohan wrote:nice to see the white in the roundel removed - tends to catch the eye very prominently otherwise
hope iaf are doing the same

nice catch. its part of the low-visibility colour scheme. the IAF really needs to take a leaf from the IN on this aspect..its Jaguars carry inordinately large roundels and fin-flashes that would stand out from a distance. I mean the only reason they went to low-viz gray camo on almost all IAF aircraft was to make them less visible in the air, so makes more sense to do something about those roundels and fin flash too.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 28 Dec 2009 14:25

I can't understand the logic in a third naval strike-fighter,as the MIG-29K is an excellent bird,.There could be two reasons for this RFP.The first is the inordinate delay in the naval LCA arriving,as even Mk-1 LCA has yet to enter service.The Mk-1 LCA is underpowered especially at low alt.,which is critical for any naval fighter.Even if LCA MK-2 arrives with a new engine by about 2013 or the middle of the next decade,when will its naval variant enter service and at what rate of production? 8 aircraft per year at current estimates?This would mean that the naval LCA will arrive only in the latter half of the next decade,far too late.

The second reason is probably why the IN is pushing for another alternative,that of the massive Chinese naval expansion,especially its carrier ambitions.The excellent IDR article on the IN and its future role in the IOR (geopolitical thread) is a must read to understand the developing dynamics in the IOR.The PLAN hopes to have several carriers in service by the end of the next decade and the Varyag,purchased ostensibly in a huge lie that it was to be a floating casino,has been repaired and modernised,with a huge miror image of it being built on land to serve for training purposes.The main problem that China faces is that it has no reliable source for a carrier strike aircraft barring the SU-33 flanker derivative from Russia.Even if the Russians are tardy with selling the SU-33 to China,the Chinese have reverse engineered the SU-27 Flankers and might develop a naval variant of the same.

To have therefore PLAN fighters in the IOR with a superior aircraft to our MIG-35s,with our very own LCA also in doubt,is like placing all our eggs into one basket.The Sea Harrier can only last out as long as the Viraat and as much concern is there about the date of the naval LCA arriving,so is there doubt about the availability of a second aircraft for the 3rd carrier which should possess qualities that will kick the butt of the PLAN forces,like the 5th-gen fighter.Any 5th-gen variant will also only come by the end of the next decade,so the "decade gap" will have to be suitably filled.It is unlilkely that we will obtain the JSF and that aircraft too is a single-engined variant which certain air forces like that of Oz,say is inferior to any future upgraded Flanker and would not be able to defeat large numbers of Chinese aircraft.To me,the naval Rafale would be the best choice to accompany the MIG-35 from carrier 3 onwards,until and unless a STOVL version of the 5th-gen fighter is available instead.That the Gripen has also been asked, clearly shows that the IN has doubts about the availability of the naval LCA arriving in time.It is casting its net wide and will probably examine the "flying fish" caught carefully,before deciding which one to consume.
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Kartik » 28 Dec 2009 15:11

Philip wrote:I can't understand the logic in a third naval strike-fighter,as the MIG-29K is an excellent bird,.There could be two reasons for this RFP.The first is the inordinate delay in the naval LCA arriving,as even Mk-1 LCA has yet to enters service.

yawn..your tape starts again..remind me which carrier to park the MiG-29K on ? and the N-LCA if available tomorrow, (i.e years ahead of schedule, since you're cribbing about "inordinate delay") which carrier do we park those on ? :roll: Dabolim air field carrier is it ?

The Mk-1 LCA is underpowered especially at low alt.,which is critical for any naval fighter.Even if LCA MK-2 arrives with a new engine by about 2013 or the middle of the next decade,when will its naval variant enter service and at what rate of production? 8 aircraft per year at current estimates?


rate of production will increase if the orders are placed for the fighter..you cannot get an order for 20 and expect that in 2 years all the fighters will be delivered. its a waste to spend so much on a production line when there is no surety of a large volume of production..you'd need to amortise the cost of all the jigs, fixtures, equipment, etc. over a much smaller batch if the orders don't come in. if you want faster delivery, spend on it. give orders. don't keep barking "8 aircraft per year, 8 aircraft per year". it won't increase till the IAF orders more and the GoI releases more funds. the GoI has started on that path with its recent release of Rs 5000 crores, so the urgency is now beginning to show as the Tejas Mk1 approaches IOC.

This would mean that the naval LCA will arrive only in the latter half of the enxt decade,far too late.


which is more than adequate considering when the IAC-1 will enter service. your tirades against the LCA are really getting boring now. rehashing the same stuff over and over again and however much others try to explain, it won't change your prejudice, so its useless to even bother I guess..

To have therefore PLAN fighters in the IOR with a superior aircraft to our MIG-35s,with our very own LCA also in doubt,is like placing all our eggs ino one basket.The Sea Harrier can only last out as long as the Viraat and as much concern is therefore the date of the naval LCA arriving,so is there doubt about the availability of a second aircraft for the 3rd carrier which should possess qualities that will kick the butt of the PLAN forces.


what "our" MiG-35s ? a wet dream that you're talking of as if its already reality or have you simply stopped referring to the K's ? I hate saying this about a fighter I like (the -K), but you drive me to it by your constant tirade against the LCA- if the MiG-29K is so great, why even bother with a third type ? and even if the N-LCA sucks as much as you want it to, why couldn't the IN simply buy more MiG-29Ks instead of floating a global tender, one of which is an aircraft you revile so much in your posts (the USN's mainstay carrier fighter).

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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The text says .... India would receive its first new generation Nerpa Akula-II class nuclear attack submarine by March next year on a 10-year lease...

IIRC Was n't Nerpa suppose to join IN in jan 2010 precisely on Jan 26 ??? if it has been inducted in RuN then why is there delay of 3/5 months

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Dec 2009 15:46

Nerpa nuke sub tests completed, it enters RF Navy

As of 2008, Russia had an agreement pending with India worth US$2 billion for the lease of Nerpa and another Project 971 Shchuka-B class submarine. Of this, K-152 Nerpa will be leased for 10 years to India at an estimated cost of US$650 million. After being handed over to the Indian Navy, it would be commissioned as INS Chakra. Nerpa is the Russian word for the Baikal seal, and chakra is a Sanskrit word meaning disk, wheel, or in traditional Indian medicine, an energy vortex associated with the body.

Indian naval crews earlier trained to operate the submarine near St. Petersburg and another group of sailors was expected to arrive in Vladivostok in late 2008 for joining sea trials. The training of the crew was viewed as crucial to India's own nuclear submarine programme, known as the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV).

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Dec 2009 15:49

parshuram wrote:


The text says .... India would receive its first new generation Nerpa Akula-II class nuclear attack submarine by March next year on a 10-year lease...

IIRC Was n't Nerpa suppose to join IN in jan 2010 precisely on Jan 26 ??? if it has been inducted in RuN then why is there delay of 3/5 months


Yes 26th Jan was suppose to be the date , but it got delayed as the sub faced issue and trial got delayed further.

The 3 months is probably the time when IN and RuN submariners will be jointly training on Nerpa and they will also have a long and interesting voyage back home.

IIRC when old INS Chakra was making its way to India they were chased by NATO ASW forces

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Dmurphy » 28 Dec 2009 15:52

Per this report India could lease 'several' nuke attack submarines! 2 for sure.
"Yes, there is a real possibility of leasing for ten years several of our nuclear powered multi-role submarines of Project 971 of 'Shchuka-B'class," the Director of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) Mikhail Dmitriyev was quoted as saying by ITAR-TASS.


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