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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby SNaik » 13 Jan 2010 04:14



And Director of Russian State Service for Military&Technical Cooperation confirms it as well.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby sumshyam » 13 Jan 2010 08:15

Russia's Nerpa nuclear sub to be 'fine-tuned' next month

"Additional adjustments are planned for the Nerpa in February 2010 to rectify the flaws revealed during the latest tests," a ministry official said.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Anoop. A. » 13 Jan 2010 21:23

No news of INS Shivalik...........last heard that it was dry docked after sea trials

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Craig Alpert » 13 Jan 2010 23:44

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby johnny_m » 16 Jan 2010 03:51

Looks like the British Carrier to India was a bit far-fetched

Carriers not under threat
A letter from the Minister for Defence Equipment and Support, Quentin Davies, has appeared in The Guardian newspaper in response to an article which appeared in the paper entitled 'Stealth fighter jets to be slashed'. The Minister's letter said:

Dear Sir,

Your correspondent's article in Wednesday's Guardian on defence procurement, 'Stealth fighter jets to be slashed', is nonsense personified.

Our new carriers are not 'under real threat'. There will not 'certainly be a big reduction in Joint Strike Fighter numbers'. The article goes on to state 'among other options being considered are: downsizing the second carrier … building both carriers but selling one perhaps to India'. No such fantastic 'options' are being considered at all.

As for the phrase 'at a time when troops in Afghanistan are being deprived of helicopters and surveillance systems', it is about as far from the truth as it is possible to be. We are currently in the midst of a dramatic increase in helicopter numbers in Afghanistan, up by 50 per cent from June 2009 - June 2010, we are adding new Reaper Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and will be introducing the Watchkeeper in the coming months.

If your correspondent would like a briefing on the real position I should be happy to arrange one for him, or to give him one personally, at any time.

Yours,

Quentin Davies MP, Ministry of Defence, Whitehall, London.


http://www.blogs.mod.uk/defence_news/20 ... -2010.html

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby NRao » 16 Jan 2010 09:00

Cannot recall where we had the discussion on F-18s and ski jumps, but here is one late ref:

Dec 14, 2009 :: US-India ties boost Boeing’s prospects

We have received an RFI on F-18s from the Indian Navy. The United States Navy, by the way, is the fourth largest air force in the world. 75 per cent of those aircraft are land-based. It’s a very formidable platform that can be used off of aircraft carriers as well as land and I think should the Indian Navy pursue it, clearly a platform that’s proven on aircraft carriers,” he says, adding, “It would make tremendous sense from a joint forces standpoint to have that capability, because economies of scale will play in and operationally you’d be further ahead form a joint forces standpoint. That’s for the government to answer.”

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But would the aircraft be compatible with Indian carriers like the Viraat and the much-delayed Gorshkov? “We have checked out with some modeling that that’s possible. We have done simulations that they can be used off of the Indian carriers,” says Lall, adding that test flights to prove the simulations would only be done as and when the need arises.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Willy » 16 Jan 2010 09:12

Looks like the British Carrier to India was a bit far-fetched.

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That was probably just to get a handle over the Ruskies on the Gorky price negotation. Dosent make sense to buy the British carrier specially when reports abound that the next IAC will be with CAT's. There maybe a few delays but we really need to go the indigenous route.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby johnny_m » 16 Jan 2010 09:38

Yes that is true. But it would have given the IN a capability jump. And the British are pretty reliable sellers.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 16 Jan 2010 11:54

"Many a slip 'tween the cup and the lip",goes an old golf saying and given the declining British military budget and capability and the warning by the head of its Intel committee (in the Indo-UK thread) not "to punch abobve its weight as the British public is fast questioning the sending of British forces to fight global wars,the second carrier might not find funding at all.The head of the British Army and his RAF counterpart last year bitterly attacked the RN for its grandiose plans to build two heavy carriers.The Tommy on the frontline has to bear the brunt of the current wars that Britain is fighting and with the Brown govt. most unlikely to win the next election later this year,many changes in the UIK's defence policy will be forthcoming.The cost though of acquiring any Queen class carrier will be much more than an Indian built one,but perhaps some of the eqpt. aboard could be acquired.

Having said that the IN "casting its net" far and wide for a future carrier fighter is questionable as it is going to be about a decade hence when these aircraft will be required.At the moment the IN has just one 50 yr. old VSTOL carrier,the Viraat,ex-Hermes of the Falkland War fame which will serve us until 2018-20 hopefully,one ex-Kiev class cruiser-carrier being heavily modified which will arrive only in 2014,and the IAC being built at Cochin which will also hopefully arrive sometime after 2015.Even going by the schedule as of now,the Virat will not need aircraft other than VSTOL Harriers as we are most unlikely to get the JSF by 2020,even if on offer until the US's allies have got their lot.The Gorky/Vik will have a full complement of MIG-29Ks 48+,more than it can carry,which means that half this number has ben earmarked for the IAC and the naval version of the LCA which should be in service by 2015.So upon which deck do these extra naval fighters other than the MIG-29K and the naval Tejas plan to roost? Even the second IAC will be merely a replacement for the Viraat and should steam into service by 2018 at the earliest.The Sea Harriers and any extra we acquire from the UK to make up numbers,if still servicable can be used aboard our amphibious ships just as the USMC uses their version of the Harrier.I have my doubts about the naval LCA unless it is very cost-effective to acquire,as naval experts prefer a twin-engined fighter for carrier ops. for obvious reasons.With the increasing range and lethality of stand-off air and sea-launched cruise missiles,the patrol radius and endurance of carrier CAP fighters will extend much further than current ranges,something that cannot be met by a small lighweight fighter.It will however given its size ennable our smaller carriers to carry a few moe aircraft in a light-heavy mix with the MIG-29Ks.

The most sensible way for the IN if it plans for a future fighter post 2015 as even larger carriers are being contemplated perhaps with nuclear propulsion,is to join the 5th-gen fighter programme and acquire either a CTOL version of the same or a STOVL version like the JSF.This will be a genuine 5th-gen stealth fighter capable of meeting any threat around the time of induction and would serve the IN for another 30+ years.having one type for both IAF and IN would also make it cheaper to acquire-larger numbers,easier to train,maintain and support with spares and eqpt. being common to both.The F-18SH by 2020 will be totally obsolete and there is little point in contemplating it.After operating both the naval LCA and the MIG-29Ks,I feel that the IN will in the fulness of time acquire "more of the same" given the long acquisition process of the MOD.

Meanwhile our "friends" the US,has sold/delivered to Pak more P-3 Orions,which will have 7 fully upgraded ones in the future (more in the Indo-US thread).We presume these are needed to fight the Taliban's navy! Given that the eqpt. inside the first P-8Is which the IN is buying and that of the upgraded P-3s are almost identical,the US's cunning gameplan can be seen here.WE acquire eqpt. from the US mistakenly believing that we will have the edge over pak,only to find the US seling it equivalent or the same eqpt.!

PS:Sorry,I missed the news that the naval LCA is "not that urgent" or whatever in the LCA thread because of idnecision by the ADA.Therefore,the need for another option to fly along with the MIG-29K is understood,but even this will have to wait for carrier two (IAC #1) post 2015 to arrive.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby GeorgeWelch » 16 Jan 2010 15:32

Philip wrote:the naval version of the LCA which should be in service by 2015.


:rotfl:

Philip wrote:Even the second IAC will be merely a replacement for the Viraat and should steam into service by 2018 at the earliest.


I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at, but by 2017, India could have 3 STOBAR carriers. The Gorky takes 16 planes and the Virkants take up to 40 each for a total of 96 planes aboard plus attrition spares, training planes and whatnot.

Philip wrote:The most sensible way for the IN if it plans for a future fighter post 2015 as even larger carriers are being contemplated perhaps with nuclear propulsion,is to join the 5th-gen fighter programme and acquire either a CTOL version of the same or a STOVL version like the JSF


Any such naval version of MCA?/FGFA? couldn't even be operational for another 20 years at best.

Philip wrote:having one type for both IAF and IN would also make it cheaper to acquire-larger numbers,easier to train,maintain and support with spares and eqpt. being common to both.


Yes, which is why it makes so much sense to select the SH for both the IAF and IN

Philip wrote:The F-18SH by 2020 will be totally obsolete


Why would it be any more obsolete than any other 4th gen fighter? In 2020 the SH will still make up the vast majority of the USN fleet and will receive continual upgrades through then.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby johnny_m » 16 Jan 2010 15:58

Philip,

All the MIG 29Ks being ordered are not necessarily for fleet based operations. Expect some of them to be permanently based in shore based ops.

If you believe the IN was satisfied with the MIGs and the N-LCA then explain why they have sent an RFI for new generation fighters to a host of manufacturers including MIG, Dassault, Boeing and Lockheed.

But the most bizarre point you made was that the Super Hornet will be obsolete by 2020. Let me ask you then what about the MIG 29K it has even less growth potential than the Super Hornet. Likely future upgrades for the 29Ks may include an AESA, which the Super Hornet already has. There will definitely be a block III upgrade funded by the USN before it retires from their service so rest assured it has a much better upgrade path.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Anoop. A. » 16 Jan 2010 19:19

johnny_m wrote:Philip,

All the MIG 29Ks being ordered are not necessarily for fleet based operations. Expect some of them to be permanently based in shore based ops.


Indian Navy will have to have shore based Mig 29 K, since they cannot do training for carrier take off/ landing with the BAE HAWK 132 (17 on order), as the hawks dont come with arrester gear.

johnny_m wrote:Philip,
If you believe the IN was satisfied with the MIGs and the N-LCA then explain why they have sent an RFI for new generation fighters to a host of manufacturers including MIG, Dassault, Boeing and Lockheed.


A similar RFI was issued by IAF, regarding their jet trainers (BAE HAWK 132), after reports of delay in transfer of technology by the BAE to HAL. However the new RFI also was sent to BAE for the BAE HAWK 128. Latest news is that IAF has "SHORT LISTED" the HAWK 132 and decided to place the follow-on options.

My point is IN may be trying the IAF strategy and they could technically cancel the RFI any time...

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby NRao » 16 Jan 2010 20:01

When one does not read article/s, one is bound to come up with their own history and future!! And, when one keeps on repeating the same "future" it will come true for that one person.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Dmurphy » 18 Jan 2010 17:24

Gorky induction in 2012?

Chindits link

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Philip » 18 Jan 2010 19:51

I've been going through old issues of various journals and some very interesting viewpoints from the top brass of the time have been discovered.Adm.Arun Prakash NSAB member,ex-CNS.... AND an aviator, on the MMRCA contest.Trying to understand the reasons for the multitude of aircraft in the race,the good admiral had this to say:

"...for perhaps political reasons,the RFP seems to have cast its net too wide,including two distinctly different categories...firstly 4th gen. machines (MIG-35,Gripen,Eurofighter,Rafale,Typhoon),have got mixed up with aircraft which first flew in the 1970s and are now at the "sunset phase" of their service life"! These are the good admiral's words and views in toto.They echo what I've been saying all along that the US warbirds are merely old ladies with too much of make-up.Another key point that he made as far as requirements was concerned,that the MMRCA would also have the task of delivering India's air-launched nukes.Now if this is the case and the former CNS should know of it,then this role will also be required for the IN's carrier borne aircraft.having both IAF and IN aircraft capable of delivering part of our nuclear deterrent will complicate matters for the enemy and bring in a larger unpredictability factor for him to dwell upon.Until we have the 5 to 6 SSBNs with their 8,500km ICBMs aboard commissioned and operational,we will not have the third leg of the triad available in true form.At the moment the short ranged Dhanush is being kept ready as part of a minimum sea-based insurance policy,but having our carriers equipped with long ranged nuclear strike capable aircraft that can be refuelled at sea by land based tankers or even by other carrier aircraft,in a buddy-buddy situ,will be a quantum leap above Dhanush equipped OPVs.These future aircraft will however almost certainly have to be twin-engined so that they can return to the carrier in the event of one failing-no need for the pilot tobail out into the ocean and also bringing back its weaponry too,as the good admiral has also written.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Kersi D » 18 Jan 2010 20:57

Philip wrote:I've been going through old issues of various journals and some very interesting viewpoints from the top brass of the time have been discovered.Adm.Arun Prakash NSAB member,ex-CNS.... AND an aviator, on the MMRCA contest.Trying to understand the reasons for the multitude of aircraft in the race,the good admiral had this to say:

"...for perhaps political reasons,the RFP seems to have cast its net too wide,including two distinctly different categories...firstly 4th gen. machines (MIG-35,Gripen,Eurofighter,Rafale,Typhoon),have got mixed up with aircraft which first flew in the 1970s and are now at the "sunset phase" of their service life"! These are the good admiral's words and views in toto.They echo what I've been saying all along that the US warbirds are merely old ladies with too much of make-up.Another key point that he made as far as requirements was concerned,that the MMRCA would also have the task of delivering India's air-launched nukes.Now if this is the case and the former CNS should know of it,then this role will also be required for the IN's carrier borne aircraft.having both IAF and IN aircraft capable of delivering part of our nuclear deterrent will complicate matters for the enemy and bring in a larger unpredictability factor for him to dwell upon.Until we have the 5 to 6 SSBNs with their 8,500km ICBMs aboard commissioned and operational,we will not have the third leg of the triad available in true form.At the moment the short ranged Dhanush is being kept ready as part of a minimum sea-based insurance policy,but having our carriers equipped with long ranged nuclear strike capable aircraft that can be refuelled at sea by land based tankers or even by other carrier aircraft,in a buddy-buddy situ,will be a quantum leap above Dhanush equipped OPVs.These future aircraft will however almost certainly have to be twin-engined so that they can return to the carrier in the event of one failing-no need for the pilot to bail out into the ocean and also bringing back its weaponry too,as the good admiral has also written.



Philip. Let us be consistent. If you call F 16 and F 18 as old ladies with make up, then the MiG 29 aka as MiG 35 is in the same category. The MiG 35 is as much a firstly 4th gen. machines as the latest F 16 and F 18 offered to India. In all possibilities the F 16 and F 18 would have superior avioncs especially the AESA/PAESA radar as compared to the MiG 35

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Surya » 18 Jan 2010 21:25

Deleted - wrong thread

Will post in MRCA thread
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 18 Jan 2010 21:30

ahem....

Naval discussion thread.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Singha » 18 Jan 2010 22:10

defence ministry confirms 2nd Mig29K deal

ET:

India says to sign fighter jet deal with Russia
18 Jan 2010, 2052 hrs IST, REUTERS

NEW DELHI: Russia will supply more than two dozen MiG-29 fighter jets to India's navy in a $1.2 billion deal to be finalised this week, a defence
ministry official said on Monday.

The proposed deal comes after the two countries agreed on a 10-year military pact in December to cover weapons development, aircraft and maintenance contracts worth more than $5 billion.

The agreement was signed during a trip to Russia by Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, reflecting the former Cold War allies' desire to maintain a close defence relationship.

"The deal will be finalised during a visit by a high-level Russian defence team later this week," Sitanshu Kar, a defence ministry spokesman, said in New Delhi.

The navy plans to buy 29 MiG-29 planes. Russia will also lease to India in 2010 its new Nerpa nuclear-powered submarine, Russian defence officials and Indian naval officers said earlier this month.

Russia, India's close economic and political partner since Soviet days, is one of the world's major arms exporters. During talks in the capital later this week, Indian defence officials will ask the Russian delegation to speed up delivery of pending military equipment, another defence official said.

New Delhi also complains of delays in supply of a refitted aircraft carrier, resulting in huge cost overrun and affecting military planning.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby rajeshks » 19 Jan 2010 01:15

Is Brahmos capable of sinking a ship of the size of 40000 ton?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rupesh » 19 Jan 2010 01:18

rajeshks wrote:Is Brahmos capable of sinking a ship of the size of 40000 ton?


u wan't to sink Vikramaditya or IAC :?: :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 19 Jan 2010 01:19

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story ... eting.html

Navy's SOS: Submarine force depleting
Shiv Aroor
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Headlines Today has access to an internal note sent by the navy to the government, which warns of unthinkable scenarios for national security if corrective action is not taken quickly.
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Former chief of naval staff Admiral Arun Prakash said the navy had been warning the government about the crisis since the early part of this decade. He said that while the government has cognizance of the matter it would be something to be very sorry about if no action was taken.

The navy has warned that in the next few years, its submarine strength could drop from 16 submarines to five - an unthinkable prospect for maritime security planners.

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The navy has a 30-year plan to buy or build 24 submarines. But even 10 years after the Cabinet approved the plan, not a single new submarine has entered service. Meanwhile, the navy has already initiated cases to retire two of its old Foxtrot submarines very shortly. And the first of its deadly Kilo-class submarines could be retired beginning 2013.

Through the report, the navy's uncertainty about the Chinese is also out in the open. The document says it will not be long before extended Chinese patrols enter the Indian Navy's area of responsibility. The Chinese naval capability will prove to be a limiting factor to the other regional navies, especially the Indian Navy.

Most ominously, these plans are already in motion. During 2009, 16 contacts were recorded with vessels suspected to be Chinese nuclear submarines on patrol outside their territorial waters.


The Indian Navy's own network of intelligence has corroborated three of these contacts - on February 16, July 23 and August 3 last year.


The navy report has made it clear that China has a proven deep-water ability and plans to flex more muscle in the years ahead.

Chinese nuclear submarines are currently only testing waters in the South China Sea, outside territorial waters. But in the next three years, the Indian Navy has warned that silent Chinese submarine patrols could begin crawling through the Indian Ocean with impunity.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 19 Jan 2010 01:21

rajeshks wrote:Is Brahmos capable of sinking a ship of the size of 40000 ton?

may not be outright sunk but a decent hit has a good chance of enough damage to achieve mission kill. make that 2-3 brahmos, which will be the norm against a large target and the chances improve considerably.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 19 Jan 2010 07:31

They should order more 4- 5 Kilo SSK in its modern avtar 636M if they think the Scorpene and 2nd line of sub is getting delayed and force level will be affected.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 19 Jan 2010 07:36

people should stop posting whatever their fancy takes in middle of a completely unrelated thread. I had a good mind to move the above OT posts to whine/trash thread. moved to military acquisitions thread in stead. next time I will delete them.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby negi » 19 Jan 2010 07:40

RU ship building Industry has been facing shortage of workers apart from financial issues , their major shipyards are already occupied with other IN and RUN projects I wonder if they would be able to show a fast turn around on 636Ms and given IN's track record of having the platform customized I don't see how these will be delivered within a similar time frame as the Scorpene. I wonder if U-214s might be a better bet as far as early delivery is concerned.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Vivek K » 19 Jan 2010 07:45

Rahul, that is your prerogative.
Ausitn how long do you think it will take to negotiate acquisition of 4-5 Kilos? Can they be rushed through like the government to government sales with the US?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 19 Jan 2010 07:56

Well as a customer you can always raise the priority and delivery schedule at a small cost overhead.

Since these guys (MOD/IN ) were sleeping for all these years now they may have to go for such quick purchase raising national security clause ( raison d'etre )

The Russian under normal circumstances can deliver the first 636M in the next 3 years and each additional sub every year , so 5 subs between 2013 - 2018 if contract is signed this year.

The Kilo has already been customised by IN during modernisation of existing Kilo including Sonar/Sensor are of NPOL/DRDO make , this will make customization faster that on any other or new sub.

Last but not the least a Kilo buy is a good buy on cost effectiveness ground without spending additional resources for raising new infrastructure or training manpower.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Austin » 19 Jan 2010 07:59

Vivek K wrote:Ausitn how long do you think it will take to negotiate acquisition of 4-5 Kilos? Can they be rushed through like the government to government sales with the US?


Yes they can fast track the purchase and get this done in the next 6 to 8 months , Kilo is well known to the IN so the real question will be is the real situation so bad as far as force level goes ? If Yes then they may be even negotiating on the background.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Jan 2010 08:25

since not even "talk" of the 2nd submarine line has surfaced to pardon a pun,
getting Rus built Kilos/Amurs seems only way out now. Kilo is preferable being the longer ranged and familiar system.

we also need to pull our pants up on getting medium range MPA to harass foreign submarines and type28 corvettes to chase them down.

and we have talked of NH90 since before my kid was born. now he is 5.5 . hope we dont wait until he marries to get them.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Cain Marko » 19 Jan 2010 08:51

Erm.. re. the quick injection of Kilos - why not akula(s) instead? How long will it take to refurbish a couple of more, if available? IIRC, they were scheduled to lease 2 anyway, one is the Nerpa and the other one was partially complete. Wasn't some Roosi chap quoted as saying that a lot more such leases are possible?

Point is, can these SSNs do the job of a Kilo since SSKs are supposedly super silent?

CM.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby negi » 19 Jan 2010 09:01

Strange are the ways of almighty and even the MoD :shock: , Jingo arguments about logistics ease of use, familiarity of platform fall flat when latter throws its weight around. Kilo's effectiveness and potential notwithstanding IN opted for the Scorpene last time they went for shopping , we don't know which platform will be chosen next time IN goes out for shopping for a second line of DE subs. :)

I see even Austin garu has moved away from his earlier stand on consolidating and building upon on the Scorpene line . :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby sum » 19 Jan 2010 09:03

Most ominously, these plans are already in motion. During 2009, 16 contacts were recorded with vessels suspected to be Chinese nuclear submarines on patrol outside their territorial waters.

The article is a bit misleading.

The programme on this was coming on HT channel yesterday where this memo was being shown on the camera.

The 16 incidents are taken from USN reports ( there was a table mentioning date and who sighted it ( CENTCOM, CBG-1 etc)). Three sightings were confirmed by Indian Naval intelligence.

The interesting thing i could sight in the report was the force levels given every 3 years ( if no new additions). In 2012, it was mentioned as 9+ 1 SSN whereas in 2015, it was mentioned as 5+1 SSN. Does it mean the ATV wont be online by even 2015? :-?

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Jan 2010 09:05

scorpene seems progressing at agonizing pace. for quick delivery it would have been better to get the first 3 made in france since we are comitted to making around 12 anyway. everyone would have got their meat and IN would have probably got the 1st one by now.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby negi » 19 Jan 2010 09:08

^ I guess that's pretty much on the cards just like with the MKI . Setting up Infra , training workers and then finally getting the construction programme rolling are time consuming processes in India.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby RayC » 19 Jan 2010 09:09

Austin wrote:
Since these guys (MOD/IN ) were sleeping for all these years now they may have to go for such quick purchase raising national security clause ( raison d'etre )



Shiv Aroor's report on Headline Today of 18 Jan 2010 with extensive details by Adm Bhagawat and Adm Arun Prakash indicates that the IN was not sleeping and instead in spite of all the efforts made by the IN, the MOD did not take action and nor is it taking action.

By 2020(?), if nothing is done, then IN will be reduced to 5 subs.

As per the Adms, IN requires 24 seaworthy subs to carry out its task.

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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Postby abhik » 19 Jan 2010 09:21

Singha wrote:since not even "talk" of the 2nd submarine line has surfaced to pardon a pun,
getting Rus built Kilos/Amurs seems only way out now. Kilo is preferable being the longer ranged and familiar system.

the guest retired Admiral (Bhagawat I think) on the Headlines today show revealed that the navy was pitching for the acquisition of the natural progression from the Sindhu- class from a "country with which we have had a long relationship" but the powers that be found the Scorpene deal "so advantageous ,for what reasons I will leave it to your viewers to comprihend"


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