Indian Army: News & Discussion

rajrang · Post by **rajrang** » 31 Jul 2011 23:19

Imagine a UN force located in India for some hypothetical reason. Assume there were Indian women having children out of wedlock. Would the above reactions and expectations of consequences be the same? I suspect there will be some relatively conservative segments of society that will be outraged.

In matters such as this, for some it is normal human behavior while for some it may be immoral.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 Aug 2011 06:37

How rude reality set in at Thagla

Tough words from Thagla

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 01 Aug 2011 06:51

What I read from the above was Kaul and Thapar were both yes men.
Kaul - with his "can do" but not in war zone simply translates to "yes sir" bureacrat. His agreeing to command from his hospital bed is an euphemism for putting his soldiers in grave danger.
Thapar insisting on Kaul to continue on DF minister "orders" shows him as yet another "yes sir" bureacrat without any spine, shows how much he cared about his position than his soldiers. Well that was exactly how Nehru wanted indian army to be. Shows Nehrus dictatorial quality and too bad, his dictatorial orders do not extend to China, which called his lack of spine.

Well that Nehru, Menon, Kaul and Thapar, the failed quadrite with each being rude and bossy to their juniors and supine to their superiors is actually well known.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 01 Aug 2011 07:51

According to R. Kidwai's book "24 Akbar Road", the Chinese have always gone out of their way to please the Gandhi-Nehru family. And the nehru gandhi dynasty have always been terrible for the armed forces (except Indira). Coincidence? I think not.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 Aug 2011 07:55

Inder Malhotra has written other articles on this topic (see cited articles in those links). But I have not read them.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 Aug 2011 08:03

And the slide towards sundown: May 9

How the Chinese challenge erupted: May 23

The long march to war: June 20

Grave mistakes after Galwan: July 4

Followed by 2 articles posted above

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 01 Aug 2011 19:02

rajrang wrote:Imagine a UN force located in India for some hypothetical reason. Assume there were Indian women having children out of wedlock. Would the above reactions and expectations of consequences be the same? I suspect there will be some relatively conservative segments of society that will be outraged.

In matters such as this, for some it is normal human behavior while for some it may be immoral.

The real shame would be the presence of foreign soldiers itself on Indian Soil(UN approved or otherwise).Every other issue is secondary.If the above situation ever takes place it is incumbent on every patriotic indian to start/join resistance.Foreign soldiers should never be allowed to set foot in India and in case they manage to do so , we should extract a heavy price on them(payable in blood only).

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 02 Aug 2011 00:12

rajrang wrote:Imagine a UN force located in India for some hypothetical reason. Assume there were Indian women having children out of wedlock. Would the above reactions and expectations of consequences be the same? I suspect there will be some relatively conservative segments of society that will be outraged.

In matters such as this, for some it is normal human behavior while for some it may be immoral.

Are you under the impression that there are no women of negotiable affections in India? Or that people have children 'out of wedlock'? Hell there have been chief ministers who flaunt such children.

As for outrage, what of it? Outrage is an inexpensive hobby. Are you planning on barring and investigating anything that a hypothetical "someone" is outraged by?

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 02 Aug 2011 01:39

exactly

In case anyone is still innocent a cursory check at the diplomatic enclaves and their attendant mistresses should suffice

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 02 Aug 2011 12:20

anjan wrote: Are you under the impression that there are no women of negotiable affections in India? Or that people have children 'out of wedlock'? Hell there have been chief ministers who flaunt such children.

As for outrage, what of it? Outrage is an inexpensive hobby. Are you planning on barring and investigating anything that a hypothetical "someone" is outraged by?

Well said, Sir!

In fact, here we have Sri ND Tiwari, former governor of Andhra Pradesh, found frolicking at the age of 90, in bed with naked teenage girls... and refusing to share DNA for a 30 year old paternity case! His argument before the honble court for not sharing DNA sample is "I am a freedom fighter". Apparently if one is a freedom fighter, one can have "children out of wedlock", and traipse with naked fillies, because damn it, hes earned it!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Aug 2011 13:19

I heard this first person many decades ago.Two senior bankers,who had business with the Ind.Exp. in Bombay were on a visit to that great institution's HQ at Nariman Point,Exp.Towers;discovered in chatting with their hosts that none other than that great freedom fighter and giant-killer who had dethroned the empress of India,Indira Gandhi herself,that great "Gandhian" JP Narayan,was a guest in the penthouse on the top floor.Eager to have "darshan" of the great man himself,they begged their hosts to be allowed to see him in the flesh.Calls were made and after a while they were "cleared" and were sent up to the penthouse.Upon arriving there they were greeted by an armed guard with an MG,who told them that all that they would be allowed was to walk down to the end of a long corridor,"put a peep" (as they say in Lanka) through the glass fench windows and view the great man.On no account would they be allowed to try and enter the penthouse and if they did ,they would be shot .Trembling with excitement at the thought of seeing their great hero ,the two quickly crept up to the glazed windows and "put a peep".Lo and behold! What did they allegedly see,but the great man himself cavorting with several nubile nymphets ! They were stunned and speechless and rapidly made a speedy exit from the vicinity before the guard caught them watching the great man taking his pleasure!

This appears to be the way of many celebrated Freedom Fighters,NDT is not alone but merely guilty of copying their example.After all ,did not the Mahatama himself sleep with not one but two naked nymphets (that two of his own kin) himself! As they say,"vice is nice,but incest is best"!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Aug 2011 13:33

anjan wrote:
rajrang wrote:Imagine a UN force located in India for some hypothetical reason. Assume there were Indian women having children out of wedlock. Would the above reactions and expectations of consequences be the same? I suspect there will be some relatively conservative segments of society that will be outraged.

In matters such as this, for some it is normal human behavior while for some it may be immoral.
Are you under the impression that there are no women of negotiable affections in India? Or that people have children 'out of wedlock'? Hell there have been chief ministers who flaunt such children.

As for outrage, what of it? Outrage is an inexpensive hobby. Are you planning on barring and investigating anything that a hypothetical "someone" is outraged by?

anjan ji,

Forget about the UN peace keeping force.

Come to Bangalore and check out the numerous "women of negotiable affections"

( what a polished phrase!

), the local lasses who hang about with the arabs and other foreigners.

This has been the eternal scene in Bangalore for decades now. This is done only for financial gains (lady) and personal sport (foreigner). It's just the same everywhere.

What's wrong with it? Both parties are (mostly

) adults and presumably consensual.

This is a question as old as the human race. It happens the world over. Did it not happen in "cultured" france with pretty french women and the nazis?? A fairly good lot of the pretty french women would certainly have wound up preggers, no?

Later on the very cultured french (and the very same) ladies consorted with the americans and the world still continued to go round.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Aug 2011 18:11

yes and no

in france all women who were suspected of having consorted with nazis were publicly vilified and had their heads shaved (in the town square in front of a baying mob)

that said, quite a few got away with it too

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 02 Aug 2011 18:34

Philip wrote:I heard this first person many decades ago.Two senior bankers,who had business with the Ind.Exp. in Bombay were on a visit to that great institution's HQ at Nariman Point,Exp.Towers;discovered in chatting with their hosts that none other than that great freedom fighter and giant-killer who had dethroned the empress of India,Indira Gandhi herself,that great "Gandhian" JP Narayan,was a guest in the penthouse on the top floor.Eager to have "darshan" of the great man himself,they begged their hosts to be allowed to see him in the flesh.Calls were made and after a while they were "cleared" and were sent up to the penthouse.Upon arriving there they were greeted by an armed guard with an MG,who told them that all that they would be allowed was to walk down to the end of a long corridor,"put a peep" (as they say in Lanka) through the glass fench windows and view the great man.On no account would they be allowed to try and enter the penthouse and if they did ,they would be shot .Trembling with excitement at the thought of seeing their great hero ,the two quickly crept up to the glazed windows and "put a peep".Lo and behold! What did they allegedly see,but the great man himself cavorting with several nubile nymphets ! They were stunned and speechless and rapidly made a speedy exit from the vicinity before the guard caught them watching the great man taking his pleasure!

This appears to be the way of many celebrated Freedom Fighters,NDT is not alone but merely guilty of copying their example.After all ,did not the Mahatama himself sleep with not one but two naked nymphets (that two of his own kin) himself! As they say,"vice is nice,but incest is best"!

Philip ji , I am sure that the above story is wrong.The two senior bankers were in all probability lying.JP was a man of very high integrity and character wrt both money and women.No doubt he was a socialist(an obsolete ideology) but as far as his personal character goes he was head and shoulders above the rest.Most probably the above episode is a rumor propagated by Congress in order to denigrate him.

Infact he died in 1979 and was on deathbed long before that.It is highly unlikely that he would have been in physical condition to have a romp.

JP is probably the most understated leader of the last century.But without him this country would be dictatorship.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Aug 2011 18:45

there was an article in TOI print edition a few days back about a certain number of women in BLR looking for rich sugar daddies to pick them up in posh hotels and wine and dine them in fine style, following which they'd go away for a few hours together and later she would be dropped back at the hotel to her car.
the tone of the article suggested these were not desperate street walkers or victims of pimps, but well employed and educated free agents who were in it for the lifestyle, lavish gifts and experiences. most were probably not doing it purely for money.

the hotel authorities are powerless to do anything since technically its not at all a crime, no soliciting, no exchange of money in public, no drugs involved...just free agents 'bonding' together by chemical reactions.

Gurinder P · Post by **Gurinder P** » 02 Aug 2011 18:47

Seriously guys, this is going way OT. Leave it at this:
What goes on in peoples bedrooms is none of my business or yours! Anything after that is family matters, therefore there is no need for society to call Sutur to rise and raise Ragnarok over this matter.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 02 Aug 2011 18:50

^^^+1. Been watching this thread since my last post yesterday.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Aug 2011 19:24

May I remind folks that this is the Indian Army News and Discussion thread?

Thanks, ramana

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 04 Aug 2011 22:06

Chindits: Soon After Indo-Pak Talks, Pakistan's Border Area Team (BAT) Behead Indian Soldiers In Kupwara's 19 Div----Rajput Regt In Question

According to the sitrep (situation report), it mentions four soldiers being beheaded.

VikB · Post by **VikB** » 04 Aug 2011 22:48

^^^ She better be 100% right on this one.

RIP

sourab_c · Post by **sourab_c** » 04 Aug 2011 23:08

She mentions that the incident happened on July 1st. How can such a news go unnoticed for a month?

jimmy_moh · Post by **jimmy_moh** » 04 Aug 2011 23:10

it is fake

saip · Post by **saip** » 04 Aug 2011 23:14

I read some thing like this in Dawn.

Last week, infiltrating militants shot dead four Indian soldiers in the same district of Kupwara.

Link

May be there is some truth in it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Aug 2011 23:25

sourab_c wrote:She mentions that the incident happened on July 1st. How can such a news go unnoticed for a month?

She says August 1st.

The Dawn report pretends its terrorists and kind of confirms the information by giving the number.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Aug 2011 23:38

Here is confirmation of the incident but not the details.

The following news report could turn out ot be explosive. Chindit blogger Suman Sharma says the terrorists were a PAki BAT and gruesome activity happened.

3 Soldiers killed in Kupwara

3 soldiers killed in Kupwara
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Srinagar, July 31: Three Army soldiers were killed and two others injured in a fierce gun-battle with militants near the Line of Control in Kupwara district last night, official sources said here.

Soldiers of 19 Rajput Rifles of the Army noticed movement of heavily-armed militants near Temple Post at Furkian Gali near LoC late last evening, the sources said.

They said the militants were challenged by the soldiers but the ultras opened firing, leading to heavy exchange of firing between the two sides.

Two soldiers died on the spot while three others were injured, the sources said, adding one of the injured soldier succumbed to injuries at 92 Base Hospital at Badamibagh cantonment here.

The sources said the militants have managed to break free from the army cordon and might have slipped back across the LoC to Pakistan-administered Kashmir. However, the army said the operation was still in progress.

“We have foiled yet another bid by militants to infiltrate into this side of LoC from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, our three soldiers died. Operation is still on in the area,” Srinagar based Defence spokesman told Greater Kashmir.

This is the second infiltration bid from across the LoC in the last three days.

An infiltration bid was foiled on July 27 when foreign ministers of India and Pakistan were holding talks in New Delhi. A JCO was killed and two jawans injured in that operation.

Last update on : Sun, 31 Jul 2011

jai · Post by **jai** » 05 Aug 2011 01:29

Such incidents need to be paid back in kind...the Gurkha way. These $&@¥$#%@ have historically proven not to understand anything else

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 05 Aug 2011 05:18

BATs are notorious joint PA-Jehadi units.

Pakistan's Border Area Team, also called BAT, stormed inside Kupwara's 19 Rajput battalion,....

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 05 Aug 2011 06:30

Gurus I heard from a chaiwala posted on sarhad about baki sasur sagur gandu are always given tasks as part for their graduation to desh soldiers and parts as a trophy, any knowledge on this before. Chaiwala is reliable cannot paste more details.

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 Aug 2011 08:41

The following news report could turn out ot be explosive. Chindit blogger Suman Sharma says the terrorists were a PAki BAT and gruesome activity happened.

Sorry but what exactly is explosive in this? Am sure GoI will downplay this to avoid "negative vibes" on recent peace talks just like it downplayed Vijay Diwas and the Babur incident....

Am somehow still not convinced this is true news since such a major thing CANNOT go unnoticed esp with even DDM not as friendly and indulgent towards Pak as earlier..

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 05 Aug 2011 13:16

Well, as for things going unnoticed, they can become visible only if the protagonist and antagonist decides to share information. In case of IA, they shared information in the way they deemed fit. The piglets shared the way they deem fit in the news item someone posted.

Now, coming to Suman Sharma, that information is a plant - whether it is correct or not, is yet to be decided. The reason I say it is a plant is because unless one talks to someone in the know - either from the area or from senior HQ where this information would have been relayed - there is no way one can find out about anything happening on the LoC. This looks more like 'Langar gup' (army parlance for grapevine) picked up over a patiala in some officers institute or a party.

Second point - the news item about soldiers killed in CI Ops talks about them belonging to 19 Rajput and that one died in Base Hospital. While Suman's post says that she is not sure about the unit of soldiers. Also, the number she says is 4 and not 3 (as per media reports of soldiers killed in CI Ops).

So, lets wait for more news. And, IMO, such news items are difficult to suppress - especially, once the bodies reach their loved ones and IA needs to give an explanation for what happened.

However, rest assured, such things never-ever go w/o retribution. If true, this will a big challenge to the izzat of the paltan and IA. And men are known to take extreme measures for far less - this is a grave provocation. Also, certain fellows are know to go across and avenge such happenings and with vengence.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 05 Aug 2011 13:20

rohitvats wrote: Also, certain fellows are know to go across and avenge such happenings and with vengence.

Anything you can share ?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 05 Aug 2011 13:28

AdityaM wrote:
rohitvats wrote: Also, certain fellows are know to go across and avenge such happenings and with vengence.
Anything you can share ?

Nothing.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Aug 2011 16:18

However, rest assured, such things never-ever go w/o retribution

Yup - at a time of our choosing

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 05 Aug 2011 18:02

also remember, paquis like to spread propagandu about the number of headchoppings they have done. if you read the bio's of any LET#3-768 then each has beheaded atleast one yindoo afsar who was invariably begging for his life in a shivering camoflague dhoti, blahblah blah

ManishH · Post by **ManishH** » 05 Aug 2011 22:03

Reminds me of another barbaric incident (pre Kargil) with Maratha LI soldiers who defended to their last breath a bunker surrounded on 3 sides by Paki.

That incident involved flame throwers.

ManishH · Post by **ManishH** » 05 Aug 2011 22:05

Lalmohan: Headchopping jehadi fiction makes it to PTV fauji serials (rightly called "dramas") too! Something in Paki mentality derives perverse pleasure from mindless butchery (even if fictional).

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 05 Aug 2011 22:13

ManishH wrote:Lalmohan: Headchopping jehadi fiction makes it to PTV fauji serials (rightly called "dramas") too! Something in Paki mentality derives perverse pleasure from mindless butchery (even if fictional).

It's in the culture. Arab TV serials regularly describe the terrible defeats inflicted on the Israelis in every war. Mussalmans cannot be publicly shown to be defeated.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 06 Aug 2011 13:45

Jammu and Kashmir: Two jawans beheaded by militants
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story ... 47238.html

A senior Army official, requesting anonymity, disclosed that the two men of Kumaon regiment were killed and their heads were chopped off. Their bodies were also mutilated, he said.

The incident happened around Pak foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar's visit to the country, in the last week of July, disclosed the officer.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 06 Aug 2011 14:13

This has to be met with retaliatory action,the stupid talks going on are just nonsense, which we keep falling for all the time. Btw this news is in the J&K News and Discussions Thread also.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 06 Aug 2011 14:17

shravan wrote:Jammu and Kashmir: Two jawans beheaded by militants
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story ... 47238.html

A senior Army official, requesting anonymity, disclosed that the two men of Kumaon regiment were killed and their heads were chopped off. Their bodies were also mutilated, he said.

The incident happened around Pak foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar's visit to the country, in the last week of July, disclosed the officer.

My message to all the pakis who are reading this post.At the time and place of our choosing we will pay you back with interest.And I leave it to your imagination what we will do to you.