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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Bala Vignesh » 06 Aug 2011 14:48

Like Rohitmiyan said, this is a mucho grave mark on the honour of the battalion, which will be returned with full interest at the earliest opportunity.

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Postby Austin » 06 Aug 2011 16:31

not sure if this was posted

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby nitinr » 07 Aug 2011 01:11

how the hell can those impotents at the top of political machinery see this and not do anything.. enuff of bhaichara..

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby AdityaM » 07 Aug 2011 01:59

Y has the beheading news been suppressed by TV news?

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Vashishtha » 07 Aug 2011 02:29

Y has the beheading news been suppressed by TV news?


Thats the last thing wimpmohan singh wants.....

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 07 Aug 2011 07:35

Aman ki asha. BTW hats off to Suman Sharma for breaking the news!!!!

Beheaded jawans cremated in a hurry
August 07, 2011 1:22:34 AM
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Srinagar/Dehradun/ Haldwani
Reporters: Khursheed Wani/Sunil Kumar/ Rajendra Markuna
Militants didn’t mutilate, says Army; doesn’t let families see bodies

Two badly mutilated bodies of soldiers have raised passion in the rank and file of the Army against heavily-armed infiltrators who have increased frequency of attempts to sneak into the Kashmir valley to perpetuate acts of violence.

The Army says that the bodies were mutilated in a fierce gunfight in Farkian Gali sector of Kupwara on July 30. But some reports claim that the infiltrators caught hold of the soldiers of the Kumaon Regiment, beheaded them and took away their heads as war trophies before badly mutilating the bodies. The infiltrator group hasn’t been identified so far, sources maintained.

The family members of Hawaldar Jaipal Singh Adhikari and Lance Naik Devender Singh, whose headless bodies were sent to their native places, were not allowed to see the mutilated bodies.

Though Jaipal Singh Adhikari’s family members were inconsolable when his completely wrapped body was brought here by the Army, none knew that there was more to the version handed out to them — that Adhikari was killed in a grenade blast.

With the information of militants having beheaded two Army jawans in Kupwara region, where Adhikari was posted, trickling in, questions are being asked if Adhikari was one of them. Thirty six-year-old Adhikari was a native of Asgola village, Dwarahat in Almora. He joined the Army in 1994. Jaipal’s family including his wife Beena and two children had recently shifted to Himmatpur, Talla, Haldwani. He was about to join his family in August.

Pushpesh Tripathi, MLA from Dwarahat, who was present during the cremation, told The Pioneer that the ‘body’ which was brought in the casket did not even have limbs.

“Army authorities told the martyr’s father about the unfortunate death and took his permission for token cremation, which was done with full State honours,” said Tripathi.

The defence spokesman claimed that four infiltrators were also shot down while they tried to escape into Pakistan, their bodies were spotted on the other side of LoC but they could not be retrieved by the Army.

“The entire group of infiltrators has been pushed back and their bid foiled,” the spokesman claimed. However, sources said the infiltrators had enough time to catch hold of the soldiers and mutilate their bodies.

Defence spokesman Lt Col Jagmohan Singh Brar conceded that the bodies were badly mutilated but denied the claim that they were beheaded and heads taken away as war trophies by the militants.

“There was a fierce gun-battle at the LoC in which two soldiers died on the spot while another critically injured soldier, who was evacuated to 92 Base Hospital, succumbed later,” he said. “When a soldier receives a full burst of fire from an automatic weapon, everyone knows what happens to the body,” he said, explaining the gory state of the bodies.

Brar said that the frequency of infiltration bids had increased during past two weeks as infiltrators were making efforts to enter the Valley before the onset of winter season. Defence sources said July and August are the choicest months for infiltrators to redouble their efforts to infiltrate as the mountain passes have least or zero accumulation of snow.

Army says that it is fully geared up to face the challenge of infiltration. Earlier this week, Army Chief Gen VK Singh along-with Northern Commander Lt Gen Parnaik and Chinar Corps Commander Lt Gen Syed Atta Hasnain visited forward posts to check preparedness to block the ingress of heavily-armed militants.

Sources said the Army has launched a massive combing operation along the Line of Control in the twin border districts of Kupwara and Baramulla following reports of fresh infiltration bids by militants in smaller groups. Sources said around 50 infiltrators sneaked in during past two weeks and the Army is trying to engage and eliminate them in areas closer to the LoC.

The latest two infiltration bids were made on August 5 but the Army foiled them at the cost of death of a jawan in Kupwara. During the two weeks, amid enhanced frequency of infiltration attempts, four infiltrators and five soldiers including a junior officer were killed.

Relatives and other locals joined the Adhikari family in mourning the death of the Uttarakhand native as did military personnel, representatives from the local administrative and social activists.

Bruised martyrdom

Some reports claim that infiltrators caught hold of two soldiers of the Kumaon Regiment, beheaded them and took away their heads as war trophies before badly mutilating the bodies.

Army says the bodies were mutilated in a fierce gunfight in Farkian Gali sector of Kupwara on July 30.

Defence spokesman claims that four infiltrators were also shot down while they tried to escape into Pakistan; their bodies were spotted on the other side of the LoC but they could not be retrieved by the Army.

Dwarahat MLA Pushpesh Tripathi, who was present during the cremation, told The Pioneer that the ‘body’ which was brought in the casket did not even have limbs.



I think the Army is also responsible for this incident due to its never ready status. All they do is squabble for their seniority and perks. Birth certificate issues are their priroty nd not the lives of their soldiers. Recall even in Kargil TSP did mutilation on six soldiers and all that IA did was to protest to Red Cross who declined to note the mutilation.

Hope they are happy now!!!
And RAW is busy selling out to US. All their ranks have US proxies.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby uddu » 07 Aug 2011 09:30

Don't blame the lower ranks. All the responsibility rests with the leader of the nation. Sadly we have a leader
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who is so interested in making Pakistan prosperous. :cry:
Jab Neta is without any leadership qualities and is not a leader in any way, what can you expect.
If we had someone like Putin or atleast someone like Modi in aggressiveness, imagine what will be our response.

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Postby ASPuar » 07 Aug 2011 09:50

@Ramana: The Army hardly gets its due. Those seniority and so called perks are actually their rights, which have been manipulated away. It has nothing to do with operational readiness.

If allowed, just see what sort of muh-tod jawab the army will give these bloody Pakis. But our eunuch government goes out of its way to hamper and demoralise the army!

If the air chief gives a simple response on what we will do in case of a first strike, the RM wants to chastise him for it.

If the Army chief gives a simple answer on capabilities, the RM has a problem.

Is it ANY WONDER that the Pakis are excited and acting up? Our government is headed by people with the security mindset of a mouse. And theyre unwilling, thanks to manipulation by babus, to take advice from their Armed Forces professionals!

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby rohitvats » 07 Aug 2011 10:52

ramana wrote:
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I think the Army is also responsible for this incident due to its never ready status. All they do is squabble for their seniority and perks. Birth certificate issues are their priroty nd not the lives of their soldiers. Recall even in Kargil TSP did mutilation on six soldiers and all that IA did was to protest to Red Cross who declined to note the mutilation.

<SNIP>


So, what matters more than the loss of those soldiers, is the perceived loss of pride and honor of BRFites? Who, of course, hold the honor of this country to a standard higher than those in uniform and IA is guilty as charged for not meeting those exalted standards. After all, what sense of honor and pride does the IA have? Them are incompetent fools only after promotions and next bottle of scotch.

I'm sure we can invite them incompetent afsars to next BR meet and take them through a ppt on H&D....that should teach them a thing or two. And while we're at it, might as well through some slides on operational readiness and how to go about CI Ops.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby negi » 07 Aug 2011 11:38

ASPuar IA is essentially an implement of the GoI you cannot call one eunuch and put another on some different pedestal. They are same onlee.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby ASPuar » 07 Aug 2011 12:15

@Negi:

Totally incorrect. The Army functions at the orders of the political authority. It does what its told. If the political authority doesnt have the wits to take its advice, it is not the armys fault, beyond the failure of the General staff in making their views understood. We are fortunate to have a system where the armed forces are subordinate to the civil power. Unfortunately, we have not appreciated this system, and as a country, have instead only abused the forces, with the political authority largely abdicating all responsibility to the bureaucracy. The civil authority that is supposed to exercise control of our armed forces are our elected representatives, not bureaucrats.

Secondly, the army is not the "same onlee", because it verifiably is more efficient at performing any allotted task. This is why half the time, tasks which should be done by the civil admin are handed over to it. Most of this is because of the accountability brought by the army act. Unlike civil servants, army officers can be fired, and even imprisoned for not doing their jobs properly.

There is a huge difference. There is no point trying to pretend there is not.

So in response to your statement, I am perfectly comfortable holding the one up as an example of how things should be done, and the other up as an example of how they definitely should NOT be done. Even the most well meaning and dedicated civil servant gets subsumed into the system eventually.

"Same onlee" is the clarion call of those in the civil govt sector who are keen to pull the army down to their own level, because the efficiency of the armed forces is throwing their bad systems, laziness, and poor work ethic into sharp relief

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Arjunn » 07 Aug 2011 12:36

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I think it is the puki frustration at knowing that they can never compete and win against India that leads to such acts of cruelty. After osama killing and PNS Mehran incidents, the spirit of the puki armed forces is broken and in doldrums with their ego crushed. The inferiority complex and feelings of insecurity that are inbred in the pukis just got massively increased; thus the cruelty and butchery exhibited vis a viz the above gruesome act is the hallmark of such people who are mentally unstable.

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Postby Yogi_G » 07 Aug 2011 13:36

Fidel Guevara wrote:
ManishH wrote:Lalmohan: Headchopping jehadi fiction makes it to PTV fauji serials (rightly called "dramas") too! Something in Paki mentality derives perverse pleasure from mindless butchery (even if fictional).


It's in the culture. Arab TV serials regularly describe the terrible defeats inflicted on the Israelis in every war. Mussalmans cannot be publicly shown to be defeated.


Must be done to justify their claims of Mughal/Turkic genes. Mughals (crude Mongol descendants) were known to follow the Mongol "tradition" of heaping the heads of the slain enemy soldiers. I was reminded of this when I first came to know that our 2 soldier brothers were beheaded and their heads could be used as possible trophies.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby arun » 07 Aug 2011 14:58

PratikDas wrote:Chindits: Soon After Indo-Pak Talks, Pakistan's Border Area Team (BAT) Behead Indian Soldiers In Kupwara's 19 Div----Rajput Regt In Question
According to the sitrep (situation report), it mentions four soldiers being beheaded.


shravan wrote:Jammu and Kashmir: Two jawans beheaded by militants
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story ... 47238.html

A senior Army official, requesting anonymity, disclosed that the two men of Kumaon regiment were killed and their heads were chopped off. Their bodies were also mutilated, he said.

The incident happened around Pak foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar's visit to the country, in the last week of July, disclosed the officer.


The story started by Suman Sharma on the beheading of Indian Soldiers and carried thereafter among others by India Today has been flatly denied by the Indian Army.

All this is starting to leave me to wonder if this was another attempt by Suman Sharma to boost traffic to her blog after the previous attempt of boosting traffic by claiming that she would make available first pictures of the Arihant to a chosen few lucky souls

Any way back to story on the beheadings being debunked and Major General Sanjeev Madhok., Additional Director General (Public Information) on the matter:

"The story is incorrect with respect to beheading (of soldiers). It belittles the sacrifices made by our soldiers and is also hurting the feeling of families and the Army".

From Here:

Beheading row:Army rejects report

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Gurinder P » 07 Aug 2011 15:17

Okay, now I am very confused. Did any beheadings against IA happen or not?

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby rohitvats » 07 Aug 2011 15:47

One needs to understand the beheading angle, if true, from the right perspective.

I think what everyone (or most) here are assuming that the soldiers were captured and then beheaded - something like what Taliban has been doing to TSPA. However, it is equally likely that the bodies of dead soldiers could have fallen to other side of LoC (like what the IA press release says) and the same were mutilated by the TSPA. The chances of the former happing are very-very rare - unless, the soldiers were really overwhelmed in numbers or were cut-off from the main body or injured and left alone. Again, very dim possibility. The chances of latter are higher.But then, did the TSPA hand over the bodies to us?

What will help solve the puzzle would be information about sighting of the own post/ambush wrt TSPA positions. There are just too many unkowns to comment why did something like this happen.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Arjunn » 07 Aug 2011 16:43

What rohitvatsji is saying makes the most sense and also I would take the word of the army over the words of cheap publicity hunting people like Suman Sharma.

Yogi ji, their claims of whatever genes is camouflage for their deep-seated identity crisis, insecurity at large and inferiority complex. Likewise, their practice of teaching their schoolchildren negative propaganda about Indians is their attempt at overcoming the above-mentioned deep-seated complexes that constantly plagues and tortures their psyche all their lives and this just intensified ever since being comprehensively whipped by India and losing Bangladesh with the puki army suffering moral castration at our hands. Now ever since the abbotabad incident where the americans killed osama right under their noses while they sat happily unknowing with their thumbs twiddling their ar$es, the sense of being castrated just doubled. It would seem that PA must be dispensing Viarga in huge quantities to their officers and soldiers to keep them from losing their wives now that they have lost their manhood to the americans.

It would also seem that the puki navy is now polluting the arabian sea in spite of their collective thumbs blocking the free flow from their ar$es after the PNS mehran incident. They are it seems removing all their warships from that base and moving them to baluchistan. :rotfl:

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Postby sum » 07 Aug 2011 20:41

^^ Wasnt the LoC almost watertight now with virtually every movement being recorded?

How can a BAT team storm across, raid a div HQ and carry off 4 heads without drawing any action either during ingress/egress ( assuming they cut the fence to get in)?


Also,
You must understand that when there is heavy firing some amount of mutilation does take place," Madhok said.

What does this statement mean?

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Thomas Kolarek » 07 Aug 2011 20:46

Such actions calls for blood, for 4 soldiers lost we need 40 heads to be rolled off quicker :evil: Just create fear factor within the enemy and raise our morals. We need ruthless reactions now and not useless talks.

PratikDas wrote:Chindits: Soon After Indo-Pak Talks, Pakistan's Border Area Team (BAT) Behead Indian Soldiers In Kupwara's 19 Div----Rajput Regt In Question
According to the sitrep (situation report), it mentions four soldiers being beheaded.

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Postby negi » 07 Aug 2011 20:58

ASPuar things are not B&W; many a times decision to not take any action is mutual it's childish to assume that General staff has no say in Government's final decision. This tendency to draw a very thick line between IA command and GoI to show one as a good cop and other as bad is laughable when there are examples from history to confirm that decisions good/bad were at the end of the day mutual to name a few, sloppy coordination amongst the services during Kargil vs the 1971 war.

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Postby rohitvats » 07 Aug 2011 22:08

sum wrote:^^ Wasnt the LoC almost watertight now with virtually every movement being recorded?

How can a BAT team storm across, raid a div HQ and carry off 4 heads without drawing any action either during ingress/egress ( assuming they cut the fence to get in)?


Also,
You must understand that when there is heavy firing some amount of mutilation does take place," Madhok said.

What does this statement mean?


sum,

First thing first - where did this Div HQ come into picture? 28 Div HQ is far to the rear of LoC.

You seem to have formed an idealistic image of LoC and fencing being some sort of Berlin Wall. It is to the rear of Indian positions on LoC. The attack was most likely on Indian position on LoC or on some patrol/ambush party forward to fencing.

Please see this graphic as to where fencing is located wrt LoC:http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080911/images/11zzlocbig.jpg

As for mutilation in heavy firing, just type bullet wound/blast wound in google to see what a body looks like after being subjected to high explosives or automatic fire.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Avik » 07 Aug 2011 22:27

This tendency to draw a very thick line between IA command and GoI to show one as a good cop and other as bad is laughable


Sure...but am wondering if you would extend the same logic to the Navy allowing one of its ships to sink at harbour or allowing a capital ship to get rear-ended by the Pakis? What stopped the IN from doing anything in the Godavari incident then...surely its not the GoI..or is it?

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Postby Bala Vignesh » 07 Aug 2011 22:36

rohitvats wrote:
You seem to have formed an idealistic image of LoC and fencing being some sort of Berlin Wall. It is to the rear of Indian positions on LoC. The attack was most likely on Indian position on LoC or on some patrol/ambush party forward to fencing.

Rohitmiyan,
If the fencing is behind Indian positions in the LoC, and soldiers patrol the inside of the fencing for COIN and CT ops, how and who occupies our positions along the LoC?? How do these guys get in that position and get supplied there???
If there is a gate like feature in the fencing to facilitate movements across the fence to our positions on the line???
If the question is too pointed to answer in the open forum, kindly ping me @ djvignesh at gmail.com..

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Postby rohitvats » 07 Aug 2011 22:46

^^^Nothing too pointed about it.

The actual posts are suitably located along the LoC - in some cases in eye-ball to eye-ball confrontaton. There are enough pics of gates/passages along the fence to facilitate the movement of men and material.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby ASPuar » 07 Aug 2011 22:47

negi wrote:ASPuar things are not B&W; many a times decision to not take any action is mutual it's childish to assume that General staff has no say in Government's final decision. This tendency to draw a very thick line between IA command and GoI to show one as a good cop and other as bad is laughable when there are examples from history to confirm that decisions good/bad were at the end of the day mutual to name a few, sloppy coordination amongst the services during Kargil vs the 1971 war.


You are right. The very idea of a good cop-bad cop analogy is laughable. And that is why I have not made it. There are equally plenty of instances from history, of MoD/GoI screwing the pooch, to the detriment of the armed forces. 1948, 1962, and the more recent 2002 Op Parakram are just a few examples....

There is a clear delineation of thinking in MoD. Things have reached a stage where there IS INDEED a very thick line between MoD and Service HQ, which is apparent not only to all commentators and observers, but also to the enemy. And make no mistake, they take it into account when making their calculations.

Service HQ do have a say. But it is not the final say, and the final say is in the hands of neither of those who are accountable (the military, because they die when things go wrong, and the politicians, because theyre fired by the people when things go wrong). The final say in MoD is in the hands of the bureaucrats, and most perniciously, in the hands of financial bureaucrats.

As to "sloppy" coordination, I havent a clue what that has to do with your original contention of pedestals etc. Noone thinks service HQ is infallible. Much of the Army's rank and status downfall is due to them. CDS didnt come about because AY Tipnis went to town screaming he wont wear it. But I certainly do think service HQ can do without unnecessary hindering and wrecking by feckless bureaucrats providing spurious "advice" to the political leadership.

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Postby manum » 07 Aug 2011 22:52

Its very important that we make them pay and then ask the reasons...I am realizing in our institutionalized life everyone has reasons...and mostly pride takes the back seat than reasoning...
and we were talking about precision strikes, its best time to test such things...but then lets study for few months and know the reasons...

I know, I know, I am very less aware of ground realities...

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby ASPuar » 07 Aug 2011 22:53

Avik wrote:
This tendency to draw a very thick line between IA command and GoI to show one as a good cop and other as bad is laughable


Sure...but am wondering if you would extend the same logic to the Navy allowing one of its ships to sink at harbour or allowing a capital ship to get rear-ended by the Pakis? What stopped the IN from doing anything in the Godavari incident then...surely its not the GoI..or is it?


1. The accident board determined it was an error by the Captain of the merchant ship which caused the incident. So there is no question of "allowing" anything.

2. No Capital ship was "rear ended". There was a collision incident caused by Paki misadventure. But nothing could be "done" about it without GoI approval. To open fire would be an act of war. And that is noones prerogative but the Political leaderships.

But, Avik, this is the Army thread, so why dont you take this query to the Navy thread for any future discussion?

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby negi » 07 Aug 2011 23:41

Avik wrote:Sure...but am wondering if you would extend the same logic to the Navy allowing one of its ships to sink at harbour or allowing a capital ship to get rear-ended by the Pakis?

Yes of course.

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Postby sum » 08 Aug 2011 08:51

First thing first - where did this Div HQ come into picture? 28 Div HQ is far to the rear of LoC.

My bad...somehow, i had read the Chindits reports as "BAT had stormed div HQ". Re-read it and found that there was no reference to HQ anywhere.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Arjunn » 08 Aug 2011 12:57

Avik ji, a professional never loses cool and remains calm in the face of any situation. A Indian navy captain is always an epitome of professionalism. The exhibition by the packi captain indicated not only deficiency in training of the officer corps of the PN but also the psychological volatility induced by the "castration syndrome" I have mentioned above where they are willing to endanger their ships and men for minor egoistic impulses. In the event of war, where calm levelheaded thinking like that of the IN is of utmost importance, such people as the captain of Babur become feed for new coral reefs at the bottom of the sea.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Avik » 08 Aug 2011 13:44

1. The accident board determined it was an error by the Captain of the merchant ship which caused the incident. So there is no question of "allowing" anything.

2. No Capital ship was "rear ended". There was a collision incident caused by Paki misadventure. But nothing could be "done" about it without GoI approval. To open fire would be an act of war. And that is noones prerogative but the Political leaderships.

But, Avik, this is the Army thread, so why dont you take this query to the Navy thread for any future discussion?


AS Puar: My question was directed to Negi regarding an assertion he had made about the IA's response (or lack of it) to provocations and whether or not the GoI ties its hands. He has duly responded.

Avik ji, a professional never loses cool and remains calm in the face of any situation. A Indian navy captain is always an epitome of professionalism.


Sure...I do know a couple of things about how the IA responds.....

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby Arjunn » 08 Aug 2011 14:04

sum wrote:
First thing first - where did this Div HQ come into picture? 28 Div HQ is far to the rear of LoC.

My bad...somehow, i had read the Chindits reports as "BAT had stormed div HQ". Re-read it and found that there was no reference to HQ anywhere.


Like rohitvats ji mentions in the previous page, it would more likely have been an ambush on a routine border patrol and then while fleeing they might have mutilated the dead bodies. Shows you how deep the castration syndrome pervades the PA.

The packi armed forces are used to dropping their pants and kneeling when any american approaches them. Then they moan, groan and bitch about how the americans use them. Imagine the psychological scarring this slave mentality has been causing them on top of the humiliation of knowing they can never beat the Indians militarily no matter what leftovers the americans throw at them for providing them satisfaction. Mutilating dead bodies would be an ideal sport for them to assuage these deep-seated self-loathing-induced psychopathic tendencies.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby jimmy_moh » 08 Aug 2011 18:26

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/jk-army-kill ... 006-3.html

Srinagar: In another case of mistaken identity the Indian Army has killed a wrong person claiming he was a suspected Lashkar-e-Toiba divisional commander Abu Usman alias Adnan. Jammu and Kashmir Police sources say that the suspected terrorist killed in Surankote on Sunday is actually a civilian and has been identified as Ashok Kumar.

Two army soldiers involved in the alleged encounter have reportedly revealed that they had killed the wrong man.

Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP), Poonch, Ashkoor Wani had on Sunday claimed that a team of 25 Rastriya Rifles (RR) and Jammu and Kashmir Police had on Sunday launched a search operation in Mehrota in Surankote tehsil of Jammu district late Saturday night after receiving specific information about the presence of two top LeT terrorists.

Abu Usman was killed during the encounter and a pistol along with some ammunition recovered from the spot of the encounter.



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Postby ASPuar » 09 Aug 2011 01:35

Jimmy Moh, that is not the complete news. The army has also stated that it was given wrong information by a SOG policeman, and acted upon it accordingly, thinking that he was telling the truth. He may have done it to settle some personal score with the deceased.

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Postby Airavat » 12 Aug 2011 11:17

Terror camps intact in Pakistan: Gen VK Singh

Inter-acting with troops in forward posts of Lalyali in Sunderbani and Kachryal in Pallanwalla on the LoC, Gen Singh on last day of his two days visit to Jammu region, called upon the troops to remain vigilant and alert as Pakistan hasn’t dismantled the camps and the militants were still lodged there waiting for an opportunity to sneak-in.

Yesterday, the Army chief had visited Durga battalion in Poonch, Krishna Ghati and Jhangar area in Nowshera sector in twin border districts of Rajouri and Poonch and met the jawans.

The Army chief had also sought details about fake encounter of an unidentified insane youth staged by a SPO and a Territorial Army jawan for the sake of promotion and reward. He would submit the report on the fake encounter to Defence Minister A K Antony.

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Postby negi » 12 Aug 2011 20:24

^ Things have been twisted in the article even if one just catches the quoted line i.e.

MG&G headquarters wrote to the Mumbai city collector on March 30, 2000, stating that the land was outside the defence boundary and that "action at your end may be taken as deemed fit for the welfare of service persons, ex-servicemen and their widows."


The part about outside the boundary has to be read in conjunction with the fact that it was cleared only for service persons,ex-servicemen and their widows for eg. the building inside the old Navy nagar in colaba meant for kith and kin of INS Khukri is now used as a youth hostel by kids of ex-servicepersonnel and no one has any objections about it. The problem is some bad apples from inside colluded with the politicians and scaled up the whole project to a full blown real estate project (that is why the now completed building is higher than the limit set by regulations and relatives of politicians own a flat or two, remember the case came to light only when IN raised objections about it being too tall and near it's facility). Btw isn't there a similar case related to another realty project in Malad involving Army land ?

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Postby shyamd » 13 Aug 2011 01:56

Sarangs join Army during silent joint exercise along Kerala coast
The Indian Air Force (IAF) and the Indian Army conducted a ‘silent’ day-and-night joint exercise along the St Andrew’s beach in Puthanthope, near Kazhakuttom, Thiruvananthapuram (Kerala). According to Army sources, the joint exercise was part of the training for Special Ops. Though the IAF and the Army are officially tight-lipped about the operation held on August 8 (day and night), sources tell Tarmak007 that – it was probably for the first time -- Sarang Helicopter Display Team was called in for such an exercise. “The troops were called in from Hyderabad, while four Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH) were summoned from 151 HU based out of Sulur. We haven’t seen the Sarangs during any such operations,” Army sources said. Troops attached to Gorkha Rifles and Madras Regiment is said to have taken part in this rigorous exercise – a fact that couldn’t be independently confirmed by Tarmak007. “Heliborne and slithering operations were carried out by various teams,” sources said.

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Postby ramana » 13 Aug 2011 02:00

Were those ALHs fitted with silenced or noise cancellation rotors? Or was its due to their skill at aerobatic flying?


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