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vasu_ray wrote:what is the point in time at which TSP starts to believe that its nukes when used have a higher probability of detonating on their own land/airspace than on us? even after it is propped up by Chinese time and again?

what kind of technological superiority on our side makes the attempt of using nukes a liability to TSP?
It is not like a nuclear bum exploding in their airspace, these things have safety interlocks that greatly reduce or even prevent nuclear yield in their own territory even if some explosive lenses explode.

The Paki missiles OTOH carry a nuclear bum without any fissile pit. From outside it looks like it is pregnant, but the seed is missing. A.k.a unfertilized eggs for omlette rather than a packaged "Shaitan"/T-rex.
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Kudooos to DRDO.....

IF we can get a handful number of Aircraft of the same mentioned above flying some 50-100km away from porki border , which is inside indian land mass.... we can take out all the parked aircraft(military and may be even civilian :D , production facilities, nuclear facilities,missile bases, oil refineries and everything that has a metal protection :mrgreen: Since the Laser used on ABL is an high intensity and already its clones were being used for metal cutting in manufacturing industries ,so it wont be a matter to kill each and every thing that acts as a fuel storage(in short every thing that runs on gasoline.

As the laser itself will be in IR region, it definitely gives people of Bharat a great edge over its porki people as they dont have the capability or ability to deploy that many number of laser detectors all over their land mass which is a mere 400km wide from its top to bottom.

And technically speaking and in comparison to the current yanki laser riding on their ABL platform has a solid 600km range against liquid fuel containers to rock them off.....

Even forgetting the fantasy part of 600 km range, a mere 400km is gud enough to strike all the main main porki organs :)

Get the co-ordinates and specific details of the targets during day and send the force at nite :D

Even if porkis got to see some colours Indoooo lasers over thier own air space ,definitely they will think like a rain bow at nite :rotfl: and soon after the disaster, they will blame their own mujahidheens..............

Bottom line:- A functioning ground and air attack laser needs to be able to get the target specific updates from IRSS and beast like phalcon.
My self suggestion would be a infrared telescope on the ABL for the crew purpose to watch and celebrate the diwali dhamaka on porki soil :)
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BARC beam weapon for `soft killing'
MUMBAI, Aug 18: The Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) here is in the final stages of assembling a powerful electron accelerating machine named `KALI-5000' which, its scientists say, can potentially be used as a beam weapon.

Bursts of microwaves packed with gigawatts of power (one gigawatt is 1000 million watts) produced by this machine, when aimed at enemy missiles and aircraft, will cripple their electronics systems and computer chips and bring them down.

According to scientists, ``soft killing'' by high power microwaves has advantages over the so-called laser weapon which destroys by drilling holes through metal.

KALI-5000 will be ready for testing by the end of this year according to P H Ron, head of the accelerator and pulse power division at BARC and chief designer of India's first star war weapon.

However, at 26 tonnes including 12,000 litres of oil India's beam weapon is too bulky. Ron said some ``compacting'' was possible.

He said KALI (kilo-ampere linear injector) machine was developed for industrial applications and that the defence use was a recent spin off. He, however, declined to elaborate.

Describing it as a machine ``bordering basic research,'' Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Rajagopalan Chidambaram admitted that it has military potential. ``There are some technologies we have to be in touch with because they may become useful (later),'' he said. Development of KALI machine was proposed in 1985 by Chidambaram, then director of BARC, but work earnestly began in 1989.

Ron said the machine essentially generated pulses of highly energetic electrons. Other components in the machine down the line converted the electrons into flash X-rays (for ultra high-speed photography) or microwaves. The electron beam itself can be used for welding.

The Defence Ballistics Research Institute in Chandigarh is already using an X-ray version of KALI to study speed of projectiles.

Another defence institute in Bangalore is using a microwave-producing version of KALI which the scientists use fortesting the vulnerability of the electronic systems going into the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) under development and designing electrostatic shields to protect them from microwave attack by the enemy.

According to BARC scientists, KALI machine has for the first time provided India a way to ``harden'' the electronic systems used in satellites and missiles against the deadly electromagnetic impulses (EMI) generated by nuclear weapons.

The EMI wreaks havoc by creating intense electric field of several thousand volts per centimetre. The electronic components currently used in missiles can withstand fields of just 300 volts per centimetre.

While the KALI systems built so far are single shot pulsepower systems (they produce one burst of microwaves and the next burst comes much later), KALI-5000 is a rapid fire device, and hence its potential as a beam weapon.

According to BARC-published reports, the machine will shoot several thousand bursts of microwaves, each burst lasting for just 60 billionths of asecond and packed with a power of about four gigawatts.

The high power microwave pulses travel in a straight line and do not dissipate their energy if the frequency falls between three and ten gigahertz. According to BARC scientists, a microwave power of 150 megawatts has already been demonstrated in earlier versions of KALI.[/quote]

The above mentioned article is dated 1999......It means we are at the end of decade from the date it was mentioned.Usually we have to consider a min of 1 year passed when the report is jumped into public media...i.e especially from BARC.It means a decade already passed.

Got any updates on the above?
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I am waiting for Durga.
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Arun_S wrote: It is not like a nuclear bum exploding in their airspace, these things have safety interlocks that greatly reduce or even prevent nuclear yield in their own territory even if some explosive lenses explode.

The Paki missiles OTOH carry a nuclear bum without any fissile pit. From outside it looks like it is pregnant, but the seed is missing. A.k.a unfertilized eggs for omlette rather than a packaged "Shaitan"/T-rex.
Thanks Arun, there are known counter measures for Lasers such as airframe rotation, reflective coatings which TSP could obtain with Chinese help, however they are purported to be the future ...

It looks like we are planning for multiple ABM defenses, so are we not considering mid phase interception for BMs?

Is an earlier version of this Laser be available for some down to earth applications such as perimeter defense shooting down air delivered bombs, mortars, ATGMs, rockets within 10-15 km zone of battle zones, air fields, oil installations ...
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India test fires brahmos in pokhran .. -> TOI
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BRAHMOS TEST-FIRED

New Delhi: India test-fired BrahMos cruise missile successfully on Tuesday at the Pokhran test range of Jaisalmer in Rajasthan.

BrahMos, developed jointly with Russia, is a supersonic cruise missile and can be launched from submarine, ship, aircraft and land based Mobile Autonomous Launchers (MAL).

The missile was to be test-fired for the third time in desert conditions on January 18 but it was postponed to January 20 due to heavy fog and rain in the area.

BrahMos has been named after two rivers - the Brahmaputra of India and the Moscow of Russia.

The first test-firing of the BrahMos was conducted on June 12, 2001 at the Interim Test Range Chandipur-On-Sea in Balasore (Orissa).
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-testfi ... 192-3.html
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SuKan wrote:The missile was to be test-fired for the third time in desert conditions on January 18 but it was postponed to January 20 due to heavy fog and rain in the area.
I am just wondering if few of these tests should be carried out in practical conditions like fog and rain , to see if these missile can work equally well under such conditions.Do they always have to test in near ideal conditions ?

I mean what if there is a war and they have heavy fog and rain , wont they launch these missiles and wait for better times ?
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good point. though it will not be visible in launch cameras and target cameras, the target can always be checked manually later.

the PSLV has been fired off once in heavy storm rain.
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Austin wrote:
SuKan wrote:The missile was to be test-fired for the third time in desert conditions on January 18 but it was postponed to January 20 due to heavy fog and rain in the area.
I am just wondering if few of these tests should be carried out in practical conditions like fog and rain , to see if these missile can work equally well under such conditions.Do they always have to test in near ideal conditions ?

I mean what if there is a war and they have heavy fog and rain , wont they launch these missiles and wait for better times ?
It's not the missile. It's the telemetry that gets screwed.No telemetry - no information about missile's performance. Obviously - if it hits the target - that's fine. But how to find out what went wrong if it does not hit the target?

Have you read this excerpt from AM Rajkumar's book about what happened to the LCA's telemetry on the first flight?

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/cy ... acmr02.jpg
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http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/20b ... -fired.htm
India on Tuesday successfully test-fired the nuclear-capable BrahMos missile, with a range of 290 kms, at Pokhran.

The test comes in the midst of heightened tension between India and Pakistan following the Mumbai terror attacks [Images].

Defence Minister A K Antony told reporters in New Delhi [Images] that the test was pre-planned and not directed against any country.

The missile, capable of touching a speed of 2.8 times that of sound, was launched during the trial in its vertical mode, Defence Research and Development Organisation officials told PTI.

Currently, the army has one regiment armed with the BrahMos missile which is different from the version that was test-fired today.

The present round of trials was earlier scheduled for January 17 but was postponed till today. However, the DRDO sources did not specify any reasons for the delay.

BrahMos is a missile that India is developing in collaboration with Russia [Images] and is named after River Brahmputra and Moscow [Images].

During the visit of Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov to India late last year, an agreement was reached between the two countries for the development of a hyper-sonic BrahMos missile.
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BTW its not clear what terminal sensor land attack brahmos has? its likely to have Imaging Infra-red but is there something else like mid-course navigation?
even the Sat Nav won't be that reliable for us, while GPS can be controlled by US and GLONASS is not complete and doubtful if Russia would maintain complete coverage.

Since brahmos has a hi-speed, a bunker-buster type warhead would be ideal for many strategic targets. Since brahmos is costly, it would be only against important bunkers, HQs etc.
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Land-attack BrahMos cruise missile successfully test-fired in Pokhran- ToI
The "universal vertical launcher'' used on December 18 is significant since it is fitted under the warship's deck, protecting it from the atmospheric conditions and imparting some stealth to the weapon system, and allows the missile to be fired in any direction.

"Eight missiles come in one such launcher module. Two such modules, with 16 missiles, will be fitted in each of the three Kolkata-class P-15A destroyers being built at Mazagon Docks (at a cost of Rs 11,662 crore),'' said a source.

Three more Talwar-class "stealth'' guided-missile frigates being built at Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad (Russia), at a cost of Rs 5,514 crore, will also be armed with BrahMos missiles to give them more punch. "The same vertical launchers will be fitted on submarines,'' said the source.

While the air-launched version will now be integrated with a naval TU-142 aircraft for tests, defence scientists say they are waiting for a suitable platform for testing the submarine-launched version
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They took off all photos from brahmos website. Wonder why
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shiv wrote: It's not the missile. It's the telemetry that gets screwed.No telemetry - no information about missile's performance. Obviously - if it hits the target - that's fine. But how to find out what went wrong if it does not hit the target?

Have you read this excerpt from AM Rajkumar's book about what happened to the LCA's telemetry on the first flight?

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/cy ... acmr02.jpg
hmm yes I read about the telemetry thing in Rajkumar's book , but then what I asking specifically is , how do we know if Brahmos will work in bad weather conditions , obviously what I think is you cant simulate such things , the best way is to test it in such conditions , may be it may not work or may be it will.

Obviously i want to ignore the telemetry part as this missile has been tested double digit times and from what we know all "successful" test , unless they are doing something new which would be fair then to say they need the telemetry working to get the data.

But Brahmos claim is that its an all weather missile , it should not be all fair weather missile.
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Glass half full or half empty.

Yaa the launch was successful but test was not 'complete failure' either.
Officials deny BrahMos test 'complete failure'
21 Jan 2009, 0000 hrs IST, Rajat Pandit, TNN

NEW DELHI: The Army's endeavour to induct the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile as "a precision-strike weapon" took a hit on Tuesday, with the missile failing to achieve laid-down parameters in a test.

This comes at a time when the Pakistan Army is galloping ahead in inducting its nuclear-capable Babur land-attack cruise missile (LACM) - developed with China's help to have a strike range of over 500 km - in large numbers into its arsenal.

Initially, the BrahMos LACM test from the Pokhran field firing range at 10.23am on Tuesday was touted as "successful" by defence ministry officials. But later in the day, this newspaper learnt that it had been quite unsuccessful.

Top defence officials were, however, still reluctant to dub the test, which was witnessed by Army chief General Deepak Kapoor, as "a complete failure".

"BrahMos is a unique missile, which has been tested flawlessly almost 20 times till now. On Tuesday, we were test-firing it with a new guidance scheme...it was not successful. Further trials are required," said an official, reluctant to say anything more.

Sources said it was likely that the BrahMos missile, which flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach, tested on Tuesday had been configured to carry a nuclear warhead rather than a conventional one.

The Army already has missile groups to handle the 150-km Prithvi, 700-800-km Agni-I and 2000-km-plus Agni-II ballistic missiles, which are nuclear-capable.

On its part, Army has ordered two BrahMos regiments in the first phase at a cost of Rs 8,352 crore, with 134 missiles, 10 road-mobile autonomous launchers on 12x12 Tatra vehicles, four mobile command posts and the like, said sources.

The Navy, in turn, has ordered 49 BrahMos firing units at a cost of Rs 711 crore for now. All the tests of the BrahMos naval version, both anti-ship and land-attack ones, have been successful till now.

BrahMos was even fired successfully from a vertical launcher - the earlier tests were from "inclined" launchers - fitted on Rajput-class destroyer INS Ranvir in Bay of Bengal last month.

The "universal vertical launcher" is significant since it imparts the missile system with some stealth as well as the capability to be fired in any direction. It also paves the way for the integration of BrahMos missiles on submarines.

Even as India and Russia begin preliminary work on a "hypersonic" BrahMos-2 missile capable of flying at a speed between 5 and 7 Mach, two Indian Sukhoi-30MKI fighters have also been sent to Russia for integration with BrahMos' air-launched version.

The armed forces' eventual plan, of course, is to have nuclear-tipped LACMs, with strike ranges in excess of 1,500 km. Unlike ballistic missiles, cruise missiles do not leave the atmosphere and are powered and guided throughout their flight path.

Cruise missiles, which can evade enemy radars and air defence systems since they fly at low altitudes, are also much cheaper as well as more accurate and easier to operate.
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So other than the launcher which seems to have worked ok what else was different in this version? And if it was for vertical launch proofing then why was it only the Army gen in attendence? Was navy there too?
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ramana wrote:So other than the launcher which seems to have worked ok what else was different in this version? And if it was for vertical launch proofing then why was it only the Army gen in attendence? Was navy there too?
Army's version has always been a vertical launcher. It was Navy's version which was inclined. There must be something different in this version. As per Rajat Pandit's 'sources' it is new guidence.

Turd can't help commenting that ]Army's endeavor for precision strike took a hit', despite the fact that it has been tested numerous times in land attack role, with video proof circulating on internet.
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Trials are trials because there is uncertainty about the outcome. No biggie here because it was in desert conditions and you should be surprised and suspicious if it was flawless from the get go and issues come up after induction.
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^^^ I would also be surprised if we were to have all successes. Failures mean that some indigenous effort has been put in or that some new elements are being tested.

If we want all successful trials, why go in for indigenous development - why not buy the systems.

Now only if the journos understood this and didn't make every 'failure' a sufficient cause for collective wailing and breast beating!
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Was this something new for this test?
Sources said it was likely that the BrahMos missile, which flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach, tested on Tuesday had been configured to carry a nuclear warhead rather than a conventional one.
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jrjrao wrote:Was this something new for this test?
Sources said it was likely that the BrahMos missile, which flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach, tested on Tuesday had been configured to carry a nuclear warhead rather than a conventional one.
Doesn't make sense for that being the reason. If it was for that purpose then the older guidane would be more uselful due to the bigger blast. Anywhy they trialed a new guidance and it needs more tuning.
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MohanG wrote:^^^ I would also be surprised if we were to have all successes. Failures mean that some indigenous effort has been put in or that some new elements are being tested.

If we want all successful trials, why go in for indigenous development - why not buy the systems.

Now only if the journos understood this and didn't make every 'failure' a sufficient cause for collective wailing and breast beating!
If fact it is better to have failures during trials - because it tells you what might be going wrong. All successful trials are always a problem.

Having said that (and without prejudice against any organization) - I believe that the Army demands different standards from the Navy and AF. This is my guess and the possible reasons could be that

All that I write below is guesswork! Not insight!

1) The army actually has to physicly operate out of varying hostile terrain with no possibility of good environmental conditions for storage.

2) Being the largest force, the Army might have a lower requirement of technical qualification for people operating in frontline areas. It might not be possible to equip every frontline unit with whiz-kid engineers and techies and all sophisticated systems might have to be reliable and easy to operate even with a not very highly educated soldier with some technical training.

Besides - the Brahmos people probably also have to get exposed to some real "adverse weather conditons" to learn what the missile in transport faces long before it is fired in anger :eek:
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jrjrao wrote:Was this something new for this test?
Sources said it was likely that the BrahMos missile, which flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach, tested on Tuesday had been configured to carry a nuclear warhead rather than a conventional one.
Can someone confirm the nuclear capability?
Russia is a signatory of the MTCR and designed Brahmos to be non-nuclear, how is it now it is readily converted to nuke capable?
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Guys

This test was in the Thar desert. Conditions etc.
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could be smart weapons.. remember, we did produce many 0.3-0.7kTs. what is wrong with smart weapon and bunker buster tests?
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Rangudu wrote:Guys

This test was in the Thar desert. Conditions etc.
Highly unlikely. Desert condition qualification should have been over long time back. Army wouldn't induct otherwise. Thar desert, Kuch do occupy significant part of Indo-Pak border.
Normally one also carries out 'Accelerated condition' testing to determine reliability/robustness, where you expose the system to various conditions (increased heat, humidity, vibration, UV light etc etc) and then test. It is highly unlikely that it is the desert condition which caused the failure (if it was failure).

Mohan G thanks for the preaching..no one was crying about 'failure', question is why it failed. What was new about this launch? What failed? Accuracy? Did they try some new terminal guidance - aka ability to target a specific window of a building? Let's wait and watch, more news ought to come out.
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Kailash wrote:
jrjrao wrote:Was this something new for this test?
Can someone confirm the nuclear capability?
Russia is a signatory of the MTCR and designed Brahmos to be non-nuclear, how is it now it is readily converted to nuke capable?
Saar... can you read me your copy of MTRC that mentions any operative rule against "nuke" arming of mijjile?

IMHO you are imagining a bonding chain when there is none, IOW self goal.
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^^^ SunilUpa,

No preaching boss, I am not an expert on missile testing to be able to credibly preach.

What I object to are some statements (shown below) in the newsitem. They tend to sensationalize the 'failure' without providing any insight or placing the issue in context.
BrahMos missile test fails after early 'success'

...

This comes at a time when the Pakistan Army is galloping ahead in inducting its nuclear-capable Babur land-attack cruise missile (LACM) - developed with China's help to have a strike range of over 500 km - in large numbers into its arsenal.

...

Top defence officials were, however, still reluctant to dub the test, which was witnessed by Army chief General Deepak Kapoor, as "a complete failure".

Note that the ordinarily reliable Hindu is silent on the issue and just reproduces the PTI news feed.
New version of BrahMos test-fired

JAISALMER: India on Tuesday successfully test-fired a new version of the nuclear-capable BrahMos missile at Pokhran in Rajasthan’s desert. The missile, with a 290-km range and capable of touching a speed 2.8 times that of sound, was launched during the trial in its vertical mode. — PTI
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MohanG wrote:^
Note that the ordinarily reliable Hindu is silent on the issue and just reproduces the PTI news feed.
New version of BrahMos test-fired
did you check the duplicity?
http://www.hindu.com/2009/01/21/stories ... 751300.htm

btw.. a diff header:
Brahmos missile gets land attack capability

The Army’s long-term plan is to induct three batteries of the lethal cruise missile, each with four road-mobile autonomous launchers on 12x12 Tatra vehicles, to constitute its BrahMos regiment so that the missile can be used as a “precision strike weapon.” The missile can carry warheads up to 200 kg in weight.

The missile’s land test took place a month after the missile was launched successfully from a vertical launcher on board INS Rajput.

more info on the link
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^^^ Very Interesting...
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More balanced reporting here:

BrahMos missile misses target at first user trial
BrahMos missile misses target at first user trial

Manu Pubby Posted: Jan 21, 2009 at 0319 hrs IST

New Delhi: Ii is the pride of India’s defence research programme but the BrahMos surface-to-surface cruise missile failed to meet user and operational parameters at its first ever user trial at the Pokharan ranges in Rajasthan on Tuesday.

Sources at the test site told this newspaper that the Indo-Russian missile failed to hit its target after it was fired by the Army on Tuesday morning. The test-firing, first ever to be conducted by the Army after the missile was inducted in June 2007, was witnessed by Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor and other senior officers.

The supersonic cruise missile was test-fired from a mobile launcher at the Pokharan ranges, barely a hundred kilometres away from the Pakistan border. However, Defence Minister A K Antony clarified that the test was pre-planned and not directed towards any country.

While DRDO has been silent on the test-firing, sources said the missile did not meet its ‘operational parameters’ and deviated from the pre-planned course, failing to hit its target. They said the test was a setback but ‘quiet normal’ during the development of any new missile system. More firing trials will be required to identify faults in the system.

The BrahMos, which has been described as a stealthy cruise missile that can deliver a 200 kg payload to a target 280 km away at speeds exceeding 2.8 Mach, has been in service with the Navy and was inducted into the Army in 2007.

Surprisingly, the first user test firing took place almost two years after its induction indicating that the missile was being fine-tuned by the joint Indo-Russian scientific team that is working on the project.

The surface-to-surface missile system has been inducted as a separate artillery unit consisting of four launchers. The Army is looking to acquire close to 80 launchers over the next few years to give a boost to its artillery units. The BrahMos was originally designed as an anti ship missile but DRDO is also working on a smaller air launched version, to be fitted on the IAF’s SU 30 MKI.

While the missile has been developed under a joint venture between India and Russia with both sides funding the research programme, Moscow is yet to place any orders for the missile. India, on the other hand, is also planning to install the missile on its submarines.
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IN News report in TOI rajat pandit's source is is quoting that test was carried to test missile with new guidance system & nuclear warhead on board :eek: :eek: :eek:

i guess at least manmohan singh government will not risk it 's hard earned nuclear deal on very first day of obama's office smart weapon or not ..i feel after detonation US satellites will pick up the explosion
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ramana wrote:So other than the launcher which seems to have worked ok what else was different in this version? And if it was for vertical launch proofing then why was it only the Army gen in attendence? Was navy there too?
Most likely navigation/flight control system issue. The news reports are not talking of targeting problem. That (is any) will come later. RF seeker based homing has its limitations. The desert area the ground penetration of beam is many times higher. This metal shreds (reflectors) from previous target practice hidden few feet below surface will give false positive signature.
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France Intends to Develop Surface-to-Air Missiles with India: French Diplomat Levitte

France wants to develop a new short-range surface-to-air missile (SR-SAM) in cooperation with India. Negotiations are nearing conclusion, according to Jean-David Levitte, Diplomatic Adviser to French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

This new system may be the Maitri, :?: which may incorporate technology from India's Trishul SAM and MBDA's MICA. India' state-run Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) released a global RFP for co-development of SR-SAM system. Levitte said the process to secure a foreign partner is underway.

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4173
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parshuram wrote:IN News report in TOI rajat pandit's source is is quoting that test was carried to test missile with new guidance system & nuclear warhead on board :eek: :eek: :eek:
I see no problem in that reporting, because that will be one of the first few tests. And they will test the nuclear warhead with a dummy pit.

If you recall amongst the first few Agni-II tests, couple of tests involved warhead without the Pu pit to verify "Safing, Arming and Fusing" worked correctly. One of those test had a modified warhead that was less sensitive to ESD. On BrahMos "Safing, Arming and Fusing" requirements will be even more stringent due to its low altitude flight and shorter range.

I am thankful to TOI's Rajat Pandit for reporting that in his brief.
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This new system may be the Maitri, :?: which may incorporate technology from India's Trishul SAM and MBDA's MICA. India' state-run Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) released a global RFP for co-development of SR-SAM system. Levitte said the process to secure a foreign partner is underway.
Hadn't the work on Maitri already started atleast a year back? :-?
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sum wrote:
This new system may be the Maitri, :?: which may incorporate technology from India's Trishul SAM and MBDA's MICA. India' state-run Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) released a global RFP for co-development of SR-SAM system. Levitte said the process to secure a foreign partner is underway.
Hadn't the work on Maitri already started atleast a year back? :-?
The agreement is yet to be signed...chai bisqoot babudom
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Even thought this is disappointing news, I find it more comforting to hear about failures than about successes because hiding failure is very dangerous to the country as it not only threatens national security but also helps organizations and failed projects hemorrhage more taxpayer money while deluding the public and policy makers as to the real state of affairs. Its a good thing the press reported this as this will lead to more public scrutiny and a more critical evaluation of the system that we have come to take for granted as 'perfect'.

Its strange that the Pakistani press doesnt often report on the failures of its military projects, nor do the Chinese press. I guess that only helps maintain an illusion of perfection as it would be quite ludicrous to assume that nations that develop and build weapons do so perfectly each time without any failures. It has been proven over and over again, in the west that greater transparency can only lead to better and more efficient systems that help make the country safer.
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Brando wrote:Its strange that the Pakistani press doesnt often report on the failures of its military projects.
Painting things green doesn't have much scope for failure :mrgreen:
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