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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Kakarat » 04 Oct 2008 10:58

US offers India $375 mn deal for smart missiles

WASHINGTON: The Pentagon has notified the US Congress of its offer to sell India CBU-105 Sensor Fuzed Weapons (SFW) worth $375 mn to help the "In
dian Air Force to develop and enhance standardisation and operational ability with the United States".

"This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to strengthen the US-India strategic relationship," the Pentagon's Defence Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) told the US Congress Sep 30, a day before the Senate approved the India-US civil nuclear deal.

It will also help "improve the security of an important partner, which continues to be an important force for political stability, peace and economic progress in South Asia," the agency said, assuring lawmakers "the proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region".

The proposed sale comes three weeks after US offered India a $170 mn deal for the sale of two dozen Harpoon air to ground anti-ship missiles during Defence minister A K Antony's visit to Washington.

"India intends to use the Sensor Fuzed Weapons to modernise its armed forces and enhance its defensive ability to counter ground-armoured threats.

"The missiles will assist the Indian Air Force to develop and enhance standardisation and operational ability with the United States. India will have no difficulty absorbing these missiles into its armed forces," the DSCA said.

"There will be no adverse impact on US defence readiness as a result of this proposed sale," it added.

The SFW - a 1,000-pound class weapon - is designed to accurately detect and defeat a wide range of moving and stationary land and maritime target threats with minimal collateral damage, while not leaving a single hazardous dud.

India, DSCA said, "has requested a possible sale of 510 CBU-105 Sensor Fuzed Weapons, 19 CBU-105 Integration test assets (12 live tails, seven inert tails) and five CBU-97 Integration test assets as well as associated equipment and services". The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $375 mn.

New Delhi, the agency said, has requested offsets for the deal, but at this time agreements are undetermined and will be defined in negotiations between India and the contractor. The prime contractor will be Textron Systems Corporation of Wilmington, Massachusetts.

Textron Defence Systems describes its SFW as "the first and only combat-proven, clean battlefield weapon of its kind in US Air Force inventory".

The SFW contains 10 BLU-108 submunitions, each with four smart Skeet warheads, for a total of 40 warheads. One SFW can simultaneously detect and engage many fixed and moving land combat targets within 121,400 sq mts.

This wide-area capability enables the SFW to halt an invading force and attack air defence sites while significantly reducing the number of aircraft sorties, it says.

Designed for stand-off deployment from a wide selection of aircraft, SFW's versatility and superior lethality make it the weapon of choice for anti-armour, destruction of enemy air defence and many other combat missions.

SFW can be deployed from US or North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) tactical aircraft in all weather conditions, day or night, and is presently certified on most US Air Force fighter and bomber aircraft.

Each smart Skeet warhead can defeat a variety of moving and stationary targets, from heavy armoured battle tanks, soft-skinned vehicles to maritime threats. Many of these include parked aircraft, mobile radars and jammers, air defence vehicles and support vehicles.


CBU-97/CBU-105 Sensor Fuzed Weapon -FAS

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby soutikghosh » 04 Oct 2008 12:35

So for India CBU-105 would be launched from Mirage-2000 and Jaguar type aircrafts. Is that right ?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby neerajb » 06 Oct 2008 13:28

shiv wrote:The turboprop uses gears and appears like a propeller driven aircraft

The turbofan uses no gears and the large bypass blades of the turbofan spin on the same shaft as the core engine so that they spin at the same speed.

In a geared turbofan - the engine ends up looking like a a turbofan engine but the large blades do not spin on the same shaft but go through a special reduction gearbox so that they spin slower and are more efficient while the core engine can spin faster and be more efficient.


Shivji I beg to differ from you. In a turbofan, there are separate concentric shafts for fan and engine core. The fan turbine and the engine core turbine are free from each other and rotates at considerably different RPMs (fan at around 3000 RPM and high pressure compressor at 12000 RPM). This difference in both shaft RPMs is efficiency. The fan is bigger and one doesn't want the tip of the fan to stall if rotated at the same speed as core (loss of compression because of blade tip stall). Also one doesn't want the high pressure compressor blades to rotate at fan RPM otherwise they won't be able to compress air sufficiently for engine operation.

I guess the geared turbofan concept is to slow down the blade tip speed in case of extra large fans.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby renukb » 06 Oct 2008 13:31

IAF airbases to get a facelift
http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/06/stories ... 751300.htm

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NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force (IAF) has embarked on a plan to modernise its major air bases, Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Homi Major said here on Friday.

The IAF had also installed surveillance devices to make air bases more secure in the wake of terrorist incidents and the creeping urbanisation around their peripheries.

The IAF had floated a global tender to modernise 39 airfields to a standard that would take every type of aircraft. “The ultimate aim is that all the bases can handle every single type of aircraft,” he said at a press conference before Air Force Day on October 8.

The IAF was filling low-level gaps in the southern peninsula with the induction of more radars and wanted to jointly manage air space with the civil aviation sector all over the country to enhance domain awareness. The IAF chief said the Tezpur air base would be the first in the eastern region to host the potent Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters.

“The Prime Minister, during his visit to the north-east recently, announced development works, including better roads, advanced landing grounds, etc. In the IAF, we have brought forward some programmes to beef up the infrastructure in the north-east.”

Having resolved the spares issue, the IAF wants Hindustan Aeronautical Limited to produce around 22 to 23 aircraft annually to speed up their deployment as against the 15 it made this year.

Another new area of focus was the modernisation of its transport fleet. The nearly 100 AN-32 medium transporters were being upgraded but would be finally replaced with the medium transport aircraft that would be jointly designed and produced by India and Russia. The IAF would also replace the heavy transporter IL-76 with a very heavy transport aircraft.

“We are working out the air staff qualitative requirements and wish to issue the request for information very soon. We are also in the process of upgrading the Dorniers with better avionics and are considering the induction of the indigenously developed light category Saras aircraft,” he said.

The IAF was planning to buy six more air-to-air refuellers and the Defence Ministry was engaged in price negotiations with makers of IL-78 and Airbus-330. The IAF already has half a dozen refuellers which has vastly enhanced the range of its frontline fighters.

The IAF will soon finalise the purchase of 80 Mi-17s, 125 light utility helicopters to replace the Cheetah and Chetak fleet, eight VVIP helicopters and four of its cargo version. It would also induct 38 indigenous Dhruv helicopters and 16 of its armed versions with a glass cockpit and new engines. Negotiations with Russia for designing and developing a fifth-generation fighter aircraft are being held on job share and costing. Asked about plans to purchase precision guided missiles, the air chief said, “We are looking at this all the time. The need to integrate missiles with the aircraft is the challenge. You don’t just go to the market, buy a missile and put it on the plane.”


On service chiefs approaching the Prime Minister on the pay issue, he said, “I, as the Chief of Air Staff, and the other two service chiefs, after going through the pay panel report, had put up a few issues which we wanted the Government to reconsider.”

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby neerajb » 06 Oct 2008 13:41

Say if we have a transport aircraft which has a ground clearance of X meters. Now if we go for a turbojet or turbofan the max fan diameter could be X meters. But if we go for turboprop, the max diameter could be 2X meters (hub at wing level). So you have roughly twice the thrust for short take off performance.

Now the flip side: Thrust = airflow (mass) X ( velocity of accelerated air/gas - Velocity of aircraft) per second.

Turboprop moves a lot of air but accelerates it very less. So at low aircraft speeds the mass dominates the velocity component and hence high thrust. As the aircraft picks up speed the difference in velocity decreases and hence the aircraft looses thrust. That's why turboprops are slower and good for high thrust at slow speeds.

Conversely the turboprops, move lesser air mass but accelerates it to very high speeds. So they have comparatively lesser thrust at takeoff (due to fan diameter) but the loss in thrust is less (higher exhaust speed/lesser influence of aircraft speed on thrust) hence turbofans are faster than turbopros.

Same explanation goes for turbojets.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Himanshu » 06 Oct 2008 13:52

IAF is expecting RFP from Ilyushin and Boeing for the VHLF (Very Heavy Lift Freighter) aircraft.

Il-76MKI-90 from Ilyushin
C-17 from Boeing

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby vavinash » 06 Oct 2008 13:56

C-17??? Why go for a costly system for which logistics will have to be built up from scratch. IAf will end up with IL-76 MF no matter what. 60 tonne payload meets IAF's requirements perfectly.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby A Sharma » 06 Oct 2008 15:40

IAF acquiring radars to cover up gaps in surveillance: Major

Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Fali Homi Major today admitted to gaps in the air surveillance cover in peninsular India and said the force was in the process of acquiring radars to cover the area.

"Peninsular India is a huge area. Yes, we do have gaps. But we are in the process of filling up these gaps. We are acquiring all types of radars -- high-level, low-level, high-power, low-power and others. But a large part of South India is covered," Major said at the annual media interaction before the Air Force Day.

Security analysts have expressed concerns over Lankan Tamil guerrillas LTTE acquiring air warfare capabilities that could pose a threat to India.

Noting that the IAF for the first time experimented by integrating the defence radars with the civil aviation authorities in south India, Major said the effort was a major success and that the IAF was planning to replicate it in other areas of the country too.

To improve its surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, the IAF has also operationalised two "potent sensors" Aerostats and is negotiating for four more.

It has also got a radar from Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) and is planning to get another 20 or 30 more radars, Major said.

Drawing attention to the IAF's procurement and modernisation plans, the Air chief said a lot of radars and sensors were either being bought or would be produced in India under license from the original equipment manufacturers in the near future.

Another major induction would be the Israeli airborne warning and control systems integrated on Russian IL-76 heavy lift transport aircraft to be based in Agra.

AWACS are said to be the "eyes in the sky" for the IAF and these would be a force multiplier in enhancing the capabilities of the Air Force to keep a watch on enemy air bases and provide real-time intelligence for a counter attack.

Apart from the fighter upgrade programmes currently on for Jaguars, the IAF would soon launch an upgrade programme for the An-32 transport fleet.

The IAF is also planning to replace the aging workhorse IL-76s fleet with a new "Very Heavy" transport aircraft and will come out with it qualitative requirements to issue a Request for Information very soon, Major said.

It was also working on an upgrade project for the light transport aircraft, Dorniers, which would get better avionics and for induction of the HAL-NAL produced 'Saras' transport aircraft.

On the Multi-Role Transport Aircraft, for which India signed an agreement with Russia last November, the IAF chief said intense negotiations were in progress to work out the details of the joint development deal.

With regard to IL-78 air-to-air refuellers, an important force multiplier for the fighter fleet of the IAF, India has plans to acquire six more of them and has zeroed in on two aircraft, the MS-330s and IL-78s.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby A Sharma » 06 Oct 2008 15:43

IAF looking to open more ALGs around Siachen glacier

With India opening the forbidding Siachen Glacier for civilian trek last year, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to open more Advanced Landing Grounds (ALGs) for aircraft operations, aimed at promoting tourism in high-altitude areas of Ladakh.

"The Defence Ministry (MOD) has directed us to look for more Advanced Landing Grounds (ALGs) in Ladakh to increase aircraft operations that will help promote tourism and for other purposes," Western Air Commander Air Marshal P K Barbora said today, after witnessing the IAF's dress rehearsal for the 76th Air Force Day parade at Hindan near here.

"With fixed wing aircraft landing at these ALGs, we would be able to send more relief material in less time for humanitarian support and also for disaster management, whenever it is required," Barbora said, to a question about the opening of ALGs in high-altitude areas.

The IAF had already opened the Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) ALG around May this year, closer to the Chinese-held Aksai Chin areas of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir, with the first An-32 landing in three decades.

The Siachen glacier trekking camp was launched this October 1 for the second year in a row. Last year, the government had opened up the 72-km-long Glacier for civilian adventure tourism, despite Pakistani protests.

By increasing civilian and tourist movement in the region, India wants to strengthen its claim on the territory along the 110-km-long Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) with Pakistan.

Reopening of DBO ALGs is also seen as a step to create more access points for the Indian defence forces to Siachen and surrounding areas in Jammu and Kashmir, along the borders with India's two traditional rivals, Pakistan and China.

Barbora said apart from DBO ALG, IAF was also looking to operationalise existing as well as new ALGs in the region.

"****** Che is one such ALG, which we are trying to reopen. Chushul is another. We are also looking for new ALGs," Barbora said.

On the deployment of Su-30 air superiority fighter aircraft at Leh, Barbora said IAF wanted to operate its fighter aircraft from all kinds of terrain in the country.

"We have a variety of terrain in India that includes land, mountain and seas. It is always better that all our pilots and platforms are able to operate from all these terrains, so that when we have to redeploy forces for any contingency, they are prepared," he said.

Earlier during the Air Force Day parade dress rehearsal, the IAF put up its major strike aircraft along with its transport and helicopter fleet on static and aerial display. IAF's popular, Suryakiran 'Kiran MkII' aircraft and Sarang 'Dhruv' helicopter aerobatic display teams also performed at the parade rehearsal.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby PaulJI » 06 Oct 2008 15:52

vavinash wrote:C-17??? Why go for a costly system for which logistics will have to be built up from scratch. IAf will end up with IL-76 MF no matter what. 60 tonne payload meets IAF's requirements perfectly.

Because asking for two bids makes the Russians keen to please. Asking for a bid from one supplier is a sure way to get ripped off.

You have to be careful, though. Using competitions as a way to beat down the price of the aircraft you've already decided to buy can backfire. See S. Korea - thought it'd be clever, & get its F-15Ks cheaper & at a higher spec than the USA was originally willing to allow. It worked once, but the Koreans made the mistake of not ordering the full requirement in one go. When they wanted a second batch, nobody else would compete, & they had to deal with a Boeing which held all the cards.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sum » 06 Oct 2008 19:15

On the Multi-Role Transport Aircraft, for which India signed an agreement with Russia last November, the IAF chief said intense negotiations were in progress to work out the details of the joint development deal.

Still in negotiation phase?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sanjaychoudhry » 07 Oct 2008 01:28

India Reveals Plan to Develop Indigenous Medium Fighter

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... ghter.html

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Postby bulsara » 07 Oct 2008 02:18

http://pakobserver.net/200810/07/Articles01.asp
..................Indian Air Chief, Air Chief Marshal S. Krishnaswamy had stated at the induction ceremony that, “With its ability to engage several targets simultaneously the Sukhoi -30 MKI will redefine the very method of air combat.” In a joint exercise with the US Air Force over Occupied Kashmir, these Indian Air Force fighters proved superior to the F-15 air superiority fighters of US Air Force. Besides twin-engine power and safety the MKI is equipped with stealth technology, enabling it to evade radar detection. Indian defense analysts claim that the MKI can outclass China’s Su- 23 MKK and USAF F-22 and F-15 fighters. The elected government of Pakistan and the PAF must take full cognizance of the induction of 144 Su-30 MK-I aircraft in the IAF, and consequently the enhanced air threat from India. IAF has received 10 new Mirage 2000 H fighters from France and 37 rebuilt Jaguar strike fighters from HAL at Bangalore. But India’s Light Combat Air craft – the LCA under development since 1978 has yet to enter operational service. After 24 air tests, major modifications, the IAF remained highly critical of the LCA, but will be forced to buy up to 400 of these controversial fighters. The LCA will replace the MiG-21 as the IAF’s workhorse. The IAF fighter pilots did not trust Indian manufactured MiG-21s which earned such nicknames as “flying coffins”, “pilot killers”, “widow makers”; and are already distrustful of home made LCA fighters.

Pilot training has been a big problem. IAF pilots were forced into MiG-21 cockpits directly from basic piston engine trainers. The result was high wastage of pilots during operational training. British Hawk advanced jet trainer has now been inducted. It should have been inducted three decades back. It would have saved hundreds of precious lives.. Despite US foot dragging on the supply of F-16 fighters, and numerical disparity, the PAF has proved to be a credible deterrent against Indian air power. This was possible due to the high state of preparedness, readiness and robust morale of the force at all levels. The skillful management of operational assets, exemplary leadership and expertise has enabled the PAF to deter the enemy from any misadventure. The PAF is totally committed to the defense of Pakistan. The government however must realize that the PAF must have matching technology, and numerical balance with the adversary air force, in the entire range of weaponry.

The joint production JF-17 Thunders, procurement of JF-10 air superiority fighters from China, and additional F-16 fighters- should correct the air power imbalance to some extent. These new combat and strike aircraft are urgently needed for ground attack and close support operations against the terrorists, who hiding in the hills and mountains of Tribal Agencies are mounting deadly suicide bombings on Pakistani cities, cantonments and military posts.

The assassination of Benazir Bhutto and the deadly bombing of Marriot hotel in Islamabad, demands enhanced used of air power to root out terrorists and terrorism from Pakistan’s soil.The PAF has been engaged in anti-terrorist operations since several months. Army –air close support operations in the rugged and mountainous areas of Swat and Bajaur have been successful and the terrorists are on the run. Air operations must be sustained till terrorists feel compelled to surrender.

A new dangerous factor is Pakistan’s war against terrorists is United States violation of Pakistani air space by drones, gunship helicopters and fighter aircraft. Predator and Rapaer drones have been violating Pakistan’s air space, bombings tribal villages and killing Pakistani citizens since 2006. They have killed hundreds of Pakistani citizens including women and children. Washington is disregarding warnings by Pakistani President, Prime Minister, Army Chief and protests by Pakistani public. Pakistani blood cannot be allowed to be shed wantonly. Violation of Pakistani territorial sovereignty must be challenged. Pakistan Air Force must be prepared to shoot down American drones, gunship helicopters and engage USAF fighter aircraft attacking and bombings Pakistani tribal villages. We must not act as frightened crows, when outsiders continue to kill our elders, brothers, sisters and children. Pakistan Air Force must defend Pakistan’s air space. PAF’s tradition is that it will rise to great heights to defend Pakistan

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Cybaru » 07 Oct 2008 04:03

A Sharma wrote:With regard to IL-78 air-to-air refuellers, an important force multiplier for the fighter fleet of the IAF, India has plans to acquire six more of them and has zeroed in on two aircraft, the MS-330s and IL-78s.


MS-330s ??
A330 MRTT possibly.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Kartik » 07 Oct 2008 04:54

bulsara wrote:http://pakobserver.net/200810/07/Articles01.asp
..................Indian Air Chief, Air Chief Marshal S. Krishnaswamy had stated at the induction ceremony that, “With its ability to engage several targets simultaneously the Sukhoi -30 MKI will redefine the very method of air combat.” In a joint exercise with the US Air Force over Occupied Kashmir, these Indian Air Force fighters proved superior to the F-15 air superiority fighters of US Air Force. Besides twin-engine power and safety the MKI is equipped with stealth technology, enabling it to evade radar detection. Indian defense analysts claim that the MKI can outclass China’s Su- 23 MKK and USAF F-22 and F-15 fighters :roll: . The elected government of Pakistan and the PAF must take full cognizance of the induction of 144 Su-30 MK-I aircraft in the IAF, and consequently the enhanced air threat from India. IAF has received 10 new Mirage 2000 H fighters from France and 37 rebuilt Jaguar strike fighters from HAL at Bangalore. But India’s Light Combat Air craft – the LCA under development since 1978 has yet to enter operational service. After 24 air tests, major modifications, the IAF remained highly critical of the LCA, but will be forced to buy up to 400 of these controversial fighters . The LCA will replace the MiG-21 as the IAF’s workhorse. The IAF fighter pilots did not trust Indian manufactured MiG-21s which earned such nicknames as “flying coffins”, “pilot killers”, “widow makers”; and are already distrustful of home made LCA fighters. :roll:

Pilot training has been a big problem. IAF pilots were forced into MiG-21 cockpits directly from basic piston engine trainers. The result was high wastage of pilots during operational training. British Hawk advanced jet trainer has now been inducted. It should have been inducted three decades back. It would have saved hundreds of precious lives.. Despite US foot dragging on the supply of F-16 fighters, and numerical disparity, the PAF has proved to be a credible deterrent against Indian air power. This was possible due to the high state of preparedness, readiness and robust morale of the force at all levels. The skillful management of operational assets, exemplary leadership and expertise has enabled the PAF to deter the enemy from any misadventure. The PAF is totally committed to the defense of Pakistan. The government however must realize that the PAF must have matching technology, and numerical balance with the adversary air force, in the entire range of weaponry.

The joint production JF-17 Thunders, procurement of JF-10 air superiority fighters from China, and additional F-16 fighters- should correct the air power imbalance to some extent. These new combat and strike aircraft are urgently needed for ground attack and close support operations against the terrorists, who hiding in the hills and mountains of Tribal Agencies are mounting deadly suicide bombings on Pakistani cities, cantonments and military posts.

The assassination of Benazir Bhutto and the deadly bombing of Marriot hotel in Islamabad, demands enhanced used of air power to root out terrorists and terrorism from Pakistan’s soil.The PAF has been engaged in anti-terrorist operations since several months. Army –air close support operations in the rugged and mountainous areas of Swat and Bajaur have been successful and the terrorists are on the run. Air operations must be sustained till terrorists feel compelled to surrender.

A new dangerous factor is Pakistan’s war against terrorists is United States violation of Pakistani air space by drones, gunship helicopters and fighter aircraft. Predator and Rapaer drones have been violating Pakistan’s air space, bombings tribal villages and killing Pakistani citizens since 2006. They have killed hundreds of Pakistani citizens including women and children. Washington is disregarding warnings by Pakistani President, Prime Minister, Army Chief and protests by Pakistani public. Pakistani blood cannot be allowed to be shed wantonly. Violation of Pakistani territorial sovereignty must be challenged. Pakistan Air Force must be prepared to shoot down American drones, gunship helicopters and engage USAF fighter aircraft attacking and bombings Pakistani tribal villages. We must not act as frightened crows, when outsiders continue to kill our elders, brothers, sisters and children. Pakistan Air Force must defend Pakistan’s air space. PAF’s tradition is that it will rise to great heights to defend Pakistan


what a BS article..God knows which age that nincompoop is referring to, since the 10 attrition Mirages came in early 2000s and IAF is getting 230 MKIs in all . such a lot of BS that it shouldn't be even posted on BRF. gives it even a modicum of credibility which it doesn't deserve. please think a bit before posting such bunkum here.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby vavinash » 07 Oct 2008 05:23

Stop posting rubbish like this junk. Pakis know their 3rd gen Jf-17 blundaar cannot match IAF and are shit scared so they will desperately try to shore up the sagging morale of their pathetic pilots and soldiers with lies like this. In 1971 Pak radio and generals kept announcing that they were trouncing India till one fine morning they surrendered half their country shamelessly. No need for us to give the inferiority complex ridden pakis more publicity.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby shiv » 07 Oct 2008 06:52

bulsara wrote:well dont hate me i m just posting this articale to show how pakis are shitting their pants. :)


Please STOP posting articles to show that Pakis are shitting in their pants. This article can go in the Pakistan thread in the other forum. If the article contributes in any way to this thread it is a different matter - but if it is merely to show how Pakis crap the problem is not the Pakis but the person who posts the article here.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Nayak » 07 Oct 2008 10:15

Another airbase set to be reopened in Ladakh
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http://www.kashmirlive.com/story/Anothe ... 70099.html

With incidents of transgressions on the unresolved Sino-Indian border on a high, India is set to reopen another strategic airfield...


Leh, October 6 With incidents of transgressions on the unresolved Sino-Indian border on a high, India is set to reopen another strategic airfield in eastern Ladakh that will allow rapid induction of troops into the region.

Work on reviving the Fukche Advanced Landing Ground (ALG), situated at an altitude of 4,200 metres, barely three km from the Line of Actual Control, is almost complete and the first fixed-wing aircraft is expected to land at the airbase within a month.

The Army, which is keen to reactivate the airbase that is currently only used as a helicopter landing ground, is working overtime to complete the surfacing works at Fukche before the snow sets in. The airfield, which was out to use during the 1962 war, will be reactivated after a gap of almost four decades.

The airbase will consist of an unpaved surface and will be able to accommodate the medium-lift AN-32 aircraft of the Indian Air Force. Once reactivated, it will be the second highest landing field in the world.

“Work on the landing ground is almost complete and we hope to finish it within a few days. The strip will be prepared for landings by fixed wing transport aircrafts,” a senior Army officer said.

Air Marshal P K Barbora, Commander in Chief of the Western Air Command, confirmed to The Indian Express that the Air Force will start trial flights on the refurbished airbase as soon as strengthening works are completed.

The officer said that the landing ground could be used for humanitarian relief works and evacuation in case of natural calamities in the region. “The Army is working on the airfield. They should probably be ready in a month’s time. Once work is complete, the Air Force will perform trials on the landing ground,” the senior officer said.

The reopening of the Fukche airbase comes months after the Daulat Beg Oldi airfield, situated in the same region near the Karakoram pass, was reactivated by the Air Force in May this year. DBO, as it is known, is the highest airbase in the world and was reactivated for maintaining supplies to troops posted on the border.

However, the third major airfield in Ladakh along the Sino-India border, the Chushul advanced landing ground, which is located at a height of over 5,000 metres, will not be reactivated in the near future. A senior Army officer said that reopening the Chushul airbase is not yet on the MoD’s agenda.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Rahul M » 07 Oct 2008 10:37

sanjaychoudhry wrote:India Reveals Plan to Develop Indigenous Medium Fighter

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... ghter.html

India reveals plan to develop indigenous medium fighter
By Radhakrishna Rao
Click Here

The Indian air force has approached the Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which designed and developed India's fourth-generation Tejas light combat aircraft, to prepare a detailed project report on the development of 20t medium combat aircraft (MCA) with stealth features.

if true, great news. question is, how reliable is radhakrishna rao and flightglobal ?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby asbchakri » 07 Oct 2008 10:50

Rahul M wrote:
sanjaychoudhry wrote:India Reveals Plan to Develop Indigenous Medium Fighter

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... ghter.html

India reveals plan to develop indigenous medium fighter
By Radhakrishna Rao
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The Indian air force has approached the Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which designed and developed India's fourth-generation Tejas light combat aircraft, to prepare a detailed project report on the development of 20t medium combat aircraft (MCA) with stealth features.

if true, great news. question is, how reliable is radhakrishna rao and flightglobal ?


Dont we have any guys on this forum who work in ADA or know someone in ADA to verify the story.

But if it is really true it is awsome news 8) . If they start the project now how long would they take to designa and launch the first prototype. I dont think it would take as long as teh LCA, as the exp gained in LCA including the issues wil help to complete the project in quick time. And also which aircraft will it replace, the M2000, jaguars??

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Postby krishnan » 07 Oct 2008 10:58

Article states it will replace both mirages and jags

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Postby vavinash » 07 Oct 2008 11:12

Also Mig-29's and Mig-27's

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Postby Raj Malhotra » 07 Oct 2008 12:11

I think LCA has slowly started morfying into new projects. LCA to stealth UCAV and LCA to MCA. I hope engine development pact with France will take care of future developments of the engine also.

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Postby kit » 07 Oct 2008 12:22

I suppose this is a replacement for ...?? What about PAK FA? I suppose IAF doesnt want the LCA and instead they want this MCA ?? Even US is going for 1 high end and 1 low end (sic!) F22/35 combo .. So India wants LCA/MCA/MRCA/PAKFA ..Su 30 ? i am starting to get a headache !

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Postby Rahul M » 07 Oct 2008 12:48

^^
that's still less than the no of types operated by IAF now ! :wink:

I am looking at this programme in the following way :
>su-30 is the top end now. roles include air superiority (air dominance according to some, not sure of the difference, if there exists one other than in spelling) and long range strikes against high value targets.
>PAKFA will take this role in the future(starting 2020-25). in an increasingly stealthy environment the su will probably undertake the role of stand-off jammers and long range self-escorting bombers.
>MRCA fills in the shortfall of jag/M2K/Mig-29 type a/c numbers for now
>MCA would fill in the role of a stealthy jack of all trades a/c in the future. stealth MRCA, if you will.
> IAF CANNOT afford enough a/c of the above category to fill in the numbers. it still needs comparatively cheap a/c to station in the various interceptor sqdns along the borders. It is the LCA that is a cost effective replacement for the entire gamut of fighters of the mig tween series, the mig-21/23/27 and even the 29 to some extent.

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Postby Avinash R » 07 Oct 2008 13:20

Rahul M wrote:
sanjaychoudhry wrote:India Reveals Plan to Develop Indigenous Medium Fighter

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... ghter.html

India reveals plan to develop indigenous medium fighter
By Radhakrishna Rao
Click Here

The Indian air force has approached the Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which designed and developed India's fourth-generation Tejas light combat aircraft, to prepare a detailed project report on the development of 20t medium combat aircraft (MCA) with stealth features.


this was originally posted by John A but he mistakenly opened a new thread and that was locked. bit dated news but relevant with the news on mca having stealth features. more such research may have taken place but only few are being let out to the press.

Indian scientists develop stealth tech
26 Mar 2006, 1051 hrs IST, Prithvijit Mitra
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 464563.cms

KOLKATA: India could soon be the third country in the world, after the US and France, to have a stealth bomber fighter aircraft in its armoury.

The Kolkata-based Indian Association for Cultivation of Science (IACS) has developed a technology to convert ordinary light combat aircraft into stealth jets that would go undetected on radar. The first stage of the experiment, which commenced in 1999, has been successfully concluded. The defence ministry has approved the technology and has given the go-ahead for "full-scale production" to begin. It is expected to start in about six months’ time.

According to IACS scientists associated with the project, the technology uses a special material to construct a shield on the plexi-glass canopies. It is the glass cover of the cockpit that usually betrays the presence of an aircraft as it reflects the laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar. The shield will cover the cockpit and deflect the laser beam on the shield in all directions.

"This will make sure the aircraft remains undetected on the radar. We are not sure if the same technology is used in France and the US. It has been developed in our own way and using our own techniques. If it works out well, this would be a big step for defence technology in India," said a scientist.

Defence officials said the advanced combat aircraft made in the US and France have a similar shield on the plexi-glass canopies. "This shield gives the canopies a golden tinge. This special layer scatters the laser beams emitted from a radar site either on the ground or in the air (AWACS). We’ve been trying to develop this technology for some time. The shield developed by IACS will boost our indigenisation efforts," an official said.

During the exercises at Kalaikunda where US F-16s took part, IAF officials got a closer look at the gold-tinted canopies. They also got a chance to test the technique by using ground-based radar. Interestingly, the F-16s from Singapore did not have the shield as the technology has not been transferred.

The defence authorities were so impressed with the new technology that they decided to fast-track the process and start full-scale production of the canopy following a test at Jodhpur recently.

"They had the option of going for a pilot project initially but they chose to skip it," said an IACS official. Fighter jets like Jaguars, MiGs, Mirages and Sukhois will now be fitted with this special canopy to enhance their stealth capabilities.

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Postby asbchakri » 07 Oct 2008 13:27

Rahul M wrote:^^
that's still less than the no of types operated by IAF now ! :wink:

I am looking at this programme in the following way :
>su-30 is the top end now. roles include air superiority (air dominance according to some, not sure of the difference, if there exists one other than in spelling) and long range strikes against high value targets.
>PAKFA will take this role in the future(starting 2020-25). in an increasingly stealthy environment the su will probably undertake the role of stand-off jammers and long range self-escorting bombers.
>MRCA fills in the shortfall of jag/M2K/Mig-29 type a/c numbers for now
>MCA would fill in the role of a stealthy jack of all trades a/c in the future. stealth MRCA, if you will.
> IAF CANNOT afford enough a/c of the above category to fill in the numbers. it still needs comparatively cheap a/c to station in the various interceptor sqdns along the borders. It is the LCA that is a cost effective replacement for the entire gamut of fighters of the mig tween series, the mig-21/23/27 and even the 29 to some extent.



Also since LCA and MCA are our products, we can produce them in numbers. Also i think when MCA comes in LCA production might stop/reduce at whatever numbers are produced by then.

I'm also hoping MCA will in future be developed to what Rafeal is now to France. A fighter aircraft that fits in all roles :D

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Postby neerajb » 07 Oct 2008 13:39

According to IACS scientists associated with the project, the technology uses a special material to construct a shield on the plexi-glass canopies. It is the glass cover of the cockpit that usually betrays the presence of an aircraft as it reflects the laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar. The shield will cover the cockpit and deflect the laser beam on the shield in all directions.


I have seen this article many times before and I am wondering why none asked this question before. How this gold tinge canopy going to add to stealth value? The only application that I know of laser is in laser rangefinders for IRST and anyway the other guy must be having a radar set too. If the other guy is trying to range you then you have already been detected. Someone enlighten!

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby krishnan » 07 Oct 2008 13:50

What i understood was it reduces the frontal RCS

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Postby Rahul M » 07 Oct 2008 14:13

this was originally posted by John A but he mistakenly opened a new thread and that was locked. bit dated news but relevant with the news on mca having stealth features. more such research may have taken place but only few are being let out to the press.

true. DRDO routinely funds such programmes. know of ones concerning GaAs and nanotech. also shape memory alloys.

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Postby Bharadwaj » 07 Oct 2008 14:19

Stealth(at least the shaping part of it) is no longer the voodoo that its made out to be by the yankee fanboys. What counts is money and time-if you have more of the former you can get away with less of the latter. Given the tools and parameters that have been developed for the Lca-it will not be too difficult for ADA to get at least a decent level of frontal stealth with the MCA.

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Postby kit » 07 Oct 2008 14:53

laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar ???

some thing doesnt make sense here ... are they talking about LIDARS or RADARS ???

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Postby bart » 07 Oct 2008 15:24

That article seems to be badly botched up by DDM. Doesn't make sense and seems very simplistic. Is there any direct link or brochure available from IACS?

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Postby Rahul M » 07 Oct 2008 15:31

IACS wallas would be the last people to put stuff on website, at least that's my take.
here's the site : http://www.iacs.res.in/

I would guess it's the advanced materials dept.

a word of caution though, I'm sure this tech is not ready to use at the moment, neither will IACS be able to complete that. DRDO labs will need to work on those aspects before it becomes an engineering technology.

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IAF to spend Rs 500 cr on base repair depot infrastructure

The maintenance command of the Indian Air Force (IAF) has taken up a large scale infrastructure development programme worth Rs 500 crore, for its base repair depots (BRDs) spread across the length and breadth of the country, a top IAF official said today.

"The offset clause inserted by the Union Defence Ministry in the Defence Procurement Programme (DPP) 2008 will help the maintenance command in carrying out infrastructure development," IAF Maintenance Command Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief Air Marshal Gautam Nayyar told PTI here.

The offset clause makes a vendor invest 30 to 50 per cent back in public sector undertakings (PSUs) or indigenous industry in the country, he said.

Under the programme, the vendors (mostly foreign) are obliged to transfer specific and engineering drawings to the command, which was not available earlier. Earlier, it was restricted to reverse engineering, Nayyar said.

The infrastructure development programme launched recently will be completed by year 2011, he said adding that for the maintenance command the next 5-10 years are very crucial for carrying out developmental activities.

The maintenance command has taken up massive upgradation of its existing fleet of aircraft, Nayyar said.

The MiG-21 fighter planes, which earned a bad name due to frequent crashes, have been upgraded to Bison at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in Nashik leading to reduction in number of crashes, he said.

Jaguar aircraft upgradation is under progress at HAL, Bangalore while negotiations are underway for Mirage upgradation with the original equipment provider from France. Initial upgradation will be carried out in France and later at HAL, Bangalore, he said.

MiG-29 upgradation contract has already been finalised with a Russian company and will be done at 11 BRD in Nashik, Nayyar said.

Negotiations are on for upgradation of transport aircraft AN-32 with Ukraine. After initial work in Ukraine, the transport plane will undergo upgradation at 1 BRD in Kanpur. With this, the life of an AN-32 will be enhanced from 25 to 40 years, he said.

About helicopters, Nayyar said the MI-8 machines, which are nearing expiry are being replaced by MI-17 choppers, which have night vision (capability) goggles (NVGs).

IAF has plans to set up a first-of-its-kind engineering college in Bangalore where students after completion of standard 12, will be directly admitted to various branches of engineering to be inducted in the air force later, Nayyar said in reply to a question.

But the proposal is awaiting clearence from the finance ministry, he said.

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IAF to switch over to modern communication system, AFNET
The Indian Air Force (IAF) will soon switch over to a modern communication system - AFNET, with foolproof security in the areas of operation, maintenance and administration, a top IAF official said today.

"We are not importing any foreign technology for the new Air Force Network (AFNET) but are doing it indigenously. Work is being carried out on an optic fibre technology and simultaneously through satellite," IAF Maintenance Command Air Officer Commanding-in-chief Air Marshal Gautam Nayyar told PTI here.

"This will improve and enhance the communication network with broadband and help transfer of data and information quickly," Nayyar said.

All maintenance work carried out on fighter aircraft at base repair depots will be through e-documentation and data like age of aircraft, replacement of oil and particular components, history of accidents and safety record will be transmitted to depots when the aircarft is sent there, Nayyar said adding soon all work would be paperless.

The all-India network which IAF is depending on at present is quite old and we have decided to be on par with modern times, he said.

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Postby Raj Malhotra » 07 Oct 2008 21:57

A Sharma wrote:[url=http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=617150]
Negotiations are on for upgradation of transport aircraft AN-32 with Ukraine. After initial work in Ukraine, the transport plane will undergo upgradation at 1 BRD in Kanpur. With this, the life of an AN-32 will be enhanced from 25 to 40 years, he said.

About helicopters, Nayyar said the MI-8 machines, which are nearing expiry are being replaced by MI-17 choppers, which have night vision (capability) goggles (NVGs).



Upgradation of An-32 will be massive programme, which may require something like 200+ engines. Further we have been purchasing hyuge number of Mi-17s and even current purchase of 80 helos mean around 160-200 engines.

I think we should take ToT for licensed manufacture of these engines as we did for Mig-29 engines. Atleast there will be some value addition from our side apart from screw driver assembly at BRD

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Avinash R wrote:this was originally posted by John A but he mistakenly opened a new thread and that was locked. bit dated news but relevant with the news on mca having stealth features. more such research may have taken place but only few are being let out to the press.

Indian scientists develop stealth tech
26 Mar 2006, 1051 hrs IST, Prithvijit Mitra
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 464563.cms

KOLKATA: India could soon be the third country in the world, after the US and France, to have a stealth bomber fighter aircraft in its armoury.

The Kolkata-based Indian Association for Cultivation of Science (IACS) has developed a technology to convert ordinary light combat aircraft into stealth jets that would go undetected on radar. The first stage of the experiment, which commenced in 1999, has been successfully concluded. The defence ministry has approved the technology and has given the go-ahead for "full-scale production" to begin. It is expected to start in about six months’ time.

According to IACS scientists associated with the project, the technology uses a special material to construct a shield on the plexi-glass canopies. It is the glass cover of the cockpit that usually betrays the presence of an aircraft as it reflects the laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar. The shield will cover the cockpit and deflect the laser beam on the shield in all directions.

"This will make sure the aircraft remains undetected on the radar. We are not sure if the same technology is used in France and the US. It has been developed in our own way and using our own techniques. If it works out well, this would be a big step for defence technology in India," said a scientist.

Defence officials said the advanced combat aircraft made in the US and France have a similar shield on the plexi-glass canopies. "This shield gives the canopies a golden tinge. This special layer scatters the laser beams emitted from a radar site either on the ground or in the air (AWACS). We’ve been trying to develop this technology for some time. The shield developed by IACS will boost our indigenisation efforts," an official said.

During the exercises at Kalaikunda where US F-16s took part, IAF officials got a closer look at the gold-tinted canopies. They also got a chance to test the technique by using ground-based radar. Interestingly, the F-16s from Singapore did not have the shield as the technology has not been transferred.

The defence authorities were so impressed with the new technology that they decided to fast-track the process and start full-scale production of the canopy following a test at Jodhpur recently.

"They had the option of going for a pilot project initially but they chose to skip it," said an IACS official. Fighter jets like Jaguars, MiGs, Mirages and Sukhois will now be fitted with this special canopy to enhance their stealth capabilities.

Well there is some DDM misreporting due to use of the world Laser, but ignoring that to read Laser beam as Radar beam, the report holds water.

The frontal RCS even for a clean aircraft configuration (i.e. no external payload) the largest contribution to RCS is indeed from scattering from cockpit. unfortunately everything that is transparent to optical waves is also transparent to microwave radiation. Yamri khans stealth planes have addressed the issue by special treatment of the cockpit glass. RF/stealth engineers solve that problem by coating thin film on the inner surface of the glass/plexiglass. The film will use a combination of RF reflection or absorption techniques. (mostly reflection). One method is to Gold deposition with enough conductivity to present a reflecting surface to microwave, yet the film is thin enough to allow optical radiation pass though with little attenuation. That itself will reduce very significantly the large RCS from cockpit.

BTW this gold film give that brown green tinge to cockpit glass of US stealth planes.

Gold deposition is done either by CVD (Chemical Vapour Deposition) or old style vacuum deposition.

Good job by Kolkata-based Indian Association for Cultivation of Science (IACS) is worthy of commendation.


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