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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby neerajb » 10 Feb 2009 14:33

A $1 billion deal to replace the Russian-made Shilka air defense system has drawn no bidders, though Russia has offered licensed production of the Shilka system as a separate arrangement.


Strange! Russia is advertising Pantsir system as the successor of Tanguska/Shilka. Why haven't they offered pantsir? Why license produce Shilka when you already have Tanguska?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby KiranM » 10 Feb 2009 14:56

^^^ Vikhr is a laser beam riding missile. It will require supporting systems on LCH which will not be needed once Nag comes online. Hence, waste of expenditure.

Only missile in the same class of Nag, fired by a helicopter and available for induction in near future is Spike.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sunilUpa » 10 Feb 2009 19:26

Honeywell offers flight safety systems to Indian Air Force

Bangalore, Feb 10 (IANS) US aerospace products major Honeywell will equip the six C-130J Super Hercules aircraft the Indian Air Force (IAF) is acquiring with the military version of its traffic collision alerting system and other key safety devices worth $10 million, the company said Tuesday.

“Honeywell expects to deliver key aircraft systems that will enhance flight safety -including our aircraft collision avoidance system,” Honeywell vice president Vicki Panhuise said a day ahead of the opening of the seventh edition of the Aero India international air show here.


Honeywell has also raised the pitch to re-engine the IAF’s Jaguar strike aircraft with its F125IN turbofan that it says will considerably enhance the jet’s performance.

“The F125IN is an outstanding propulsion system. It will transform the Jaguars by improving mission performance, enhancing pilot safety, reducing pilot workload and reducing maintenance costs,” Panhuise pointed out.


This is the secondtime I am reading about re-engine programme for Jaguras..

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sergo » 10 Feb 2009 19:34

Kazan helicopter plant have never made Mi-26.
Manufacturer of Mi-26 is Rostvertol PLC.
http://www.rostvertolplc.ru/ENG/index1.htm

To compare Mi-26 vs Chinook...
If some body need real (not wiki) PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS and operations limitations I can post this.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby ajay_ijn » 10 Feb 2009 19:39

sunilUpa wrote:Honeywell offers flight safety systems to Indian Air Force

Bangalore, Feb 10 (IANS) US aerospace products major Honeywell will equip the six C-130J Super Hercules aircraft the Indian Air Force (IAF) is acquiring with the military version of its traffic collision alerting system and other key safety devices worth $10 million, the company said Tuesday.

“Honeywell expects to deliver key aircraft systems that will enhance flight safety -including our aircraft collision avoidance system,” Honeywell vice president Vicki Panhuise said a day ahead of the opening of the seventh edition of the Aero India international air show here.


Honeywell has also raised the pitch to re-engine the IAF’s Jaguar strike aircraft with its F125IN turbofan that it says will considerably enhance the jet’s performance.

“The F125IN is an outstanding propulsion system. It will transform the Jaguars by improving mission performance, enhancing pilot safety, reducing pilot workload and reducing maintenance costs,” Panhuise pointed out.


This is the secondtime I am reading about re-engine programme for Jaguras..

did we face any problems with honeywell during 1998 sanctions? or did HAL managed to completely indigenize the engine.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sergo » 10 Feb 2009 19:55

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby ajay_ijn » 10 Feb 2009 20:01

sergo, its known that Mi-26 has more capability to lift loads but then its a hangar queen and thats forcing India to look for other helicopters.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sergo » 10 Feb 2009 20:04

Americans from the beginning of war in Afghanistan lease ours Mi-26 specially for flights in high mountains of Afghanistan

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sergo » 10 Feb 2009 20:11

I shall not agree with you - hangar queen..
I am an Мi-26 engineer . In our company they works 100-150 hours per month.
Of course, for civil application :)

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby kidoman » 10 Feb 2009 20:16

sergo wrote:I shall not agree with you - hangar queen..
I am an Мi-26 engineer . In our company they works 100-150 hours per month.
Of course, for civil application :)


Hi Sego,
Welcome to BRF.
Can you please enlighten us on the new avatar of Mi-26 i.e Mi-46?
What are the significant advantages of it over Mi-26.
And how does it compare w.r.t the chinnook?

Thanks..
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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby ajay_ijn » 10 Feb 2009 20:17

sergo wrote:I shall not agree with you - hangar queen..
I am an Мi-26 engineer . In our company they works 100-150 hours per month.
Of course, for civil application :)

IAF is frustrated with maintainence problems of some russian aircraft, lack of spares etc. recent news of 70% of Russian Mig-29s have problems is not susprising anyone.

But can you tell me why Mi-26 is not in production? its a gr8 aircraft and still could many customers provided maintainence issues are resolved. why don't they simply produce modernized Mi-26 like Mi-17, IL-76 instead of going in for new design, Mi-46.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Anujan » 10 Feb 2009 22:02

Bad news and good news in Ajai Shukla's blog about LCH.

extra weight and delays in manufacturing the tooling on which the LCH will be fabricated --- have pushed back the first flight by up to a year.

The private sector company that has designed the LCH’s fuselage, Plexion Technologies, is working overtime to cut down the extra 250 kg. Meanwhile HAL is trying to convince the air force to accept the first prototype with some extra weight, so that flight tests can begin

The air-to-air missile, which will be bought from abroad, has not been selected. The LCH was to be fitted with the DRDO’s Nag anti-tank missile, but the services want a missile that can hit tanks at 7 kilometers

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sergo » 10 Feb 2009 23:24

First of all sorry for my english!

Dear ajay_ijn, Who? Who did you say that Mi-26 now it's not in production?

Mi-26 modernization for example:
http://www.mi-helicopter.ru/eng/index.php?id=213

Mi-46 exist only on project level.
Mi-46 is not Mi-26.
Primary goal Ми-46 to fill niche between 5 tons Мi-8MTV(Mi-171,Mi-172,Ka-32) and 20 tons Ми-26, after Mi-6 finished operations.
Mi-46 load capacity 10..12 tons.

Maximum take-off mass 30 tons.
Cruise speed - 270 km/h.
Static ceiling - 2300 m
Dynamic ceiling - 5000 m.
Practical range - 400 kms.
Range with full charging - 750 km.
Mi-46 can transport up to 60 passengers or 10-12 tons.

The project detains absence of the engine with power 7500 - 8000 h.p.
:x

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sergo » 10 Feb 2009 23:27

Sorry,
...Primary goal Mi-46 to fill niche between 5 tons Мi-8MTV(Mi-171,Mi-172,Ka-32) and 20 tons Mi-26...

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Surya » 10 Feb 2009 23:28

welcome sergo

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby SaiK » 11 Feb 2009 00:29

news about Ka-52s?.. and why IA/IAF would not seek for it?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Vipul » 11 Feb 2009 01:11

Antonov Design Bureau to present new multipurpose An-74.

Antonov Design Bureau will present a program for the new An-74 multipurpose patrol aircraft at AeroIndia-2009 Airshow, which will take place in Bengaluru on Feb. 11-15.

During the exhibition, Ukraine and India are to discuss both the existing and new sectors of cooperation in aerospace industry, Interfax-Ukraine learned at Antonov Design Bureau's press service.

The modernized An-74 multipurpose aircraft is currently taking part at an international tender on aircraft supply to India's coast guard.

Ukraine is participating in the tender in cooperation with Sweden, Germany and India. The European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS), Israel, Canada and Russia are taking part in the tender as well.

Apart from this, the Antonov Design Bureau and the French company Thales jointly presented a modernized version of An-74 plane at a tender to supply patrol planes to the Indian navy.

According to the source, the results of both tenders may be announced in the middle of 2009.
The overall volume of An-74 supplies to Indian defense structures may exceed 20 aircraft.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Div » 11 Feb 2009 08:18

Anujan wrote:Bad news and good news in Ajai Shukla's blog about LCH.

extra weight and delays in manufacturing the tooling on which the LCH will be fabricated --- have pushed back the first flight by up to a year.

The private sector company that has designed the LCH’s fuselage, Plexion Technologies, is working overtime to cut down the extra 250 kg. Meanwhile HAL is trying to convince the air force to accept the first prototype with some extra weight, so that flight tests can begin

The air-to-air missile, which will be bought from abroad, has not been selected. The LCH was to be fitted with the DRDO’s Nag anti-tank missile, but the services want a missile that can hit tanks at 7 kilometers

Ah yes...the usual scope creep. Been wondering how long it would take for someone in the Indian Military to get the latest ATGM brochures. :|

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby KiranM » 11 Feb 2009 18:51

This is what I read about Mig-29. Don't know its veracity, but is an interesting read.

Quoting excerpt

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It's quick and dirty, basically a flying AK-47.

Super short take off from mud strips is allowed by the top mounted air intakes. The shutters on the main intakes close, and the top intakes literally suck the air to provide additional lift and prevent all the crapp and being sucked into the turbines. One of it's main requirements it to be able to operate together with the SU-25. Where Frogfoot goes, the Fulcrum has to.

High maintenance costs of the Fulcrum are also misunderstood. Being a mobile front line fighter filed maintenance was out of the question, and all maintenance aspects were design to be modular. Modules were designed to be switched out by untrained personal and sent back for re-manufacturing, instead of hulling a whole crew around.

Short engine life and slow turbine spin-ups and its distinctive smoke trail also make perfect sense considering the built in ability to run on dirty fuel. Fulcrum can be fueled by a mix of low grade kerosene mixed with diesel, just like the SU-25.

Heavy shaft gives the engines to superb stall resistance at massive AOAs and allow them to chew through all kinds of crapp sucked in from the dirt puddles it was designed to operate from.
.....


Link: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread205898/pg2

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Vipul » 11 Feb 2009 20:14

Combat Helicopter prototype will fly in 2009: HAL design chief.

The prototype of India's Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) is presently being built and will fly by the end of the year, said HAL Rotor Wing Research & Development Centre (RWRDC) Design Chief Dr Prasad Sampath. He was speaking on 'Development of Helicopters in India – An Overview' today, at the Aero India 2009 International Seminar on 'Aerospace – Perspectives and Trends in Technologies', being held in Bengaluru from 9 to 12 February.

He said that the cockpit and fuselage design for LCH was complete, and the mock up trials were over last year. All dynamic systems of the LCH are identical to HAL's Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) and only the fuselage and the landing gear have been designed afresh for the fighting version of the chopper.

After considerable design analysis, the weight class of the LCH has been maintained the same as the ALH, and therefore there should be little difficulty in the prototype successfully flying, he said.

The HAL RWRDC has also developed a helicopter simulator called the Hats-Off Simulator, which can be fitted with all the different cockpit mockups of the different choppers that HAL makes, he said.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby pkudva » 11 Feb 2009 21:40

The LCH was supposed to fly in Dec-08,but got postponed and now the date has been fixed in Dec-09.Quite a delay.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby andy B » 12 Feb 2009 06:36

Aerospace Industry In India


(Source: Aero India; undated)



Indian industry today is on the threshold of entering into a new era where it will assume greater responsibility in making the nation self-reliant in Defence Production. The resurgence of India’s manufacturing sector has been remarkable. Not only are the profits soaring, the sector is also making its presence felt abroad as many Indian firms are becoming transnational companies.

The Indian manufacturing sector is internationally competitive with international quality standards, efficiency and manufacturing facilities. India is fast developing into a manufacturing hub for world corporations wanting to leverage the sector’s proven skills in product design, reconfiguration and customization with creativity, assured quality and value addition.

India, also keen to strengthen its own aerospace industry and has asked major weapon exporting countries to transfer technology to India.

Indian Aerospace Industry
The Indian Aerospace Industry is witnessing an unprecedented growth. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which is fully owned by the Government of India, is the premier aerospace company in the country. HAL has played a major role in the Defence aviation of India through design, manufacture and overhaul of fighters, trainers, helicopters, transport aircraft, engines, avionics and system equipment. HAL is now ranked 34th in the list of world’s top 100 defence companies.

HAL is a major partner for the Space programmes of Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) and manufactures structures and assemblies for the launch vehicles and satellites at its dedicated Aerospace Division in Bangalore.

The civil aviation sector in India is growing rapidly. It has recorded annual growth of over 41% in passenger traffic during in the last two years. In fact, it has contributed significantly to the growth of international civil aviation sector. The rapid growth of civil aviation has put extreme pressure on the existing civil aviation infrastructure. As a result, the thrust is now on modernization of airports, communications, navigation and surveillance systems for air traffic management, radars and facilities for Maintenance Repair and Overhaul of aircraft and sub systems.

There is thus enormous potential and huge opportunities for collaboration and creation of joint ventures in the aerospace sector in India for establishing Maintenance Repair Overhaul (MRO) facilities for civil and military aircraft, overhaul and maintenance of aero engines and production of avionics, components and accessories both in the civil and military aviation sectors. Major global aviation industry are already eyeing the local market in India and scouting for outsourcing aerospace and defence products as India is fast emerging as a center for engineering and design services.

1. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (Hal)
HAL, a Defence PSU, is a major player in the global aviation arena. It has built up comprehensive skills in design, manufacture and overhaul of fighters, trainers, helicopters, transport aircraft, engines, avionics and system equipment. Its product track record consists of 12 types of aircraft from in-house R&D and 14 types by licence production inclusive of 8 types of aero engines and over 1000 items of aircraft system equipment (avionics, mechanical, electrical).

HAL has produced over 3550 aircraft, 3650 aero-engines and overhauled around 8750 aircraft & 28400 engines besides manufacture/overhaul of related accessories and avionics. The Company has the requisite core competence base with a demonstrated potential to become a global player.

HAL has 19 production divisions for manufacture and overhaul of aircraft, helicopters, engine and accessories. It has also 9 R&D Centres to give a thrust to research & development.

HAL’s major supplies/services are to Indian Air Force, Indian Navy, Indian Army, Coast Guard and Border Security Force. Transport aircraft and Helicopters have been supplied to Airlines as well as State Governments. The Company has also achieved a foothold in export in more than 20 countries, having demonstrated its quality and price competitiveness. HAL is a major partner for the Space Vehicle programmes of the Indian Space Research Organisation. It has also diversified into the fields of industrial & marine gas turbine business and real-time software business.

HAL is now ranked 34th in the list of world’s top 100 defence companies. HAL continues its growth with a sales turnover of 2.1 Billion US Dollars during the financial year 2007-08. It has doubled its turnover in 3 years. It has declared profit before tax of 538 Million US Dollars. The company has made supplies to almost all the major aerospace companies in the World like Airbus, Boeing, IAI, IRKUT, Honeywell and Ruag etc.

All the production Divisions of HAL have ISO 9001-2000 accreditation and sixteen divisions have ISO-14001-2004 environment management system (EMS) certification. Six divisions have also implemented the aerospace sector quality management system requirements stated in As 9100 standard and obtained certification. Four of these divisions have also obtained NADCAP certification (National Aerospace Defence Contractors Accreditation programme –USA) for special processes such as NDT, heat treatment, welding etc.

In order to meet with the challenges in the 21st Century, the Company has redefined its mission as follows:

“To become a globally competitive aerospace industry while working as an instrument for achieving self-reliance in design, manufacture and maintenance of aerospace equipment, Civil Transport Aircraft, helicopter & missiles and diversifying to related areas, managing the business on commercial lines in a climate of growing professional competence.”

HAL has successfully designed & developed the Advanced Light Helicopter, which is currently being operated by the Defence Services of India and private Companies. The Advanced Light Helicopter also has great export potential. Apart from licence production of front line fighters like Su-30 MKI, HAL is also developing the following products through design and development:
-- Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT)
-- Light combat helicopter (LCH)
-- Weaponization of Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH)
-- Tejas-Light Combat Aircraft

2. Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO)
Government of India established the Department of Space in 1972 to promote development and application of space science and technology in the country for the socio-economic benefits. Indian Space Research organization (ISRO) is the primary agency under the Department of Space for executing space programmes. During the early seventies, India undertook demonstration of space applications for communication, television broadcasting and remote sensing building experimental satellites namely, APPLE, Bhaskara – and experimental satellite launch vehicles, SLV-3 and ASLV.

Today, India has an impressive array of achievements with the largest constellation of domestic communication satellites called Indian National Satellite System (INSAT) in the Asia pacific region with about 210 transponders in orbit. And, India has plans to augment the capacity with the launching of INSAT satellites and increase it to about 500 in 4-5 years to meet its growing needs.

India also has the largest constellation of earth observation satellites called Indian Remote Sensing (IRS) satellites with better than one meter resolution. IRS data is being used for a variety of applications such as crop yield estimation, drinking water missions, waste land development, forest cover mapping and a host of other applications benefiting the common man. Using INSATs, besides TV Broadcasting, telecommunications and meteorological applications societal applications such as tele-education, telemedicine applications have been operationalised. Village Resource Centers (VRCs) combining the services of IRS and INSAT satellites for providing an array of services have been established. India, today is considered as a leader in the application of space technology. INSAT and IRS satellites are also providing invaluable services in disaster management.

To put the IRS and INSAT satellites into orbit, India has developed two work horse launch vehicles namely the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) and Geo-synchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV). PSLV weighing about 300 tons at lift off has the capability to put 1500 kg satellite in polar sun-synchronous orbit. PSLV with eleven consecutively successful launches has demonstrated its high reliability. PSLV has launched eight satellites for various customers from abroad. GSLV with four successful flights is capable of launching 2200 kg satellites into geo-stationary Transfer Orbit. India has also created world class facilities at its space port in Sriharikota near Chennai with launch pads besides a host of test facilities for testing satellites and launch vehicle systems.

3. Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO)
DRDO is a network of 52 Defence Laboratories in India which are deeply engaged in developing critical defence technologies covering various disciplines like aeronautics, armaments, electronics, combat vehicles, engineering system, instrumentation, missiles, advanced computing and simulation, special materials, naval systems, life sciences, information systems and agriculture.

Presently over 5000 scientists and about 25000 other scientific technical and supporting personnel back the organization. Several major projects for the development of missiles, armaments, light combat aircrafts, radars, electronic warfare systems etc are on hand and significant achievements have already been made in several such technologies.

4. Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL)
BEL was established in 1954 to meet the specialized electronic needs of the country’s defence services, is a multi-product, multi-technology, multi-unit company. It serves the needs of domestic and foreign customers with the products/services manufactured in its nine state-of-the-art ISO 9001/2 and ISO 14000 certified manufacturing plants in India.

BEL manufactures a wide repertoire of products in the field of Radars, Naval systems, Defence Communication, Telecommunication and Broadcasting, Electronic Warfare, Opto Electronics, Tank Electronics and Electronic Components. With the expertise developed over the years, the company also provides turnkey systems solutions and Electronic Manufacturing Services (EMS) on “Build to Print” and “Build to Spec” basis. BEL has become a US $ 1 Billion company in the financial year 2007-08.

5. Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL)
BDL is fully owned by the Government of India, was established in 1970. BDL manufactures guided weapons & related test equipment, Launchers, under water weapon systems and decoys for the Indian Defence Services. BDL is the nominated Production Agency for the indigenous Integrated Missile Development Programme.

Starting with production of 1st Generation Anti tank Guided missiles, the Company has grown into a multi technology and multi product organization. Collaborative association with DRDO and world leaders in missile manufacturing has enabled BDL assimilate critical technologies and emerge as a globally competitive and reliable defence equipment manufacturer.

6. Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML Limited)
BEML Limited, Government of India Company, is one of the largest manufacturers and suppliers of earthmoving, construction and mining equipment in Asia. With over 42 years of experience, BEML is one of the premier engineering companies in India and plays a significant role in providing vital inputs to the core sectors of the economy, apart from manufacturing a wide range of tailor-made equipment for the Indian Defence sector.

BEML manufactures a wide range of sophisticated hi-tech equipment like bulldozers, rear dump truck, front-end loaders, hydraulic excavators, rope shovels, motor graders, walking draglines, pipe layers, tyre handling equipment, aircraft towing tractor, heavy duty transportation trailers, heavy duty trucks and its prime movers, rail coaches including day coaches, sleeper coaches, postal vans, track-laying equipment, overhead Inspection cars, diesel engines and gensets.

7. Ordnance Factory Board (OFB)
The Indian Ordnance Factories possess the unique distinction of more than 200 years of experience in Defence production. Under the aegis of its corporate headquarters the Ordnance Factory Board, the organization is currently engaged in production, logistics, research & development and trade in the field of defence.

Ordnance Factory Board offers comprehensive range in the areas of land, naval and air defence systems. These include small, medium and large caliber weapons & ammunition, mortars, explosives, pyrotechnics, armoured & soft skin vehicles, optical & night vision devices, parachutes and troop comfort items.

8. Mishra Dhatu Nigam Limited (MIDHANI)
MIDHANI – an ISO 9002 company - caters to domestic and international customers with modern metallurgical facilities and high degree of technical competence for manufacturing its diverse product mix of superalloys, titanium alloys, special purpose steels, electrical resistance & softmagnetic alloys, molybedenum and other alloys meeting the stringent requirements of the strategic sectors like defence, aerospace, power and general engineering etc.

MIDHANI employs its highly integrated and flexible manufacturing facilities to produce a wide variety of special metals and alloys in various mill forms such as ingots, forged bars, hot rolled steels and bar, cold rolled sheets, strips and foils, wires, castings and tubes.

9. BrahMos Aerospace
BRAHMOS-supersonic cruise missile is designed for use in multiple platforms- ships, silos, mobile launchers, aircrafts and submarines against land and sea targets. BRAHMOS is the World leader flying all through supersonic with maneuverable trajectories ensuring no reaction time to the enemy and a lethal punch owing to huge kinetic energy of impact.

BRAHMOS has attained 100% success rates in all flight trials proving the adequacy of the missile system to a maximum range of 290 km with high accuracy and lethality establishing the reliability of the system in all weather conditions. Indian Navy & army have started the induction of the weapon system. The system will also be exported to a few friendly countries.




http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... ustry.html

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sum » 12 Feb 2009 10:47

pkudva wrote:The LCH was supposed to fly in Dec-08,but got postponed and now the date has been fixed in Dec-09.Quite a delay.

Thats what happens if you shoot your mouth off with unrealistic schedules just to bag the order. To be fair to HAL though, if they mention the correct schedules, the IAF will say too late and will go for foreign brochures.

Weird situation for HAL!!! :-?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby krishnan » 12 Feb 2009 10:59

At last HAL/DRDO learning few tricks from ruskies :P

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby parshuram » 12 Feb 2009 12:08

pkudva wrote:The LCH was supposed to fly in Dec-08,but got postponed and now the date has been fixed in Dec-09.Quite a delay.



I some time wonder is this delay calculated ?? I mean while planning does HAL actauully plans for possible reasons for delay ?? If yes then why do the re -appear time and then for almost every project . Do we ever learn ?? .. Typical example of poor project management

similarly Is this daye for Dec 09 has been published with an calcluated effort or it has just appeared as another date to be delayed in future

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Nitesh » 12 Feb 2009 17:29

IAF Set To Grow in Size, Capability: Air Chief

BANGALORE - The Indian Air Force is to boost its conventional combat edge, said Air Chief Marshal Fali Major.

Addressing a news conference at Aero India 2009 on Feb. 12, Major said the fleet strength of the IAF will increase from the current level of 34 squadrons (18 aircraft to one squadron) to 39.5 squadrons by 2017-20.

Major also announced that the IAF will have a dedicated satellite capability by 2010.

The possession of a dedicated satellite capacity will give a boost to the Aerospace Command concept of the IAF, and speed up the introduction C4ISR capabilities.

The IAF chief said there will be a structural shift in terms of quality of platforms, saying the current 23 types of platforms are too cumbersome to maintain and the IAF needs to reduce the number of combat aircraft and helicopters types in the fleet.

The IAF is already on a global hunt for the purchase of 126 Medium Range Multiple Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) and has international competitions underway since last year for the purchase of replacements of its existing Cheetah and Chetak helicopters.

Admitting that there are gaps in its low-level radar defenses, Major said efforts are underway to rectify the problem.

The IAF is close to signing a contract for the procurement of 20 Low Level Transportable Radars (LLTRs) worth $ 100 million from Thales of France.

Under the deal, the LLTR will be made by Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL).

Major also said the IAF will procure more unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV). Currently the IAF has Israeli supplied Searcher I, Searcher-II, Heron UAVs.

Sources in the IAF said a UAV procurement of attack UAVs was possible in the near future.
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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby NRao » 12 Feb 2009 18:49

sum wrote:
pkudva wrote:The LCH was supposed to fly in Dec-08,but got postponed and now the date has been fixed in Dec-09.Quite a delay.

Thats what happens if you shoot your mouth off with unrealistic schedules just to bag the order. To be fair to HAL though, if they mention the correct schedules, the IAF will say too late and will go for foreign brochures.

Weird situation for HAL!!! :-?


That is why there needs to be a reliable govt - one to provide proper direction without hurting anyone as far as possible?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Vipul » 12 Feb 2009 19:39

HAL to deliver 260-270 ALHs for Rs16,000 crore.

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has orders to deliver 260 to 270 Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH, christened Dhruv), worth Rs16,000 crore, company Chairman Ashok Baweja said here on Thursday. He told the media at the Aero India 2009 Air Show, underway from 11 to 15 February at the Yelahanka Air Force Station here, that the Bangalore-headquartered defence PSU has an overall order book position in excess of Rs50,000 crore.

The Union Cabinet has just approved HAL's Light Utility Helicopter project. This helicopter would be of three tonne class,he said. HAL has also bagged an order to deliver three Chetak helicopters to Surinam.

HAL would take up development of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mark II – which will be a new aircraft – once it delivers 40 units of the LCA Mark I, including eight limited series production, 20 fighters and 12 trainers.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Katare » 12 Feb 2009 23:52

Order Book of Rs50K corer :eek:

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Postby ajay_ijn » 13 Feb 2009 00:20

some industry news about helicopter bids.
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Trials for hot temperature and high altitude on the RSH and attack procurements were expected to be held this year, he said.

Eurocopter has also been in talks with HAL for about a year on codeveloping and producing a multi-role aircraft in the 10-12-metric-ton class, but it was still early in the design stages.



and militarys never ending shopping list.

Boeing responds to Indias RFI on C-17 globemaster, expects RFP soon
"We received the RFI in 2008 and have now responded," says Boeing Military Aircraft president Chris Chadwick. "We expect to engage in further discussions with India and believe that a request for proposals would come out soon."


Chief has no problem if India & Pakistan have same weapon platform
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"This has been happening for generations. If it is a common platform, it does not bother me," Indian Air Force Chief Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major told reporters here on the sidelines of the Aero India show.

Major said there would be situations in the future when similar equipment and weapons would be with four different adversaries in a conflict. "What actually matters is the exploitation of the platform, your home-grown tactics and how you tweak that system to suit your requirements," he said.

On networking of platforms and weapon system, the IAF chief said the work on the Air Force Net and Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS) was progressing well and the expected AFNET to be completed by June this year.

"All the 165 nodes of the AFNET would be linked by June. Three quarters of the work has been finished already. By June, we will complete this particular phase," he said.

On the Operational Data Link (ODL) for linking all fighter aircraft sensors, Major said the link would be in place by December 2010 or beginning of 2011.

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Postby MN Kumar » 13 Feb 2009 00:52

Sharper Eyes For India's MiGs
Maxim Pyadushkin writes: Besides its Zhuk-AE AESA radar, Russia’s Phazotron-NIIR company is showing another new product at Aero India 2009 – the Zhuk M1E radar, with a mechanical slot array. As deputy director Yuri Guskov explained to Ares, the radar displayed in Bangalore is a production item and will be installed on one of India’s carrier-based MiG-29Ks.

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Guskov said that Phazotron is already working on the next modification of its slot array radars, the Zhuk M2E. This version will have a faster processor, allowing it to classify targets by type (for instance, fighters, bombers and helicopters) and to break-out formation targets flying at 20-30 meters apart. The radar can also be programmed to identify aircraft by type – in the case of a new type, it can record its reflected signal and later use it for identification.

The Zhuk M2E should start flight testing this year. The modernized radar will equip 62 Indian Air Force MiG-29s that MiG is modifying to the MiG-29UPG configuration under contract to the IAF. MiG design bureau chief designer Vladimir Barkovsky said here that the first six aircraft have already been shipped to Russia. The Indian Air Force is expected to receive its first MiG-29UPG in 2010.


Guess this is a regular job for a radar to distinguish threat type. Or is it not?

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Postby Aditya_M » 13 Feb 2009 01:28

Regular.... well, the technology has existed for a while, now the Russians have caught up on the intelligent bits of signal processing and analysis. Will be a good thing to have in the Fulcrum, which on a tech level is pretty old and puts a lot of things in the pilot's hands. Some automation will go a long way.

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Postby MN Kumar » 13 Feb 2009 02:41

Aditya_M wrote:Regular.... well, the technology has existed for a while, now the Russians have caught up on the intelligent bits of signal processing and analysis. Will be a good thing to have in the Fulcrum, which on a tech level is pretty old and puts a lot of things in the pilot's hands. Some automation will go a long way.

But this reference is made for the Zhuk M2E which is going to be a planned upgrade to the Zhuk M1E which we are getting in the Mig29K. So this means we are not going to have this capability on the new K's. IIRC Bars has this capability.

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Postby jaladipc » 13 Feb 2009 03:27

Vipul wrote:HAL to deliver 260-270 ALHs for Rs16,000 crore.

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has orders to deliver 260 to 270 Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH, christened Dhruv), worth Rs16,000 crore, company Chairman Ashok Baweja said here on Thursday. He told the media at the Aero India 2009 Air Show, underway from 11 to 15 February at the Yelahanka Air Force Station here, that the Bangalore-headquartered defence PSU has an overall order book position in excess of Rs50,000 crore.

The Union Cabinet has just approved HAL's Light Utility Helicopter project. This helicopter would be of three tonne class,he said. HAL has also bagged an order to deliver three Chetak helicopters to Surinam.

HAL would take up development of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mark II – which will be a new aircraft – once it delivers 40 units of the LCA Mark I, including eight limited series production, 20 fighters and 12 trainers.

Isnt it will be a pain in the butt when coming to logistics and maintenance?
having only 40 of a peculiar type while the rest 180 of diff type?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Rahul M » 13 Feb 2009 06:55

parshuram wrote:
pkudva wrote:The LCH was supposed to fly in Dec-08,but got postponed and now the date has been fixed in Dec-09.Quite a delay.



I some time wonder is this delay calculated ?? I mean while planning does HAL actauully plans for possible reasons for delay ?? If yes then why do the re -appear time and then for almost every project . Do we ever learn ?? .. Typical example of poor project management

similarly Is this daye for Dec 09 has been published with an calcluated effort or it has just appeared as another date to be delayed in future

while delays are extremely frustrating for jingos and HAL should do utmost to prevent them, a look up on the timelines and delays(if any) of similar projects worldwide might tell a story.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Rahul M » 13 Feb 2009 07:06

not really. these would be iterative versions of same a/c, expect most subsystems and LRUs to be identical.

anyway, this is how most air forces with domestic industries operate. just check how many variations exist for aircrafts like mig-21. :wink:

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby Kartik » 13 Feb 2009 08:21

sunilUpa wrote:
This is the secondtime I am reading about re-engine programme for Jaguras..


actually this again looks more like an aggressive offer being made by the supplier, rather than the IAF taking it forward (similar to the MiG-27 re-engineing by Salyut)..they've even put up a huge billboard near Yelahanka that shows a Jaguar in a tricolour scheme, calling the engine F-125IN.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation

Postby sunilUpa » 13 Feb 2009 08:29

^^Kartik, check out any news related to India on Defensenews, you will see a add by Honelywel on Jaguar re-engine (make the Jaguar Roar or some such thing). The first time I read about it was almost 3-6 months back. I don't think it is supplier driven agenda.
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