Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 May 2009 20:03

Me thinks that the 3 and half friends of Pakistan, do have an enemy living and prospering within Pakistan -- Al Qaida/ETIM!

We too have an enemy within Pakistan -- TSPA.

If our enemy crumbles, then Pakistan, or at least its Pushtun and lawless regions become a platform from where only the enemies of the three and a half friends will mostly be active. It almost makes me like them.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 30 May 2009 20:07

i think tsp is not interested "21st century". their goal is to be barbaric, they imagine themselves as a mix of hun & timur, with every raakit mard fancying his chances as a timur in the making. only, now their entire game plan seems to be to wear out "21st century"-walas with their hubris about their "21st centuryness". what is there for me to think? hamid gul and zaid have said as much many times over.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 May 2009 20:12

raji, when I say 'India has to clean up Pakistan', I mean that nobody else is going to do that on our behalf. It is not in their interest. Their relationships go a long way back and are complex and intertwined. They are not affected by Pakistan in the same way as us. Pakistan gives these three-and-a-half friends a lot of advantage and why should they forego all that ? India is thus left to handle the muck all by itself. In fact, India is seen as a punching bag by these players so that Pakistan can rightfully vent its steam. We have been obliging them by thinking about all possible and impossible things that will lock us up in fear always and prevent us from retaliating, fears such as economic sanctions, use of nukes, loss of moral highground yada yada . .

raji · Post by **raji** » 30 May 2009 20:14

RajeshA wrote:Me thinks that the 3 and half friends of Pakistan, do have an enemy living and prospering within Pakistan -- Al Qaida/ETIM!

We too have an enemy within Pakistan -- TSPA.

If our enemy crumbles, then Pakistan, or at least its Pushtun and lawless regions become a platform from where only the enemies of the three and a half friends will mostly be active. It almost makes me like them.

See what I mean, Sridhar. More pipe dreams of Pak imploding from within, and benefiting us somehow. This, as opposed, to us taking proactive steps to empower ourselves and get in a position to deal with the best case scenario for Pak, not the worst case.

As long as we day dream and only rely on actions of others (positive or negative), to bail us out, rather than our own proactive and positive actions.......we will remain at best a 2nd rate power and a 2nd rate country......and a 2nd rate power will not be able to tackle Pak, even when Pak is at its weakest..........because when you deal with Pak, you have to remember, you are not only dealing with Pak, but the entire Islamic world with its wealth and clout.....

raji · Post by **raji** » 30 May 2009 20:16

SSridhar wrote:raji, when I say 'India has to clean up Pakistan', I mean that nobody else is going to do that on our behalf. It is not in their interest. Their relationships go a long way back and are complex and intertwined. They are not affected by Pakistan in the same way as us. Pakistan gives these three-and-a-half friends a lot of advantage and why should they forego all that ? India is thus left to handle the muck all by itself. In fact, India is seen as a punching bag by these players so that Pakistan can rightfully vent its steam. We have been obliging them by thinking about all possible and impossible things that will lock us up in fear always and prevent us from retaliating, fears such as economic sanctions, use of nukes, loss of moral highground yada yada . .

I understand and agree completely.

What do you think of my assertion that we are becoming weaker by the day vis-a-vis Pak ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 May 2009 20:21

RajeshA wrote:Me thinks that the 3 and half friends of Pakistan, do have an enemy living and prospering within Pakistan -- Al Qaida/ETIM!

We too have an enemy within Pakistan -- TSPA.

That's the point. The three-and-a-half-friends do not have the TSPA as their enemy. Al Qaeda, yes; ETIM, yes; IMU, yes; inconvenient Arabs who want to rid the Holy Saudi land of the corrupt Al Saud family, yes; etc. That's the distinction TSPA is making these days so that the Afghan Taliban as well as obliging Pakistani Taliban can be preserved for use against India sooner than later. We see TSPA as the mortal enemy while the others see TSPA as the lynchpin in their fight against Al Qaeda though mildly wayward and yet correctable and amenable.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 May 2009 20:28

raji wrote:What do you think of my assertion that we are becoming weaker by the day vis-a-vis Pak ?

I have posted this before and I will re-post

The conflict between India and Pakistan, which by circa 2008, is over sixty years in existence baffles many people. Both nations have been involved in at least four wars and several Low Intensity Conflicts (LICs) with India also suffering a massive number of clearly cross-border terrorist attacks emanating from Pakistan. With no immediate end in sight of the hostilities, in spite of various attempts at conflict resolution, a question that pops up often is, “Why has this conflict become so enduring ?”

Under normal circumstances, the preponderant state, in this case India, should have been able to set the course for the conflict and probably should have brought it to a quick conclusion. Usually, the conflict prolongs, interminably in some cases, only when the two opposing states are equally poised. In the India-Pakistan situation, India was (and remains) far superior to Pakistan in almost every factor that can be set to define the strength of the nation, namely, demographic (National and Urban Population), production of Iron and Steel, military strength and expenditure, and energy consumption. These six variables define the Composite Index of National Capability (CINC). The overall CIN Capability has been consistently at a 4:1 ratio in favour of India at a minimum and even reaching a 7:1 ratio at times and yet India was unable to translate such a superiority into a tangible resolution of its conflict. The status quo power, India, has generally tended to leave the revisionist power Pakistan to set the agenda for the conflict and has been merely reactive, thus defying the generally accepted principles of conflict resolution.

raji · Post by **raji** » 30 May 2009 20:34

SSridhar wrote:
raji wrote:What do you think of my assertion that we are becoming weaker by the day vis-a-vis Pak ?
I have posted this before and I will re-post

The status quo power, India, has generally tended to leave the revisionist power Pakistan to set the agenda for the conflict and has been merely reactive, thus defying the generally accepted principles of conflict resolution.

Agreed.

But why ? Why has India tended to leave the revisionist power to set the agenda and has merely been reactive.......and mostly not even been reactive but taking it on the chin ? Why ?

Why, Sridhar, do Indians manage to pull off such a nature defying feat ? More importantly.......the present......why do we continue to allow Pak to set the agenda of conflict at the present time and dont intend to change this posture in the forseeable future ?

Why ??

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 30 May 2009 20:35

raji wrote: What do you think of my assertion that we are becoming weaker by the day vis-a-vis Pak ?

India is moving forward, Pakistan backward. The difference between the two countries will only keep increasing in India's favor, factor in the size of India, the difference becomes impossible for Pakistan to bridge foreign aid not withstanding.

As long as Pakistan will remain an islamist country there is no hope for Pakistan, Pakistan problem is "pure Islam", it needs significant dilution before Pakistan can go anywhere.

Tilak · Post by **Tilak** » 30 May 2009 20:39

SSridhar wrote:Without nukes, Pakistan could not have survived 26/11, 2001 Indian Parliament Attack and 26/11 Mumbai Attack: Samar Mubarakmand

This is another nuclear blackmail after the Najam Sethi edit posted above. The Pakis are accepting that nukes give them the strength to indulge in terrorism. They are so confident that India would not retaliate that they have given up covering their tracks nowadays.

Video :

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shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 30 May 2009 21:32

bcoz:
#1. real issue is not tsp vs india as nations. real issue has roots in religion - thats the 800 pound gorilla. for us, this is not about the theology of islam but about its impulse to dominate political sphere and its refusal to talk in terms of contemporary ideas. solving that problem is beyond india or any other nation's capability and is really a fool's errand.

#2. so in the meanwhile, in real tangible terms, neither a stable pakistan nor a destroyed pakistan is a stable state for the greater india region as a whole. what we have now is a stable state from india's perspective. india should not allow tsp to collapse, because if it collapses, it will collapse on india. at the same time, allowing them to establish coherence will create problems for india internally. as forumers here have discussed, if tsp were half as smart they would have taken on india socially and culturally. that would have created all sorts for problems for india. but fortunately for us, they are a "kabila" and will only think in military terms. that gives us space to shore up our game. point being nukes didn't save pakistan after 26/11, PA etc., india did. and you will see that any region where the islam-non-islam dynamic reaches 1947-india's stage, the results will always be the same. i think in our lifetimes, europe is going to relive what our fathers did.

i am sure tsp also recognizes that india is not interested in de-stabilizing pakistan, and will constantly try to leverage this fact. india will have to act from time to time to seed doubts regarding this, but beyond this, ultimately it is true that gobbling up tsp is not in india's interest, atleast right now.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 May 2009 21:37

SSridhar wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Me thinks that the 3 and half friends of Pakistan, do have an enemy living and prospering within Pakistan -- Al Qaida/ETIM!

We too have an enemy within Pakistan -- TSPA.
That's the point. The three-and-a-half-friends do not have the TSPA as their enemy. Al Qaeda, yes; ETIM, yes; IMU, yes; inconvenient Arabs who want to rid the Holy Saudi land of the corrupt Al Saud family, yes; etc. That's the distinction TSPA is making these days so that the Afghan Taliban as well as obliging Pakistani Taliban can be preserved for use against India sooner than later. We see TSPA as the mortal enemy while the others see TSPA as the lynchpin in their fight against Al Qaeda though mildly wayward and yet correctable and amenable.

SSridhar ji,

The corollary then says, that as of now

India's enemies have the nuclear weapons, while the enemies of the 3½ Friends of Pakistan do not. The question then becomes
- either the 3½ Friends of Pakistan do everything to denuke Pakistan to prevent the enemies of 3½ Friends of Pakistan to also attain nuclear weapons, thereby also taking away the nukes from India's enemies, possibly leading to the collapse of Pakistan itself through India;
- or allowing Pakistan to retain the nukes and possibly sharing the same level of danger as India emanating from Pakistan.

Whichever way one sees it, the nuclear danger from actors in Pakistan for India as well as for 3½ Friends of Pakistan would become equal. That is the reason, I, at least, am in favor of radicals and Taliban to make more progress in Pakistan. It equalizes the danger to India and to the other powers, hopefully forcing their hand to choose the first option and denuke the whole place. It is a high stakes game, but instability in Pakistan strengthens India's hands viz-a-viz the other powers. I am of the opinion that the instability there does not increase the level of danger for India emanating from Pakistan, as our enemies in Pakistan already have the nukes and are blackmailing us daily using terrorism.

So in the medium term, Al Qaida, Taliban, ETIM, etc. are all good for India. TSPA, ISI, LeT, JeM, HuJI are all bad for India. America's and Obama's War on Terrorism is not India's war, and we should do nothing to help them.

I would support India increasing its troop strength on the border, drawing Pakistani troops to their eastern border as well. This allows the Al Qaida and Taliban to gain in strength in NWFP, Pakjab and Karachi. Something that increases the dangers to the 3½ Friends of Pakistan. In the end, TSPA should become simply a force for fighting Al Qaida and the Taliban, and not for threatening India with nukes. TSPA can't do both at the same time. The risk that it loses or collapses will force its denuking by its Godfathers. To increase that risk, India should change its horses in the Pakistani race.

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 30 May 2009 21:49

RajeshA wrote:I would support India increasing its troop strength on the border, drawing Pakistani troops to their eastern border as well. This allows the Al Qaida and Taliban to gain in strength in NWFP, Pakjab and Karachi. Something that increases the dangers to the 3½ Friends of Pakistan. In the end, TSPA should become simply a force for fighting Al Qaida and the Taliban, and not for threatening India with nukes. TSPA can't do both at the same time. The risk that it loses or collapses will force its denuking by its Godfathers. To increase that risk, India should change its horses in the Pakistani race.

You are assuming, however, that the Taliban are more greedy than religious, which might be a bad assumption to make. The largest gamble India is making now is whether or not to draw troops towards the Pakistani border or remove them. Are the Taliban willing to forego the larger jihad against kafir lands (India) for petty territorial gains?

Is Pakistan the Achilles and Agaememnon of the modern age? You can't be sure you won't unite the Pakistani Army with the Taliban. Considering how paranoid the Pakistanis are right now, I would say there's a 70% chance that you would pull them together rather than escalate the fight.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 30 May 2009 21:50

Pakistan, when strong (1965) wanted to bring India down. If Pakistan becomes strong again, it would still want to bring India down.

Now that Pakistan is going down, it will probably try to take India down with it. If possible. The method is clear - a nuclear attack on India

Under the circumstances Pakistan in its avatar as a (semi) functioning state has only one function - to take India down. The US wants to preserve that (semi) functioning Pakistani state because the US is worried about what will happen to the nukes.

So it is clear that India and the US are at loggerheads here. We (India) gain nothing from the survival of the Pakistani state. The US is hinging its bets on such survival.

Can we kick the crap out of the US?

No.

We have to assist and ensure the failure of Pakistan as a state even if it means that the nukes are going to fall into other hands. There is no other option for us.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 30 May 2009 21:58

but why will pakistan nuke india? tsp is all about leverage of potential. if it nukes india, the cat is out of the box. then there is no leverage. the tsp emperor himself is not going to declare that he is naked.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 May 2009 22:10

TSP has strong backers. So its not in Indian interests to be belligerent at this time till they remain strong. India has to wait till the 3 1/2 friends take over the Indian enemy. And then deliver the coup de grace. premature delivery will be self goal and give opportunity for the others to intervene.

BTW, This is not my perception but of SB Chavan in the Lok Sabha in 1993.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 30 May 2009 22:15

OMG I cant believe this bull $hit!

Take our hand of friendship, India tells Pakistan

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 30 May 2009 22:24

Dilbu wrote:OMG I cant believe this bull $hit!
Take our hand of friendship, India tells Pakistan

It's just talk. It doesn't matter. Plus, I'm sure if you saw the discussion of this article on PakDef, it'll be all conspiracy about how India appears friendly but wants to take over or something.

It's a good move, I think. If it can influence even a couple people in power to believe that India doesn't have evil designs on Pakistan, it can only get better. But like I said, it probably doesn't matter because its just idle chatter.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 30 May 2009 22:27

Pakistan secures key Swat Valley city

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- The Pakistani military says security forces have taken back the city of Mingora from the Taliban, calling it a significant victory in its offensive against the Taliban.
Pakistani solders escort a suspected Taliban militant inside an army base in Mingora.

Mingora is the largest city in Pakistan's Swat Valley where security forces have been fighting the Taliban in a month-long offensive.

"It is a great accomplishment," said Pakistani Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas. "This is the largest city in Swat and for all practical purposes, Mingora has been secured."

Abbas said militants put up a stiff resistance, but their resistance weakened as troops moved in. Abbas told CNN pockets of militants remain just outside Mingora.

I thought Mingora was 'secured' one month ago. Oh I get it.. this time it was secured once again for the benefit of alms giving unkils and aunties. Great accomplishment ofcourse.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 May 2009 22:28

Keshav wrote:
RajeshA wrote:I would support India increasing its troop strength on the border, drawing Pakistani troops to their eastern border as well. This allows the Al Qaida and Taliban to gain in strength in NWFP, Pakjab and Karachi. Something that increases the dangers to the 3½ Friends of Pakistan. In the end, TSPA should become simply a force for fighting Al Qaida and the Taliban, and not for threatening India with nukes. TSPA can't do both at the same time. The risk that it loses or collapses will force its denuking by its Godfathers. To increase that risk, India should change its horses in the Pakistani race.
You are assuming, however, that the Taliban are more greedy than religious, which might be a bad assumption to make. The largest gamble India is making now is whether or not to draw troops towards the Pakistani border or remove them. Are the Taliban willing to forego the larger jihad against kafir lands (India) for petty territorial gains?

Is Pakistan the Achilles and Agaememnon of the modern age? You can't be sure you won't unite the Pakistani Army with the Taliban. Considering how paranoid the Pakistanis are right now, I would say there's a 70% chance that you would pull them together rather than escalate the fight.

Fact is
a) America will not allow TSPA to get too comfortable with a Taliban which makes territorial gains within Pakistan. TSPA needs to balance its relations with Taliban and baksheesh.
b) TSPA support of Afghan Taliban is itself under close scrutiny.
c) TSPA friends in the media has often said that they go by Indian capability and not by Indian intent. India only needs to keep the anti-Pakistan rhetoric down and troops level high to prevent a potential unification of forces in Pakistan, TSPA and Taliban.
d) The less Pakistani forces are available to fight the Taliban, the more are the chances that the Taliban will be able to get more victories, thereby having a very devastating effect on the morale of TSPA.
e) Taliban have tasted blood, influence and power in Pakistan. There is no going back. Even the Afghan theater would take a back seat, as the fruits in Peshawar, Quetta, Lahore, Pindi, Karachi are far juicier and sweeter than anything they can get in Kabul. The fact that Pakistani security forces are vulnerable, makes the drive of Taliban, which today act more as an arm of Al Qaida, then of TSPA, all the more determined.
f) Religiosity and Greed for Territory and Influence are hardly conflictual. In fact they go hand in hand.

The Taliban and the Pushtun are quickly sliding out of TSPA influence and into the guidance of Al Qaida. This is good because a whole people are changing their loyalties from India's enemies (TSPA) to the enemies of the 3½ Friends of Pakistan (Al Qaida/ ETIM).

In order to increase the chances of a defeat of India's enemies at the hands of the enemies of the 3½ Friends of Pakistan, India should increase the troop levels on our border and LoC, calling it a precautionary measure. It is important that TSPA fights the Taliban with only a part of its full strength, and gets a bloody nose in the process. The current operations in Swat would make it extremely difficult for TSPA to go back to square one, a cosy relationship with Taliban, etc.

We have to change our thinking as the tectonic plates have shifted in our west. Of course we can still have the Americans for friendly chai-biscuit, but our strategies are now fully contradictory right now, and they would remain so, until America takes the final decision of denuking Pakistan completely.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 May 2009 22:49

ramana wrote:TSP has strong backers. So its not in Indian interests to be belligerent at this time till they remain strong. India has to wait till the 3 1/2 friends take over the Indian enemy. And then deliver the coup de grace. premature delivery will be self goal and give opportunity for the others to intervene.

BTW, This is not my perception but of SB Chavan in the Lok Sabha in 1993.

Ramana ji,
I agree. Belligerence is not the way.

But it is important to acknowledge which actors with which actions in Pakistan are furthering India's strategic interests and and looking for 'innocent ways' like increase in troop levels on the borders, increase of pressure on Pakistan to do more against the 26/11 terrorists and others, non-interest in restarting peace process, Afghanistan diplomacy, etc. through which one could influence the happenings in Pakistan in favor of actors weakening our enemies in TSPA.

I suppose in due time, I shall understand what you mean by
- 3½ Friends of Pakistan taking over Indian enemy (I presume you mean TSPA). In what form this would manifest itself?
- coup-de-grace by India. In what form this would manifest itself?

AmitR · Post by **AmitR** » 30 May 2009 23:03

Iran calls in Pakistan envoy over mosque bomb

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 31 May 2009 00:08

Every Paki that I have come across (I mean not the little taxi driver or the fruit seller or the ones running the 99 cent stores) but the Rape class....have ego the size of a mountain and they all think they all have balls the size of Jupiter. One Brigadier's son who is a Wall Streeter think he is Allah's gift to Paki women even though his wife keeps calling me for secret interludes. This class paints the sophisticated picture of the Rapes for the westerner and let them think that these are the moderates. The Rapes hate India because they could not compete with Indians.

The illiterate in the streets hate India because India in his eyes is Kaffir.

The former would want to drag India down if he goes down due to jealousy and the latter would drag India with him due to his religion. India is in a unique position. That is ....India is in danger no matter who is in charge. This is a zero sum game. Absolute zero sum game for India. It is either Pakistan or India and the sooner India elites (the mirror image of the Rape class) come to realize that the better.

The long term survival and prosperity of India can only come from the destruction of Pakistan.

I am beginning to think that breaking Pakistan into many different states would not help. In each of these states there would be India hating elites who will be in power. Don't be seduced by the supposedly India leaning Sindhi elites. Benazir was one such Sindhi and she held equal hatred for India just like the Pakjabi elite even if the Sindhis have been blackballed by the Pakjabi for quite a while now. Remember that the daily kidnapping of Hindu teenage girls happens mostly in Sindh. You never heard of that in Baluchistan or even Swat or Bajour. Even the Bunnies are threatening the non-Muslim minorities only recently. Thats not the case in Sindh. Its been going on for very long time. These Sindhis....cant trust them.
Avram

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 31 May 2009 00:18

One Brigadier's son who is a Wall Streeter think he is Allah's gift to Paki women even though his wife keeps calling me for secret interludes.

Hey you have a duty to sow good Yehudi/Indian/Tamil seed to improve the crop

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 May 2009 00:19

Harbans Sir,
I have been saying for the last few years , 2 Hajar nukes pointed at them will deliever your kind of best wishes and regards better than any diplomatic exchange of views. We dont need to say but built and show the capability to do so.
Rajesh is right , in Palishstan, Pakjabis has hurt Pashtun honor and India should do her best to help them evenge by giving them the incentive and capability to destroy Pakjab and Pakjabiarmy. We must boil the Pakjabi eggs and then make bhurji by crushing them . in the meantime keep talking about pyar, mohabbat they pretend to appreciate .

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 31 May 2009 00:38

asprinzl wrote:These Sindhis....cant trust them.
Avram

Amongst all "Indian" converts (either by force, seduction, or for money) the Sindhis were first in line. A fact often pointed out to me by Hindu Sindhis themselves.

As far as your description of Botox Bebe, you are on the money. I remember watching a video once (youtube?) where she was screaming herself hoarse with "qurbani", "jehad" and "Kashmir" in front of an excited crowd. That was a scary sight. Its the same woman the west thought was a beacon of hope, democracy, liberalism and sanity. Many Indians too were (and still are) taken by that charade.

As far as the RAPE class here in NYC (Bankers, engineers, and others), the more they attend Hindu festivals with their Indian friends to show their "liberal-secular" side, the more I distrust them.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 May 2009 01:01

sanjaykumar wrote:One Brigadier's son who is a Wall Streeter think he is Allah's gift to Paki women even though his wife keeps calling me for secret interludes.

Hey you have a duty to sow good Yehudi/Indian/Tamil seed to improve the crop

Soil must be receptive , you cannot grow mangoes in Antartica even though digging is possible.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 31 May 2009 02:35

Prem wrote: Soil must be receptive , you cannot grow mangoes in Antartica even though digging is possible.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 31 May 2009 02:47

American expert urges Pakistan to sign CTBT
Much

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 May 2009 02:59

Gerard wrote:American expert urges Pakistan to sign CTBT
Much

‘In the meantime US should stay away from idle talk by politicians and pundits about ‘securing’ Pakistan’s weapons by force’, wrote Riedel, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based think-tank.

So some are talking about what needs to be done. Question is how does one strengthen that constituency. In the mean time Bruce Riedel can write children's bedtime stories. Why does he sound frustrated?!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 May 2009 03:05

Pak develops second-strike N-capability

''Pakistan has reportedly addressed issues of survivability through second strike capability, possible hard and deeply buried storage and launch facilities, road-mobile missiles, air defenses around strategic sites, and concealment measures,'' the Congressional Research Service (CRS) said in a May 15 report to US lawmakers.

Who are the ones that they are sending a message? Why now? Is this linked to some kind of planned attack on NK? Are the sources scared that India may attack TSP if attack on NK occurs and hence spreading such news.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 May 2009 03:11

Pakis continue to live in a dream.

Their country is burning to ashes and these guys are still dreaming of being an India!!!! Operating Systems included.

Bruce Riedel, probably, has some pulse on this matter, but if he too is including India in this equation then it is to the advantage of Pakistan to let Pakistan slide even further - which of course, needs no effort - it is headed that a way anyways.

ImVVVHO, Bruce Riedel is only admitting the failure of Obama's current Af-Pak policies. Perhaps it will help him and even Obama IF they could (does not seem they have enough sense to do so) drop the "Af" from Af-Pak.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 31 May 2009 03:18

Muppalla wrote:Pak develops second-strike N-capability
''Pakistan has reportedly addressed issues of survivability through second strike capability, possible hard and deeply buried storage and launch facilities, road-mobile missiles, air defenses around strategic sites, and concealment measures,'' the Congressional Research Service (CRS) said in a May 15 report to US lawmakers.
Who are the ones that they are sending a message? Why now? Is this linked to some kind of planned attack on NK? Are the sources scared that India may attack TSP if attack on NK occurs and hence spreading such news.

IAF chief's saying about capping of Pak nukes.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 May 2009 03:19

Muppalla wrote:Pak develops second-strike N-capability
''Pakistan has reportedly addressed issues of survivability through second strike capability, possible hard and deeply buried storage and launch facilities, road-mobile missiles, air defenses around strategic sites, and concealment measures,'' the Congressional Research Service (CRS) said in a May 15 report to US lawmakers.
Who are the ones that they are sending a message? Why now? Is this linked to some kind of planned attack on NK? Are the sources scared that India may attack TSP if attack on NK occurs and hence spreading such news.

What is new in terms of technologies? Nothing that India is not aware of I would imagine. After all Pakistanis should get most of their ideas from China and India should be prepared for that.

If at all my guess is that the US is more fearful of Pakistanis selling nuclear technologies to other Muslim "countries" and are trying to figure out how best to save their behind. Specially Britain must be truly scared.

IAF chief's saying about capping of Pak nukes

Army chief.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 31 May 2009 03:21

NRao wrote:
IAF chief's saying about capping of Pak nukes
Army chief.

my mistake

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 31 May 2009 03:22

Pakistani student deported without sound reasons

Isn't being a paki a good enough reason? But the pookis have a different reason to believe:

Sources who have been following the case closely speculated that perhaps the UK authorities piqued by Pakistan’s refusal to sign an MoU allowing Britain to deport any Pakistani without assigning any reason with Islamabad undertaking not to arrest and torture the deportee.

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 May 2009 03:35

JuD has links with al-Qaeda, says Pak govt

For the first time, Pakistan government today admitted that the Jamaat-ud-Dawah, blamed for the 26/11 attacks, has "prima facie" links with al-Qaeda, as it justified the detention of JuD chief Hafiz Saeed and another top leader after the terror strikes on Mumbai.

Submitting his arguments on Saeed -- also the founder of Lashkar-e-Toiba -- and Col (retd) Nazir Ahmed's petition against their detention, Attorney General Latif Khosa told the Lahore High Court that the government had received "evidence" that showed the JuD "prima facie has links with al-Qaeda." Khosa said the government had "classified information" that would justify the detention of the JuD leaders.

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 May 2009 03:37

Gilani expresses

concern over increase of US forces

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 May 2009 03:41

Stolen US arms being used in Swat: ISPR

Answering a question about the assertions over the security of strategic assets of Pakistan, he said the United States should stop worrying about the nukes and start thinking about the weapons lost in Afghanistan.

Look at the paki audacity.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 May 2009 04:13

my mistake

Not an issue. (The clarification is needed ONLY because CAS is on his way out. The one who made the statement will remain in office for some more time to come.)

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Is the US starting to get as desperate, with Pakistan, as it is with NK?

BTW, IF the US attempts to equate India with Pakistan again, Indians (NOT GoI) should insist on a pure democratic process in Pakistan with an out for conversion. Else the problem will remain.