Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby CRamS » 08 Jun 2009 20:35

anupmisra wrote:Watch the new Sherry. She is Farahnaz Ispahani, wife of pooki ambassador Haqqani. Here they are on Charlie Rose. BTW she studied at Wellesley, a liberal arts (thus very expensive) seven sisters college in Boston. She is duspercenti's spokesperson (I guess Sherry was not available). Man, does she love to talk. And with that Rapette accent.

Farahnaz Ispahani


Thanks for this interview. This kind of RAPE dog & pony show is what puts India on a back foot. Look at the polish the slime balls exhude. And then put yourself in a westerner's shoes, most of whom view 'South Asia' through a colonial lens. The thinking will be, see how westernized these 'South Asians' elies are but for 'extremists' on both (I remeber once Asia society chairman in the aftermath of TSP attack on parliament declaring like a colonial master as to how articlute diploamts from 'both' countries are). Lost in this, is TSP's perfidy against India which is their single-minded focus, which of course the CIA types and the policy wonks know very well; but still put on that show of equal equal which serves western interests well, but what about India's? Moral of the story: No matter what TSP does, this kind if RAPE sophistry ensures equal equal, unless India on herself, can change the equation and bring the TSP b@stards to justice. Waiting for 'international pressure' on TSP will only result on more Mumbais, and condescending equal equal talk thereafter.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby ramana » 08 Jun 2009 20:50


Pakistan used anti-terrorism aid to build conventional force

Washington: Pakistan has used a substantial amount of military aid from the U.S. meant to fight terrorism to build up its army with modern weapons and equipment for a conventional warfare against India, Pentagon documents have revealed.

All this was done with the knowledge of the then Bush Administration, which not only provided $1.9 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) but also signed agreements with Pakistan for military sales worth nearly $5 billion during the period, showed the documents accessed by PTI.

The Pentagon documents also revealed that a major post-9/11 American defence supply to Pakistan under FMF had nothing to do with its fight against terrorism.

While the Taliban and Al-Qaeda gained ground in the tribal areas of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan, Islamabad bought eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment worth $474 million. It also placed orders for 5,250 TOW anti-armour missiles worth $186 million. 2,007 of these have already been delivered and the rest are in the process of being supplied.

Besides buying more than 5,600 military radio sets worth $163 million, Pakistan bought six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars worth $100 million and six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment worth $76 million. Under the Excess Defence Articles (EDA), it was granted 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters, which were then refurbished, according to the Pentagon documents. Pakistan also used a substantial chunk of America’s FMF to purchase up to 60 mid-life update kits for F-16 A/B combat aircraft valued at $891 million.

Islamabad also paid a whopping $1.43 billion to the U.S. to purchase 18 new F-16 combat aircraft and another $629 million for F-16 armaments. — PTI



So if after this massive re-armament program, why does the TSP still worry about the Indian threat from the Eastern borders? And after arming the TSP to its teeth and beyond why does the US govt wnat India to reduce troops in J&K and Western border? The TSP might do thier own dash to Yamuna with all those armaments with their nuclear umbrella!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 08 Jun 2009 20:57

Dipanker wrote:
NRao wrote:Zardari seems to have a binary mind. He equates democracy to safe nuclear assets. And a failed or a non-democratic state to an unsafe nuclear assets.



When Zardari talks about "democracy" he is basically asking Amirkhan and the West to voice support for himself as the el Presidente of Pukistan. He is using the nukes as leverage for bargaining and begging.


That IS the binary thinking.

IF US/India/Israel/etc decide to take out those nukes, then he has no option.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 08 Jun 2009 21:00

Islamabad also paid a whopping $1.43 billion to the U.S. to purchase 18 new F-16 combat aircraft and another $629 million for F-16 armaments


Lest we forget, there is a state called Texas, where these F-16s are built .................... and therefore each time they get an "order" for F-16s they "save" a few thousand jobs. This is the political aspect of the equation.

F-16s have gone out of favour in most air forces and therefore any order is welcome - even selling them to the devil is OK for the politicians from Texas.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby shiv » 08 Jun 2009 21:04

CRamS wrote:
Thanks for this interview. This kind of RAPE dog & pony show is what puts India on a back foot. Look at the polish the slime balls exhude. And then put yourself in a westerner's shoes, most of whom view 'South Asia' through a colonial lens.


Its the US that needs to come down, or be brought down before we make headway with Pakistan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 08 Jun 2009 21:09

The TSP might do thier own dash to Yamuna with all those armaments with their nuclear umbrella!


Pakistan's army needs to be cut to size (best option is split the country) and also the US THINKING needs to be cut to size. The US thinking, IMHO, is more urgent. It, like Pakistan, has collapsed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby p_saggu » 08 Jun 2009 21:11

NRao wrote:Lest we forget, there is a state called Texas, where these F-16s are built .................... and therefore each time they get an "order" for F-16s they "save" a few thousand jobs. This is the political aspect of the equation.

F-16s have gone out of favour in most air forces and therefore any order is welcome - even selling them to the devil is OK for the politicians from Texas.


...And, it is all halal in the process of maintaining leverage within the Pakistani power center a.k.a the Pak Armed Forces a.k.a The Pak Army

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby svinayak » 08 Jun 2009 21:40

http://satyabhashnam.blogspot.com/2009/ ... istan.html

Thursday, June 4, 2009
Pakistanis change Indian Border on Google Maps
Ever since Google came out with its Map Maker product which allows Google users to contribute by adding Roads, Regions, etc. on Google Maps, allot of trouble maker Pakistanis have been changing Bharatiya (misnomer: Indian) border and regions. Even meddling with Bharat's (misnomer: India) internal affairs like adding Masjid/Mosques at random places.

But this one is height of perversity. A Pakistani called Faraz Ahmad who goes by profile name "farazilu" on Google Map Maker made a User Submission of region called "Azad Jammu and Kashmir" on Jan 27, 2009. It can be seen and moderated here: http://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=55&ed ... Xp1UKiij7H.

As per his profile he lives in Glasgow, UK but grew up in Daska. In past he has lived in Lahore, Islamabad, Gujranwala and Sialkot. All these places are in Pakistan. Glasgow is the same place where a terrorist attack took place in UK.

Amazingly the entry is still in Pending since past 6 months when it was submitted and has not been rejected even though it has been Denied and Reported as Abuse by a few Bharatvaasi (misnomer: Indian Citizens). A possible reason could be that every time it was denied some Pakistani unethically moderated it to approve it.

Some of the Pakistanis have used really filthy language in the comments section about Hindus and Bharatvaasi. I am sure if due to utter laziness and careless attitude Hindus and Bharatvaasi don't moderate such vicious attempts of Islamic fundamentalist Pakistanis like Faraz Ahmad then Bharat will loose this war also which is now fought on the web also.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 08 Jun 2009 22:53

http://www.ft.com/cms/1644d08e-f450-11d ... omSearch=n

26/11 seems to have helped eco in Mumbai - FT.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby archan » 09 Jun 2009 02:44

Guys, this is a TSP thread and this is getting wayyy OT. So please, let us take this discussion to another thread. Any suggestions?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby p_saggu » 09 Jun 2009 03:12

I think GOI's strategy now is:
1. Develop India rapidly, economically, politically so that it emerges as a real challenger to China in overall dominance of Asia.
2. Keep Pakistan on slow boil for an indefinite period. I think that the US has also veered around to this view. There is going to be no endgame as many would like it, in pakistan. The current situation is the endgame.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby pgbhat » 09 Jun 2009 03:44

Awaiting changes to a syllabus of hate by Nirupama Subramanian
Nothing Rakshaks already don't know.
Even the draft new education policy is ready, based on a two-year-old White Paper. It too reflects a major shift from the 1998 policy, which laid down that education should enable the citizens to lead their lives as true practising Muslims according to the teachings of Islam as prescribed in the Quran and Sunnah. It also made the teaching of Nazra Quran a compulsory subject from Grades 1 to 8, and the learning of selected verses from the Quran thereafter, in clear violation of the Constitution that Islam will not be imposed on non-Muslims.

Another generation has been lost because the process has taken too long,” :(( he said. And until the new textbooks are introduced, millions of children will continue to learn in their Urdu lessons in schools about the differences between Hindus and Muslims in a hatred-generating way, about “India’s evil designs against Pakistan” in their Social Studies, and that Bangladesh was a result of a conspiracy by India with assistance from “Hindus living in East Pakistan.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby svinayak » 09 Jun 2009 03:53

How the people of Pakistan and Afganistan view the United States is, in the long run, far more important for American national security than whether or not the US kills Bin Ladin. Islamic terrorism against the west by will not end until thte vast majority of citizens of Pakistan & other muslim countries come to view the US as a friend who respects them and is interested in their welfare.
— Heaflaw

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem » 09 Jun 2009 05:11

Swat operation and the fallout beyond
Rahimullah Yusufzai

This is the kind of battle that is fuelled by new blood-feuds and is never-ending until one side is vanquished and forced to accept the terms of surrender. Heavily-armed villages and clans hostile to each other cannot co-exist in peace, more so if they are supported and supplied by the government or militant groups such as Taliban. In the past also, the government has backed similar anti-Taliban lashkars in Swat, Buner, Bajaur, Orakzai, Darra Adamkhel and other places. Such a policy has generally caused lot of bloodshed and sowed the seeds of turmoil. The Taliban have ruthlessly retaliated by sending suicide bombers to attack jirgas of tribal elders and clerics hostile to them in Darra Adamkhel, Bajaur and Orakzai or causing harm to anyone in sight and terrorizing entire villages as was the case in Shalbandai in Buner, Hayagai Sharqi in Upper Dir and Mandaldag in Swat where the late anti-Taliban commander Pir Samiullah had dared to raise a lashkar against them.
( seeds of civil war )
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=181976

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby putnanja » 09 Jun 2009 07:01

India looks to restart peace talks with Pakistan, but on own terms

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According to top-level government sources, the previous peace process worked "well" from 2004 to 2007, when Pakistan called a halt due to other "preoccupations". But by 2008, the LoC violations had started going up, then came the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul, and Mumbai a few months later.

Both attacks clearly originated from Pakistan with clear indication of some level of establishment involvement.

These attacks forever changed the way India views Pakistan. Even if India restarts some official engagement, the reality of these attacks have altered the bedrock on which India-Pakistan engagement was based. This is a reality Pakistan will have to come to terms with, even after India restarts talks with Pakistan.
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But India is clear, it will not stop its reconstruction work in Afghanistan, despite Pakistan's hypersensitivity to Indian consulates in Afghanistan or the army presence on the border. Pakistan, India believes, cannot use these as excuses to avoid taking definitive action against the Taliban, Al Qaeda or the LeT. Pakistan should believe it is in its interest to do so.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby anupmisra » 09 Jun 2009 08:18

Church to Khokha

Nathiagali's church

Tuesday, June 09, 2009
On my recent getaway to Nathiagali, I discovered, much to my disgust, that the only and most beautiful wooden church has been converted into a cold drinks' khokha. Upon inquiry from the chowkidar of the church, I was told that the Christian guardians of the church were no longer there so he thought why not open a tuck shop there! How convenient! I lodge a protest with the church authorities of the area as to look into this gross violation of the sanctity of a place of worship.

Isphanyar M Bhandara

Rawalpindi

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby archan » 09 Jun 2009 09:04

OK, this discussion it a tad too heavy for a paki thread. People who come here expecting news about IEDs, read Humayun Gohar Levinsky or Madam Shrill are confused at this sudden intellectual barrage of posts and are going back to the door to check if it read "MEN / MULLAHS". So if no one objects, I will create space for this discussion in the GD forum. Are we all okay with this?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Rupesh » 09 Jun 2009 11:12

Violence in Karachi continues unabated
The ongoing wave of violence claimed ten more lives in the metropolis on Monday.
About 38 political workers have been shot dead during the last seven days.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Rupesh » 09 Jun 2009 11:24

The hypocrisy of it all
when there was more doom and gloom abroad in the land than there is now, some TV stations began to attempt ‘feel-good’ shows in which analysts of every hue told us how good we had it in the Land of the Pure.

Of how it was the sixth largest country in the world population-wise, with the fifth largest army; of how Pakistan once ruled the world of squash and hockey and cricket! There was also a mention of Pakistanis who had won the country recognition. :lol:

Whilst this was sickening in the extreme because all of our ‘great achievements’ were enumerated in the past tense with nary a thought about how we were to come out of the, to use an aviation term, uncontrolled spin we were in; and while the ‘achievement’ of our population was more a matter of shame than anything else, the thing that infuriated me was the mention of Dr Abdus Salam as one of those Pakistanis who proved that this was a great country by winning the Nobel Prize for physics.

What hypocrisy! I mean, look how we treated Dr Salam just because he belonged to the Ahmadi community! Let alone the tribulations that Ahmadis face in this country on a daily basis, when Dr Salam stood for election as director general of Unesco, dictator Zia sent emissaries to the First World’s capitals with demarches not to vote for him because he was not Pakistan’s ‘official’ candidate. Where special envoys were not sent, Zia instructed our missions to pressure their host governments not to vote for Dr Salam. Instead, he put up Gen Yaqub Khan, who withdrew much before polling date because not one of the 50 countries on Unesco’s board was willing to vote for him. It was well known at the time that had the Pakistan government not actively worked against him, Dr Abdus Salam would have won the election hands down even as a private candidate. But no, we were going to have none of it!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby pgbhat » 09 Jun 2009 11:26


From the same article ...
In Vienna, Dr Salam told me that he had gone to every Muslim capital after his Nobel, begging them to set aside one per cent of their GNP for scientific education. None had agreed.’ (Just this shows us Muslims like nothing else will, why we stand where we do in science education, what!). :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Chinmayanand » 09 Jun 2009 13:58

Zardari with his begging bowl

The way this man talks, is an insult to pakistan. He is only concentrating on asking for aid. Aid to move troops to waziristan, aid for expected refugees from there, aid for refugees from swat, aid for economic development - while I agree that aid is necessary to be successful against the militants, all out begging only shows the country as one big begging bowl. Why doesnt he put at least a part of his wealth to the service of the country, for a start ?
:(( :(( :((

Begging is haram or halal ? :roll:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Dipanker » 09 Jun 2009 13:59

Yes, the Admins should move all the OT posts to another thread starting from Munna's post on page 35 which lead to derailment of this thread's focus.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby arun » 09 Jun 2009 14:19

The recent bout of bloodletting in Karachi seems to have transformed from the original Pukhtoon dominated Awami National Party versus the Mohajir dominated Mutahida Quami Movement (Altaf) into an all Mohajir affair :

Tuesday, June 09, 2009

Editorial: Now the Muttahida-Haqiqi war

The target-killing in the last seven days in Karachi reached another peak on Sunday when 13 people were killed, most of them belonging to two factions of the MQM. Earlier, on June 4, the toll was 11 MQM (Haqiqi), two MQM (Altaf), one PPP and one Jama’at-e Islami. This Sunday, MQM-H says seven of its members were killed; the rest were MQM-A members, barring one who was an ANP
worker. ………..................

A rebel spook, currently running a human rights outfit for the “disappeared persons”, had once revealed that Haqiqi was used by the intelligence agencies to weaken the street power of Altaf Hussain. It had obviously not worked. In fact it had made permanent a dangerous urban split that the agencies could not have wanted had they known in advance what their policies would bring
about. …………..................

Daily Times

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby faraz » 09 Jun 2009 15:21

JE Menon wrote:Am OK with a shift to another thread anywhere...

Let us return to bashing the Paks here :)


Moderators, can we dedicate this thread to rant-e-pukistan ? Rant-e-elite can be done somewhere else . Can we move the OT posts to somewhere else ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby shaardula » 09 Jun 2009 16:24

all this is not begging, that is a jaziya that the momeen are extracting from the kuffars. only, now the form and style has changed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Philip » 09 Jun 2009 16:53

Musharraf comes clean (if that's possible)...as if we didn't know!

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/internat ... itants-865


Musharraf: ISI has links with militantsJune 9th, 2009
By Our Correspondent London, June 8: The former Pakistan President, General Pervez Musharraf, has conceded that his country’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) maintains link with militant commanders like — Sirajuddin Haqqani, suspected of having masterminded the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul.

Mr Musharraf said that ISI had “used Haqqani’s influence” to get Pakistan’s ambassador to Afghanistan, who was kidnapped by Tehriek-e-Taliban chief, Baitullah Mehsud, released. Haqqani, “is the man who has influence over Baitullah Mehsud, a dangerous terrorist, the fiercest commander in South Waziristan and the murderer of Benzir Bhutto, as we know today,” Mr Musharraf told German news agency Der Spiegel in an interview. “Mehsud kidnapped our ambassador in Kabul and our intelligence used Haqqani’s influence to get him released. Now that does not mean that Haqqani is supported by us,” he said.

The intelligence service is using certain enemies against other enemies. And it is better to tackle them one by one than making them all enemies,” he said.

On US media reports that ISI had systematically supported Taliban, the former Pakistan president said, “Intelligence always has access to other network — that is what Americans did with KGB, that is what ISI also does.” Sirajuddin Haqqani is the son of renowned Mujaheedin commander Jalaluddin Haqqani, who is now one of the foremost commanders of Afghan Taliban. Haqqani brothers have been accused of masterminding the attack on Indian embassy in Kabul on July 7, 2008.


PS:By this yardtsick and confession from Gen.Bandicoot,it can be clearly deduced that in fact,the ISI assassinated Benazir through their pet proxy.As long as that insidious organisation is alive and kicking,peace on the Indian subcontinent will remain a dream.At best,like a diabetic sore,we can contain it (Paki terror) by being alert and if we take recourse to a pro-active counter-terror policy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby faraz » 09 Jun 2009 16:56

durgesh wrote:Zardari with his begging bowl

Begging is haram or halal ? :roll:


Depends on how you look at it ! If it is done outside a mosque or temple by a professional beggar, it is haram. If it is done by Mr. 10 %, it is 100 % hallal :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Neilz » 09 Jun 2009 17:13

http://news.rediff.com/column/2009/jun/ ... -farce.htm

Here is some terror candy.... Hafeez Saeed was released by GOP blaming "India didnt provide ANY evidence"

here is how he was released.

Pakistani government placed Professor Hafeez Mohammad Saeed, the Amir of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the political front of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba [Images], under house arrest in the wake of the Mumbai [Images] terrorist strike of November 26. The action was taken following the decision of the anti-terrorism sanctions committee of the United Nations Security Council to include the JuD and the LeT as associates of the Al Qaeda.

Saeed went to the Lahore [Images] high court to challenge his house arrest. The government lawyer told the court that the action of the UN Sanctions Committee obliged the government to act against him. When the court did not agree with that contention and asked the lawyer whether the government had any independent evidence of its own, the lawyer met the three judges privately and showed them, what he claimed, was independent evidence of the LeT's links with Al Qaeda. The judges wanted to see a copy of the government notification under which Al Qaeda was declared a terrorist organisation.

After some days, the lawyer went back to the court and told it sheepishly that the government had not yet declared Al Qaeda a terrorist organisation. The court told him that if that was so, the LeT's having links with the Al Qaeda is no offence under the law.

The court, which ordered the release of Saeed on June 2, released on June 6 the details of the grounds on which it ordered his release. One of the grounds says: "The security laws and anti-terrorism laws of Pakistan are silent on the Al Qaeda being a terrorist organisation."


The court added, "Even after the perusal of these documents we do not find any material declaring that the detention was necessary for the security of the petitioners and there was no evidence that the petitioners had any links with Al Qaeda or any terrorist movement."

Thus, eight years after 9/11, Pakistan is yet to declare Al Qaeda a terrorist organisation. Is this sheer, shocking negligence or is there something more sinister to it? Does one require any more evidence to show that Pakistan's so-called war against terrorism is a farce?


moral of the story

1. Al Qaeda != Terror org.
2. Any link with Al Qaeda = no offence.
3. so, LeT + Al Qaeda = No offence.
4. any member of LeT = No offence.
5. If at all any member of Al Qaeda found in terror activity = Individual action.
I wonder how come why this Lahori logic does not stand for Taliban. How come there good taliban and bad taliban.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby archan » 09 Jun 2009 18:10

All OT discussion has been moved to a new thread in the GD forum. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4938

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby arun » 09 Jun 2009 18:56

Gen. (Retd) Musharraf:

I can only tell you that India, for example, has 16 insurgencies going on and nobody is making a big thing out of it. But the West always focuses on Pakistan as the problem. :((


I am totally against the term AfPak. I do not support the word itself for two reasons: First, the strategy puts Pakistan on the same level as Afghanistan. :(( ……………. Second, and this is much more important, is that there is an Indian element in the whole game. We have the Kashmir struggle, without which extremist elements like Lashkar-e-Taiba would not exist. :roll:


There are many Indian extremists who have links with extremists in Pakistan. So if the world is serious about combating terrorism, then don't leave India out. :roll:


One of the realities is that the Indian intelligence service RAW is interfering in our country. For example in Balochistan, our largest province bordering Iran and Afghanistan. :((


Interview transcript is here:

SPIEGEL INTERVIEW WITH PERVEZ MUSHARRAF

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Bhima » 09 Jun 2009 19:33

From the above:

SPIEGEL: Over the last eight years, Pakistan has received about $10 billion in military aid from the US. Apparently you didn't spend all that money on the war on terror -- some went to secure your eastern border with India. Is that true?

Musharraf: Half of it, $5 billion, was reimbursed to us for services we had already rendered to the US. You have to understand how the Pakistan army operates: The divisions keep moving. If we buy new tanks for $250 million, then they will be deployed in Peshawar as part of the war on terror, but they will also go to the eastern border. But why do you care about that? Why, for heaven's sake, should I tell you how we spent the money?

Does he really not know?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby CRamS » 09 Jun 2009 20:05

Bhima wrote:From the above:

SPIEGEL: Over the last eight years, Pakistan has received about $10 billion in military aid from the US. Apparently you didn't spend all that money on the war on terror -- some went to secure your eastern border with India. Is that true?

Musharraf: Half of it, $5 billion, was reimbursed to us for services we had already rendered to the US. You have to understand how the Pakistan army operates: The divisions keep moving. If we buy new tanks for $250 million, then they will be deployed in Peshawar as part of the war on terror, but they will also go to the eastern border. But why do you care about that? Why, for heaven's sake, should I tell you how we spent the money?

Does he really not know?


And of course, since this is directed against SDREs, US doesn't mind one jot. Imagine the hue & cry in US media, and elsewhere should aid given to Palestinians be used against Israel. Or for that matter, even if there is a faint link between what India may have sold to Iran? Or better still can you imagine the Naziesque howls agianst India from the likes of Bill O'Rielly and other scum (who will be carefully coached by the state dept) should Indian arms somehow land up in the hands of the baaaad baaaaad, mighty, powerful, so called "Al Queda"? Of course, Indians themselves don't seem to care ab out all this crap directed against them; after all, they elected a PM whose mission is to make 'peace' with TSP; he just said so in the parliament. TSP threatens terror attacks, nuke blackmail, spits on India by releasing Hafeez, and India talks peace. USA arms TSP to the teeth, and India talks about India-US strategic relationship. Sorry to make you throw up.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 09 Jun 2009 20:19

Pakis an dperhaps even Clinton better be careful:

Zero tolerance to terror but ready to make peace with Pak: PM

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Keshav » 09 Jun 2009 20:40

This guy is insane.

SPIEGEL: Even today, you are one of George W. Bush's last friends. Al-Qaida leaders like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, and logistics director Abu Zubaydah, were arrested and then tortured on Pakistani soil. In retrospect, do you consider this to have been an error?

Musharraf: I would not like to comment. I would just like to say that I am completely against torture. People in the West have to understand that we were not fighting a war in Germany or the United Kingdom. Under very unusual circumstances we had to deal with people who were vicious. You should not get into details of how we were fighting, how we were handling the war.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby p_saggu » 09 Jun 2009 22:01

^^^
SPIEGEL: Terrorism, military coups, territoral conflicts -- since its independence 62 years ago, Pakistan has been in a state of perpetual crisis. But you did come close to solving at least one problem in secret negotiations with India: the conflict in Kashmir. What went wrong in the end?

Musharraf: We were close to an agreement with India. My proposal was the demilitarization of the disputed area, self-governance and a mutual overwatch. The key irritant was the line of control which the Indians wanted to make permanent. I said we should make it irrelevant by opening transit routes. And that is where the situation stands.{Oh My: we are holier than thou aren't we?}

SPIEGEL: A few weeks ago, you visited New Delhi and said India and Pakistan have done enough damage to each other and that it is time to find a solution. Do you view yourself as as a future ambassador for peace between the two countries?

Musharraf
: If the Pakistan government wants me and if the Indians also trust me, then I can be of some use. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Standard answer for every difficult question: 'Why should we tell you the answer to this? You should not be asking this question' {Indirect reference to the Daniel Pearl incident, where musharraf's reply to a question was that 'Daniel Pearl should not have poked his nose into things he was not supposed to' (or something to that effect) }

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Dipanker » 09 Jun 2009 22:13

Lately I haven't heard much about the fighting between Bad Taliban and the TSPA. Is the fighting over? Or the "bad" Talibans have become good?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby John Snow » 09 Jun 2009 22:13

NRao wrote:Pakis an dperhaps even Clinton better be careful:

Zero tolerance to terror but ready to make peace with Pak: PM


there are certain behind the scenes that are being acted out, you have to stich together these apparently disparate events to get some semblence of rationality to the actors script and pronouncements.

1) Zaradari and Karzai come to Dupleecity

2)Billary and Big O tell them time to get the act right and what is the incentive they need to do something to bad Taliban.

3) Karzai is told how his brother is the leader of Afghan drug cartel, Karzai tells Billary and Big O that with out his brother he cant buy the drug lords and war lords falling into ISI Taliban combo.

4) Zaradari is told to take on the bad Taliban and what does he need to do this? Zaradari as usual says 10% plus ( to preserve an image in TSP public that he is not a stooge of US) he tells big O and Billary, I have to buy the loyality of some terroist groups who have only focused on India not on US sucha as Sayeed, so I will release him and in turn you make India talk to US. Ask them to ease the pressure on TSP. Billary and Big O like it and it fits their agenda.

5) Gen Kiyanahi and his cohorts go after some Bad Taliban for the show.


6) GOI senses the things and makes a mild protest to TSP on the release of wanted guys in 26/11.

7) Billary is sending a high level Burns to reignite the fire on India asking for more concessions and talks.

8 ) GOI to preempt(?) or to look proactive starts issuing olive gestures at the slightest pressure, hence MMS thundering about peace. This is the piece by peice peace process on the ever obliging GOI.

Note

Good Taliban means Taliban strictly focussed on destroying India

Bad Taliban means the ones who dont listen to Uncle and want to attack coalition troops in Afghan and Paki areas.

So Good Taliban , Good for US

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby VickersB » 09 Jun 2009 22:44

Huge explosion in Pearl Intercontinental Peshawar! NYTIMES.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Anujan » 09 Jun 2009 22:47

Pearl Continental hotel in Peshawar needs a bulb replacement.
Huge blast at Pearl Continental hotel in Peshawar: police

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby CRamS » 09 Jun 2009 22:48

Guys:

Pardon the straight-talking naivety from me. What is all this crap, all this balderdash about some Chankyan move on Indian govt's part to pre-empt Billary by sending 'olive branches' to TSP? Is this another one of those cowardly moves masquerading as grand policy? I mean, tell me guys, but what am I am missing here; what prevents Indian govt both in public and in private to tell Billary that TSP has done nada, zero, zilch in bringing the Mumbai terror suspects to justice (let India's massive climbdown from demanding that the pigs be handed over to India), and unless that happens no chance of any talks? What prevents Indian govt to announce to Billary that arms to TSP must not be used against India? What prevents Indian govt from telling Billary that TSP has to take action against terror pigs on its eastern border with India just as USA expects TSP to take action against similar terror pigs on its western border? Why is Indian govt so coy to admit that India has as much interests in eliminating terror scum from TSP as much as US does? Why the pre-emtion garbage which as I said essentially hides India's fear and lack of will through some bogus strategic grand standing? What is India afraid of?


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