Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby chetak » 18 Jun 2009 23:18

Prem wrote:


Well , he should not be afraid should emulate his Jernails by attending the NAM wearing designer Shuttlecock burka.
The onlee thing he might losse is Colgate money for not showing his teeth.



Really!!

He has the smile of a slimy used car salesman

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby ramana » 18 Jun 2009 23:25

The Islamization project of Zia is to make the whole country a jihadi factory - education madarassied, courts shariahised, punishments - Koranic, creation of a clone army to carry the jihad into Dar-ul-Harab. Thats what Islamization means. The idea was to make Islam the identity of TSP.

Supporting the J&K terrorists was a jihad project to bring back it under Dar -ul-Islam. Strategic depth was to carry the fight into Central Asia while hiding form the long reach of Indian retaliation. The creation of Taliban to takeover post Soviet Union Afghanistan was another step. The creation of L-e-T and J-e-M and other three and four letter outfits is part of the irregular Army of Allah.

While all this is going on the Pashtuns in Pakistan decided to take a leaf out of this book and created the Pakiban as subrosa movement which is gaining strength. So its the Pashtun movement that will get its pasting and not the other Army of Allah types if TSPA is given a chance.

The key fracture is this Pashtun nationalism which has a chance for a next few years and could get subsumed under the paki Islamization drive if not allowed to gain. OTH, its the Pashutn mullahs who are giving them the aura of religiosus frevor to give them an edge over the whiskey swilling, dog loving TFTA Army types. When these two meet the Army types will get religious and join the others.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby rohitvats » 18 Jun 2009 23:29

As for the troop pullout thing, it has happened in the past also...summer of 2005 it was I think.....and believe you me when I say this, it was a real clever...typical chankian "relocation" of troops to nearby areas with very easy accessibility to the J&K theater....some battalions and formation HQ moved here and there.....because apart from RR fomations there are some Mountain divisions that are in CI mode which were inducted from outside....they'll again be playing the "Musical Chair" thing as Shivji wants India to do.... :D :twisted:

I would not worry that much till I see/hear something substantial happening/announced....
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem » 18 Jun 2009 23:30

Well, i agree as every thing in and about Pakistan is USED incl alleged Sovirginity which like Whoors automatically get restored after every GUBO session . Must be some kind of Kala Ilam cool blow used over Paki Musharraf from Mullah's lips which doesthis magic trick. This another proof of their superiority over Kuffar .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby svinayak » 18 Jun 2009 23:31

ramana wrote:The Islamization project of Zia is to make the whole country a jihadi factory - education madarassied, courts shariahised, punishments - Koranic, creation of a clone army to carry the jihad into Dar-ul-Harab. Thats what Islamization means. The idea was to make Islam the identity of TSP.

Supporting the J&K terrorists was a jihad project to bring back it under Dar -ul-Islam.
Strategic depth was to carry the fight into Central Asia while hiding form the long reach of Indian retaliation. The creation of Taliban to takeover post Soviet Union Afghanistan was another step. The creation of L-e-T and J-e-M and other three and four letter outfits is part of the irregular Army of Allah.

The prominence given in the western media to jihad and jihad freedom movement over the last 30 years is another way to remove the global modern movement for peace and stability in the world. AQ was made the enemy in 2001 but was allowed in various forms for more than 30 years

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem » 18 Jun 2009 23:35

Well , This current izlamic threat will be the last one and not going well .I dont think they have thought through the long far reaching consequences of defeat . This might end Islam as we know of and Pukistan will be the main cause of Its downfall.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby harbans » 18 Jun 2009 23:36

Few points:

1. It's not in India's wish list that Taliban proxy TSPA. The are one and the same thing. As far as India is concerned. And as far as that goes, it hardly matters that the entity targets XYZ along with India. All the US will do if it finds Taliban Pak targeting US is to deport every single Paki there. Less than .8% population. No problems for US, HR be goddamed if it has to do that. No big deal. No Talib controlled nuke is going to land up in US is it decides to monitor, deport, kick each and every Paki, Afghan out. Or it can like WW2 intern them like they did the Japanese citizenship.

Indias problems lie in not just finding a fellowpartner in suffering, but in it's inability to UNDERSTAND the threat. The threat is doctrinal. No amount of talks will do away with it, however fresh and naive each adminstration in US is. This is the truth. Our safety and security are in comprehending this truth. The more we shy away from it, he longer we delay mass understanding, that will lead to natural changes that will challenge TSPA/ Taliban or Islamic expansionism. The more we sweep core issues under he carpet, we get affected and afflicted.

2. India's dialogue thing will end up in the gutter for India. Already Paki's are smirking. Libs in the West are too. They've put all GWB's efforts down the drain. I think the biggest Foreign policy blunders have already been committed by Obama. Not GWB.

3. India should call over GWB and honor him. India should call Condaleeza Rice and honor the lady for so many sleepless nights spent in the conviction that India counts. But we don't have the damned leadership or intellectualism enough to understand what honoring good meaning people counts to the bottom line.

Sadly India a nation that was rooted in humility, gratitude failed to acknowledge it's greatest patrons and well wishers. We do need a lot of introspection. Pakistan is not succeeding clearly because of anything but Indian naivette. Amazing..but this is true.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby vishnua » 19 Jun 2009 00:28

Overall I think troops "pullout" for pullout sake is good idea. Mind you I am using pull out in a dramatic sense. The idea of pulling out 200 trrops and making it look like as if we are pulling out 20,000 troops with massive press coverage is what is needed.

That will be very good tactical move in the current situation and will not alter long term strategic goal.

This can be done if the Indian media in general can coperate with the admin just like US media were beating the war drums on IRAQ and now acting has a fifth column in the IRAN episode.

Indian admin along with the press has not mastered these kind of stunts.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby KLNMurthy » 19 Jun 2009 00:39

vishnua wrote:Overall I think troops "pullout" for pullout sake is good idea. Mind you I am using pull out in a dramatic sense. The idea of pulling out 200 trrops and making it look like as if we are pulling out 20,000 troops with massive press coverage is what is needed.

That will be very good tactical move in the current situation and will not alter long term strategic goal.

This can be done if the Indian media in general can coperate with the admin just like US media were beating the war drums on IRAQ and now acting has a fifth column in the IRAN episode.

Indian admin along with the press has not mastered these kind of stunts.

sorry but it is a terrible idea to give in to Pak's terrorist blackmail in any form. We are already doing it with the PM announcing a resumption of talks. The enemy will draw the only conclusion possible, i.e., terrorism against India works, and therefore will do more of it.

It is one of the huge mental mistakes that we Indians collectively make--we look only at the physical aspect, e.g., 200 troops only or whatever, and imagine, nothing lost if we only remove 200 troops with fanfare, and in fact it may be a very clever and subtle thing to do. But when we do that, we completely ignore the overall strategic and ideological equation and the part that projection of strength and inflexibility play in it.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Akshut » 19 Jun 2009 01:20

Pakistan appeals to US public for aid
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\05\23\story_23-5-2009_pg7_13

WASHINGTON: Pakistan on Friday appealed to the US public to make small donations through their cell phones to help care for some 1.7 million people displaced in the military operation launched against the Taliban. Ambassador Hussain Haqqani called on the US public to donate five dollars each by sending text messages and voiced hope that television networks would encourage the effort. US cellular users can make five-dollar donations by texting “Swat” to the number 20222.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby John Snow » 19 Jun 2009 01:38

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Go to Michael's Home Page

Chicago Geopolitics Examiner
Exposing Pakistan: terrorist incubator since 1947

http://www.examiner.com/x-4454-Chicago-Geopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d26-Exposing-Pakistan-terrorist-incubator-since-1947

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem Kumar » 19 Jun 2009 01:50

shiv wrote:
There is a trust/non-trust factor that I believe makes the forum biased.

For many of us:
1) the US is always represented by staunchly pro-US people who are insincere double crossers when it comes to India
2) Pakistan is always represented by staunchly pro-Pakistan people who are insincere double crossers when i comes to India
3) India is always represented by people who are ant-Indian losers who are about to double cross fellow Indians but are nevertheless sincere and honest about it when they promise things to Pakistan and the US.

When a large number of individuals agree independently on one of more of these points, and do not dispute the others, we have a "loose consensus" on BRF backed by self praise. The entire line of thinking on this forum revolves around thee 3 premises and if something does not fit - a conspiracy theory has to be invented to make it fit.


Shiv Sir,

Great post. Points 1 to 3 could be defined as a paranoid theory of Indian affairs. Speaking for myself, I lean towards points 1 & 3 above. But we got to ask ourselves how this sort of "groupthink" evolved. I use the word evolved because I dont think people in BRF came in with these preconceived notions. This sort of thinking crystallized only after repeated actions by the GOI and GOTUS that reinforced this belief. If we do a dispassionate analysis of the actions of our leaders, the # of data points that support point (3) would far surpass those against it.

How many of us honestly believe that our leaders (across the political spectrum) would put country before self?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby svinayak » 19 Jun 2009 01:51

More comparision will start

Michael Hughes - The Author says:
Gents- Thanks for the comments, this is exactly the type of discourse that is necessary. I enjoy hearing the perspective of Pakistanis and Muslims, as I admit I have been exposed to mostly a Westernized education.

I would be interested in learning more and talking specifics with many of you. If any of you would be so kind as to post more comments with emails and/or websites where I could comment or post upcoming articles (e.g. - Rupee News, factnews, etc.). Of course I would like to communicate and get clarification from the Indian side as well, from people like Mr. Amalick. My next article could be more about the difference between the two worldviews - two perspectives on history.

The upside might be that I could quote you, if you are comfortable, and even reference your sites for more information to direct readers to give them broader picture.

Let me know your thoughts.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby John Snow » 19 Jun 2009 01:56

Show me one instance of outwitting TSP by Indian politicians proactively? Bangladesh was as reaction to flooding of India by 10 million refugees, and we went from capital to capital begging for action against genocide.

The only thing in Indian Politicians who stand out are IG and PVN.

IG for getting Sikkim into Indian fold, but she bungled up in Simla Agreement. yes 90,000 prisoner well fed those days were indeed a burden.

PVN for his estute management of economy which was in doldrums and yet continue the strategic programs , while there was relentless pressure on Agni program, while unlce was denying the presence of M-9 and M-11 in Sargodha in crates reasy to go.

Always reactive no proactive shaping. I think RG would have done good but he was eliminated..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby ramana » 19 Jun 2009 01:57

They would after taking care of self.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem Kumar » 19 Jun 2009 02:06

Maybe true for some like PVN. For others, the "taking care of self" is a full time job and the thirst is never quenched. Karunanidhi is a good example.

Sad - how low have our expectations fallen :cry:

We are probably 30% Democracy & 70% Kakocracy

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Gerard » 19 Jun 2009 02:10

How India and Pakistan can resolve Kashmir now
The political atmosphere between the two is ripe for a summit deal.
By Mansoor Ijaz

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby RajeshA » 19 Jun 2009 02:16

Prem Kumar wrote:We are probably 30% Democracy & 70% Kakocracy

In German 'Kake' means $hit, Mierda, Mierde!!! but could be having similar roots as 'bad'!

Anyway, why do we end up whining on the TSP Thread! There are zillion other threads to whine in!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby RajeshA » 19 Jun 2009 02:19

Gerard wrote:How India and Pakistan can resolve Kashmir now
The political atmosphere between the two is ripe for a summit deal.
By Mansoor Ijaz
Kashmir should be left to Gen X! Old Timers are not going to do any justice to the issue!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby krithivas » 19 Jun 2009 02:21

Sri Sri Drone-acharya blesses Pakistan again. This is Uncle Sam's gentle message to the Piglets to not hijack the Dog-e-Pony Swat operation sending SMS messages begging for more $$.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiap ... ne.attack/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem Kumar » 19 Jun 2009 02:27

RajeshA wrote:Anyway, why do we end up whining on the TSP Thread! There are zillion other threads to whine in!


Point taken. My first whine post. Hopefully wouldnt happen often :wink:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Venkarl » 19 Jun 2009 02:36

RajeshA wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:.....70% Kakocracy

In German 'Kake' means $hit, Mierda, Mierde!!! .... 'bad'!


why go germany brother?....come to Andhra...kack is very familiar word for $hit...mostly among under 10 aged kids.. :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby ramana » 19 Jun 2009 02:47

If he spreads the wisdom around then its good na? Seeing him others might also join up!

Meanwhile per TOI

As per the MAC assessment, of the around 2,200 militants in the 42 camps spread across Pakistan, around 300 belong to Lashkar-e-Taiba, 240 to Jaish-e-Mohammed and 130 to Huji, while the rest are of "mixed'' origins.

The "active'' camps in PoK include those in Kotli, Garhi Dupatta, Nikial, Sensa, Gulpur, Forward Kahutta, Peer Chinasi, Jhandi Chauntra, Bhimbher, Barnala, Skardu, Abdullah Bin Masud, Tattapani, Samani and Shavai Nallah, among others.

{POK_ Sixteen (16)}

The North-West Frontier Province is another hotbed of jihadi activity, with the densely-forested hilly Manshera region, in particular, housing several madrasas, which also double up as training camps. These include Jangal Mangal, Andher Bela, Shinkiari and Jalo Gali, with other NWFP camps including Boi, Oghi and Attar Shisha.

{NWFP_ Seven (7)}

The other camps in Pakistan and Northern Areas include Muridke, Sialkot, Beesian, Garhi Habibullah and Jalogali. "Many of these camps are makeshift, which can be translocated very quickly to evade scrutiny. Moreover, the real leaders of the various tanzims are based in cities like Islamabad and Lahore,'' said another official.

{Rest of TSP_Five (5)}



Can we have a special thread that gives googlemaps coordinates of all these facilities? Thanks, ramana

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby ramana » 19 Jun 2009 02:52

vsudhir wrote:Sandeep Unnithan in India Today busting myths about Pakistan, India and the war on terror

Almost lifted off BRF word for word, feels like.



We should rewrite his top ten myths for they are also incomplete.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby John Snow » 19 Jun 2009 03:25

What for, and for whom?

If we are in the know and no action,
It is ike the Bhaja Govindam slokam


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 19 Jun 2009 04:38

RajeshA wrote:
Gerard wrote:How India and Pakistan can resolve Kashmir now
The political atmosphere between the two is ripe for a summit deal.
By Mansoor Ijaz
Kashmir should be left to Gen X! Old Timers are not going to do any justice to the issue!



:eek:

He made a mess of his own arguments.

For Pres Z to come clear the Pakistani Army has to cease to exist as it has all these years. That is the ONLY way Pakistan can right the boat.

Else the perpectual threat will always remain. For, they have used their power to role back.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Gerard » 19 Jun 2009 04:50

Christian killed for drinking tea from Muslim stall
When Ishtiaq went to pay for his tea, the owner noticed that he was wearing a necklace with a cross and grabbed him, calling for his employees to bring anything available to beat him for violating a sign posted on the stall warning non-Muslims to declare their religion before being served.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby pgbhat » 19 Jun 2009 06:14

L'attentat de Karachi de 2002 est une "affaire d'Etats", selon les victimes
IOW
The attack in Karachi in 2002 was a "state affair", according to the victims

From google translate I got this....... may be some rakshak may do a better job at translation.
The investigation into the attack in Karachi in 2002 against the employees of state arsenals DCN is moving towards a "state affair" and not to Al Qaeda, said Thursday June 18 counsel for September families of victims after seeing the judges terrorism.

"The track Al Qaeda is completely abandoned. The motive for the attack appears linked to a cessation of payments of commissions" of France in Pakistan in connection with the sale of Agosta submarines, "said Olivier Morice, to Following a meeting of anti-terrorist judges Trévidic Marc and Yves Jannier with families of victims to Cherbourg.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem » 19 Jun 2009 06:19

Ass Amir wailing doing Naukri and Nakhra together.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=183720
What's Pakistan being taken for?
(GUBO, Jo aave so raajee Jaave , all are welcome to come in)
shouldn't be punching above our weight. We tried doing that in Afghanistan and were hoisted on our own petard. Punching above one's international weight is a British specialty, a compensation for loss of glory and empire. But we shouldn't be under-punching either, as President Asif Ali Zardari manages to do every time he ventures abroad.

As if his previous misadventures in the verbal field were not enough we now have the spectacle of him being trumped by Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. In Yekaterinburg (Russia) the first thing Singh said to him (in remarks obviously rehearsed beforehand) was, "My mandate is to tell you that Pakistani territory should not be used for terrorism against India." Zardari could have countered with a suitable reply such as that his concern was to see that Indian consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar were not used as staging posts for subversion against Pakistan. But that would have required other gifts than he has.

(The picture of Zardari on the occasion leaves him looking like a chastened schoolboy in the presence of a senior professor.)

It is in our interest to seek good ties with India, just as it is in India's interest to have a better relationship with Pakistan. The drumbeats of jihad should be a thing of the past but this shouldn't mean keeling over in the other direction and giving the impression that we are supplicants for peace and dialogue. Peace with India, yes, but on a reciprocal basis and, preferably, without any more lectures on terrorism

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Gerard » 19 Jun 2009 07:04

Zardari opts out of another meeting with Manmohan Singh
In a sudden development, President Asif Ali Zardari has decided not to attend the NAM Summit in Egypt next month, apparently to avoid another meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh whose blunt public comments appear to have annoyed Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby arun » 19 Jun 2009 09:08

In country supposedly created as a safe haven for Muslims, Muslim Clerics need to seek Government protection for holding Islamic views contrary to the Islamic views of another group of Muslims :roll:

Is this in conformity with the IEDology of Pakistan :?: :

Friday, June 19, 2009

Mufti Munib demands govt security following Taliban threat

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: The head of an association of madrassas (seminaries), Mufti Munibur Rehman, has sought government protection after receiving death threats for denouncing the Taliban ……………….............

“I am a target and have received threats,” Rehman, the president of Tanzeemul Madaris Pakistan, said ……………..................

“The government’s statements that they have provided us with security are lies,” Rehman said, …………….......... “We ourselves don’t have the resources to hire private security.”

Daily Times

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby shiv » 19 Jun 2009 09:13

Prem Kumar wrote:
shiv wrote:
There is a trust/non-trust factor that I believe makes the forum biased.

For many of us:
1) the US is always represented by staunchly pro-US people who are insincere double crossers when it comes to India
2) Pakistan is always represented by staunchly pro-Pakistan people who are insincere double crossers when i comes to India
3) India is always represented by people who are ant-Indian losers who are about to double cross fellow Indians but are nevertheless sincere and honest about it when they promise things to Pakistan and the US.

When a large number of individuals agree independently on one of more of these points, and do not dispute the others, we have a "loose consensus" on BRF backed by self praise. The entire line of thinking on this forum revolves around thee 3 premises and if something does not fit - a conspiracy theory has to be invented to make it fit.

Points 1 to 3 could be defined as a paranoid theory of Indian affairs. Speaking for myself, I lean towards points 1 & 3 above. But we got to ask ourselves how this sort of "groupthink" evolved. I use the word evolved because I dont think people in BRF came in with these preconceived notions. This sort of thinking crystallized only after repeated actions by the GOI and GOTUS that reinforced this belief. If we do a dispassionate analysis of the actions of our leaders, the # of data points that support point (3) would far surpass those against it.

How many of us honestly believe that our leaders (across the political spectrum) would put country before self?


My reply here
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4938&p=687666#p687666

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby shiv » 19 Jun 2009 09:43

KV Rao wrote: in fact it may be a very clever and subtle thing to do. But when we do that, we completely ignore the overall strategic and ideological equation and the part that projection of strength and inflexibility play in it.



Strength and inflexibility on core issues are long term strategies, not to be confused with short term tactics.

If you go back to what India has faced (physically) from Pakistan you find three broad categories of actions

1) Conventional war - (1947, 1965, 1971) - border troop strength was vital for these
2) Infiltration/terrorism in Kashmir/Kargil - here again it was the border troop strength that has been important
3) terrorism in other parts of India: For this border troop strength has not made a whit of a difference.

Pakistan's actions have been aimed at
1) trying to take Kashmir
2) trying to create a communal rift between Hindus and Muslims so that Hindus start killing Muslims, proving that the Pakistan idea is correct and that more parts of India should break off and become Pakistans

None of these have had much effect on India's "core principles".

One big complaint after Parakram was that India takes too long to mobilise, while Pakistan has its troops just across the border.

Now what if (by some magic) Pakistan had its troops fighting a battle far away from the Indian border? If this happens Pakistan's much vaunted "advantage" of having ready to fight troops at the border would be diluted.

Reports in the last year or so have indicated that Pakistan has actually had to move out some troops from the border with India, but they still retain significant forces there. Now supposing Pakistan was somehow compelled to move troops far away from the India border leaving them "weak - so to speak, How would that impact on India?

1) It would be great if India decided to attack and take over parts of Pakistan.
2) If India decided "We are not going to attack Pakistan" what would be the advantage of keeping Indian troops at the border in a situation of overwhelming advantage facing Pakistan?

India has been giving subtle signals for the past 6 months that I believe we must note. The Air Chief says "Pakistan is not the problem, China is". There is a flurry of activity building infrastructure in Arunachal Pradesh. Top notch air assets are moved to the North East.

These actions could mean one of two things
a) An increased threat from China
b) A decreased threat from Pakistan

Every BRF member is welcome to have his own interpretation of this, but if I combine the statements of the Air Chief and the government (regarding troop pullout) I think that there may be a definite reduction of Pakistani army assets across the border with India, and it may be prudent to "encourage" them to move away even more assets by appropriate adjustments.

An "inflexible posture" where we maintain enough troops to attack Pakistan at the border even as Pakistan pulls away it own troops to fight a civil war is a good posture if we are actually going to attack. I am certain that we have no intention of attacking Pakistan at this stage. If that is true, what is the purpose of overwhelming Indian troop strength at the Pakistan border (assuming that Pakistanis are pulling troops away and will pull away more - all to be backed up by credible intel inputs).

I believe that Pakistan must be allowed to fight its civil war without giving any of the protagonists of that war an excuse to unite using "India" as a threat. They must kill and hate each other more, and be even more angry with India for being "cowardly" and not responding to their bait. They desperately need the India threat to unite and create the "spirit of 1965". Why hand it to them by a dogged appearance of belligerence especially if we have no intention of attacking?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby ramana » 19 Jun 2009 10:06

There are some interesting graphics made by paranoid TSPians about massa seeking to grab nukes and creating unrest for that reason.

Good to see them afraid of their shadows.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby p_saggu » 19 Jun 2009 10:19

^^^
Where?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby asprinzl » 19 Jun 2009 10:58

Asif Zardari as far as I can see is a liability to the PA. India needs more Asif Zardari type characters running the show in Pak-is-Satan. It is characters like him that would contribute to the internal rotting of and eventual destruction of that country. Going against him would not serve long term Indian interest. When we all know that A$$-Fcuk Kayani is the one that is the real power over there.....what is the point of dissing Zardari? MMS by dissing Zardari......was barking against the wrong tree.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby SSridhar » 19 Jun 2009 11:08

Selected Nuggets from TFT

Hilary Clinton as ‘ustani’

Columnist Irfan Siddiqi wrote in Jang that President Zardari had called journalists nabaaligh (pre-puberty) but the fact was that the rulers of Pakistan are all pupils of a school where adult education (taleem baalighan) was being imparted by Hillary Clinton acting as ustani (school teacher). This ustani wields the stick over them and tells them who is Pakistan’s enemy and who is not.

Against celebrating ‘days’

Daily Jang featured columnist Ataul Haq Qasimi saying that we were copying the West in celebrating various ‘days’ meant to increase sales in shops in the capitalist system. There is mothers’ day, fathers’ day, sisters’ day, etc, while for Muslims every day was the day of all these people. But Pakistan deserved only one day: Day of Honesty.

Columnist gives warning


Writing in Jang Hamid Mir stated that he had heard Swat refugees criticising Maulana Fazlur Rehman for not leaving the government and Mian Nawaz Sharif for becoming friendly with Americans. They also posed questions about the MQM and said things that the Baloch used to say in the past about Pakistan.

America funding Taliban!

Great strategist General (Retd) Hamid Gul told Nawa-e-Waqt that the Taliban who were beheading Pakistani citizens and using suicide-bombers to kill innocent Muslims were not Taliban but criminals who were taking money from America and India to inflict violence inside Pakistan.

Get your bomb ready

A columnist in Nawa-e-Waqt said the Quran had said that Muslims should keep their horses ready in case of war, but in today’s world horses mean atom bombs and Pakistan has an atom bomb meant for its enemy. And who is Pakistan’s enemy? India.

Don’t give trade route to India

Veteran columnist Irshad Haqqani wrote in Jang that he was grateful to God that Pakistani nuclear weapons were safe as assured by the Pakistan and that Pakistan was not about to give transit facility to India for its trade with Afghanistan as assured by the Foreign Office.

Sufi Muhammad grieves his son

Reported in Khabrain Sufi Muhammad of TNSM in Swat Malakand was said to be hiding but he was in deep mourning because of the death of his son at the hands of the Pakistan Army. The Sufi was also suffering from kidney infection. This was disclosed by his spokesman Izzat Khan.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby SSridhar » 19 Jun 2009 11:16

From TFT again, "Who is Baitullah Mehsud ?"


Who is Baitullah Mehsud?

Baitullah Mehsud was born in early 1970 in Landi Dhok, Bannu district of the Frontier Province. He hails from the Shabikhel sub-tribe of the Mehsud. He has four brothers. Baitullah is not formally educated in a school. He went to a madrassah in Akora Khattak for some years {Maulana Sandwich Sami ul Haq's Jamia Darul Uloom Haqqania}, the alma mater of all Taliban, and during this time often traveled to Afghanistan to assist the Taliban in their implementation of the shariah. When Nek Muhammad, the then leader of the Taliban was killed by an American missile strike in 2004, Baitullah stepped into his shoes.

Nek Muhammad made a crucial mistake when he began giving interviews to the Western press using a satellite telephone. Soon, his co-ordinates were picked up by US intelligence, and sources say in those naïve and innocent days when the Bush administration still believed that the Musharraf regime was serious about fighting the Taliban :eek: , they gave the khakis Nek Muhammad’s information in the hope that the military would do the needful themselves. Not only was Nek Muhammad not targeted, it seemed that he was tipped off and he went quite for months. He couldn’t however, resist the temptation of speaking out and did so with a famous British journalist. This time the Americans did not share their intelligence with the khakis. They simply took matters into their own hands and as a senior CIA official confessed, “we took Nek Muhammad out”.

In December 2007, Baitullah was declared the first leader of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan. Many terrorist attacks have been laid at his door, including the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. While every agency worth its salt believes this to be true, Baitullah has denied it because he knows how revolted Pakistanis were at Benazir’s brutal killing. Conversely, he has accepted responsibility for the most unlikely events simply to curry favour with his anti-American domestic audience. He has claimed responsibility for the shooting in Binghamton, New York on Friday, April 3, 2009. 13 people were killed, after which the attacker committed suicide. In a phone interview, Mehsud confirmed: “I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to US drone attacks”. The CIA rubbished Baitullah’s claim saying the Binghamton slayings were the work of one man who was Vietnamese!

It is worth remembering that General Musharraf signed a peace deal with Baitullah in Feb 2005. Under the terms of the agreement, the army withdrew from the areas controlled by Baitullah and gave him US $ 20 million as “compensation”. {That money was given to Baitullah to 'distribute' among those 'affected' by Army operation and Baitullah took all the money because his guys were also affected !} He took the opportunity offered by the peace deal and built up his power base and a fighting force of several thousand. In August 2007, Baitullah announced that the army had violated the agreement. And so the war games began.


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