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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ramana » 11 Feb 2009 03:58

Whats the point of all those weapons if they are for RDay purpose only. Did US have such inspections of TSP F16s and all other CENTO/SEATO hardware?

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Postby sunilUpa » 11 Feb 2009 05:03

^Yes, it is mandatory under US law (Section 40A of Arms Export Control Act)

EUV does not put any knid of restriction on the use of these weapons, but will restrict further resale to a third party.

For that matter every country has some kind of end user verfication programme for all armament deals. Without a end user certificate, no international arms deal can be concluded. However mechanism of this verification varies from country to country, most accepting a certificate from the importing country.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby JaiS » 11 Feb 2009 05:40

Honeywell to bid for IAF’s Jaguar upgrades

Honeywell International said on Tuesday that it will bid for the Indian Air Force Jaguar re-engine programme.

An official with Honeywell told newspersons that its F125 IN engine was a better product than the Rolls Royce 811 engine, which are currently part of the Jaguars. Honeywell Vice-President for military aircraft, Mr Vicki Panhuise, said that its F125IN engine can save up to Rs 7,000 crore for the Indian Air Force in life cycle costs compared with other upgrade options being currently considered.

He said his company will apply for the RFP which is expected to be floated during the second quarter of the current calendar year. The deal is expected to be closed by the fourth quarter of 2010.

Mr Panhuise said the Honeywell’s engines are at least 500 pounds lighter and more powerful than the others. It has unique features such as dual full – authority digital engine control system, modular construction and integrated engine health monitoring system.

The F125IN is the designation of the F125 engine for the Jaguar application, benefitting more than 540,000 hours of operational experience on the F125.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Rajat » 11 Feb 2009 09:38

with all these restrictions the US puts on its products, its strange that they still wonder why they lag behind russia in arms deals to India.

Unlike TSP, we DO have a backbone. and we're stubborn. we won't break the rules, but if you explicitly tell us not to, we'll wonder, "well, what IF i do? so what? <sticks out tongue>"...

forbidden fruit syndrome, anyone? :P

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Postby sunilUpa » 11 Feb 2009 09:44

One never owns any arms bought from America, merely lease them.

I have read many posters commenting about 'Restrictions'. Could some one point out some of the restrictions? (No DDM story please!)

Do not take End use 'monitoring' literally.

One more question, if Boeing consultancy in LCS flight evaluation would prevent India from exporting LCA, then using GE 404IN20 would also do the same. In that case if GE404IN20 had generated enough thrust, we couldn't have exported any LCA till Kaveri came online?

Pretty dumb!

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby vishwakarmaa » 11 Feb 2009 09:48

Rajat wrote:with all these restrictions the US puts on its products, its strange that they still wonder why they lag behind russia in arms deals to India.

Unlike TSP, we DO have a backbone. and we're stubborn. we won't break the rules, but if you explicitly tell us not to, we'll wonder, "well, what IF i do? so what? <sticks out tongue>"...

forbidden fruit syndrome, anyone? :P


Well, its primarily due to arrogant politicians of USA who loved to fund Jehad for their self-interests. In last 3 decades, USA banned and put sanctions on Indian industries whenever there was a threat to their puppet Pakistan.

Every once in a two days media-managers of Mr.Fobama speaks out against Pakistan(verbal verbiage) and then goes back to holes where they sign the bills of their pawn anti-Indian Pakistan.

Its a well known game and I expect Mr.fobama to continue it on the sideline, while he fulfills his main duty of opening African markets for western corporates.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Rahul M » 11 Feb 2009 09:51

please don't make this a discussion on politics.

discuss specifics of the end use agreements if available, else go to the strat forum.
thanks for the co-operation.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby sunilUpa » 11 Feb 2009 16:59

BAE Says India May Buy 57 More Hawk Trainer Jets

U.K. defense contractor BAE Systems PLC (BAESY) said Wednesday the Indian government may order 57 more Hawk trainer jets for its navy and air force.


"Negotiations have started on a follow-on buying of the Hawk, which will be for 57 aircraft of which 17 will be for the Indian Navy and the remainder for the Indian Air Force," Scopes said on the sidelines of the Aero India show.


As per the 2004 contract, 24 aircraft were ordered in flyaway condition, of which 23 have been delivered by BAE, Scopes said.


Earlier in the day, a senior Indian defense ministry official said the federal government is likely to order up to 100 Hawk jets for the air force and navy.
"There was always a plan for about 160 Hawks, so we are looking to fulfill that," the official, who asked not to be named, said. "The new order could be announced soon, perhaps at Aero India too."


I just don't understand our procurement rationale. What is the point of breaking up one bif order in to two or more smaller independent orders? It is the same issue with all orders..Smerch, Light weight artillary, Tracked artillary, Heavy lift helicopters, Attack helicopters, Submarines, MPA, Precision guided munition...you name it!

It is like giving Gangajal to a dying man..symbolic, but not capable of accomplishing anything!

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Postby Aditya_V » 11 Feb 2009 17:23

Can't we put a clause that the contract is contingent upon Mr Millibund, pubically regrets his eroneus comments

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'India Offset Policy Attract Global Attention'

Postby Hiten » 11 Feb 2009 17:28

'India Offset Policy Attract Global Attention'

DPP 2008 improves domestic industrial supply and encourage investments in the Defence Sector

.......the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) 2008 broadly incorporates measures to improve domestic industrial supply, apart from encouraging FDI and intensifying R&D in Defence industry.....

.....Government is considering a more dynamic defence procurement policy structure........

.....an offsets partner is now not required to hold licence anymore to associate with Ministry of Defence. This has increased the scope manifolds from 37 to 2,000 industries, which can now consider associating with the offset programmes....

......The Ministry of defence is also studying the offset policy of global economies to gather provisions for inclusion in India......

....Government of India envisages spending over US$ 30 billion for acquisition of military hardware and software during the eleventh five year plan.......

.......The overseas companies will be required to fulfil mandatory offsets obligation to the tune of 30-50 percent of such procurements.......

......'India is observing exciting times in defence market with a huge shopping list. An ideal proportion of military equipment balance observed in the developed world is 30-40-30 which is spread over state-of-the-art technology; mature technology; and obsolete technology. Whilst India's military equipment balance proportion is 15-35-50. Attempting to match up its defence infrastructure to world, India will be spending US$ 100 billion by 2020.'...

.....The assembly gathered here is a valid proof of professionalism and corporation shared by the industry body CII towards the cause of Indian defence industry modernisation.....

......


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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 11 Feb 2009 18:28

sunilUpa wrote:BAE Says India May Buy 57 More Hawk Trainer Jets

U.K. defense contractor BAE Systems PLC (BAESY) said Wednesday the Indian government may order 57 more Hawk trainer jets for its navy and air force.


"Negotiations have started on a follow-on buying of the Hawk, which will be for 57 aircraft of which 17 will be for the Indian Navy and the remainder for the Indian Air Force," Scopes said on the sidelines of the Aero India show.


As per the 2004 contract, 24 aircraft were ordered in flyaway condition, of which 23 have been delivered by BAE, Scopes said.


Earlier in the day, a senior Indian defense ministry official said the federal government is likely to order up to 100 Hawk jets for the air force and navy.
"There was always a plan for about 160 Hawks, so we are looking to fulfill that," the official, who asked not to be named, said. "The new order could be announced soon, perhaps at Aero India too."


I just don't understand our procurement rationale. What is the point of breaking up one bif order in to two or more smaller independent orders? It is the same issue with all orders..Smerch, Light weight artillary, Tracked artillary, Heavy lift helicopters, Attack helicopters, Submarines, MPA, Precision guided munition...you name it!

It is like giving Gangajal to a dying man..symbolic, but not capable of accomplishing anything!

I used to think they are doubtful about perfomance of weapon system and won't give full order untill they inducted few of them, but after looking at Phalcon AWACS, Mig-29K i was wrong. they are giving follow on orders even before operationalising aircraft of first order.
may be large deal presents some kinds of complexity and they would want to split orders for faster negotiation and signing process.

BTW it was reported that IAF has signed for 18 SPYDER SAMs, So are they 18 batteries or 18 what?, Some articles report that 4 squadrons or battalions of SPYDER would be inducted.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby rrao » 11 Feb 2009 18:52

[quote="JaiS"]Honeywell to bid for IAF’s Jaguar upgrades

Jai Guruji! its good that you have posted this. I think Jaguar needs an urgent engine upgrade!
without going into that see-saw battle dilemma of choosing GE414 or Ej200 for LCA, HAL should go in for a performing and reliable Engine upgrade from Honeywell or RR with FADEC. the analog engine control amplifier system (ECAS) of RR811 has become so vintage its a real nightmare to keep them functioning when they come for MRO! pretty old electronics of 1980's era with lot of obsolete analog components! its high to time to replace the engines with FADEC! i have doubts , is honeywell known for making engines?

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 11 Feb 2009 19:11

sunilUpa wrote:One never owns any arms bought from America, merely lease them.

I have read many posters commenting about 'Restrictions'. Could some one point out some of the restrictions? (No DDM story please!)

Do not take End use 'monitoring' literally.

One more question, if Boeing consultancy in LCS flight evaluation would prevent India from exporting LCA, then using GE 404IN20 would also do the same. In that case if GE404IN20 had generated enough thrust, we couldn't have exported any LCA till Kaveri came online?
Pretty dumb!

when Gripen doesn't have such restrictions then why LCA would?

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 11 Feb 2009 22:40

a new requirement of 9 multimission aircraft including 2 SIGNIT and 7 Target towing/Recon/COM Jammer aircraft.
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BANGALORE - India's Air Force signed a deal with Embraer for three EMB 145 AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning & Control) aircraft in July 2008, and the company is now preparing for the competition for India's multi-mission aircraft bid for nine aircraft, based on the EMB 145. This includes two SIGINT and seven target towing/reconnaissance mission aircraft with communication jammer capabilities.

The EMB 145 AEW&C contract includes a comprehensive logistics package comprised of training, technical support, spare parts, and ground support equipment, said Sergio Bellato Alves, vice president, Marketing and Sales, Asia, Defense and Government Market at an Embraer press conference at Aero India.

The first delivery is scheduled for 2011. The aircraft will be outfitted in India with advanced electronic systems currently under development by the DRDO.


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JaiS wrote:Honeywell to bid for IAF’s Jaguar upgrades

Jai Guruji! its good that you have posted this. I think Jaguar needs an urgent engine upgrade!
without going into that see-saw battle dilemma of choosing GE414 or Ej200 for LCA, HAL should go in for a performing and reliable Engine upgrade from Honeywell or RR with FADEC. the analog engine control amplifier system (ECAS) of RR811 has become so vintage its a real nightmare to keep them functioning when they come for MRO! pretty old electronics of 1980's era with lot of obsolete analog components! its high to time to replace the engines with FADEC! i have doubts , is honeywell known for making engines?

Rolls Royce Vs Honeywell
Dismissing its competitors claims that the new engine would add weight to the Jaguar and that its thrust speed was not comparable to its competitors, Martin said the weight was to be seen in context of whether it enhances flying performance or it could lead to an imbalance. It also had commonality with Hawk AJT engine, he said while making an aggressive sales pitch.

The company which has a 75-year-old relationship with India and has more than 1300 engines in service of India and been working in parternship with HAL, sees its future opportunity in 'RTM 322 IN NH90' for the Indian Navy, the Adour in Hawk, EJ200 for LCA and MRCA and the Trent 700 powered Airbus A330 for air-to-air refuelling, he said

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby sum » 12 Feb 2009 10:49

India's Air Force signed a deal with Embraer for three EMB 145 AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning & Control) aircraft in July 2008, and the company is now preparing for the competition for India's multi-mission aircraft bid for nine aircraft, based on the EMB 145. This includes two SIGINT and seven target towing/reconnaissance mission aircraft with communication jammer capabilities.

Are these for the ARC ( to replace old gulfstreams, B-707s etc?)

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby krishnan » 12 Feb 2009 15:04

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14855283


Yelhanka Airbase (Bangalore): Tata Sons and AugustaWestland signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) for the formation of an Indian joint venture company which will assemble the AW119 helicopter in India.

The agreement was signed at the Aero India 2009 air show by Giuiseppe Orsi, CEO, AugustaWestland and Rata Tata, Chairman, Tata Sons on Wednesday.

Interview: UK-India defence ties

The joint venture company will be responsible for the final assembly, completion and delivery of the helicopter, while AugustaWestland will retain responsibility for worldwide marketing and sales.

The first aircraft is scheduled to be delivered from the new facility in 2011, with production expected to rise to 30 aircraft per year worldwide.

Aero India Show 2009

“We are proud to have achieved this important agreement with such an important and strong industrial partner in India. Establishing an AW119 final assembly line in India will allow us to meet the growing demand in the world market for modern single engine helicopter and to further expand our presence in India, where we see strong future business opportunities,’ said Orsi after the signing ceremony amidst the roar of jets taking part in the Air Show .

“AugustaWestland is also committed to offering the best and most cost-effective solutions for the Indian armed forces’ reconnaissance and surveillance helicopter requirements. We will also work together with other partners in India to best serve the needs of the Indian market,” added Orsi.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 12 Feb 2009 19:23

sum wrote:
With the US land forces in Afghanistan in mind, the Army is all set to acquire the Harpy weapon system that has the capability to loiter in the enemy territory and pick up targets through its electro-optical sensors and destroy them with its 23-kg warhead.

Didnt we have the Harpy already? :-?

have a look at this
IAI unveils Harpy-2 or Harop at AI 2009
when i was reading abt Army harop aquisition in Indian express, i thought it was typo by DDM, but it was true. Harop has optical seeker allowing it to attack radars even if they are switched off.
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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Rahul M » 12 Feb 2009 22:15

X-post

http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/business/?id=102204
Poland Aero India 2009
Created: 12.02.2009 11:15

Poland is among 70 countries participating in the Aero India Show 2009, taking place in Bangalore, south India.

Aero India, an annual trade fair organized since 1996, offers the possibility to observe and promote the latest products and technologies of the aviation industry to an international professional audience.

One of the Polish stands presented at Aero India Show 2009 belongs to Cenzin and Bumar, leading suppliers and exporters of armaments and military equipment, both present on the Indian market for some long time.

Last year Bumar announced 1.2-billion-dollar sale to India of 200 WZT-3 armored cars, 80 Kroton de-mining vehicles, 100 Loara mobile anti-aircraft units and 110 self-propelled cannons1,000 tank engines (is)

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 12 Feb 2009 23:35

CAE, HAL to set up first level D helicopter simulator in India


seems like Navy has already ordered 8 Chetak UAV.
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IAF close to signing deal to acquire 20 Thales Ground Master 400 Radars for 100 million, price negotiations complete
An Indian Air Force officer said the service has chosen the Thales system, valued at about $100 million.

Thales responded to the international tender launched by India about two years ago with a product based on its new Ground Master 400 series of scalable radars, developed on its own funds. The French company beat a rival offer from Elta Systems of Israel.


more info on Ground master 400
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ThalesRaytheonSystems has unveiled details of its new Ground Master 400 long-range 3D air defense radar for high, medium and low altitude.

The radar, developed by Thales Air Systems in Limours, France in partnership with the company's Surface Radar activity in Hengelo, the Netherlands, is a fully digital solid-state radar that operates in a 400-MHz-wide band between 2.9 - 3.3 GHz (high S-band).

Ground Master 400 features a rotating antenna that operates at 10 rpm, so that every six seconds the full volume is scanned using the radar's multi-beam scanning principle (in which more than 10 vertically-stacked receive beams are covering the entire air defense elevation coverage).

Instrumented range is 250 naut.mi., detection range against small targets is 200 naut.mi. and the radar is effective up to an altitude of 100,000 ft.

The radar is credited (by ThalesRaytheonSystems) with range accuracy of 50 meters, an azimuth accuracy of 0.3 degrees and an altitude accuracy of 2,000 ft. at 100 naut.mi. distance. Resolution in range is given as 200 meters and as 3 degrees in azimuth. The radar features electronic stabilization between -6 and +5 degrees.

Ground Master 400 availability figures released by the company are a mean time between failures of 3,000 hrs. and a maintenance downtime per year of 30 hrs. Maintenance periods can be planned to take place four times/year.

Overall, the system fits in a single 20-ft. ISO container (weight: 10 tons) that can be air-lifted in C-130-size aircraft or as an external load underneath a Chinook-type helicopter, ThalesRaytheonSystems says.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 13 Feb 2009 14:57

Israel may have overtaken Russia as largest defence supplier
Requesting anonymity, a senior official in the defence ministry said that Russia has been the biggest supplier to India's defence sector for decades.

But it may have lost out to Israel, which seems to have cornered a larger share of India's defence spend recently. "I don't have country-wise data but it may be due to differences over Gorshkov and other Russian programmes," the official said.

The Americans, too, have grabbed significant Indian deals. Worried over the developments, Europeans are hoping that India brings in more transparency and balance to its procurement process. Several European firms at the Aero India expressed concerns over the influence that politics has on the country's defence purchases. Of particular concern to them is the trend of purchases without a multi-tender process.

Requesting he not be named, a senior executive of a European defence firm said, "We are okay with open tendering. But the trend of FMS (foreign military sales) deals and joint development programmes are skewed against us, and in favour of the US and Israel." "Most of Israeli procurements have not been through open tenders," said the European firm official.

Another European executive said that some of the biggest deals India has signed with the US, too, have been without an open tendering process. Among them are the purchase of USS Trenton for the Navy and the purchase of C-130 J Hercules transport planes. These were done through the FMS route, meaning a government-to-government deal.

Unlike the US, Europe hasn't been able to corner India's defence share by offering government-to-government deals. A missile programme between European manufacturer MBDA and DRDO is on the cards but otherwise, the last few years haven't been very encouraging for European firms. In fact, a deal for the purchase of 197 Eurocopter helicopters was cancelled in the final stages after several years of field trials and evaluations. The Europeans are still not convinced on the reasons given for cancelling the contract.

Some European and Russian officials warn that strict export controls and technology denial regime in the US may become a challenge for India later. A case in point is the recent replacement of Boeing with a European consortium EADS for consultancy for the light combat aircraft Tejas.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 13 Feb 2009 19:13

Rafael has started delivery of SPYDERs to IAF, dunno how can they do it so quickly, they are also in Armys QRSAM Bid.
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Rafael is optimistic about expanding its cooperating with local defense and industry establishments in India, following the supply of the first Spyder air defense systems to the Indian Air Force, and the potential for increased sales, addressing the future air requirements of Indian air, land and naval commands. Israeli participation has been dominant in most recent Indian air defense programs.

Following the formal approval of the Spyder procurement order, Rafael has completed the first Spyder-SR unit, comprising six mobile launchers, a command and control system, missile loaders and support elements. Delivery of the second unit is currently underway. The system raised great interest in India and throughout the region, being the first employment of standard air/air weaponry in a multi-role, all-weather, close-in and beyond-visual-range capable air defense system. In the past, similar performance could be achieved with much more complex and dedicated surface-to-air missiles. Rafael is hopeful that the initial Spyder sale to the Air Force will open the door for additional roles in the Indian Defense Forces, particularly, as a planned Quick Reaction SAM (QRSAM) program, the Army's successor for current forward air defense assets and medium-range missiles.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Katare » 14 Feb 2009 02:59

ajay_ijn wrote:a new requirement of 9 multimission aircraft including 2 SIGNIT and 7 Target towing/Recon/COM Jammer aircraft.
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BANGALORE - India's Air Force signed a deal with Embraer for three EMB 145 AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning & Control) aircraft in July 2008, and the company is now preparing for the competition for India's multi-mission aircraft bid for nine aircraft, based on the EMB 145. This includes two SIGINT and seven target towing/reconnaissance mission aircraft with communication jammer capabilities.

The EMB 145 AEW&C contract includes a comprehensive logistics package comprised of training, technical support, spare parts, and ground support equipment, said Sergio Bellato Alves, vice president, Marketing and Sales, Asia, Defense and Government Market at an Embraer press conference at Aero India.

The first delivery is scheduled for 2011. The aircraft will be outfitted in India with advanced electronic systems currently under development by the DRDO.


JaiS wrote:Honeywell to bid for IAF’s Jaguar upgrades

Jai Guruji! its good that you have posted this. I think Jaguar needs an urgent engine upgrade!
without going into that see-saw battle dilemma of choosing GE414 or Ej200 for LCA, HAL should go in for a performing and reliable Engine upgrade from Honeywell or RR with FADEC. the analog engine control amplifier system (ECAS) of RR811 has become so vintage its a real nightmare to keep them functioning when they come for MRO! pretty old electronics of 1980's era with lot of obsolete analog components! its high to time to replace the engines with FADEC! i have doubts , is honeywell known for making engines?

Rolls Royce Vs Honeywell
Dismissing its competitors claims that the new engine would add weight to the Jaguar and that its thrust speed was not comparable to its competitors, Martin said the weight was to be seen in context of whether it enhances flying performance or it could lead to an imbalance. It also had commonality with Hawk AJT engine, he said while making an aggressive sales pitch.

The company which has a 75-year-old relationship with India and has more than 1300 engines in service of India and been working in parternship with HAL, sees its future opportunity in 'RTM 322 IN NH90' for the Indian Navy, the Adour in Hawk, EJ200 for LCA and MRCA and the Trent 700 powered Airbus A330 for air-to-air refuelling, he said


Need vivek to see through the sales pitch and tell us the facts about engine performance

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby pkudva » 16 Feb 2009 17:54

Guys,no one commented on the interim budget.
The defence Budget is huge absolutely in terms of the size and i was quiet surprised to know that last year revised budget was 1,14,600/- crores where as the budgeted was 1,05,600/- crores.

It was earlier reported that we will give back about 4,500/- crores as unspent back to finance ministry,but it is great to see we have spent more. Hats off to Babus finally something has been done on the capital expenditure side.

This year also, when compared to revised estimates we have increased the defence budget by about 26,000/- crores again great to know especially when the capital expenditure has increased by 13,000/- crores.

Now, i would like to get ur feedback/replies especially we are now seeing that we are spending the amount.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Rajat » 17 Feb 2009 09:09

the army seems to have the lion's share again. let's hope they spend the money on the artillery they so badly need.

one thing i don't get is : while i understand that the army is the one arm that is perennially at war, wouldn't such a huge imbalance in allocation alienate the air force and the navy? after all, they too need to spruce up their weapons systems and delivery platforms...

and there doesn't seem to be even a little info on how much is allocated for the coast guard and the other paramilitary forces...and, of course, the police...

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 17 Feb 2009 09:36

Rajat wrote:the army seems to have the lion's share again. let's hope they spend the money on the artillery they so badly need.

one thing i don't get is : while i understand that the army is the one arm that is perennially at war, wouldn't such a huge imbalance in allocation alienate the air force and the navy? after all, they too need to spruce up their weapons systems and delivery platforms...

and there doesn't seem to be even a little info on how much is allocated for the coast guard and the other paramilitary forces...and, of course, the police...

Army gets less than Air force to spend on new weapons, much of their allocated funds is for paying salaries and pensions to millions of soldiers. capital outlay is increased by 6000 crore to 54,000 crore. Since we import lot of arms, in dollar terms its not going to make much of difference.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Rajat » 17 Feb 2009 10:14

i see...

so is the army doomed to have to wait another year for enough money to induct the smerches they so desperately need?

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby ajay_ijn » 17 Feb 2009 19:05

Rajat wrote:i see...

so is the army doomed to have to wait another year for enough money to induct the smerches they so desperately need?

no we don't shortage of funds as such. Govt can fund as much as needed but the problem is always red-tape, bureaucracy and inefficinecy in the whole process. BTW Army has inducted Smech systems, even the follow on order has been placed.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby sunilUpa » 18 Feb 2009 20:34

Sweden's Consilium AB wins NOK4m navigation equipment order from Indian navy

Swedish marine systems maker Consilium AB (OMX Stockholm:CONS B) said on Wednesday (18 February) that it has won an order for navigation equipment from the Indian navy.

The order, valued at over SEK4m, covers navigation products based on Consilium's Selux radar for three vessels under construction for the Indian navy at the Mazagon shipyard in Mumbai.

The equipment will be delivered during 2009-2011.


This can only be for P-15A.

company website

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby pkudva » 19 Feb 2009 10:28

Smerch has already been inducted into the army. the Additional Batteries of the MBRL is being inducted in an phased manner.

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Postby JaiS » 20 Feb 2009 04:37

Honeywell to deliver flight safety systems for C-130J Hercules military aircraft for Indian air force

YELAHANKA, India, 16 Feb. 2009.Honeywell in Phoenix announced that it plans to produce the military version of its Traffic Collision Alerting System and other key safety and mechanical systems for the Indian air force C-130J program.

"Honeywell expects to deliver the key aircraft systems that enhance flight safety – including our Military Aircraft Collision Avoidance System," says Vicki Panhuise, Honeywell vice president for military aircraft. "The Indian air force C-130J will also operate with other Honeywell avionics, mechanical and lighting systems, and components.

"Other Honeywell equipment on the aircraft includes the enhanced ground proximity warning system, flight management system, digital autopilot, control display, embedded global positioning and inertial navigation system, and radar altimeter.

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Postby arun » 20 Feb 2009 07:44



The Company’s press release explicitly states that the radars are for use on the he P15 A class of destroyers:

Consilium receives navigation order from the Indian Navy

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby JaiS » 20 Feb 2009 20:17

Ardiden: A joint Franco-Indian success story

Toward the end of 1990s, a cooperation agreement led to the installation of the TM333 turboshaft engine on the Indian Dhruv helicopter. Once this stage was successfully completed, HAL looked to sharpen the specs of its Dhruv by requesting 25% additional power in order to handle "hot and high" applications (i.e.: the ability to land and take off in high temperatures and at high-altitudes). The development of a new engine, the Ardiden 1H, was therefore integrated in the cooperation agreement with HAL. Although the same size as the TM333, the architecture of the Ardiden’s gas generator assembly allows it to achieve optimized performance for missions at high altitude. The first flight for a Dhruv equipped with twin Ardiden 1H engines took place on August 13, 2007. The engine that is certified and produced in India under the name of "Shakti*" was certified in December of the same year by the EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency).

Five 1H1 prototypes delivered since December 2008 Further developments then gave rise to the Ardiden 1H1, which has a power output of 1 032 kW. "The first test flight of a Dhruv equipped with twin Ardiden 1H1 engines successfully took place on January 12 of this year," says Thierry Mantel, TM333 and Ardiden programs manager at Turbomeca: "This 1H1 version is due to be certified by the EASA by March next." Five Ardiden 1H1 prototypes, all with components specified by HAL, have been delivered to India since December. These engines are now engaged in "cold weather" testing in the north of the country. As well as these prototypes, the contract comprises in all the production of 320 engines. Five phases of collaboration are planned, with progressive transfer of the manufacturing from France to India. HAL’s share of the work in India will ultimately account for over 70% of the engine’s production.

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Postby Rahul M » 20 Feb 2009 20:29

I see one interesting data point.

Five 1H1 prototypes delivered since December 2008 Further developments then gave rise to the Ardiden 1H1, which has a power output of 1 032 kW.


now compare this :
http://www.turbomeca.com/public/turbome ... 06&mid=615
It is designed to develop 900 kW (1,200 shp) takeoff power


vivek, take note.

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Postby KiranM » 20 Feb 2009 20:52

^^^ Errr... Which figure is correct?

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby AmitR » 20 Feb 2009 21:23

KiranM wrote:^^^ Errr... Which figure is correct?


IMHO I think both are correct one :

Turbomeca's site is referring to 1H version of engine with 900 kW (1,200 shp) takeoff power.
The previous post is referring to the newer variant 1H1 version with power output of 1032 kW.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Rahul M » 20 Feb 2009 22:50

spot on amit. this is a significant increase in power.
wonder how the payload values at altitude will change.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Rajat » 21 Feb 2009 16:15

rahul, are you asking vivek to take note of the change in power for the LCHs in his scenario? :wink:

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Postby JaiS » 23 Feb 2009 01:16

Indian Air Force to Install Aerostat Radar System at Southern Air Command

(IAF) has decided to install Aerostat Radar System at the Southern Air Command (SAC) last Friday.

According to Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief Air Marshal S Radhakrishnan, considering the region's strategic importance, Aerostat Radar System, capable of picking up targets at low ranges would be installed at SAC in two years.

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Postby JaiS » 23 Feb 2009 01:31

Naval pilots undergoing training on MiG-29Ks in Russia

Speaking to The Hindu during the recent Aero India 2009, the Director-General of the Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) MiG, Mikhail Aslanovich Pogosyan said naval pilots were presently being given flight training, with the training in theory just completed.

The 16 aircraft are also being upgraded from purely medium multi-role combat fighters into dedicated, network-centric information warfare platforms that possess force-multiplier capabilities such as airborne early warning & control as well as offensive electronic jamming.

“Indian pilots are already training to fly the MiG-29Ks from a shore-based facility. They have been doing even 15 sorties in a day during the winter. We expect the first four MiG-29Ks to arrive in India later this year, with the other 12 being delivered by 2010.”
Mr. Pogosyan also disclosed that the MiG-29Ks meant for India would be certified by Russian pilots taking of from a Russian carrier. However there were no plans as of now for Indian pilots to train from a Russian carrier

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Vipul » 24 Feb 2009 00:47

IAC keel-laying to boost India's defence capabilities: Antony.

With the keel-laying of the indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) on February 28, India will join an elite club of nations having the capability to build large warships.

Defence Minister A K Antony will formally lay the keel at Cochin Shipyard's Construction Dock marking the launch of the first phase of building the 40,000 tonne air craft carrier, Navy sources said here today.

Among the naval powers of the world, only the US, Russia, France and the UK have carrier building capability. Even among these four, the UK is yet to build a carrier with a 40,000 tonne displacement, sources said.

Started in 2002 with the designing of the IAC, the project gained steam in 2006 when the construction of the warships' building blocks began. The Cochin Shipyard has already completed about 8,000 tonne of work with steel procured from SAIL and DRDO, sources said.

Initially sanctioned amount for the project, codenamed P-71, will be Rs 3,260 crore, but it would be increased with the progress of the project and as per requirements, sources said.

With an optimum capacity to carry 30 aircraft, the IAC will hand it over to Navy in 2014. It would have Russian MIG-29 K Fighters, indigenous Light Combat Aircraft, and Kamov-31 helicopters on board.


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