Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby archan » 15 Sep 2009 08:16

link to previous thread

The following links are background articles on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/archive/nayyar_report.htm

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related
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Reason: updated, thanks.

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Re: Balawaristan

Postby SSridhar » 15 Sep 2009 10:13

Let me post the first one in the new avtaar.
Gilgit-Baltistan autonomy package wins few friends for GoP

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 15 Sep 2009 10:32

From the previous avtaar,
pgbhat wrote:Like a Meera. Oooh. ---- Mosharraf Zaidi

The Meera-affair has engulfed the Land of the Pure. Ejaz Haider, ever waiting to discuss salacious matters latched on to Meera to get his pound of flesh (no pun intended). Now, this one quoted above. A particular statement caught my eye amidst affaire d'honneur Meera.
Meera's appeal, in a country that is so drearily overburdened by both its Hindu roots and its Muslim canopy, is obvious. {OMG, however much they try, they are simply unable to shrug off the shameful kufr roots.}

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 15 Sep 2009 11:23

We were discussing in the previous incarnation as to whether the US will do anything at all about Musharraf's cock-a-snook regarding the diversion of US funds to strengthen defensive (and surely, offensive) capabilities against India. The obvious consensus, flowing from distilled knowledge, was that the US will do nothing. It is confirmed here

State Department spokesman Ian Kelly on Monday when asked about Musharraf's revelations said, "First of all, Musharraf is a private citizen. :shock: He provided very few details, so we would refer you to him to get these details."

But, he said, "I would just say as a general principle, we take very seriously any allegation of using US-origin military assistance for purposes other than we had already agreed to and that we had intended them for."

When pressed if there is any recourse and if the US was concerned over the diplomatic implications of what Musharraf had said, Kelly reiterated, "It was a very broad statement with no specifics that I know of. And, we would just need to have more details about that."

But when asked if the Obama administration intended to conduct an investigation, the spokesman said, "I am not sure," but repeated, "As I say, we take these things seriously."

Kelly said he was also unaware of any specific instances of such violations by Pakistan. "Not that I am aware of, no," he said.


Meera Shankar's response was good
"I don't know…, we are not the ones who gave the aid to Pakistan. It's more for the government of the United States to see how they need to respond to this."

"But as far as India is concerned," she said, "we support the economic and developmental assistance, which has been given to Pakistan because we share the objective of a stable and modern Pakistan."

However, Shankar added, "We do feel that in the security field, the assistance should be more tightly focused on building counter-insurgency capability rather that conventional defense equipment which can be diverted for other purposes. And, of course, there may be need for greater accountability in terms of how this defense assistance is being used."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 15 Sep 2009 14:11

Here comes the accusation of "Indian hand" for being responsible for the miseries of pureland meera.
Anything that goes wrong in pureland has a indian connection to it.
I hope this issue is brought up during the composite dialogue between shri manmohan and pureland duo of gilani and zardari.
Meera accuses Indian filmmaker for harassment

NEW DELHI, She might not have a single new release to her credit, but Meera continues to make news. This time, she has accused an Indian filmmaker Faisal Saif of threatening her.

Interestingly, Meera's accusation comes just days after an arrest warrant was issued against her in Lahore by Atiqur Rahman who claimed to be her husband and accused her of death threats.

This time Meera has accused Indian director Faisal of planting an agent in Pakistan to trouble her. Meera has done a film with Faisal apart from some other Bollywood movies like Kasak and Nazar.

"Faisal is the mastermind behind this. I did a film for him in India called Murder at Farmhouse. I have the tapes as proof. Now he has an agent in Pakistan to trouble me and it is this man who is claiming to be my husband," says the actress.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby sreeji » 15 Sep 2009 16:03

archan wrote:
A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.saag.org/papers8/paper710.html

http://www.boycott-pakistan.com/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Oct24.html

Commentary: The real culprit of 9/11?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi-brea ... -9906r.htm

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.saag.org/papers19/paper1844.html

Essential videos on Pakistan actively supports the Taliban - Files are WMV
http://hosted.filefront.com/C0pyLeft/1870150


The above links are not working.

Could this video of Bhutto abusing Bangladeshis be added to the list too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shiv » 15 Sep 2009 16:54


A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.saag.org/papers8/paper710.html


New url: http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.saag.org/papers19/paper1844.html


New url: http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r1844.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby archan » 15 Sep 2009 18:07

Thanks sreeji, shiv and SSridhar for checking up on the links. Two have been updated and the dead ones deleted. If you find updates, please let me know.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 15 Sep 2009 18:30

Editorial: Non-state actors in South Punjab
A report published in London’s The Telegraph alleges that the outlawed terrorist organisation Jaish-e-Muhammad has acquired a 4.5-acre compound outside the city of Bahawalpur in addition to the madrassa named Usman-o-Ali inside the city. While the local authorities acknowledge that Jaish has spread out of the city, they deny that the new acquisition is anything more than a cattle farm to supply milk to the Jaish seminarians.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik has repeatedly pointed to the growing menace of terrorist activity in South Punjab. A number of acts of terrorism carried out on behalf of the Taliban have been traced to militants coming north to Lahore from the south. Individuals with large caches of explosives and weapons have been arrested in the region. And reports about variously designated jihadi groups owing allegiance to Al Qaeda have featured in the national media.

India is said to be fishing in Balochistan and there are allegations that Pakistan continues to look at the extremist elements in terms of “good” and “bad”. The problem with such a policy, if it exists, is that these elements cannot be controlled effectively; they have their own agenda which goes against the security and sovereignty of Pakistan. Jaish is linked to Al Qaeda and cannot be said to advance Pakistan’s interests.

Pakistan has reason to be worried about Jaish and South Punjab because there are 3,000 to 8,000 youths from this region fighting on the side of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Punjab government and its law enforcement agencies should look into this and other such reports to ensure that this seminary is not up to any mischief.

Since when did Jaish become a 'worry' to TSP? May be because jaish is becoming a khujli for unkil and to TSP too due to GUBO.

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Postby Mihaylo » 15 Sep 2009 19:04

Avinash R wrote:Here comes the accusation of "Indian hand" for being responsible for the miseries of pureland meera.
Anything that goes wrong in pureland has a indian connection to it.
I hope this issue is brought up during the composite dialogue between shri manmohan and pureland duo of gilani and zardari.
Meera accuses Indian filmmaker for harassment

"Faisal is the mastermind behind this. I did a film for him in India called Murder at Farmhouse. I have the tapes as proof. Now he has an agent in Pakistan to trouble me and it is this man who is claiming to be my husband," says the actress.


Now who wants to bet that it wasn't Murder that was being filmed at the farmhouse. Cunning Faisal, Cunning Indians....bwaaahahaaa

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Rahul Shukla » 15 Sep 2009 20:14

Pakistan’s Foreign Direct Investment Declines 57% in Two Months (Bloomberg)

Investment in July-August period fell to $351.4 million from $824.7 million a year ago, according to data on the Web site of the Karachi-based State Bank of Pakistan. Overseas investors bought a net $60.8 million of Pakistani stocks in the two months, compared with sales of $178.3 million a year earlier, according to the data.
Overseas direct investment fell to $3.72 billion last fiscal year, from $5.4 billion in the previous 12 months. Overseas investors had sold $1.05 billion of Pakistani stocks in the last fiscal year, compared with purchases of $40.1 million a year earlier...

No worries! Allah has blessed Pakistan with a kufr uncle and he's rich!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 15 Sep 2009 20:53

Musharraf quit as part of negotiated settlement: Zardari

President Asif Zardari on Monday disclosed for the first time that his predecessor General (r) Pervez Musharraf had resigned as part of a negotiated settlement guaranteed by “international and local” stakeholders. :shock:

“All international and local powers, which have stakes in the region, were guarantors of General (r) Pervez Musharraf’s negotiated resignation,” the president told journalists at an iftar-dinner he hosted for them.

Though the president did not say much on the issue, he tacitly conceded that Musharraf could not be tried under Article 6 of the Constitution as was being demanded by some opposition parties, especially the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N). “I had been hoping that he (Musharraf) would play golf.”

When a journalist asked whether army chief General Ashfaq Kayani was also one of the negotiators and guarantors, the president asked: “Why do you want to bring him (Kayani) in this debate?”

The president avoided responding to a question when specifically asked whether the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) government would try General (r) Musharraf. “The PPP never recognised him (Musharraf) as the country’s president,” Zardari said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 15 Sep 2009 21:17

Country for sale? - Yawn Edit (Isn't this country already sold to 3 1/2 fliends?.)

AMERICAN drone attacks against the Taliban are routinely condemned as violations of national sovereignty. But there is little criticism of how our own government is threatening the country’s territorial integrity by engineering the lease of millions of acres to foreign investors. It seems that the democratically elected government, ostensibly a people-friendly administration, has wholeheartedly embraced the Musharraf regime’s corporate agriculture farming (CAF) policy. Arab conglomerates are to be leased vast tracts of land and will be allowed to repatriate all produce and profits, even in the case of a food deficit. This much has been confirmed by the federal minister for investment, and it is said that foreign-owned farms will also enjoy extended tax and rent holidays. All this has been decided without tabling the move in parliament. This is a gross injustice to the people of Pakistan and stands in clear violation of the UN General Assembly resolution on Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Pakistan Police Thwart Attack on Karachi Oil Facility

ISLAMABAD -- Islamic militants clad head-to-toe in women's burqas attempted to attack an oil storage facility in Karachi, raising fears that insurgents are fleeing northwestern Pakistan and infiltrating the nation's main business hub.

Three gunmen, disguised as women, tried to enter the high security facility used by oil companies, late Monday night, Waseem Ahmed, the city police chief, told Pakistani television on Tuesday. When stopped by security guards, militants opened fire, killing one of the guards. The assailants fled during a gun battle, leaving behind their burqas, purses and hand grenades.

"We suspect they wanted to carry out a big terrorist attack which our prompt police action thwarted," said Mr. Ahmed, the police chief, in an interview with the Geo TV Pakistan.

Pakistan imports foreign oil through the Karachi port, and stores it there before transporting it throughout the country. An attack on the port facility could have threatened fuel supply for the country's industry and transport, just as Pakistan's economy is struggling to recover from a global downturn and security woes at home.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 15 Sep 2009 22:16

Jaish is becoming a worry for its is used as an excuse by US to pressure the TSP. Earlier it was tolerated as Jaish activities were India specfic especially in Kashmir. Now its activities are being cited by US interlocutors as one more excuse for the pressure.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/09/15 ... are-we-on/

Fourth, there is not one monolithic Pakistan we can engage with. A choice must be made. There is the Pakistan of the armed forces which treats the country and its people as a fiefdom to be exploited for personal benefit. There is another Pakistan toiling in poverty, deprivation and backwardness for which succour from daily injustices is welcome from any quarter. Fundamentalists, meanwhile, see themselves as guardians of the Pakistani state and true representatives of the Islamic republic. They see victory within their grasp because they have duped the army into believing that it can calibrate the growth of jihadism.

There is also the Pakistan of the rising middle class which wants modernisation but equates it with neither westernisation nor Islamisation. They are as horrified as we are at a video showing Taliban goons caning a woman and yet like us do not want to succumb entirely to the Coca-Cola culture. The sufi and pir traditions to which Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and brave journalists, judges and lawyers belong are also part of this Pakistan. The small, almost inconsequential section of westernised, ‘liberated’ men and women is yet another Pakistan. There is also the Pakistan of the Mohajirs who see themselves as increasingly marginalised and resent that. Finally, there is the Pakistan whose political leaders represent growing popular aspirations for freedom and rule of law.

India must choose which Pakistan it wants to support, and which it wants to isolate and hopefully defeat over time. Clearly, we must work to erode the credibility and legitimacy of Pakistan’s armed forces establishment whose very reason to be is its festering animosity towards India. Islamic fundamentalists are the second group to be opposed. It is not mere coincidence the two are aligned in vicious opposition to India and subvert by coordinated, violent means any move to improve bilateral relations. Pakistan-bashing, on which some sections of India’s political spectrum and media thrive, strengthens the hands of these two groups. Nothing serves their purpose better than a bellicose India flexing muscles and vocal chords against Pakistan which they claim to represent. The reaction to Sharm el-Sheikh must have been music to their ears.

The Pakistan to be supported is today most effectively represented by Gilani. He comes from a sufi family, is a thorough professional with well-established credentials for integrity. He is seen as distinct from his president who comes from a completely different background and perhaps with his own agenda. Gilani represents the aspirations, weaknesses and strengths of the Pakistani middle class which desires better and open relations with its counterparts across the Wagah border. Sharm el-Sheikh was manifestly designed to support him and prevent him from relying completely on Rawalpindi, the jihadis or Asif Zardari for his political survival.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Vivek_A » 16 Sep 2009 00:24

NATO warplane drops bomb in S Waziristan

A NATO warplane violated Pakistan airspace and dropped a bomb in South Waziristan tribal region on Tuesday. No loss of life reported in the incident. Moreover, United States spy planes continued low-altitude flights in Makeen, Ladha, Sararogha and other regions of South Waziristan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 16 Sep 2009 01:32

At the rate things are going in TSP, Dawood Ibrahim could get bumped off by us special forces dressed as TTP. Similar to Somalia raid.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Rahul Shukla » 16 Sep 2009 01:48

Vivek_A wrote:A NATO warplane violated Pakistan airspace and dropped a bomb in South Waziristan tribal region on Tuesday

Is there no fakir left even in the most islamic region of the land of the pure that has the power to catch these bombs in mid-air by extending his kurta as in jung-e-paisath? What a shame!


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 16 Sep 2009 04:10

Welfare funds: civil-military comparison Masood Sharif Khan Khattak
On the contrary, the military -- more specifically the army -- welfare schemes have done exceedingly well. It may be mentioned here that the air force and naval welfare schemes have essentially followed in the footsteps of the army and have also done well. Even the Police Service of Pakistan has followed the armed services model and formed a police foundation that manages some business concerns. All military welfare foundations are now ever-expanding corporate entities. Sadly, nothing spectacular can be said about the funds managed by the political/civil authorities.

Criticism about why the army is in the corporate sector is unfounded because it has something like eight per cent of the country's population to look after in post-retirement periods as well as during times of war. If the army welfare organisations invest, earn and meet their welfare obligations, re-invest surplus funds and increase their corporate base, they are doing something right. Additionally, all of it contributes to the overall good of the country in terms of providing job and business opportunities. Commercial activity contributes positively towards many sectors of national growth. As opposed to this, the political-civil model based on unimaginative distribution of funds without first investing them in profitable corporate ventures is a proven unsuccessful model.

The army has two basic organisations, that is, the Fauji Foundation and Army Welfare Trust. Today, the Fauji Foundation owns huge business concerns in the fields of fertilisers, power generation, oil terminals and distribution, gas exploration and production, liquid petroleum gas, cereals, food stuff, stock exchange, overseas employment, security services etc. The Army Welfare Trust, through its Askari Group of Business Enterprises, manages businesses like banks, leasing, general insurance, cement production, aviation services, private security guards, sugar mills, farms and seeds, compressed natural gas outlets, woolen mills and real estate. Besides, the Defence Housing Authorities in Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad have contributed towards solving the country's housing problem and have generated jobs for military and civil personnel alike. These housing authorities have eventually become a source generating immense business activity providing jobs and business to hundreds of thousands of people. Critics will criticise come what may. But the fact remains that the army welfare schemes have done far more than to look after their serving and retired personnel.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 16 Sep 2009 04:37

Pointing figures ---- Anjum Niaz
A former Foreign Office contact in Islamabad must surely know his former boss's lecture fees. Not long ago, he was in the loop when Musharraf was the president. "The general's American benefactors (intelligence agencies; Dick Cheney's leftovers and invisible operators) want to pay him back for the services he has rendered post 9/11," he says. "So perhaps they have put the money in the cookie jar to be doled out to Musharraf every time he speaks." Does this sound believable? Even if it's not wholly true, still Pakistanis must wonder why Musharraf regularly addresses American think-tanks. It's not as if he lets his audiences into a secret on Osama bin Laden's hideout!
As the arena of action moves to New York, our two 'titans' Zardari and Musharraf will do the trapeze holding the 'begging-bowl' keenly aware of the safety net spread below them by their American godfathers. Both will get saved from a free fall.


The Glasgow-born Azeem Ibrahim is a "brilliant scholar, financial wizard and gifted entrepreneur," according to his peers. He's a self-made multi-millionaire and is one of the wealthiest young people in the UK. Currently he's at Harvard as a research fellow. Mr Ibrahim contends that Musharraf fooled Bush into believing his promise to contain the Taliban and Al Qaeda and this in return enabled Pakistan to receive $12 billion in overt aid and another $10 billion in covert aid. "The money has enriched individuals at the expense of the proper functioning of the country's institutions. It has provided habitual kleptocrats with further incentives to skim off the top. Despite the US goal of encouraging democratization, assistance to Pakistan has actually weakened the country's civilian government. And perhaps worst of all, it has hindered Pakistan's ability to fight terrorists," he writes.

Two days later another article by another Pakistani appeared in the same magazine. Sameer Lalwani is a research fellow at the Washington-based New America Foundation Launched in 1999, it has Steve Coll, the intrepid journalist as its president. Steve Coll, as many will recall is a keen Pakistan watcher. His incisive reporting on our nukes and whether they are safe continues to appear in the New Yorker regularly. Mr Lalwani's warning to Obama is contained in an article titled 'Obama's Pakistan problem'. He alleges that the military "selectively" targets only those Taliban groups which pose a threat to the government, leaving "untouched insurgents who confine their activity to cross-border attacks on US and NATO forces." He is of the view that the Afghan Taliban who use "Pakistan as a safe haven will continue to be given a pass. Pakistan considers them "strategic assets" to hedge against Indian encirclement, the Balochi insurgency, or a rapid western departure from the region that leaves Pakistan holding the bag."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 16 Sep 2009 04:40

A foreign hand
In the article "A foreign hand" by Abdul Hayee Baloch (Sept 15), he writes: "Hyrbiyar Marri revealed that 'American enslavement is better than Punjabi enslavement because the Punjabis will come and occupy our lands for good. The Americans will only steal our oil and gas, while Punjabis will obliterate our national identity'. And then he goes on to say that there is 'strong evidence of Indian support in planning, commissioning and preparing acts of terrorism in Balochistan'."

I am at a loss to understand as to how from Mr Marri's statement about American occupation being better than Punjabi occupation, the writer finds 'evidence' of Indian involvement. Perhaps a short course in geography will make the difference between America and India clearer to Mr Baloch.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Guddu » 16 Sep 2009 06:53

hulaku wrote:Pakistan Police Thwart Attack on Karachi Oil Facility.


Strat reporting
"The police in Karachi likely are making the incident into something larger than it really was on behalf of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), the political party that rules the city of Karachi. The MQM is very wary about the spread of the jihadist threat from northern Pakistan into Karachi; not only would a jihadist presence in Karachi pose physical danger to citizens, it would also threaten the MQM’s power. By playing up the importance of the incident at the oil refinery, the police are attempting to build anti-jihadist sentiment among the citizenry and justify a crackdown on suspected militants in Karachi.

The MQM’s concern is not unfounded. The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan has exhibited an ability to attack virtually anywhere in Pakistan, and they are known to have a presence in Karachi. Even if the Sept. 14 attack was unsuccessful and showed a lack of tactical capability, it indicated big aspirations. The weapons involved in this attack even in the hands of inexperienced militants could still be deadly, especially when targeting a softer target such as a hotel. The MQM is certainly eager to prevent any such attack, and so inflating the importance of this particular attack is not surprising at all."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ManuT » 16 Sep 2009 08:08

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 66,00.html

Iran Sanctions: Why Pakistan Won't Help
By Omar Waraich / Islamabad Monday, Sep. 14, 2009

Mi Lords, point note kiya jaye ... 'Time' journalism is now bordering on gutter press.

Partial text listed below...

But Pakistan's response to Iran will ultimately be determined by the all-powerful military establishment. And, analysts say, the army is a great deal more wary of Iran's regional aspirations. "They are not really allies," says Christine Fair of the RAND Corp. in Washington. "There is a misguided assumption that just because Pakistan gave Iran nuclear technology that they have some kind of strategic alliance." That deal, analysts say, arose out of former army chief General Mirza Aslam Beg's wish to "create problems for the U.S."

"Since then," says Fair, "Iran and Pakistan have been at loggerheads over a range of issues." The Pakistani security establishment is wary of Tehran's relationship with India, and it suspects Iran of allowing its territory to be used by Indian-backed Baluch separatist fighters in southwestern Pakistan. :roll: :?:

OTOH, thank you MMS. Thank you very much for this nonsense.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 16 Sep 2009 08:18

raghunath wrote:Musharraf quit as part of negotiated settlement: Zardari

President Asif Zardari on Monday disclosed for the first time that his predecessor General (r) Pervez Musharraf had resigned as part of a negotiated settlement guaranteed by “international and local” stakeholders.


The international stakeholders were the US, UK & KSA and the 'local stakeholder' was the PA. Nothing surprising in it. Now, Nawaz wants the 'deal' to be made public and is also worried about the loss of Pakistani sovereignty. This is hilarious. Pakistan lost its sovereignty a long while back and it was precisely that loss of sovereignty that saved the life of Nawaz Sharif himself in c. 1999 and also re-inserted him into Pakistan in c. 2008. Even as late as last week, he had been to KSA on urgent summons and under that same 'loss of sovereignty' to discuss with the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques as to how he should conduct politics in Pakistan. What sovereignty is he talking about ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ManuT » 16 Sep 2009 08:20

Musharraf admits US aid diverted

(I am sure everyone has heard this on the news by now, didn't see this posted, hence posting)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8254360.stm

Even with clear categorical statements in this interview, international experts on strategery will not be able it figure out as to what it means.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Singha » 16 Sep 2009 09:40

WSJ

Pakistani Police Thwart Attack
Attempted Strike on Karachi Oil Terminal Reflects Expanding Reach of Insurgents


By ZAHID HUSSAIN

ISLAMABAD -- Islamic militants clad head-to-toe in women's burqas attempted to attack an oil-storage facility in Karachi, raising fears that insurgents are fleeing northwestern Pakistan and infiltrating the nation's main business hub.

Three gunmen disguised as women tried to enter the high-security terminal used by oil companies late Monday night, Waseem Ahmed, the city police chief, told Pakistani television on Tuesday. Police say they suspect the assailants disguised themselves as women to try to slip past security checkpoints.

Pakistani police officers examined weapons and ammunition left behind by attackers in Karachi, Pakistan, on Tuesday.

When stopped by security guards, the militants opened fire, killing one guard. The assailants fled during a gun battle, leaving behind the burqas, purses and hand grenades.

"We suspect they wanted to carry out a big terrorist attack which our prompt police action thwarted," said Mr. Ahmed in an interview with Geo TV Pakistan.

Pakistan imports foreign oil through the Karachi port, and stores it there before transporting it throughout the country. An attack on the port facility could have threatened the fuel supply for the country's industry and transport, just as Pakistan's economy is struggling to recover from the global downturn and security woes at home.

Later Tuesday, police arrested four men suspected of involvement in the attack. During a raid on a house in Karachi, where the arrests took place, police found additional burqas, women's handbags and weapons, Mr. Ahmed said in the television interview.

Police say the arrested men are suspected of having links to the militant group led by Baitullah Mehsud, the Taliban leader who was killed last month in a U.S. missile attack in South Waziristan. A large number of militants from Waziristan and other areas fleeing army attacks have been taking sanctuary in Karachi -- the capital of Sindh province -- according to Zulfikar Mirza, the Sindh provincial home minister.


Separately, police on Tuesday recovered rocket launchers, hand grenades and suicide-bomb jackets from a water drain near a police-training institute in Karachi.

One sign of the rising level of insurgent activity, say police and government officials, is the increase in bank robberies and kidnappings of wealthy businessmen. They say the Taliban engage in these activities to finance their war against Pakistani forces in tribal regions. Most bank robberies in recent months involved militants from tribal regions, said Mr. Ahmed, the police chief.

Karachi's size -- about 16 million people live in the city -- helps insulate insurgents, providing a degree of anonymity not found in Pakistan's small towns and villages. Those fleeing the fighting in northwestern Pakistan, areas dominated by the ethnic Pashtun, are often taken in by residents of Karachi's sprawling Pashtun neighborhoods. Other potential havens for fleeing militants: the thousands of madrassas, or Islamic seminaries, across the city.

The municipal government, which is run by the Muttehida Qaumi Movement, a secular political party, has warned about the danger of the city turning into a new base for the Taliban. MQM officials have called for screening people entering Karachi from Pakistan's northwest.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 16 Sep 2009 14:03

36 Sino-Pak MoUs inked in one year: Zardari

Just short by half-mark (of 72). 8)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 16 Sep 2009 14:06

Rent boy of the world, Pakistan is going rental way for power generation.

Investment worth $2bn likely in rental power projects

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 16 Sep 2009 14:12

SSridhar wrote:The international stakeholders were the US, UK & KSA and the 'local stakeholder' was the PA. Nothing surprising in it. Now, Nawaz wants the 'deal' to be made public and is also worried about the loss of Pakistani sovereignty. This is hilarious. Pakistan lost its sovereignty a long while back and it was precisely that loss of sovereignty that saved the life of Nawaz Sharif himself in c. 1999 and also re-inserted him into Pakistan in c. 2008. Even as late as last week, he had been to KSA on urgent summons and under that same 'loss of sovereignty' to discuss with the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques as to how he should conduct politics in Pakistan. What sovereignty is he talking about ?


You can bet your last paisa that Pakis will take everytime a new statement out of their musharraf. See this

Nawaz agreed to let Musharraf go :lol:

Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif had agreed to let Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf go when international actors asked for safe passage for the former president, State Minister for Ports and Shipping Nabeel Gabol said on Tuesday.


Wheels within wheels.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 16 Sep 2009 15:47

raghunath wrote:Nawaz agreed to let Musharraf go

Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif had agreed to let Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf go when international actors asked for safe passage for the former president. . .


Non-state actors, international actors, local actors . . . Pakistanis think that by using these terms they can hide the fact that Pakistan is not a nation-state in any sense of that term.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 16 Sep 2009 16:08

^^
TSP is a non-state state.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 16 Sep 2009 16:15

Pakis are good at pointing fingers on foreign hand :lol:

Blackwater involved in Bhutto and Hariri hits: former Pakistani army chief

Pakistan’s former chief of army staff, General Mirza Aslam Beg (ret.), has said the U.S. private security company Blackwater was directly involved in the assassinations of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto and former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 16 Sep 2009 16:19

raghunath wrote:Pakis are good at pointing fingers on foreign hand :lol:

Blackwater involved in Bhutto and Hariri hits: former Pakistani army chief

Pakistan’s former chief of army staff, General Mirza Aslam Beg (ret.), has said the U.S. private security company Blackwater was directly involved in the assassinations of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto and former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri.

I can understand TSPA chief commenting on Bhutto's asss-ass-e-nation. But on Hariri?? May be it is the great earth-e-shatter puki tactics of 'internationalising' and escaping problems.


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