Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 06 Oct 2009 11:54

Pakistan all set to reject Kerry-Lugar Bill

OK, then what ? The US, in all its wisdom which it had exhibited so well over so many decades, may decide to dilute the bill considerably to the satisfaction of the Pakistanis. They may even outsource the drafting of the Bill or an Amendment to it, to the Pakistanis themselves as they did in the case of the Pressler Amendment.

A federal cabinet minister said the prime minister has devised a multi-tier transparent review of the bill. Parliament and the prime minister want to carry out a threadbare examination of the bill followed by a similar scrutiny by the Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DCC). Officials said the military- and security-related elements of the Kerry-Lugar Bill would soon be placed before the corps commanders of the Pakistan Army as well as the three services at the Joint Staff Headquarters level to assist the prime minister in drafting Pakistan’s official response.

A suspicion is gaining strength in the civil and military leadership that some elements of the Kerry-Lugar Bill aim specifically at creating a deep wedge between the civilian authority and the General Headquarters (GHQ) by raising well-settled issues{the 'well settled issue' is the acceptance of the Army as the final arbiter by the political class} and linking them with the US aid to Pakistan. The most provocative clause of the bill on this issue states: “An assessment of the extent to which the government of Pakistan exercises effective civilian control of the military, :( including a description of the extent to which civilian executive leaders and parliament exercise oversight and approval of military budgets, the chain of command, the process of promotion for senior military leaders, civilian involvement in strategic guidance and planning, and military involvement in civil administration.” The clause clearly dictates an upside down approach to turn the way the military and civilian authorities function in their well defined domains in Pakistan, an important official source observed.

“I think this is mischief to create a huge civil-military conflict but this will not happen. The prime minister fully understands the game,” the minister said.


Pakistanis have always invited the Army to settle domestic political issues and they too have invariably obliged as arbitrators. Politicians look up to the Army whenever things go out of control. BB, Nawaz et al. have openly invited the Army to takeover power whenever they were in the opposition. The general populace have always welcomed Army rule by openly rejoicing on the streets whenever there was a coup. The Army plays such a central role in the scheme of things in Pakistan that it is considered as an 'insult' by the Great Satan when he asks civilian governments to exercise complete control over the Army.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Lisa » 06 Oct 2009 12:46

pgbhat wrote:
According to a report in this newspaper yesterday, an estimated 200,000 passports are piled up in the UK high commission in Islamabad and 2,000 passports are being added every week :eek: – with little indication that the backlog will be cleared any time soon. While Pakistanis face cumbersome visa application processes at the best of times, the extra ordinary difficulties in acquiring a UK visa are unacceptable and unnecessary.



Could somebody please do the maths, 2000 per week, 200,000 in hand therefore 100 weeks worth of passports in hand, correct? How long for a Canadian visa?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby krishnan » 06 Oct 2009 13:44

Are paki's doing mass migration to UK

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Nihat » 06 Oct 2009 14:02

krishnan wrote:Are paki's doing mass migration to UK


they've been doing that for quite some time now , especially since they are not a very welcome breed in US after 9/11. Many think of it as the most friendly nation for settling outside Pakistan. Their education system is also tailor made for mass migration to the UK.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ashish raval » 06 Oct 2009 15:55

^^ pakis are backbone of UK market now. They have carefully placed themselves in services like cabs, restaurants (& few in medicine) and are now moving up the chain in education, art, music, journalism etc being the second generation here. Paki's in UK are same as Turks in Germany or North-Africans in France. No one can underestimate that the number of pakis around the world is now astounding and have reached far-flung places to build their lives and send money back home. I believe they should not be taken lightly in terms of their influence on the foreign policy of the nations they live. If not this generation in 20 years time they will become formidable force to contend with. The rat is out of box. I hope GoI is keeping close watch on numbers of Paki's emigrating to manpower short countries like Canada, UK, Japan, Germany, Australia, Middle-east etc. 1 Paki Women = atleast 8 kids in a house for sure. Bradistan is an example how 5k pakis can become 50k in 20 years time.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 06 Oct 2009 17:35

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan all set to reject Kerry-Lugar Bill

OK, then what ? The US, in all its wisdom which it had exhibited so well over so many decades, may decide to dilute the bill considerably to the satisfaction of the Pakistanis. They may even outsource the drafting of the Bill or an Amendment to it, to the Pakistanis themselves as they did in the case of the Pressler Amendment.


this indicates that there is this usual tussle between the army and civvies. Army wants to keep as much leverage as possible, but the civvies want the baksheesh to be able to run the country. In any case, pakis are masters are pointing at "internal dissension" to negotiate for more "concessions".

Sovereignty: Gilani and Zardari also discussed the recently-approved Kerry-Lugar bill. Both leaders dispelled the impression that Pakistan’s sovereignty had been compromised by the bill.


If I may indulge in some self aggrandizement -- yours truly had anticipated the objections pakis would have and the eventual adoption of a principled stand.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 06 Oct 2009 17:49

Nihat wrote:God bless the United Kingdom.

Err, please rephrase that as
"God save the United Kingdom"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby archan » 06 Oct 2009 19:00

Match fixing? Pak captain, coach sacked
Why would pakis sack anyone for showing pakiness? hain? and not even showing, they say "suspected" of showing it.
Pakistan cricket team coach Intikhab Alam and captain Younis Khan have been sacked following a match fixing suspicion.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby CRamS » 06 Oct 2009 19:36

SSridhar:

With Pakis crying so profusely over loss of H&D due to some conditions before doling out baksheesh, what are the chances USA will appease TSP by removing any reference, even indirect reference to India-specific terrorists in the bill? Right now, the bill calls for going after all kinds of terrorists, it explicitly mentions LeT, Jaish; but if those clauses are taken out, I think TSP will be quite happy. And furthermore, US can fine tune the civilian militray relationship langauge a bit. These steps should assuage TSP's H&D.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 06 Oct 2009 21:59

The first part of a two part article from Yale Global.

Mention of Iran in the title notwithstanding, this one is 100% devoted to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

I fail to see why the authors assume that the “risk of extremists compromising Pakistan’s nuclear program” will somehow lead in an increase of India’s risk and thus ought to serve as sufficient inducement to India to pander to Pakistan’s Jammu & Kashmir delusions.

Today the control of nuclear weapons by the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Pakistan armed forces focuses all of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons on India. With the un-uniformed Jihadi’s in the saddle I am sure that some of this nuclear arsenal will be re-targeted for use against Shia’s, Jews, Crusader’s and other objects of Pakistani Sunni Islamic loathing:

This past summer, advances of the Pakistani Taliban toward the capital Islamabad caused wide concern in the media. Though the Pakistani army vigorously pushed back, reclaiming Swat Valley and an American drone killed the top Taliban leader in Pakistan, the threat to the regime remains, according to Executive Director of the Partnership for a Secure America Matt Rojansky and his research assistant Daniel Cassman. In fact, the larger risk – that of the Taliban or Al Qaeda obtaining nuclear material – looms large. Precisely how serious is the threat remains a difficult question to answer. But Rojansky and Cassman have compiled data and mapped it onto Pakistan to pinpoint nuclear sites most at risk from an attack by the militants from zones where they operate. According to their research, two sites – Chashma-Kundian and the Wah Cantonment – provide the greatest opportunity for insurgents to extract nuclear material. Lest this seem inevitable, Rojansky and Cassman argue that worst can be prevented if the US and Pakistan were to follow the guidelines of the Cooperative Threat Reduction program under which the US and Russia reduced their nuclear arsenal. But such a step would require greater cooperation and commitment from Pakistan – an unlikely event given the country’s skeptical view of US aid. Indeed, there are larger issues that need to be resolved or at least moderated – e.g., the unresolved Kashmir issue and terrorists targeting India – to lower the overall threat level in the region. But without more assistance from the US, the risks are likely to persist. – YaleGlobal

Nuclear Challenge from Pakistan and Iran – Part I

Threat reduction in Pakistan will require greater Western cooperation and commitment

Matthew Rojansky, Daniel Cassman
YaleGlobal , 5 October 2009 …………………………

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Lalmohan » 06 Oct 2009 22:01

more evidence that the former crusaders think that appeasement of one jehad will lead to the cessation of another... totally not comprehending that all jehads lead to khilafat (AJLK) - [i want to copyright this BRF terminology :) ]

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 06 Oct 2009 22:03

Put that on your twitter and spread the news around.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 06 Oct 2009 22:08

:wink:

Motto of the Pakistan Army:

Iman, Taqwa, Jihad fi Sabilillah

Or Translated:

Faith, Pierty and Jihad in the way of Allah.

Add that as well.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 06 Oct 2009 22:10

Meanwhile ...................

The same old same same. US complaints of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan running with the hare and hunting with the hounds :(( :

…………….. Washington wishes to see Islamabad take on militants responsible for cross-border attacks on US and Nato troops and prevent Pakistan from being a safe haven for such fighters.

For a long time, the US has complained that while Pakistan – which has received billions of dollars in military aid since 11 September 2001 – was prepared to target militants responsible for attacks inside the country, it was less willing to pursue those whose primary battlefields were inside Afghanistan. Indeed, it is an open secret that elements within Pakistan still consider such militants to be strategic assets.

Such concerns will not have been eased by the news that the Pakistan army has renewed a non-aggression pact with Maulvi Nazir, a Taliban leader who earlier this year said he was joining forces with Baitullah Mehsud and Hafiz Gul Bahadur to target Western forces across the border and support the Afghan Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.

"You have a lot of guys in South Waziristan that Pakistan treats as assets," said Christine Fair, an analyst with the Washington-based Rand Corporation. "Maulvi Nazir is an enemy of the US but he is most certainly an asset of Pakistan." ……………..

The Independent, UK

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 06 Oct 2009 22:26

arun wrote:Today’s demonstration of the IEDology of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. This particular bomb attack however does not look like an IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :

At Least 3 Killed in UN Office Blast in Pakistan's Islamabad


Turns out it was indeed an “IED Mubarak” aka “Suicide Bombing” variant of the ‘IEDology of Pakistan” and the death toll has increased:

5 killed in suicide bombing of UN agency in Pakistan

The Taliban comment on the IED Mubark inflicted on the UN’s World Food Program office in Islmagood:

Taliban: United Nations Is "Not In The Interest of Muslims"

"We proudly claim responsibility for the suicide attack at the U.N. office in Islamabad. We will send more bombers for such attacks," Taliban spokesman Azam Tariq told the Associated Press earlier today. ……………..

The Slatest


Is it “halal” in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to bomb organizations working to alleviate hunger?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby RoyG » 07 Oct 2009 03:14

Go to jail or join jihad against India: ISI tells surrendered Taliban

Vishwa Mohan October 2009

NEW DELHI: In a new shift in tactics, Pakistan is planning to push as many as 60 "surrendered" Taliban into Jammu and Kashmir to become part of
the "jihad" against India. The ISI is said to have offered the extremists the option of either going to jail or crossing the Line of Control.

The "jail or jihad" option offered to the Taliban seems a useful diversion for ISI. The Pakistan military establishment has had to fight the Taliban, once its close allies in Afghanistan, but is looking to turn the situation to its advantage.

Apprehensions in Indian security circles that the crackdown by the Pakistan army on Taliban — seen as a last resort after the jihadis turned their guns on the Pakistani state — could mean trouble in Kashmir are being proved correct. Not only have infiltration attempts by regular jihadi outfits like Lashkar-e-Taiba gone up, the presence of Taliban poses a new threat.

Highly placed sources said BSF and the Army had been alerted about the developments after intelligence intercepted talk about infiltration bids in the next 15 to 20 days.

"Although the Taliban is yet to successfully infiltrate into India, the coming days will pose a challenge as their attempts to sneak in are expected before the onset of winter," said a senior official. The infiltration is closely controlled and monitored by the ISI and Pakistan army which is often involved in the crossings.

The issue cropped up as a major security concern during the two-day visit to Srinagar by a high-powered central team led by cabinet secretary K M Chandrashekhar and comprising home secretary G K Pillai, defence secretary Pradeep Kumar and other senior officials.

Top security and intelligence officials deliberated over the move by state actors in Pakistan to utilize the Taliban for their objectives in Kashmir. Taking note of the assessment, officials are learnt to have unequivocally noted during the reviews in Srinagar that there was no change in Pakistan's support to terror groups post 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks.

The Taliban, who recently fought against Pakistan army in Swat Valley and other areas along the Pak-Afghan border, were well trained and battle-hardened. They could put their experience of fighting US troops to use in Kashmir.

Apart from the group of 60, there are nearly 250 to 300 jihadis — armed with sophisticated weapons, Thuraya satellite phones and Indian mobile SIM cards — poised at launch pads along LoC. This feeds into the view that violence could escalate in J&K in the winter months.

The meeting in Srinagar, attended by senior Army and paramilitary personnel, also took note of repeated use of Pakistani Air Force helicopters to evacuate injured infiltrators along the LoC and as many as 42 terror camps in PoK and Pakistan.

"Such incidents (like use of choppers) clearly show the involvement of Pakistani authorities in facilitating infiltration. Though our forces are fully alert to thwart Pakistani designs, the next 15-20 days are quite crucial as this is the period when they will do everything to infiltrate as many terrorists as possible," said a senior official. That is when winter will begin to set in.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 07 Oct 2009 04:50

And the takleef continues :mrgreen:
Even as the British ministers visited Islamabad, hundreds of Pakistani students waited desperately for visas. Some faced the loss of places at universities where they had obtained admission, with terms in the UK having started last month. As things stand at the moment – many visas remain unprocessed even after months. Business people and others have found themselves virtually trapped, unable to move without their passports. Even passport retrieval can take weeks. Some passports, it is said, have been lost. In such a situation, the chances of student visas being processed in under a month were always remote. The British government must put in place measures to prevent students suffering any further. As the prime minster and the president pointed out, grave damage to the British image has already been caused. In addition, the secretaries who will now have a clearer picture of the anguish caused by the visa crisis must inquire into what criteria their staff in Abu Dhabi is using to approve applications. People who have travelled many times over decades – and duly returned home – are being refused. They include professionals, academicians, musicians and writers. Something quite obviously has gone very badly askew with visa policy. Urgent rectification is needed.


The Brit visa shemozzle ---- Kamran Shafi
Somebody made the point the other day that it was the prerogative of the mission of a country to issue or not issue visas to whom-ever. Absolutely right.

But a mission certainly does not have any right to sit on the passport of an applicant for months on end as the Brits have done in the case of, as it turns out, tens of thousands of Pakistanis. This is not only highly unfair, it borders on the insane.

I have a personal story to tell in the rather long saga of how certain Brit bureaucrats treat Pakistani applicants’ visas, this present ‘Abu Dhabi clearance’ nonsense only being the latest paragraph in this shameful saga. In 1993, when I was posted in our high commission to London, I invited my dear departed friend Col Farhatullah Khan, then retired from the army, to visit and stay with me. He was a hunting and shooting aficionado and I had promised him several shoots and hunts in England and Scotland.

The long and the short of it is that whenever I asked him when he was coming he would fob me off with some excuse or the other, promising to come the next month or the month after. When I got back to Pakistan at the end of my posting and asked him why he hadn’t come he told me that he was not granted a visa. When I asked him why he had not told me for I would have requested the British High Commission in Islamabad to issue him a visa which they would have done, Farhat told me he was ‘ashamed’ to tell me.

This is his story: He applied, along with substantial bank statements et al, but was sent back to bring the details of his landed property, houses etcetera, duly attested by the revenue authorities and amounting even in those days to over Rs30m.

Farhatullah went to the high commission on the appointed day, and after waiting in the cattle shed, which was the waiting area in those days, for an interminable time, was called to the window.

The curious thing, he told me, was that both the times that he appeared at the high commission, the Brit lady behind the counter refused to address him in English, but chose to speak to him through the Pakistani staffer present there. Farhatullah probably spoke better English than herself, but there it was, utter disdain for a respectable applicant; and a perfect gentleman. Even when he addressed her directly in his own impeccable English she would turn to her assistant and say, ‘Tell him….’

At that time too, I had written about this matter and after recounting Farhat’s story, sent the woman a ‘curse’: ‘May the United Kingdom soon have diplomatic relations with the Taliban in Afghanistan (please recall that in those days Dubya’s Texas was playing host to a delegation of Taliban and Hamid Karzai was a lowly employee of Unocal, the American company which was feting the Taliban in exchange for transit rights for oil from Central Asia), and may you be posted there, O’ Nameless, Voiceless bureaucrat. And may you wear a thousand veils!’

But seriously, while it is good to see the British government act with alacrity to defuse the fury generated by the quite stupid actions of one of its agencies by sending two senior officials to Pakistan, it will take years to repair the damage done to Britain’s good name. Also as already said in this newspaper it is highly inappropriate that Pakistani applicants’ visas should have to be vetted in Abu Dhabi. If the Americans can do the job in this country why can’t the British?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 07 Oct 2009 05:42

WASHINGTON : The United States must reassure the people of Pakistan and neighbouring countries it has a ‘long-term vision’ to stabilize the region, Pakistani Foreign Minister Showmyboob Qureshi said here Tuesday.
"The people of the region have to be reassured that the United States has a long-term vision, not just for Pakistan and Afghanistan, but the entire region," said Qureshi who stood next to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Qureshi's remarks come as debate rages in Washington on US strategy for Afghanistan with implications for neighbouring nuclear-armed Pakistan as President Barack Obama weighs whether to send thousands more troops to war.
"What we are looking for is a long-term commitment" from the United States, Qureshi told reporters.
"Why do I say that? Because the people of the region have to be reassured that the United States has a long-term vision, not just for Pakistan and Afghanistan, but the entire region," he said. " ( who appointed him to speak on behalf of region and what region ?)

The inconsistency of the past has to be kept in mind," he said.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 07 Oct 2009 07:05

New News the :(( seems to have paid off, but let us wait and see.
ISLAMABAD: The United Kingdom has decided to relocate its visa office from the United Arab Emirates to Pakistan to address the issue of delays in the issuing of visas, British Home Affairs Secretary Alan Johnson said on Tuesday.

He was talking to reporters with Interior Minister Rehman Malik after they held detailed talks on various issues, including the delay in visa issuance, illegal immigration, terrorism and extremism.

“The visa section was transferred to UAE as the IT system in Pakistan was not updated, but we are working on it and by the next month (November), the visa section would start operating from here,” Johnson said.

He also announced that the UK had decided to reduce the time period for issuing visas from 60 days to between 15 and 20 days.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 07 Oct 2009 07:33

7 more Pakistani fishermen caught off Gujarat
This sudden spurt is possibly a diversionary tactics to send in terrorists elsewhere. Or, it could be testing India's defences. The spate of recent threats and blackmails from across Pakistan and the fishermen incidents have to be seen together. The anniversary of 26/11 is looming. An attack therefore looks imminent.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 07 Oct 2009 07:46

Army top brass to scrutinise US aid bill
(Absence of Vasleen Takleef)

The most contentious parts of the otherwise pro-democracy document that are viewed as highly intrusive by certain circles are three certifications that the US secretary of state is required to provide to congressional committees for continuing security assistance and the format of monitoring reports.

The certifications include confirmation that the government continues to cooperate in investigating nuclear proliferators; is making sustained efforts against terrorists, including blocking support by elements within the military and intelligence network for terrorists, taking action against terrorist bases and acting on intelligence about high-value targets provided to it; and that the security forces are not subverting the political and judicial processes.

Almost all these aspects are covered in the format prescribed for the assessment reports, but an additional stipulation that has sent alarm bells ringing in the military establishment concerns an assessment of how effective a control the government has on the military, including oversight and approval of defence budgets, chain of command, promotions of senior commanders and civilian involvement in strategic planning.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 07 Oct 2009 08:04

Fears rise over militants in Punjab
BAHAWALPUR: Three burly gunmen stand menacingly at the gate of a mosque complex in the town of Bahawalpur as hundreds of men file in listen to a prayer for victory of Muslim fighters around the world.

This is Osman-o-Ali, the headquarters of Jaish-i-Mohammad, an al-Qaeda-linked militant group which has a long record of violence including an assassination attempt on former president Pervez Musharraf.

While Pakistan's attention is focused on the Taliban and al-Qaeda threat on the Afghan border in the remote northwest, there are fears that the militants are quietly expanding their influence and winning recruits in the country's heartland.

‘South Punjab is a fertile ground for extremists and militants,’ said security analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi.

The flourishing Jaish complex in Bahawalpur, in the south of Punjab province, illustrates the ambivalence that Pakistani authorities have long shown towards hardline Islamists.

Islamist factions were nurtured by the security agencies during the 1980s and 1990s when they sent their fighters into Afghanistan to take on Soviet occupiers and later into Indian-administered Kashmir region to battle security forces.

But Jaish was officially outlawed by Musharraf in early 2002 after it and another group, Lashkar-i-Taiba, were blamed for an attack on the Indian parliament which brought Pakistan and India to the brink of their fourth war.

Despite the ban, and repeated vows by governments to root out militancy, Jaish is thriving. It and an allied group are believed to have thousands of young cadres fighting western forces in Afghanistan and the Pakistani army in the northwest.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 07 Oct 2009 08:04

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is it somehow “halal” and not a case of excessive use of force, to deploy airpower against their own citizens? That this has been done against the minority Pathan / Pashtun make it somehow alright? :

UPDATED ON:
Tuesday, October 06, 2009
14:16 Mecca time, 11:16 GMT

Pakistan jets 'bomb S Waziristan'

Pakistani fighter jets have bombed the northwest tribal region of South Waziristan, killing six suspected Taliban fighters and wounding three others, according to a military spokesman. …………………

Al Jazeera

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Vivek_A » 07 Oct 2009 08:11

Haqqani lifafa...quite transparent..

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24891

Indians upset over aid bill

Wednesday, October 07, 2009

By our correspondent

NEW YORK: While the Pakistani media and many politicians are going ballistic about how the Kerry- Lugar bill impairs Pakistan’s sovereignty do they have any idea how angry the Indians are?

According to Indian Foreign Minister SM Krishna “New Delhi was concerned as former Pakistan president Parvez Musharraf had himself disclosed that his country had diverted some aid—which the US gives the South Asian nation as funding for the war on terror—to bolster defences against India.”

According to a former Indian intelligence chief, “Despite India’s constant protests regarding the misuse of American aid by Pakistan, US President Barack Obama recently urged “sustained and expanded” support for Pakistan at an international meeting. The objective ostensibly was to “strengthen” Pakistan to defeat terrorism.” Mr Obama said, “The violent extremists within Pakistan pose a threat to the region, to the United States, and to the world. Above all, they threaten the security of the Pakistani people.” This, in spite of former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf’s candid admission that under his regime Pakistan had misused US military aid to arm itself against India.

Indians - both the Indian lobby in US and the Indian government- fought to reduce if not prevent any aid being given to Pakistan. The arguments used were that previous aid had not helped and this aid would only bolster a weak state. In articles and on television Indians have admitted that the main reason they failed was due to the tremendous lobbying and diplomatic effort of the Pakistani government.

And yet instead of acknowledging the efforts of the Pakistani government our media labels them as “unpatriotic and anti-Pakistani.” According to a member of the Indian lobby “Looks like the Pakistanis know how to do lobbying and we do not.”

When the Indian lobby saw it could not prevent the bill it tried very hard to add harsh conditions on economic aid, especially to add India-specific conditions and conditions on Pakistan’s nuclear programme. They didn’t succeed again. And whom do the Indians blame for this — Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US, Husain Haqqani.

In discussion on the Kerry-Lugar bill in an Indian online forum, the Indians blamed their government for being “absent in the lobbies of Congress” and said, “The Pakistani ambassador is media savvy and misses no opportunity to appear on prominent talk shows.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Singha » 07 Oct 2009 08:25

Pak has reportedly come up with a "jihad or jail pkg offer" to identified local taliban to get them out of pak and into kashmir. a cheap way to solve two problems with one step.

there should be no lack of volunteers for this scheme.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Vivek_A » 07 Oct 2009 08:28

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Read the report above...notice how it's credited to "our correspondent" , Now Sethi's rag has the same report....verbatim...

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg7_31

Indians upset over aid bill

Staff Report
Lobby: A member of the Indian lobby said, “Looks like the Pakistanis know how to do lobbying and we do not.” When the Indian lobby saw it could not prevent the bill, it tried very hard to add harsh conditions on economic aid, especially to add India-specific conditions and conditions on Pakistan’s nuclear programme. They did not succeed again. And whom do the Indians blame for this – Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 07 Oct 2009 10:41

This is turning out nicely into a beer and popcorn issue.

Civil-military rift in Pakistan over US aid with conditions

"Those who have questions and doubts should read the legislation, which is very clear in its intent. There has rarely been such a multi-year commitment by the United States," Clinton said in a brief media presser, with an acquiescent Qureishi by her side.

President Zardari and Pakistan's ambassador in Washington Hussain Haqqani, accused of being US cronies, :P {So much for prave Haqqani who is hated by the yindians as previous articles made it sound} are under fire from the militarists. On Tuesday, Zardari asked his partymen to defend the Kerry-Lugar bill.

The Pakistani media has reported that the country's army chief Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani held a meeting with Prime Minister Gilani on Sunday to review clauses of the bill. The matter is also slated to come up in a meeting of the corps commanders and other senior military generals on Wednesday


Bakistan is going to do one of these things

1. Reject the money, ask for reworking the legislation. Wont fly, US congress is busy tackling healthcare
2. Reject the money, work out a quid pro-quo with the remaining 2.5 friends. Might work considering Saudi and Cheeni interest in A'stan
3. Declare great victory, take the money after giving assurances to "internal and external stakeholders" that the boat will not be rocked too much. Most likely.
4. Take the money, show protest by not cooperating on GOAT. Unlikely, especially if Unkil commits more troops to A'stan.
5. Take the money, protest by attacking India and use the backlash to no cooperate on GOAT. Very likely.

Already Unkil has made his move. Recently there has been a spate of Psy-Ops article about how much money given by Unkil has lined the pockets of generals and gone to purchasing arms to fight India --- Just to show that Unkil can twist the screws if he wanted.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ashish raval » 07 Oct 2009 12:06

The "jail or jihad" option offered to the Taliban seems a useful diversion for ISI. The Pakistan military establishment has had to fight the Taliban, once its close allies in Afghanistan, but is looking to turn the situation to its advantage.


GoI should officially warn Pakistan that if they find Taliban in Kashmir valley, India will consider it as an act of War and there will be consequences and repercussions.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Virupaksha » 07 Oct 2009 12:22

ashish raval wrote:
The "jail or jihad" option offered to the Taliban seems a useful diversion for ISI. The Pakistan military establishment has had to fight the Taliban, once its close allies in Afghanistan, but is looking to turn the situation to its advantage.


GoI should officially warn Pakistan that if they find Taliban in Kashmir valley, India will consider it as an act of War and there will be consequences and repercussions.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

How?? Yaa, I remember - by giving dossier pe dossier, dossier pe dossier.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby armenon » 07 Oct 2009 12:41

ashish raval wrote:
The "jail or jihad" option offered to the Taliban seems a useful diversion for ISI. The Pakistan military establishment has had to fight the Taliban, once its close allies in Afghanistan, but is looking to turn the situation to its advantage.


GoI should officially warn Pakistan that if they find Taliban in Kashmir valley, India will consider it as an act of War and there will be consequences and repercussions.



Talibunnies does not wear uniforms or wear dogtags to identify them as such. Whether it is Al Quaida, Taliban or local armed abdul it is all the same for us. We shoud shoot first and find out who they are later on.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby armenon » 07 Oct 2009 12:47

Pakistan must be really tired after having to go through all this dossier business. May be this itself will kill the cross border terrorism as the concerned persons cannot stand reading one more dossier and replying to it. :roll:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 07 Oct 2009 12:57

Please don't underestimate the dossiers. The recent paki diplomacy about "India should talk to pakis" seems to have been an attempt to remove certain wordings associated with latest round of baksheesh. So our dossiers are creating takleef.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 07 Oct 2009 13:21

Great news! Image :oops:
Pak not involved in bombing on Prince: S Arabia
Riyadh—Deputy Minister of Interior Prince Ahmad has contradicted recent reports that the Kingdom has traced militants involved in the attempt to assassinate Prince Mohammed bin Naif to Pakistan. “No detention or repatriation of any Saudi suspect from Pakistan in connection with the murderous attacks on Prince Mohammed bin Naif, assistant minister of interior for security affairs, has been made so far,” Arab News quoted Prince Ahmad as saying.

Prince Ahmed, who was conferred the medal of Commander of the International Order of Civil Defence here on Saturday night, said, “The attack on Prince Mohammed has not deterred our resolve. The doors are still open for deviants to surrender and repent in the name of religion and Allah.” The prince was referring to an attempt on Aug. 27 to assassinate Prince Mohammed, who was only slightly injured. The attack was later claimed by Al-Qaeda, which named the bomber as Abdullah bin Hassan bin Taleh Assiri.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 07 Oct 2009 14:09

Any new interesting video of pakistani def and dumb analysts analysing? Where is zaid zaman these days?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 07 Oct 2009 14:17

Obama convenes a situational room meeting on Pakistan
The Obama Administration now believes that it is important to have the right strategy for Pakistan as most of the top al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders are in the tribal areas of the country bordering Afghanistan.

The meeting would be focused primarily on Pakistan, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, said.

“The group of people that attacked us through al-Qaeda on 9/11 and is planning through intent, actively planning and intending to try to attack us ... mostly are now (based) in the country of Pakistan,” Mr. Gibbs told reporters in response to a question.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 07 Oct 2009 14:44

SSridhar wrote:Obama convenes a situational room meeting on Pakistan
The group of people that attacked us through al-Qaeda on 9/11 and is planning through intent, actively planning and intending to try to attack us ... mostly are now (based) in the country of Pakistan,” Mr. Gibbs told reporters in response to a question.

The ISI !
I think this is a threat to pakistan to behave or the obama adminstration will side step from the al-lie on terror tag.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 07 Oct 2009 14:56

^^
More of the same old $hit. It is all part of negotiating the price with GUBO b!tch. Expect some strong words from the messiah and then a watered down curry-langur bill. Huge victory will be declared by all and AKs will be phyrred in the air as usual.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 07 Oct 2009 15:38

All this drama of fighting the Taliban in Swat, Malakand, Bajaur and now in Waziristan is to to get the American Monkey off the Pakistani back. The Swat/Bajaur/Malakand drama (some of it real fighting where there were losses on both sides while most of it was long-range artillery shelling and PAF strafing to flatten villages and kill civilians) was enacted to get the Kerry-Lugar Bill passed. The South Waziristan drama which is shortly to be enacted is to water down the K-L Bill. The international aid for the massive refugee influx of IDPs was another source of income and also a showcase to FoDP (BS) that Pakistan was 'effectively fighting' the Taliban. The 3½ friends are getting impressed. The US is even talking of outsourcing the Taliban management to Pakistan now that the PA has demonstrated convincingly its ability to tackle them. The US is sliding back to the old zero-sum game in the Indian subcontinent and we have a tough time ahead once again.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 07 Oct 2009 15:40

RoyG wrote:Go to jail or join jihad against India: ISI tells surrendered Taliban

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 095277.cms


Above report baseless says Chidambaram, according to The News.
Indian government on Wednesday dismissed as baseless reports that Taliban militants are being pushed into held Kashmir to foment terror, but said security forces were ready to deal with any situation.

"The reports of Taliban militants being pushed into held Jammu and Kashmir are baseless. These are nothing but speculative reports," Indian home minister P Chidambaram told reporters.


No Indian paper has so far reported the above.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 07 Oct 2009 15:42

Visa Story

Cause:
December 2008
Pakistan 'linked to 75% of all UK terror plots', warns Gordon Brown
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 339975.ece

April 2009
Student visa link to terror raids as Gordon Brown points finger at Pakistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/0 ... rests-link
...Suspects being questioned today after one of the biggest anti-terror operations since the July 7 attacks exploited lax student visa regulations to enter the UK from Pakistan, Whitehall sources said yesterday.
...There are concerns inside government and the security services that the 11 Pakistani nationals being held in the north of England could have gained entry on student visas in order to form a sleeper cell. Gordon Brown talked of the police having foiled a "very big terrorist plot".

Effect:
UK started finding ways to avoid issuing visas to potential pakistani students cum terrorists.

Result:
British spies: growth in Islamist threat halted
Britain's domestic spy service thinks the threat from Islamist terrorism has stopped growing but remains severe
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/br ... 54830.html


But the purelanders whined so much that UK had to promise to fast track the process of issuing visas.

Cause:
viewtopic.php?p=751026#p751026
Even as the British ministers visited Islamabad, hundreds of Pakistani students waited desperately for visas. Some faced the loss of places at universities where they had obtained admission, with terms in the UK having started last month.

Effect:
viewtopic.php?p=751063#p751063
...UK had decided to reduce the time period for issuing visas from 60 days to between 15 and 20 days.

Result:
In the near future, headlines in UK newspapers,
Pakistan terrorists behind recent attack found to have entered UK on student visa.


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