Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Kritavarman » 17 Oct 2009 21:06

http://tinyurl.com/yg58mf5

Communications in and around the region appeared jammed, making it difficult to reach local residents or other witnesses.


In addition to night-vision devices, the Pakistan military has said it is seeking additional Cobra helicopter gunships, heliborne lift capability, laser-guided munitions and intelligence equipment to monitor cell and satellite telephones.


Something seems to be missing, if the communication is jammed why do they require equipment to monitor cell

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Lalmohan » 17 Oct 2009 21:08

as i get my pop corn and beer out and get ready to watch waziristan, malakand and swat redux, i am amused to re-read the stories of 200 years ago when the Sikh's battered the holy pakistan out of the frontier tribes and then a 100 years ago when the british army (largely composed of sikhs once again) had a rematch (although with more mixed results). all the same places, the same towns, the same mountain passes, the same pirs and akhunds and talibs... the same wahabi/deobandi fanaticism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Singha » 17 Oct 2009 21:18

looks like our goals are ok
- durand line has ceased to exist
- pakistan is our buffer state, shock absorber and strategic depth against the talibs and other
assorted militant tribes of the frontier

once half the people are dead or driven to madness by ceaseless war, we shall move in with
Indic religions philosophies and restore the glories of the old Kushan (Yuezhi) and Gandhara
cultures :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ArmenT » 17 Oct 2009 21:45

csharma wrote:BB is wearing a sari. Probably not common in Pakistan these days.

I saw the wedding pics of a (now ex-) TFTA colleague from Pakistan. He's from a very connected family (as in Mush attending his wedding kind). All the pics of his bride have her wearing a red sari :eek:. He said that this isn't unusual for Pakjabi weddings (might be high-end TFTA weddings that he's attended only -- this guy didn't grow up in Pakistan much)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby sum » 17 Oct 2009 22:13

In addition to night-vision devices, the Pakistan military has said it is seeking additional Cobra helicopter gunships, heliborne lift capability, laser-guided munitions and intelligence equipment to monitor cell and satellite telephones.



Something seems to be missing, if the communication is jammed why do they require equipment to monitor cell

Errr...since the beggar is Pak, don't expect logic. Just wonder as to why the Pakis forgot to add the death ray and satellite launch technology to help fight the miscreants.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Pranay » 17 Oct 2009 23:27

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

The Waziristan ops. finally commence...

Admins: Please start a separate thread for the PA ops. in South Waziristan. It will be a long and painful operation for the PA.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby AnantD » 17 Oct 2009 23:31

The Waziristan ops. finally commence...


India pliz tu not start ungli in border or baloch. Pliz!!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby AmitR » 17 Oct 2009 23:35

Pranay wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/world/asia/18pstan.html?_r=1&hp

The Waziristan ops. finally commence...

Admins: Please start a separate thread for the PA ops. in South Waziristan. It will be a long and painful operation for the PA.


:rotfl: :rotfl: What makes you think it will be long and painful?
They have got Laser guided bombs, night visions and other hi-tech gadgets to fight the illiterate and AK-47 wielding Talibs.
Wait till tomorrow morning you will start getting numbers of Talibs killed in nice round figures between 6 and 20. No bodies or anything else will ever be found though nor will the leaders be killed but they will bash on regardless.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 17 Oct 2009 23:41

Singha wrote:looks like our goals are ok
- durand line has ceased to exist
- pakistan is our buffer state, shock absorber and strategic depth against the talibs and other
assorted militant tribes of the frontier

once half the people are dead or driven to madness by ceaseless war, we shall move in with
Indic religions philosophies and restore the glories of the old Kushan (Yuezhi) and Gandhara
cultures :mrgreen:


:D
in the mean time
Allah hi allah kar piyare, bhai Allah hi Allah
Thandi aanhhe na Bhaar Piayre, na Bhaar piare na
Bus allah hi Allah

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 17 Oct 2009 23:42

And you will have stories of how 10,000,000 talibs have deserted the ranks of the TTP, and another 10,000,000,000 are injured and 1,000,000 have been killed.


AnantD wrote:India pliz tu not start ungli in border or baloch. Pliz!!

:rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shravan » 17 Oct 2009 23:59

AmitR wrote:Wait till tomorrow morning you will start getting numbers of Talibs killed in nice round figures between 6 and 20.

:P

11 terrorists killed in SWA operation
Updated at: 2030 PST, Saturday, October 17, 2009

WANA: Fighter jets of security forces pounded militants’ positions in South Wazirisitan, killing 11 terrorists and destroying 2 hideouts during the ongoing military operation on Saturday.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 18 Oct 2009 04:47

Taliban‘s main leadership based in Pakistan: Clinton
WASHINGTON, Oct 16 (Online): Taliban‘s main leadership is based in Pakistan and sending militants across the border for attacks in Afghanistan where the Indian embassy and UN agencies were among those targeted, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said.

"The main leadership of the Taliban that is allied with al-Qaeda is in Pakistan. Now, they send people across the border. They help to fund the Taliban extremists who are, you know, more associated with Al-Qaeda than indigenous groups," Clinton told ABC News in an interview. When pointed out that the Taliban inside Afghanistan have been at least hiding, Clinton replied ‘oh absolutely‘.

Taliban in Afghanistan are fighting because they get paid to fight, she said. "They have no other way of making a living. You‘ve got a very poor population in general," Clinton said, adding they get paid more to be in the Taliban than they get paid to be as a local police officer.

Also, there are all kinds of internal conflicts in Afghanistan between certain tribal groups or ethnic groups who find it opportunistic to ally with the Taliban, she said. "They‘re very conservative. They share a lot of the same, you know, moral or social values. But they‘re not a direct threat to us."

"But then there are those who are targeting American soldiers, who are targeting, you know, United Nations or the Indian embassy or all kinds of other targets. So one of the reasons why I think this review (of the regional policy) that the (US) President has directed is so important, we‘re trying to sort out who is the real enemy," Clinton said. The goal of the Obama Administration is to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat Al-Qaeda and its extremist allies. "But not every Taliban is an extremist ally. So that‘s what we‘re trying to make clear, both in our understanding and in our actions," the Secretary of State said.

Referring to the ongoing review of the Af-Pak strategy being conducted by President Barack Obama, Clinton said there are many options and there are all kinds of approaches that are being presented and considered.
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=14822

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Karan Dixit » 18 Oct 2009 06:01

Those were the simple days for Amir Khan when all the muslims were moderate, i.e. they only hated India. Now a days there are moderate muslims (India haters) and islamist muslims (Amir Khan haters). And, to make the matters worse, they are so mixed up with each other, it is very hard for Amir Khan to formulate a policy. But as they say, Gods work in a mysterious way.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2009 06:44

Karan Dixit, a good post.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Vivek_A » 18 Oct 2009 06:56

Ouch....this is going to leave a mark on TSPH&D

EU asks developing countries to buy fabrics from Pakistan

ISLAMABAD (APP) - The European Union (EU) has asked Bangladesh and other developing countries to buy
fabric from Pakistan to receive GSP facility to EU countries. According to a statement issued by the Ministry of
Textile Industry on Saturday, Bangladesh has not given this facility to Pakistani fabric but with the change of rules
of origin (RoO) in January 2010 which favour single stage transformation to their garments manufacturer and will
allow Pakistan fabric this facility.
Bangladesh Textile Mills Association (BTMA) has opposed the new criteria of EU on the ground that substantial
investment has been made in BD Primary Textile Sector (PTS) that is spinning and weaving to the tune of US$4
billion to get the benefit of GSP facility on supply of yarn and fabric to local garments manufacturers. Federal
Advisor on Textiles, Dr Mirza Ikhtiar Baig termed this a success for the country and said that it would enhance
the exports of Pakistani fabric to Bangladesh.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2009 07:10

The Ungovernability of Pakistan - Khaled Ahmed's Book Review
The book highlights the failure of Pakistan to reconcile itself to the changing strategic vectors of the world in the region. Because of a stasis in its ideological thinking, it is gradually losing its viability, as pointed out by Selig Harrison; and some pre-collapse symptoms are quite apparent in its growing lack of governability.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby rajsunder » 18 Oct 2009 07:12

Raju wrote:
Returning to the drug trade, General Gul named the brother of President Karzai, Abdul Wali Karzai. “Abdul Wali Karzai is the biggest drug baron of Afghanistan,” he stated bluntly. He added that the drug lords are also involved in arms trafficking, which is “a flourishing trade” in Afghanistan. “But what is most disturbing from my point of view is that the military aircraft, American military aircraft are also being used. You said very rightly that the drug routes are northward through the Central Asia republics and through some of the Russian territory, and then into Europe and beyond. But some of it is going directly. That is by the military aircraft. I have so many times in my interviews said, ‘Please listen to this information, because I am an aware person.’ We have Afghans still in Pakistan, and they sometimes contact and pass on the stories to me. And some of them are very authentic. I can judge that. So they are saying that the American military aircraft are being used for this purpose. So, if that is true, it is very, very disturbing indeed.”

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like what happened during Vietnam, drugs used to be brought to USA from places like cambodia and north vietnam using american cargo planes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Hari Seldon » 18 Oct 2009 07:16

Why has there been no repeat of 26/11 so far? Even Diwali passed by remarkably uneventfully (Praise the lord!). I certainly hope that a yindian response in terms of covert action in TSP is at least part of the reason. Am sure, we have been active in reactivating old networks and ramping up scale to unleash a tandav should occasion warrant.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2009 07:54

Security beefed up across Pakistan
The security agencies have also been asked to monitor Afghans whose names are in the list of Afghan Trained Boys :lol: , trained to carry out suicide attacks

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shravan » 18 Oct 2009 08:12

34 banned Hizb ut-Tahrir activists arrested

ISLAMABAD - Capital Police on Saturday arrested 34 activists of banned Jihadi organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir and impounded their 15 vehicles.

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Last week this organization held 'Shoe carrying' demonstrations in Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi and Peshawar.

http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/activ ... lack-water

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2009 08:30

The Spin Masters at work
He said Pakistan was the first county with which the current US administration had made a multi-year financial commitment that could be extended to another five years after successful completion of the first five years. He said it was unprecedented that both the House of Representatives and the Senate voted unanimously in favour of the aid bill, which showed US commitment to the people of Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2009 08:54

Interview with Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Pakistani FM
The interview seems to have been recorded sometime earlier but appears only now
SK: I would like to begin the interview with the regional context, Central Asia and South Asia fall in a different political configuration all together where we see an economic integration. We have been hearing this for the pat 62 years that Pakistan’s location is very strategic, Central Asia and South Asia are connected to each other through Pakistan, but today we see that Central Asia and South Asia are silently moving closer to each other. Do you think Pakistan will have any role in this whatsoever or is Pakistan on one side?

SMQ: I believe that Pakistan has a very important role to play in all of this and Pakistan’s role is now being recognised by everyone as well. You must have seen that the new policy implemented by the Obama administration, they have spoken about the regional approach in that particular policy. Today Russia is trying to re-engage itself with the Central Asian Republics, which were previously part of the Soviet Union. The world right now is going through a serious energy crisis and the Central Asian Republics are rich in energy resources, secondly they are growing markets. They have a population there and the population is steadily increasing, and that’s why people can now see various opportunities, beyond Afghanistan into Central Asia. And if that needs to be done, you know that Pakistan is the hub, which has to be used because you are aware of the fact that many Central Asian Republics are land-locked. They are not accessible through the sea, and therefore Pakistan behaves as a very natural trade corridor to them. We have man power, we have skilled labor, we have a lot of opportunities here, the Government policy here is such that it is giving incentives to the private sector for investments, so what I am trying to say is that people can come and install their capacities here for markets into Afghanistan and beyond.

SK: But what have we done practically? We did not open these routes and trade corridors for the last 62 years, we did not recognise our strategic position and today we see that India has constructed a highway from Iran with an investment of a Billion dollars?

SMQ: If you go back 60 years, you will see that this region was different back then, the former Soviet Union did not have their own independent policy and they used to follow the policies of Russia and the former Soviet Union. Today they are trying to establish relations with other countries; they have made it very clear that they are willing to have their own independent foreign policy. When I was visiting Tajikistan with the President recently, they made it clear to us that they were willing to build and establish economic relations with Pakistan. Location-wise, we are both on either sides of Afghanistan and that is why they are willing to have regional connectivity with us, by means of roads and railways in order to make trading easier. China is one of the biggest growing countries of this region when it comes to economy, we have been seeing an outstanding amount of growth taking place there, even today they are touching 9-10%, and that is why they see a lot of potential. Then the Western part of China, that part which is connected to these republics, is comparatively less developed; now you know that China’s policy is towards the West as they have made significant development everywhere else, now all their future investments and infrastructure developments are gradually coming here. Naturally, the needs and requirements will increase here as a result of that, their energy requirements can also be fulfilled from here and in this way again, Pakistan is going to provide them with a corridor to make all this possible. So I think there are a lot of opportunities present here in Pakistan.

SK: Now tell me, if we have to move forward in this and become a regional power, and utilise our strategic location, I think it is very important to change the mind set of our people. An MOU was signed between Pakistan and Afghanistan in the United Stated of America, it was signed in America and the leadership should have sold that agreement to the people, if India is part of the transit trade then everyone should have been told about it, but instead some hype was created in the media followed by some criticism and then it all died down eventually.

SMQ: The transit Trade Agreement does seem to be the topic of discussions these days, and what we are trying to negotiate, that is between Afghanistan and Pakistan. It was a bilateral arrangement that had been going on between us, and the last agreement was signed in 1964 and you know that there is a huge time period between 1964 and 2009 and a lot of changes has also taken place over the years, there are a lot of new ideas and new needs and requirements today, apart from that trading has also changed a great deal over this time. So it was being thought to renew that agreement and therefore discussions were being held between Afghanistan and Pakistan, we even exchanged a draft with each other and now we have signed the MOU. We decided that we have to sign this new agreement before the 31st of December 2009, we think this will be very beneficial to Afghanistan and obviously it will be greatly beneficial to Pakistan as well because the balance of trade between Pakistan and Afghanistan, is in Pakistan’s favor and the total consumptive requirement of Afghanistan is being fulfilled by Pakistan.

SK: India does not have any role in this?

SMQ: No, India is not playing any role in this agreement.

SK: is it a regional agreement?

SMQ: It is a regional agreement, that is true but it goes with Afghanistan and beyond. This Transit Trade that we are doing is between Pakistan and Afghanistan as well as with the countries beyond Afghanistan, which are the Central Asian countries. This is what the agreement is about and we are planning to reach till Afghanistan and the countries beyond it, through this agreement. If we have to make any agreements with India, we will do it bilaterally and that will not be done through this particular agreement.

SK: And when can we expect that to happen?

SMQ: That depends upon the overall situation of the country, you are well aware of the fact that Pakistan was showing positive behavior when this Government took over{what is the 'positive behaviour' of any country ? :roll: }, we tried our utmost to make the relations better and friendlier, but then the Mumbai incident became a huge barrier and even today Indian has not managed to come out of and recover from the Mumbai incident hangover. I am going to New York and I plan to meet their Foreign Minister there soon so lets see what outcome we get from that meeting.

SK: Are you expecting something positive from the meeting? Because Mr. Krishna has stated that terrorism and dialogue cannot coexist.

SMQ: I think I will try to show him the other side of the canvas, I am going to try and tell him that we should think big, and there should be no limits. If we want peace in this region, if we want stability, if we want democracy, if we want economic development, and if we want to boost our bilateral trade, if we want to renew the true purpose of SAARC, then in my opinion, we will have to change the way we think and behave. The Mumbai incident was undoubtedly very unfortunate, I condemned it then and I still condemn it but this does not mean that we forget to move forward from Mumbai and become hostages, and hand over our agendas to the terrorists so that they can create bad feelings between the two countries by such acts of terrorism. We do not want to do that, we wish to co-operate and we wish to tell them that similar incidents are taking place in our country as well, we have new stories of terrorism every other day, every other day you hear of bomb blasts and innocent people dying in our country and this is all affecting our economy badly, we are victims as well, just the way that they are.{Very smart, eh ?} We want them to join us in trying to find solutions to this problem.

SK: What do you think aboutMr Man Mohan Singh, and his statements?

SMQ: I think that Mr. Man Mohan Singh, Prime Minister of India is a thinking person. His behavior has been very appropriate in the past and it has been positive as well. Unfortunately, he has become a victim of the internal politics there, and these internal politics are pressurising him to such an extent that he is not able to say what he really wants to say. I think that all the interaction that we have ever had with India, privately, their behavior has been different the whole time and publicly they tend to take a belligerent stand in order to pacify their domestic audience.

SK: Despite the fact that Congress has always supported and backed him up? Even Miss Sonia Gandhi supported him.

SMQ: See, whatever was decided at the Sharmosheikh, I believe that was very positive. The engagement that took place there was a very constructive engagement and the whole world appreciated it, everyone said that this is the only sensible course available to the two neighbors. What other way do we have apart from having dialogues? Any other way apart from dialogues is not effective enough, and undoubtedly the way that India want to progress economically, of course they have their dreams too, they too {in addition to Pakistan, that is :lol: } want to emerge as a regional power, if they want to increase their importance in this region, then obviously they would want peace in this region. That is the only way.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Amber G. » 18 Oct 2009 10:37

Okay here is some positive news about TSP:

This news item about "Masters of Light" workers in Pakistan and Noble Prize caught my eye:

Here is the photo:
Image

And the caption
Workers with the Pakistan Telecommunication Company install a fibre-optic cable in Islamabad. Charles Kao, Willard Boyle and George Smith { If we don't say, may be no one will know that they are not from Pak }have won the 2009 Nobel Physics Prize for pioneering "masters of light" :rotfl: work on fibre optics and semiconductors, the Nobel jury said. (AFP/File/Aamir Qureshi)

Link

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 18 Oct 2009 10:47

Rangudu wrote:Today is October 13th.

People in the US do not miss tonight's Frontline episode on your local PBS TV station

Review

...................... John Nagl, retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel who wrote the foreword to the military's latest counter-insurgency manual, is unrestrained when asked about the Pakistanis and their truthfulness or lack of it :lol: . "I absolutely have to hold my nose when I work with the Pakistani government," he said. ..........................


Par for the course. Former US Secretary of State George P Schultz quoting Pakistan’s former President, Gen. Zia Ul Haq:

“Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause”

From Arms Control Wonk:

Useful Fictions and Big Whoppers

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Vivek_A » 18 Oct 2009 11:09

Freed Reporter Smashes U.S. Policy Myths About Afghanistan, Pakistan, Taliban

Then there's Rohde's second point:

"I had written about the ties between Pakistan’s intelligence services and the Taliban while covering the region for The New York Times. I knew Pakistan turned a blind eye to many of their activities. But I was astonished by what I encountered firsthand: a Taliban mini-state
that flourished openly and with impunity."

Or, in other words (and as Indian analysts keep trying to explain to the West), large elements of the Pakistani regime, military, and intelligence are the Taliban's best allies, as well as the sponsors of a variety of Islamist terrorist groups targeting India.

Yet it is that very country, Pakistan, that U.S. policy wants to depend on to fight the Taliban and al-Qaida. Washington ignores Pakistan's sponsorship of terrorism, deep involvement in the dreadful Mumbai attack and other operations into India, and laziness in battling the Taliban and al-Qaida.



7 Months, 10 Days in Captivity
By DAVID ROHDE


I had written about the ties between Pakistan’s intelligence services and the Taliban while covering the region for The New York Times. I knew Pakistan turned a blind eye to many of their activities. But I was astonished by what I encountered firsthand: a Taliban mini-state that flourished openly and with impunity.

The Taliban government that had supposedly been eliminated by the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan was alive and thriving.

All along the main roads in North and South Waziristan, Pakistani government outposts had been abandoned, replaced by Taliban checkpoints where young militants detained anyone lacking a Kalashnikov rifle and the right Taliban password. We heard explosions echo across North Waziristan as my guards and other Taliban fighters learned how to make roadside bombs that killed American and NATO troops.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby anandsgh » 18 Oct 2009 13:23

Our pious neighbors are really good inventors. Just discovered their new invention of "Deeni Commando".

http://www.pkaffairs.com/playshow.asp?pageId=5868

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 18 Oct 2009 16:03

If a lack of education is the root cause of terrorism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Sunday, October 18, 2009

Illiteracy root cause of terrorism, says PM Gilani

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Saturday said education is his government's top priority as illiteracy is the root cause of terrorism.

Daily Times


……………… Then a surfeit of education is also a root cause of terrorism as suggested by this news item datelined the same day as the above one:

35 held activists of banned outfit booked under ATA

Updated at: 0530 PST, Sunday, October 18, 2009

ISLAMABAD: The Capital police have arrested 35 people belonging to banned organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir, including their key leaders, and booked them under the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), police said.

Highly-educated people, including computer engineers, educational institutions’ head, businessmen, telecom engineers, students of different institutions, environment scientists, civil engineers and an officer of a US-Aid project were among the arrested activists of the Hizb ut-Tahrir. ……………………

The News


Pakistan’s Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani is speaking out of his musharraf. There is clearly another factor driving the penchant of individuals who originate from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s for indulging in terrorism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Suppiah » 18 Oct 2009 17:15

As of now I guess we can stop worrying or complaining about the fact that Pakbarian official establishment is arming and training the Talibarbarians. Because now many of these arms are being put to good use i.e., killing Pakbarian animals. Who will arm them if TSP itself does not do that? The chances of them running out of weapons is low..Keep up the good work!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dipanker » 18 Oct 2009 18:29

arun wrote:Pakistan’s Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani is speaking out of his musharraf. There is clearly another factor driving the penchant of individuals who originate from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s for indulging in terrorism.


And that factor will remain as long as their is no widespread reform in Pakistani version of Islam.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 18 Oct 2009 18:45

Dipanker wrote:And that factor will remain as long as their is no widespread reform in Pakistani version of Islam.

Pakistani version of Islam has decisively moved towards salafism, deobandism and ahl-e-hadeesm.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 18 Oct 2009 18:49

Pakistan, Taliban both claim success in fighting
Apparently, for many here on this side of the Atlantic, the stakes are very high from the outcome of this S. Waziristan "mother-of-all" battles. Read on:

The outcome of the operation in South Waziristan stands to shape the future of nuclear-armed Pakistan and the militant groups seeking to topple its U.S.-backed government.
:eek:

The Taliban claimed to have inflicted "heavy casualties" on the army and to have pushed invading soldiers back into their bases.
Double :eek:

Accounts from residents and those fleeing Sunday suggested that the 30,000 Pakistani troops were in for a bloodier time than in the Swat Valley
Triple :eek:

The army is up against about 10,000 local militants and about 1,500 foreign fighters


30,000 TFTA: 11,500 Uber TFTA

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 18 Oct 2009 19:01

I hope this time there is a real fight between TSPA and Talibunnies. I will wait until it is clear that its a real fight and not a dog and pony show before I grab my beer and popcorn.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby brihaspati » 18 Oct 2009 19:03

TSPA is targeting only one faction of the TTP. Two others are playing dolls for the TSPA. This action is about primarily satisfying US demands to provide enough sops that the US gov can use to justify its support for TSP. Secondarily it is about punishing and eliminating those among the Pashtuns who have grown too large for ISI boots and are trying to assert independence from TSPA and ISI.

The statement from the Hakeemullah factions about the next target being India is actually an indicator that the Pashtun Talebs are trying to capture the entire Islamic bandwagon and appropriate for themselves the basic purpose and life-goal of TSP and its state- which consists of TSPA and ISI only (and not the civilian trappings).

The underlying purpose of the TSPA and the ISI and therefore the entire TSP national project - is identical with that of the Talebs. This is a superficial conflict between factions of the same ideological movement for leadership and control. Out of this conflict will form a unified leadership and that is what all this pressure from the USA will lead to. Winter is approaching and the conflict will get bogged down. When they return to the plains, a core of TalebPak militant command will have been welded.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby kasthuri » 18 Oct 2009 19:29

The pure timing of the so-called war - at the start of the winter, suggests that it is a farce. We cannot expect to happen anything from TSP until they start reporting the right number of causalities. An reliable analysis of this operation can be found at LWJ.

Analysis: What lies ahead in Waziristan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby rsingh » 18 Oct 2009 19:32

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It seems tareel then mountain friends were making noise in east to divert Yendian attention from diluted presense of Bakistanis on our western borders. Bakis were planning mother of all battle in Waziristan. Baki's are not sure they will come back from there sahi salamat. Bakis's are dead sure that with Mumbai type attack ........................they might bget a zhapad from east when they are being washed up in Waziristan. But Chinis over did its Arunachal bak bak............ended up waking up sleepy attitude of Raksha Mantralay. China lost in her own game. Arunachal has a tourist boom........................every SDRE type want to reality first hand. Twang is running out of hotel rooms. Arunachal had never had it before. Now Chini want to calm down and Gilani advised them to talk to MMS one to one and they may pull out some face saving a la Sham whatever. Attack on Iranian elite forces in area near to Baluchistan surprises me.............some body wants Iran to put Army on alert on her eastern border..............but why?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Singha » 18 Oct 2009 19:33

the way I see it - even if its a show - real people are dying, real homes and farms are being ravaged and plundered, real women are being violated by TSPA on the side.

all of this causes anger in someone and since everyone in those parts has a gun and there's no
lack of groups / ideologies / bands who want to punish the american paid dog PA, it will rebound
on PA in due course.

witness the buddy buddy between the PA and taliban of old and the situation today. if the Talibs
drift into PA orbit, the al-qaeda and foreign fighters will slaughter their leaders.

thats the beauty of it - everyone has a gun and the cycles of being more faithful than
thy neighbour raises the bar each round.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Karan Dixit » 18 Oct 2009 20:31

Singha wrote:looks like our goals are ok

- pakistan is our buffer state, shock absorber and strategic depth against the talibs and other
assorted militant tribes of the frontier



That creates an interesting responsibility for India. Now, it becomes vital for India to make sure that Pakistan survives or else we will loose the buffer.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 18 Oct 2009 20:37

Karan Dixit wrote:That creates an interesting responsibility for India. Now, it becomes vital for India to make sure that Pakistan survives or else we will loose the buffer between India and Taliban.

India only has to make sure some parts of TSP which will serve as a buffer survives. There is no need to support TSP in its current form. In fact India should be managing the formation of the buffer zone to its liking. Fissures should be created at critical points much like the controlled demolition of a moth eaten building.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Kritavarman » 18 Oct 2009 20:54

Al-Qaeda is based in Pak, says Obama’s Chief of Staff

http://tinyurl.com/ygabrym

“This is where al-Qaeda is based… not just in Afghanistan, it’s clear that they’re based in Pakistan,” Rahm Emanuel, the White House Chief of Staff, told the CNN in an interview.

“What is the relationship between the Taliban? Are there different grades of a Taliban? That is what the analysis is going on in the situation room, and I think the comfort for the American people is the President will not be rushed to making a decision without asking firm questions and challenging the assumptions behind those questions,” Mr. Emanuel said.


Does this mean that somewhere in USA there is serious discussion going on about Pakistan and Terror? Are we going to see a U-turn of strategy on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Or it is a big game before MMS visit to US, showing how serious is USA with respect to Pak and Terror, now India needs to be serious about CTBT?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 18 Oct 2009 21:00

Dilbu wrote:I hope this time there is a real fight between TSPA and Talibunnies. I will wait until it is clear that its a real fight and not a dog and pony show before I grab my beer and popcorn.

60 terrorists killed, 5 soldiers embrace shahdat in Rah-e-Nijat:ISPR there you go, the martial army is out with statistics. :rotfl:


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