Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 18 Oct 2009 21:04

Kritavarman wrote:Does this mean that somewhere in USA there is serious discussion going on about Pakistan and Terror? Are we going to see a U-turn of strategy on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Or it is a big game before MMS visit to US, showing how serious is USA with respect to Pak and Terror, now India needs to be serious about CTBT?

I think it is to manage the takleef of mango amir khans on the street. Piss prize winner POTUS is spending so much of tax dollars on a cess pit called TSP without having anything of value to show in return. So the least he can do is to put up a show as if the whole issue is very complicated as to lose sleep over it. The truth about TSP is plain and simple but amir khan gubermint will be left standing in a ragged chaddi for all to see if amir khani people were able to guess it so easily.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shiv » 18 Oct 2009 21:06

pgbhat wrote:60 terrorists killed, 5 soldiers embrace shahdat in Rah-e-Nijat:ISPR there you go, the martial army is out with statistics. :rotfl:


Reminds me of the 1971 war in which India faced defeat against Pakistan. India lost 90,000 soldiers and Pakistan lost 9.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 18 Oct 2009 21:08

pgbhat wrote:
Dilbu wrote:I hope this time there is a real fight between TSPA and Talibunnies. I will wait until it is clear that its a real fight and not a dog and pony show before I grab my beer and popcorn.

60 terrorists killed, 5 soldiers embrace shahdat in Rah-e-Nijat:ISPR there you go, the martial army is out with statistics. :rotfl:

Ah.. nice round figure indeed. So easy to keep count, you see. :lol:

But It is very easy to prove this madrassa math equation wrong. So now they are saying 1 pious TSPA mard= One dozen piouser Talibs? It is better than 1:10 ratio for kufr yindoos? How in the name of grand poobah can it be possible? It must be a YYY propaganda for sure, no?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Shreeman » 18 Oct 2009 21:33

shiv wrote:
pgbhat wrote:60 terrorists killed, 5 soldiers embrace shahdat in Rah-e-Nijat:ISPR there you go, the martial army is out with statistics. :rotfl:


Reminds me of the 1971 war in which ... Pakistan lost 9.


Actually that is propaganda. At least two of the commandos were martyrs of friendly fire.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Mahendra » 18 Oct 2009 22:05

shiv wrote:
pgbhat wrote:60 terrorists killed, 5 soldiers embrace shahdat in Rah-e-Nijat:ISPR there you go, the martial army is out with statistics. :rotfl:


Reminds me of the 1971 war in which India faced defeat against Pakistan. India lost 90,000 soldiers and Pakistan lost 9.


It has been barely 40 years since the 71 war and the Pakis seem to have successfully airbrushed their defeat into a stalemate, a number of porki retards on youtube seem to genuinely believe that Porkistan "withdrew" from Bangladesh.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby AmitR » 18 Oct 2009 22:15

30 killed in Iran blast, Jundollah claims responsibility
Meanwhile, the ISNA news agency reported that Iran has summoned Islamabad’s envoy to Tehran over the bombing, claiming the attack had been launched from Pakistani soil.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby archan » 18 Oct 2009 23:15

shiv wrote:
pgbhat wrote:60 terrorists killed, 5 soldiers embrace shahdat in Rah-e-Nijat:ISPR there you go, the martial army is out with statistics. :rotfl:


Reminds me of the 1971 war in which India faced defeat against Pakistan. India lost 90,000 soldiers and Pakistan lost 9.

So you mean the reality is that one paki = 10,000 kafirs and not 10 as so humbly projected by the believers?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby archan » 18 Oct 2009 23:18

vaman wrote:It has been barely 40 years since the 71 war and the Pakis seem to have successfully airbrushed their defeat into a stalemate, a number of porki retards on youtube seem to genuinely believe that Porkistan "withdrew" from Bangladesh.

That is great if they want to live in denial. Their ignorance is their enemy's gain.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shynee » 18 Oct 2009 23:43

Pakistan military faces hit and run 30,000-commando militia of Taliban – Pakistani helicopter gun ships replaced with highflying jets
Taliban spokesman Azam Tariq told the media reporters from the war zone " We know how to fight this war and defeat the enemy with the minimum loss of our men. This is a war imposed on us and we will defend our land till our last man and our last drop of our blood. This is a war bound to end in the defeat of the Pakistan army." The Taliban claimed to have inflicted "heavy casualties" on the Pakistani army and to have pushed invading soldiers back into their bases.

An indication of the actual state of fight came from a conformed report that Taliban militia has forced Pakistan military to withdraw their helicopter gun ships and replace the same with high-flying Air Force jets. The challenge now is for Pakistani Air Force – can they surgically take out Taliban positions across the hills in high grounds?

Pakistan army is mostly relying on air strikes and artillery against militants occupying high ground. That is difficult without appropriate signal and ground intelligence.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 18 Oct 2009 23:43

Yes they withdrew to Indian military prisons.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 19 Oct 2009 00:00

Just watched Tharoor on CNN Zakaria show . "There is nothing "worthwhile" in Pakistan which India seek" he said . Hope Pukes get it as by virue of being adopted sons of UQ they speak better "inglis".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 19 Oct 2009 00:17

TTP gets Afghan Taliban support :(( :((

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani militants based in South Waziristan Agency committed the terrorism acts in the past couple of weeks or so with the help of the Afghan Taliban, The News learnt here on Saturday.

“Leaders of various militant groups active in Pakistan under the banner of the banned Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) have succeeded in winning support of the Afghan Taliban for committing terror acts in Pakistan,” a source in the security forces disclosed on condition of anonymity.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 19 Oct 2009 00:53

"There is nothing "worthwhile" in Pakistan which India seek" he said


Thank you, someone in GOI can state the obvious.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 19 Oct 2009 01:10

Pak Navy begins war games in Arabian Sea
Pakistan Navy’s maritime exercise ‘Seaspark 2009’ has commenced in the northern Arabian Sea, a public relations wing of the naval force said yesterday. The exercise spanning over six weeks would employ all operational units, including ships, submarines, aircraft, special services group and marines. The main objective is to assess operational readiness of Pakistan Navy and provide an opportunity to officers and sailors to operate under multi-threat environment and exercise responses.
The exercise has been divided into four main phases: preparatory, mobilisation, war and analysis. It is now in the mobilisation phase.

Hmmm,
On the one hand Rah-e-Nijat is 'underway'
On the other pakistan is probably planning another major terror attack on india
The Pak Navy has decided to be in the open seas deployed before any move by IN coops them in Karachi harbor.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby rahulm » 19 Oct 2009 02:48

It's a monster that cannot be put back in the cage

We have seen the coming together of the major Sunni radical groups ..


The Taliban are reported to be offering stiff resistance despite the army's formidable firepower
{Yes, they received training from the CIA and PA}

..there were three broad strands of militant extremism, with overlapping domestic, regional and global goals


Underpinning all three strands is the influence of the radical teaching of the Deobandi Sunni sub-sect. Its madrassas, which account for about 65 per cent of all religious schools in Pakistan, are a crucial source of recruits for extremist groups. The International Crisis Group says ''violent Deobandi networks in Punjab lie at the root of Pakistan's militancy problem''


Muhammad Amir Rana, of the Pakistan Institute of Peace Studies, said religious radicalisation was on the rise in densely populated Punjab, especially among the poor
{Now, the rot is in Pakjab too}

The growing Punjabi profile in the militant landscape was underscored by the Mumbai attacks


Matt Wade has done well this time.

Lately, there has been a swell and unanimity of reportage in the the western media highlighting the ISI (Government) - Taliban connections. This is not a new discovery, its been known in the west for a long time just not disseminated to the street person.

Looks like the stage is getting set for a major correction in allied policy towards their protege.

Maybe, the PN exercise is either to send a message or is pre-emptive unless it was planned well in advance.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Karan Dixit » 19 Oct 2009 02:57

Dilbu wrote:
Karan Dixit wrote:That creates an interesting responsibility for India. Now, it becomes vital for India to make sure that Pakistan survives or else we will loose the buffer between India and Taliban.

India only has to make sure some parts of TSP which will serve as a buffer survives. There is no need to support TSP in its current form. In fact India should be managing the formation of the buffer zone to its liking. Fissures should be created at critical points much like the controlled demolition of a moth eaten building.


Of course, Pakistan has long way to go before we can see some serious opportunity there.

If there really is a substantial anti army islamist force in Pakistan then we will have some opportunity for us in future. However, I personally think there is no difference between Taliban and Paki army so this whole Waziristan thing could just be a drama to entertain Obama; after all he is giving them seven billion dollars.

I really do hope this thing is for real because this is the first real challenge for Paki army from within the Paki land. If Paki army’s (i.e. Pakjabi) control is diluted then we can support India friendly factions in Pakistan. There are plenty of Sindhis and Baluchis who do not see India as an enemy and rightly so.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 19 Oct 2009 03:51

Now the problem for Pakistan is about to become bigger as this fight against the bad bad Taliban as opposed to the good bad Taliban (Quetta shoura) escalates.


Will the Mehsuds in the Pakistan army conflate this action with an assault on their ethnic identity? Is the Pakistan identity stronger than tribal loyalties?

we are about to find out. RAW will be leaking information over the coming few days on mass desertions, revolts and mutinies.

Watch this space and please stand by and hang on to your top hats.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 19 Oct 2009 05:02

archan wrote:So you mean the reality is that one paki = 10,000 kafirs and not 10 as so humbly projected by the believers?

archan, 1:10 is the ratio of the 60s. Ms. BB had raised it to 1:100 in the 90s itself. Don't you think in another twenty years since, it woudn't have reached the currently quoted figures ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 19 Oct 2009 05:08

Life in Kurram ---- Farhat Taj
I decided to meet the Sunni IDPs from Parachinar in Kohat. Later, I also had separate meetings with Shia and Sunni tribal elders from Parachinar. It turned out that there is a native Sunni Pakhtun minority in Parachinar: about 6,000 people. They belong to Zazi, Ghilji, Parachamkani, Ali Sherzai, Mengal, Muqbal and Utayzai tribes. The biggest tribe in Parachinar is Shia Toori. The Shia section of the Bangash tribe also lives there.

For centuries both Shia and Sunni tribes lived in peace under the tribal code of Pakhtunwali. Most disputes were peacefully resolved through jirga. Clashes were tribal rather than sectarian. In April 2007 there was a brawl in Parachinar among people linked with external sectarian organisations. The clash soured relations between Shai and Sunni Pakhtuns in the town. In November 2007 there was another clash in which many Sunni tribesmen, women and children were killed, their houses and businesses were burnt and a number of them were made to flee Parachinar. They now live as IDPs in many parts of NWFP.
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Later I had separate meetings with Shia and Sunni tribal elders from Parachinar to discuss the situation. There were accusations, counter-accusations, claims and counter-claims. Both sides showed me video clips depicting acts of terrorism committed against each side. Unless there is a proper impartial investigation, it is difficult to say who did what and how.

The fact is that both Shias and Sunnis have greatly suffered in sectarian clashes. Parachinar remained cut off from the rest of Pakistan for three years while Shias were publicly beheaded in areas outside the town. The other fact is that both sides have been abandoned by the state. For seven days the Sunnis were fired upon and no state help came. In two years many IDPs have not even been registered by the government. Those who have been registered by the government have received little state help. For Shias of Parachinar it is still very unsafe to travel on Parachinar-Peshawar road.

Both Shia and Sunni tribal elders hold state policies vis-a-vis Afghanistan responsible for the death and destruction in Parachinar. The Shia elders said that Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists ran into Waziristan after the US bombed them in Afghanistan. The terrorists sought passage via Parachinar to Kabul, because this is the shortest route to the Afghan capital. The Toori tribe flatly refused to provide the Taliban this safe passage and hence its current predicament where it is being punished by the Taliban.

Both sides hold individuals in official positions for playing a role in the ongoing tensions in Kurram and in particular Parachinar. The Shia elders alleged that two political agents of the area asked them to facilitate the Taliban’s movement or be ready for the consequences. Fortunately however, elders from both sides are keen to restore the excellent relations that the two groups have always had in the past. They agreed that in essence the sectarian tension in Parachinar is the tribal rivalry between the Toori, who are Shia, and the Mangal, who are Sunni, over resources like land and water. Had there not been so many external forces involved, the Toori and Mangal tribes would find a solution while the rest would act as bystanders. Due to external pressures, both Tooris and Mengals have dragged other tribes into the rivalry along sectarian lines. One group of tribal elders accused a foreign-funded jihadi madressah around Parachinar of spreading sectarian violence. The other group of elders held a religious scholar from Gilgit and interference by one of Pakistan’s neighbours as being behind the atmosphere of intolerance. Elders of both sects also alleged that a local, with links to the Sipah-e-Sahaba, was fomenting the sectarian disharmony.

The mainly Sunni Ali Khel tribe in Orakzai agency stood up to the Taliban when they threatened the Shia section of their tribe. Both Shia and Sunni tribal elders met in a grand jirga to work out the details of an anti-Taliban lashkar. The jirga was attacked by a suicide bomber, killing over 100 tribal elders. Orakzai was taken over by the Taliban after the mass killing of the Ali Khel tribal leadership and everyone — the majority Sunni and minority Shia and Sikh communities — suffered under the Taliban occupation.

In any civilised society the majority has a responsibility to protect the minority. It is the turn of the Shia tribal elders of Parachinar to do what the Ali Khels did in Orakzai.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 19 Oct 2009 05:31

Master Gen Petraeus, ISAF Commander MacCrystal arrive in Islamabad
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=14831

ISLAMABAD : The US Central Command Chief General David Petraeus and ISAF commander in Afghanistan General McCrystal on Sunday arrived in Islamabad, Aaj News reported.
The US Generals would separately meet with Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani and Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani on Monday.
According to the sources, they would discuss to provide weapons for monitoring the conversation of militants besides the glasses which are used to see at night.
They would also discuss provision of more gunship helicopters besides Kerry-Lugar bill.
War on terrorism and military operation against militants in South Waziristan would also be discussed in the meeti

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 19 Oct 2009 05:34

Dicktator Cycle of Bovinestan about to take another Spin
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=14830

Nawaz falls ill, Maulana flies off, both avoid Taliban fury

ISLAMABAD, Oct 17: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani reportedly felt fairly miffed when informed at the eleventh hour that the until recently extremely healthy Mian Nawaz Sharif would be missing out on the COAS security briefing ‘due to bad health’. It may be recalled that the Chief of the Army Staff, General Parvez Kayani had been invited by the prime minister on Friday to give a detailed in-camera briefing to the entire parliamentary political leadership on the overall security situation and the pending Waziristan operation in particular.

The rather implausible ‘bad health condition’ excuse was said to have found no takers because only a day before this critical security briefing by top military bosses to the top political leadership of the country, a smiling and cheerful Nawaz Sharif had come all the way from Lahore to address a press conference at the Punjab House Islamabad to convey his “serious reservations” over the Kerry-Lugar Bill. However, the PML-N Quaid went back to Lahore the same evening even though he had been invited to attend the extremely important briefing.

One source said that PM Gilani who has always taken pride in bringing together both politicians and khakis on critical national issues was extremely disappointed by the inexplicable absence of Nawaz Sharif.

Knowledgeable sources claimed that Nawaz Sharif probably did not want to be viewed as having personally and directly endorsed full military action against the Taliban in a particular operation such as the Waziristan operation and particularly so at a time when the Taliban had already started vengeful strikes in different parts of the country.

The sources said JUI leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman was also found missing from the briefing almost on the same grounds, as he had taken a flight to Turkey a day before this meeting, so as he too was not seen on television cameras listening to the briefing by the chief of army staff getting approval to launch attacks on Taliban in Waziristan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 19 Oct 2009 05:57

vaman wrote:It has been barely 40 years since the 71 war and the Pakis seem to have successfully airbrushed their defeat into a stalemate, a number of porki retards on youtube seem to genuinely believe that Porkistan "withdrew" from Bangladesh.


It is in fact true. 90,000 of them "withdrew" into Indian territory and ate up all of our rations.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 19 Oct 2009 05:59

The jirga was attacked by a suicide bomber, killing over 100 tribal elders



What other juicy details are yet to come to light?.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dmurphy » 19 Oct 2009 06:10

Iran accuses Pakistan over attack :twisted:
Mr Ahmadinejad pointed towards Pakistan.

"We were informed that some security agents in Pakistan are co-operating with the main elements of this terrorist incident," he was quoted as saying by the semi-official Fars news agency.

"We regard it as our right to demand these criminals from them," he said, without giving elaborating.

"We ask the Pakistani government not to delay any longer in the apprehension of the main elements in this terrorist attack."

Iranian authorities summoned a senior Pakistani diplomat in Tehran, claiming that the assailants had arrived in Iran from Pakistan, Iranian state media reported.

The foreign ministry also "protested against the use of Pakistani territory by the terrorists and rebels against the Islamic Republic of Iran," the Isna news agency reported.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby VijayKumarSinha » 19 Oct 2009 06:43

Another terror bust has links to Pakistan.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le1325861/

The jury, which viewed more than 3,000 exhibits and heard from more than 300 witnesses, was also told one man participated in a terrorist-run paramilitary training camp in Pakistan, and three others attended similar camps in New South Wales to prepare for an attack.


Tell me why they don't like to be called TSP?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 19 Oct 2009 06:49

Pakistan's complete name is Islamic Jamhooriya Pakistan. I guess in today's scenario it is more of International Jihadi Pakistan or BRF's TSP.

Wrt the Iran terror attack. If the Iranians decide to retaliate, there will be a layer of horrible sectarian violence added to the numerous layers of groups bombing and terror attacks within pakistan.

Man pakistan is so phucked. :|

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 19 Oct 2009 06:52

SSridhar saar,
Is it possible to make a flowchart of all the various groups in Af-pak locating areas on the map, force levels, allegience, and major hits etc. Maybe a BRF Monitor article.
I will eagerly help with any diagrams, any way if needed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby AnantD » 19 Oct 2009 06:55

The truth of the matter is every intelligent being in this world, including all bakris know that TSP is the biggest TS the world has known. Just as the Dragon is the biggest proliferator and IP thief.

No need to get Gotus/Potus/UQ certificates for that, they know it themselves,including their entire populations, and the more they hide it with this axis of evil and similar garbage, they will only find out to their own detriment in the next decade. No one believes a word coming out of them anyways, if you were to bet your money on it anyways.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 19 Oct 2009 07:50

Airline Quitters
Positive spin: porki airlines see profit.

6th foreign airline also suspends Peshawar flights

PESHAWAR: The sixth foreign airline operating flights to Peshawar has also suspended its operations due to security concerns. Following rocket attacks on the Peshawar airport in mid-August, five Gulf-based airlines suspended their flights to Peshawar. These were Saudi Arabian Airlines, Emirates Airlines, Gulf Air, Air Arabia and Etihad Airways.


It isn’t known if heightened security concerns are the reason for suspension of Qatar Airways flights to Peshawar International Airport or some other factor has prompted the airline to make the decision. :roll:


Only three Pakistani airlines — PIA, Air Blue and Shaheen — now operate international flights to and from Peshawar. These airlines also use the Peshawar airport for domestic flights. All three airlines are reportedly making handsome profit from their overseas flights to and from Peshawar.


The absence of a five-star hotel in Peshawar following the closure of Pearl Continental Hotel is another reason for the six foreign airlines not to fly to the city.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SwamyG » 19 Oct 2009 07:57

Gagan wrote:SSridhar saar,
Is it possible to make a flowchart of all the various groups in Af-pak locating areas on the map, force levels, allegience, and major hits etc. Maybe a BRF Monitor article.
I will eagerly help with any diagrams, any way if needed.

Here is something for you to get started:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 880055.ece
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1018/p02s07-usmi.html {discusses the 3 different networks from an American perspective}

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 19 Oct 2009 07:59

East Porkistan: A different View
Gee...For porkis, time is the best healer and sedative.

Who broke Pakistan?

My own experience — I was serving in the army in East Pakistan — with the Bengalis, even after going through the catastrophic events of that tragic year is entirely different from general perceptions here. A middle-aged Bengali from a nearby village walked up to me, hugged me and started crying and saying “we never wanted this”.


My story is entirely different from what the Pakistani people have been fed by our rulers, the BBC and the All India Radio. My problem and that of my colleagues, about 30-32,000 army personnel who became POWs in India, is that we cannot narrate or write well to generate interest among readers if someone at all is keen to know the truth.


Col (r) Nazir Ahmed


I bet the good Colonel was one of the unlucky "32,000" who chose to "withdraw" to India. Miraculously, the remaining 60,000 or so missing personnel had left a day earlier for the land of the pure.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 19 Oct 2009 08:08

sanjaykumar wrote:The jirga was attacked by a suicide bomber, killing over 100 tribal elders
What other juicy details are yet to come to light?.

sanjaykumar, that is old and well known piece of information. Let me explain.

The people of FATA region, who have already lost their jirga leaders and the maliks, (more than 300 maliks have been killed by the Taliban between circa 2002 and 2004 and another 300 between 2004 and 2008)have thus become receptive to Taliban and Al Qaeda propaganda. The massacre started with those who opposed the presence of foreign fighters (mainly Uzbeks and Chechens) in South Waziristan. Those who refused to accommodate them were dubbed as traitors or US Spies and killed. The Uzbeks, under Tahir Yuldashev's IMU (Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan), were particularly gruesome. Also, the influx of Punjabi Taliban (JeM, LeJ, HuJI) was looked at with suspicion by the Uzbeks because of the reputation of the close nexus between the Punjabi Taliban and the ISID. However, the Pakistani Army was making life miserable for the local population by raining them with long range artillery etc. and so they complained to their warlord Maulvi Nazir. In circa 2006, Maulvi Nazir (a Waziri from South Waziristan) colluded with the Pakistani Army and unleashed a war on the Uzbeks. Many Uzbeks were killed. Musharraf boasted that the PA helped with logistics etc. in Maulvi Nazir's operation. This angered the Uzbeks even more and the Taliban began to view PA as an enemy. Thus Maulvi Nazir, who was also protecting Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Sirajuddin Haqqani in South Waziristan, became 'good Taliban' and the others 'bad Taliban'.

In February 2008, Pakistan entered into a secret peace deal with Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan. However, towards end-June, 2008, the Taliban mercilessly killed 23 jirga leaders who were monitoring the implementation of the peace deal on the ground, in Jandola in South Waziristan right at the Frontier Corps HQ. The Taliban justified their killing by claiming they were ‘pro-Government’, a message of dire warning to other peace monitors. These ‘peace-monitors’ were generally those tribes that the Government was able to bribe them on their side. Obviously, the Taliban did not want these tribesmen to control their movement across the borders into Afghanistan, one of the sticky points in the ‘peace deal’. Thus the cornerstone of the argument by the Pakistani government that the peace deal this time would work better because it included a monitoring component lay shattered. Thus, the Taliban continued with their policy of mass elimination of jirga that were opposed to them, the first of which was seen in early March 2008 at Darra Adam Khel when a suicide bomber killed over 40 jirga leaders who were discussing the formation of a lashkar to protect the Indus Highway. The Highway remains closed ever since (the important Kohat Friendship Tunnel is situated on the Indus Highway in the stretch between Badaber and Samar Payam, after Darra Adam Khel and before Kohat Town itself). Later the Taliban struck at Orakzai in Oct. 2008 when they eliminated over 100 jirga leaders and in early November they attacked the jirga of the Salarzai tribe in Bajaur killing 22 jirga elders. After the massive Orakzai attack, this area came under Taliban rule which finally prompted the US to mount a drone attack on Hakimullah Mehsud’s compound in this area on April 1, 2009. Thus the Taliban strategy of eliminating important opinion makers, maliks and jirga leaders has been going unchecked since circa 2004 when similar tactics were employed to kill 200 jirga elders and take over Waziristan, with Pakistani Army and the government not doing anything to help the jirga-less population

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 19 Oct 2009 08:12

These two things constantly bug the pakistanis, and no news piece is complete without them it seems:
1. Pakistan was created as a seperate homeland for the muslims of the subcontinent. Never mind that there are more muslims in India today or that Bangladesh fought them to earn its liberation.
2. The creation of Bangladesh. And the evil designs of the hindus in India. They go all out to find some explanation, some fig leaf, other than the painful truth that their greed and the pakjabi culture caused all of this.

In a few years, if that nation survives in any form, we will be treated to how the evil YYY axis lead to disaster in their country. Never mind that they themselves were responsible for the islamism and jihadism to rise to such extreme levels as to lead to a dismemberment.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 19 Oct 2009 08:17

SwamyG wrote:Here is something for you to get started:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 880055.ece
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1018/p02s07-usmi.html {discusses the 3 different networks from an American perspective}

Also, read "The Al Qaeda Connection" by Imtiaz Gul, Viking Publication. The book could have been better organized but is a good collection of info.

As for force levels of the Taliban: It was revealed in the NWFP Assembly that over 18000 foreign terrorists were present in FATA (5000 Saudis, 4500 Uzbeks, 4500 Chechens, 3000 Yemenis, 2000 Egyptians, 2800 Algerians, 400 Tunisians, 300 Iraqis, 200 Libyans & 200 Jordanians) though there have been other conflicting claims on the numbers.

There are other influential warlords who owe allegiance to the Taliban and Al Qaeda espousing the same worldview but operating independently of Mehsud . These are people like Mangal Bagh Afridi of Lashkar-e-Islam in Khyber agency, Haji Namdar (killed on Aug. 13, 2008), chief of Amal Bil Maroof Nahi Anil Munkir (Prevention of Vices and Promotion of Virtues), Sadiq Noor of North Waziristan (10000 men), Maulana Qazi Mehboob-ul-Haq of Ansar-ul-Islam, Maulvi Faqir Mohammed of Bajaur (with 5000 men), Umar Khalid of Mohmand Agency (also known as Abdul Wali), Shah Khalid also of Mohmand Agency (actually an LeT commander, later killed by Baitullah Mehsud) and others like Tariq Afridi in Darra Adam Khel who professes dual allegiance to both the Taliban and Jaish-e-Mohammed. Even where such people exercise control, there can be Taliban oversight also as it happens in the important Peshawar-Khyber area where the current TTP lAmir Hakemullah Mehsud once used to operate. Besides the Peshawar-Khyber area, Hakemullah also operated in the Kurram, Orakzai (later replaced by Maulana Saeed during April 2009), Darra Adam Khel and Kohat areas.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 19 Oct 2009 08:39

X Posted.

The Islamic Republic of Iran accuses the Islamic Republic of Pakistan of involvement in the Pishin sucide bombing which killed senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards:

Page last updated at 01:13 GMT, Monday, 19 October 2009 02:13 UK

Iran accuses Pakistan over attack

Iran's president has accused Pakistani agents of involvement in a suicide bombing in south-east Iran targeting a group of elite Revolutionary Guards.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on Pakistan to apprehend the attackers, whom Iranian officials suggested had arrived from Pakistan.

At least 35 people died in the attack, in south-eastern Sistan-Baluchistan. .........................

Mr Ahmadinejad pointed towards Pakistan.

"We were informed that some security agents in Pakistan are co-operating with the main elements of this terrorist incident," he was quoted as saying by the semi-official Fars news agency.

"We regard it as our right to demand these criminals from them," he said, without elaborating.

"We ask the Pakistani government not to delay any longer in the apprehension of the main elements in this terrorist attack."

Iranian authorities summoned a senior Pakistani diplomat in Tehran, claiming that the assailants had arrived in Iran from Pakistan, Iranian state media reported.

The Iranian foreign ministry also "protested against the use of Pakistani territory by the terrorists and rebels against the Islamic Republic of Iran," the Isna news agency reported. .........................

BBC

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 19 Oct 2009 08:46

X Posted.

More on Pakistan's involvment in the Pishin sucide bombing that killed many senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

The Nation:

Attack plotted in Pakistan: Ahmadinejad

Bloomberg:

Iran Tells Pakistan to Control Terrorists After Suicide Bombing

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 19 Oct 2009 08:50

Yes SSridhar, I am aware that the traditional buzurg leadership was decimated by the Taliban, likely with the connivanc eof PA. I am not aware of such mass murder of 100 elders at one go being reported previously.

I may be incorrect and will defer to your patently professional interest.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby csharma » 19 Oct 2009 08:51

Vikram Sood on the Afpak situation.

http://soodvikram.blogspot.com/

The US is realising, perhaps a bit too late, that Pakistan never intended to be the most suitable boy, who would let his benefactors down repeatedly. In tremendous difficulties in the Punjab, the Pakistan Army is unlikely to be willing to do anything substantial for the Americans, citing dangers from its traditional enemy. It is not that the Pakistan Army fears an assault by the Indian forces but for them to move troops away from its eastern borders would mean that the threat from India is minimal and this would undercut its very own primacy. Then there is China, waiting in the wings for the Americans to get sufficiently unpopular and then move in with its deep pockets. Pakistan would be comfortable with an increasing Chinese profile in Afghanistan but not with an Indian profile.
This is where India comes in. It must stay the course in Afghanistan and concentrate on the various infrastructure projects in the country — roads, dams, bridges, communications, schools, hospitals, power stations and transmission lines. Training of the Afghan Army and police, civil servants, education in various disciplines can be handled by the Indians. This would be far more economical and relevant to local conditions and requirements.

Pakistan will respond in its own way. There will be more bombs and attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan. Sending troops to Afghanistan is not an option.


Americans could not imagine that these ingratiating Pakistanis would so deviously deceive them. Their apparent servile behavior would have put the Americans at ease.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 19 Oct 2009 08:59

anupmisra wrote:I bet the good Colonel was one of the unlucky "32,000" who chose to "withdraw" to India. Miraculously, the remaining 60,000 or so missing personnel had left a day earlier for the land of the pure.


These pakis will stretch, twist and spin the truth to no end to save their H&D.

Here is a stamp, from the guvrmand of pakistan for the good colonel to look at and contemplate.

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