Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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'Hope Pak will take steps to protect N assets'
The attack on Pakistan nuclear complex today has left India worried. Foreign secretary of India, Nirupama Rao, reacting on the attack said Pakistan should take effective steps to secure its nuclear assets.

A fresh wave of terror gripped Pakistan today when suspected Taliban bombers struck a key air force base and an upmarket restaurant and blew up a bus ferrying a marriage party, killing at least 26 people in an apparent reprisal of the army offensive on their stronghold of Waziristan.
TimesNow currently running a program 'India's worst nightmare' (i.e. Taliban acquiring Paki Nukes. Per TimesNow, options before India
- Option 1: Demand UN troops monitor Paki Nukes :rotfl: :rotfl:
- Option 2: Ask US to take a pro-active role
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TTP is striking back at the establishment. Next phase of civil war is about to start... the punjabi jehadis will form an alliance with the good taiban and the bad taliban and devour the pakistani state. this will establish the proper dar-ul-islam required for wahabbi khilafat to begin in earnest. the first strategic aim was always to fly the true green flag over egypt, saudi and pakistan... or those that had strayed from the true path by sucking up to the west. phase 2 would be the reconquest of India and Spain and phase 3 then against the crusaders.

dragon, or atleast the western marches of the middle kingdom, fall in between 2 and 3... long war indeed!
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milindc wrote:'Hope Pak will take steps to protect N assets'
TimesNow currently running a program 'India's worst nightmare' (i.e. Taliban acquiring Paki Nukes. Per TimesNow, options before India
- Option 1: Demand UN troops monitor Paki Nukes :rotfl: :rotfl:
- Option 2: Ask US to take a pro-active role
The dorks at times now are playing their part in irritating the pakistanis. For so many years a pakistani nation that is militarily helpless to do anything against india has always turned to the venerable international body UN for remedy for all its illnesses.
And now a a news channel from hindu India is recommending the UN to take care of pakistan's pride and joy!
Too much I say. :D
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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SSridhar wrote:So, today we have the following:
  • Restaurant Blast in Hyatabad, Peshawar
  • 18 killed in Mohmand blast
  • 8 killed in Kamra Aeronautical Complex blast
And the day is not old still.

Sharaaratis ("Miscreants" who want to impost shararat) had a good day today.
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How long before some dharmic soul bursting with pity for 'em boor lost souls becoming soosai bummers takes it upon himself to teach them how to blow up the pakjabi fauj from a safe distance so that the boor pushtu bummers can return to bum again another day, eh?
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The Islamic Emirate of Waziristan was established in circa 2006. FATA & NWFP have been lost since then. Army operations in Swat, Bajaur, and Malakand early this year do not alter the fact these areas have been lost altogether to the Taliban. The war moved to mainland Pakistan after that. Let's be clear. Even today, Peshawar is not completely under the control of the government. Taliban do not want to occupy it now for tactical reasons but when the time comes, occupation of Peshawar will be a cakewalk. The huge Badabar base is nearby and has been attacked previously, Kamra now, Wah earlier, GHQ last week. The Taliban are also strong in Karachi and in any case, they can cause a huge inferno in that city even if they do not take it over. Lahore has been at the mercy of the Taliban for a couple of years now. In both Islamabad & Rawalpindi, people do not feel safe any longer and attacks are mounted at will. The war therefore is now entering a decisive phase.
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Prem wrote:Sincerley hope they fight it in traditional Islamist way and live up to their ideal till the last mananimal standing . Let Peshawar roll into Lawhore and prove its dominance once more over Pakjab.
The Pakistani Punjabis will not be able to stand the onslaught of Pathans from Peshawar. The Pakistani Punjabis have for long oppressed the Pathans and the Balochs. It is high time Pathans and Baloch take revenge of all their grievances.
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Anujan wrote:
SSridhar wrote:So, today we have the following:
  • Restaurant Blast in Hyatabad, Peshawar
  • 18 killed in Mohmand blast
  • 8 killed in Kamra Aeronautical Complex blast
And the day is not old still.

Sharaaratis ("Miscreants" who want to impost shararat) had a good day today.
Nanhi IEDs Mubbarak Ji, its indeed a good morning and the Bismillah of Khatam_e Pakubbat.
Nanha sa Mujahid hoon, IED ka Mahir Hoon
Bolo mere Saanng,Bak Kahatam, Bak Khatam
Bak Khatam Bak Khatam.
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Talking about the Southern Punjab i.e. Bahawalpur, Multan, Jhang and Sial area.

Two roads south from Lahore go as following

1. Towards Lyallpur and then onto Jhang Sial (Heer Ranjha area).
2. Towards Kasur, Okara Mandi and then south to Multan and Then Bahawalpur.

This area of Bahawalpur, Multan and Jhang has always been a hotbed of Sunni Muslims.

Back in 1750s.. A Brahmin from Multan came to Akal Takht sahib asking his abducted wife (by the Nawab) to be restored to him., Sikhs under Bhangi Misl.. defeated the Nawab and safely got her back.

Then later.. due to many issues.. in 1810s Ranjit Singh defeated the Nawab of Multan and got this area into his territory., along with Bahawalpur. He had plans to invade Sindh but due to the treaty with British he invaded West towards Afghanistan.

then in 1947 partition riots.. the Bahawalpur Nawab committed many atrocities. hundreds of thousands non-muslims were butchered before August 1947. Then after August, 1947 on many occasions the trains full of non-muslims travelling towards India was stopped by the Baluch regiment and all people murdered in cold blood.

This whole area has always been "BAD" and they only understand one language that was taught by Ranjit Singh.

" Early in 1817, Ranjit singh sent a body of troops to Multan under the command of Diwan Bhiwani Das to receive from Nawab Muzaffar Khan the tribute he owed to the Khalsa Darbar. Bhiwani das laid siege to the city, but showed little vigour to pressing it. He made a secret pact with the Nawab which led Ranjit Singh to recall him and deprive him of his office. Ranjit Singh planned the afresh expedition and sent a strong force under his son Kharak Singh's charge. He arranged for supplies to be sent by boats down the river Ravi, the Chenab and the Jhelum. The system of passing letters was organised in such a manner that the Maharaja received the news from Multan by relays of messengers several times a day.

The fort of Multan was one of the strongest in the country and Nawab Muzaffar Khan defended it with an equally strong heart. Kharak Singh's armies lay around it without making much headway. Ranjit Singh sent a big gun Zamzama along with Akali Phula singh's Nihang regiment. The Zamzama was fired with effect and the gates were blown in. Akali Phula singh made a sudden rush and took the garrison by surprise. The grey bearded Nawab stood in his way, sword in hand to fight, resolved to fight to death. His five sons died fighting. Two surviving sons were giving jagirs by Ranjit singh. their descendants are still in possession of those lands in Pakistan. Prince Kharak singh left Jodh Singh Kalsia with 600 men to guard the fort of Multan. Now Ranjit Singh southern boundry was Multan. "

from the book "The Heritage of the Sikhs" by Harbans Singh

Later, 10 years after the death of Ranjit Singh, Diwan Mulraj was leading the Khalsa armies in the series of second anglo-sikh wars from the fort of Multan.
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heard in a unmentionable forum: :rotfl:

Believe me, these Uzbuks are the real pain in the a@@ for local people and will be for PA as well. Infact COAS mentioned them separately in his letter to Mehsuds. They ain`t human at all. There is a famous saying in that part of the world "where anger of a Pakhtun ends, love of an Uzbek starts" General Rasheed Dostam of Northern Alliance is an Uzbak and their barbarian acts during their war with Taliban and animal acts with civilians is well known to everyone.
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What next? That the Chechens make the Uzbeks blush? :lol:
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RDX smuggled along with cement from TSP into India
Normal relationship with TSP is impossible.
Police and security agencies here have got a specific alert — from the police of a North Indian state — about RDX having been smuggled into the country as part of a cement consignment from Pakistan and the target being an oil refinery.

Officials said the high alert sounded at vital installations like railway stations and hotels in Mumbai last December was not a reaction to the 26/11 carnage but had its basis in this specific intelligence input.

Officials also told TOI that more RDX could be coming in as part of cement or other consignments. But the alert did not name any refinery that was supposed to be the target.

That explained the reaction by Delhi Police and Mumbai Police during the days following the terror attacks on Mumbai. The two closest refineries to Delhi are at Panipat and Mathura. But most of the major refineries are near the coast, including those at Vishakhapatnam, Paradip and Jamnagar.

The alert also mentioned railways as a possible “soft target''.

Several ports, especially those in Vishakhapatnam and Ennore (Tamil Nadu), were also on a high alert on Tuesday. Shipping officials met home ministry and IB officials, agencies reported.
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Interesting news that needs to be deciphered by the expert mullas and molanaas of BR. Rao's statement is a change from the regular statements.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/ ... -india.htm

Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao [ Images ] on Friday expressed the hope that Pakistan would take steps to secure its nuclear assets.

Answering a question with reference to a bomb attack near the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, which is about 75 km from Islamabad [ Images ], and reportedly houses some of the country's nuclear assets, Rao said that New Delhi [ Images ] was aware of the attack and hoped authorities in Islamabad would ensure the safeguarding of those assets.

The bomb attack claimed the lives of eight people, but officials moved quickly to deny suggestions that it was linked to the country's nuclear programme.

The bomber detonated explosives strapped to his body at a checkpoint outside the complex.

Fakhr Sultan, a district police officer, told media persons at Kamra that security was so tight that it prevented the bomber from entering or getting close enough to the vicinity.

A Pakistan Air Force official was quick to dispel suggestions on Friday that the Kamra facility was linked to the weapons programme.

The Pakistan government has already said that the country's nuclear infrastructure is safe and faced no threat from Taliban [ Images ] militants.
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Only in Pakistan. The Jamaat is not going to take the kerry-lugar bill lying down. :D
JI’s referendum on Kerry-Lugar bill begins
ISLAMABAD: The referendum organized by Jamaat-i-Islami on Kerry-Lugar bill has begun countrywide.

More than 5,000 polling stations have been set up across the country and 45 million ballots have been printed for the referendum.

JI’s secretary-general Liaquat Baloch would act as the chief referendum commissioner and provincial heads of the party as provincial commissioners. Districts, tehsils and union councils-level office-bearers of the party will supervise the voting process. JI Amir Syed Munawar Hasan will cast his vote in Lahore.
It is also possible to cast a vote online. The site is here. Perhaps you have to register to cast your valuable vote. :mrgreen:
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Punjab Govt to initiate action against officials for letting Gojra violence happen
This is a very serious matter. Momin should fight this. After all, blasphemers were attacked and Pakistani Law provides for that. It is blasphemous to take action against momin who attack kufr and blasphemers.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Muppalla wrote:
A Pakistan Air Force official was quick to dispel suggestions on Friday that the Kamra facility was linked to the weapons programme.
.

That means Kamra _is_ linked with Paknukes.
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Even Pakistani textiles it would seem have suicide bomber tendencies and are prone to igniting :eek: :
Nine deaths linked to robes; recall expanded

By CHRISTINE SIMMONS (AP) – 15 hours ago

WASHINGTON — Highly flammable women's robes sold by Blair LLC are now linked to nine deaths, and the company is expanding a recall to include more products imported from the Pakistani manufacturer.

Since June, Blair LLC of Warren, Pa., has received four more reports of deaths linked to the full-length women's chenille robes, according to a Thursday announcement from the Consumer Product Safety Commission. Earlier this year, there were reports of five deaths linked to the robes. …………………

AP via Google
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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A 2 Line article hence posting in full from the "The News".
US aid to Pak too less: Abdullah
Updated at: 0510 PST, Friday, October 23, 2009
WASHINGTON: Pakistan Ambassador to United Nation (UN), Abdullah Husain Haroon said that US aid being given to Pakistan is too less.

Talking to a US TV program Thursday, Haroon said not only the US aid to Pakistan is too less, but tough conditions have also been imposed to receive the same.


Interesting to see on one hand the TSP senators visiting Wash DC protest about the KL aid as being insulting to TSP and then TSP's Ambassador to UN beg for more of the same aid.
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Opinion peice in "The News"
Side-effect
The bad woman - Friday, October 23, 2009 - By Harris Khalique

.... Kishwar Naheed grows on you. In 'Buri Aurat Ki Katha' (A Bad Woman's Story), she has let her wounds remain opened and unhealed. The wounds inflicted by the world around her for being born a woman in the middle of the twentieth century, a liberal woman in an orthodox religious society and a sensitive woman who decides to side with those who fight with tyranny and political oppression in the chequered political history of her country. OUP Pakistan has just recently published a translation of the book.

At times, the open wounds jar the literary expression. Persecution has to be internalised and pain has to be transcended to make art sublime. But there are occasions when an amalgam of artistic sincerity and social responsibility imposes upon you to be direct, incisive and forthcoming. This is how Kishwar Naheed comes across in her narrative of a young girl raging to be free, a mature woman struggling to be equal and a seasoned writer relating her bitter-sweet experiences of life. The book presents a slice of our social history and records what has happened to us as South Asians in general, the subjugation our women have gone through in particular, and the changes, good or bad, that have gradually taken place in our value system over the past six decades.
...
The writer is an Islamabad-based poet and rights campaigner. Email: harris@spopk. org


As per Wiki: Kishwar Naheed was born in Bulandshahr, UP in 1940. She moved with her family in 1949, after the partition to TSP at the age of 9. She has since lived her entire life in TSP. Harris Khalique, a self described TSP liberal, has written the piece above. In the entire article there is only one mention of Pakistan and that too because TSP is part of the publishers name. Mr. Harris uses the South Asians label to describe the ills of TSP's society and its pathetic treatment of women. Just goes to show that even the liberal's in TSP are dishonest critics of their own society and it's ills. What hope can any one else have for that place?
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=89810

Code: Select all

MIRPURKHAS: A farmer has successfully grown mango trees in Mirpurkhas that can bear fruit throughout the year. The mangoes can be seen hanging by these trees even in the winter season.
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Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao [ Images ] on Friday expressed the hope that Pakistan would take steps to secure its nuclear assets.

Answering a question with reference to a bomb attack near the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, which is about 75 km from Islamabad [ Images ], and reportedly houses some of the country's nuclear assets, Rao said that New Delhi [ Images ] was aware of the attack and hoped authorities in Islamabad would ensure the safeguarding of those assets.
Why should India feel the need of the uniformed Jihadis having control of the Nukes?

If the uniformed Jihadis have control, it means OIndia is the only target. If the miscreants get hold of it, atleast US/Us forces in Iraq/A'tan also get into the crosshairs.
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sum jee,
Why should India feel the need of the uniformed Jihadis having control of the Nukes?

If the uniformed Jihadis have control, it means OIndia is the only target. If the miscreants get hold of it, atleast US/Us forces in Iraq/A'tan also get into the crosshairs.
IMO, this i Dilli's diplomatic way of showing tsp the finger and the 'int'l community' the danger they (and not so much dilli) now face now that their favored uniformed beards are again aflame with heavy skiing practice right in october.
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Posting in full from "The News". This article has lots of details about the attack on TSP GHQ on Oct 10. Last line of the article is very interesting.
Inside the mind of a coward terrorist
Friday, October 23, 2009 - By Mazhar Tufail

ISLAMABAD: The terrorists who tried to enter the General Headquarters (GHQ) on October 10, wanted to shoot or hold hostage Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, an investigator told The News here on Thursday.

“Aqeel Ali alias Dr Usman, who led a team of terrorists to reach the GHQ and was later captured in injured condition, is an extremely coward person and has revealed a lot about the terrorist network,” said the investigator, requesting anonymity. “He (Dr Usman) was the man who shot Brigadier Anwar and Lt-Col Wasim dead when they questioned his real intentions,” he revealed.

The investigator revealed Aqeel used to wear a suicide jacket but did not blow himself up and only instigated his accomplices to do so. He said when terrorists were holding the Army personnel hostage, Aqeel, who was in the Army kit, tried to pose as a dispenser and before the commando action even bandaged injured Army soldiers. He even told the same to the commandos.

“When commandos left the room, he hid behind a cupboard because he had already thrown his suicide vest away. When another bomber tried to pull the trigger, his jacket did not explode fully because a volley of bullets fired by a commando pierced his skull when he was pulling the trigger,” the investigator revealed.

The investigator said Aqeel had been accompanying terrorists in various incidents but used to escape from the scene. He quoted Army officers, who got freed through the commando action, as saying Aqeel first tried to slip away but when the men who had been held hostage by him recognised him, he was caught. He said the terrorists used Google Earth to locate their target and also got help from insiders.

“However, they miscalculated security arrangements and got killed while one of them (Aqeel) was captured alive,” he revealed. “Aqeel was also among those who had fired at the plane of former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf when it took off from Chaklala airport,” he disclosed.

The investigator said the terrorists had adopted the strategy of holding people hostage to get their demands met but after their attacks, including the one at the GHQ and three in Lahore, were foiled, they had now changed their modus operandi and were now resorting to target killing. In this regard, he cited the example of killing of a brigadier and Havildar in Sector G-11 of Islamabad on Thursday.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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shiv wrote:
Muppalla wrote:
A Pakistan Air Force official was quick to dispel suggestions on Friday that the Kamra facility was linked to the weapons programme.
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That means Kamra _is_ linked with Paknukes.
air delivery would have been the first thing, therefore PAF. close to isloo and kahuta... hence QED for any PAF facility in that locality
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The investigator said the terrorists had adopted the strategy of holding people hostage to get their demands met but after their attacks, including the one at the GHQ and three in Lahore, were foiled, they had now changed their modus operandi and were now resorting to target killing. In this regard, he cited the example of killing of a brigadier and Havildar in Sector G-11 of Islamabad on Thursday.
Im sure the TSPA uniform just got browner...

True Karma for the same folks who had hoped that the SDRE would cower in a similar way and hand over J&K to them.
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It was insanely hilarious Paki Deputy Speaker of National Assembly Faisal Karim Kundi was intervened on BBC for maybe 4 minutes and he started all his responses with “The thing is……….”. He must have said it for 200 times at least. He also proclaimed Paki army to be best in the world.
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BajKhedawal wrote:It was insanely hilarious Paki Deputy Speaker of National Assembly Faisal Karim Kundi was intervened on BBC for maybe 4 minutes and he started all his responses with “The thing is……….”. He must have said it for 200 times at least. He also proclaimed Paki army to be best in the world.


..........best in the world at what? :-?
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SSridhar wrote:RDX smuggled along with cement from TSP into India
Normal relationship with TSP is impossible.
Police and security agencies here have got a specific alert — from the police of a North Indian state — about RDX having been smuggled into the country as part of a cement consignment from Pakistan and the target being an oil refinery.

Officials said the high alert sounded at vital installations like railway stations and hotels in Mumbai last December was not a reaction to the 26/11 carnage but had its basis in this specific intelligence input.

Officials also told TOI that more RDX could be coming in as part of cement or other consignments. But the alert did not name any refinery that was supposed to be the target.

That explained the reaction by Delhi Police and Mumbai Police during the days following the terror attacks on Mumbai. The two closest refineries to Delhi are at Panipat and Mathura. But most of the major refineries are near the coast, including those at Vishakhapatnam, Paradip and Jamnagar.

The alert also mentioned railways as a possible “soft target''.

Several ports, especially those in Vishakhapatnam and Ennore (Tamil Nadu), were also on a high alert on Tuesday. Shipping officials met home ministry and IB officials, agencies reported.


There has been a long circulating rumor that a particular Indian business group has paid off many dictators and such like
not to target their facilities in case of neighborly hostilities.


These payments reportedly run into many, many, many tens of millions of $$$$$.
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chetak wrote:
BajKhedawal wrote:It was insanely hilarious Paki Deputy Speaker of National Assembly Faisal Karim Kundi was intervened on BBC for maybe 4 minutes and he started all his responses with “The thing is……….”. He must have said it for 200 times at least. He also proclaimed Paki army to be best in the world.


..........best in the world at what? :-?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Philip, SSridhar et al, For sake of data collection please x-post the TSP Islamist slide in the Formation of Pakistan thread.

Thanks, ramana

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... &start=120
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Sorry if already posted:
US Congress imposes 'India-centric' riders on aid to Pak

FYI the 29 Nay sayers in US senate are;
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY) Bennett (R-UT) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burr (R-NC) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS) Corker (R-TN) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Enzi (R-WY) Feingold (D-WI) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA)
Inhofe (R-OK)Isakson (R-GA)Johanns (R-NE) Kyl (R-AZ) LeMieux (R-FL) McConnell (R-KY) Risch (R-ID) Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Wicker (R-MS)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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SSridhar wrote:
Johann wrote:Whomever conducted this hit was very professionally trained. That's a very tight pattern around the driver's side - no spray and pray here. May well have been ex-SSG.

Pakistan's security establishment is at war with itself, but they still want to have their cake and eat it too.
Let's remember the death last year of Maj Gen Feisal Alvi, ex Chief of SSG. He was killed by Major Haroon at the instigation of Ilyas Kashmiri. Ilyas Kashmiri himself was an ex-SSG commando. Maj. Haroon's brother was a Captain in the SSG who left it to join the Punjabi Taliban. Also recall the Tarbela SSG suicide bombing, conducted by an SSG officer.
S Sridhar,

It went much higher than that. The prime movers behind Alavi's assassination was not ex-military members in the tanzims; it was the PA itself.

Please note the similarity between Alavi and Moin-Ud-Din Ahmed's assassinations. The fact that Ahmed was a *serving general officer* at the time of his killing is an escalation in the PA's internal conflict.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 337881.ece

by Carey Schofield
The brother-in-law of VS Naipaul, the British novelist and Nobel laureate, was murdered last month after threatening to expose Pakistani army generals who had made deals with Taliban militants.

Major-General Faisal Alavi, a former head of Pakistan’s special forces, whose sister Nadira is Lady Naipaul, named two generals in a letter to the head of the army. He warned that he would “furnish all relevant proof”.

Aware that he was risking his life, he gave a copy to me and asked me to publish it if he was killed. Soon afterwards he told me that he had received no reply.

“It hasn’t worked,” he said. “They’ll shoot me.”

Four days later, he was driving through Islamabad when his car was halted by another vehicle. At least two gunmen opened fire from either side, shooting him eight times. His driver was also killed.

Alavi believed he had been forced out because he was openly critical of deals that senior generals had done with the Taliban. He disparaged them for their failure to fight the war on terror wholeheartedly and for allowing Taliban forces based in Pakistan to operate with impunity against British and other Nato troops across the border in Afghanistan.Alavi, who had dual British and Pakistani nationality, named the generals he accused.

The reports blamed militants, although the gunmen used 9mm pistols, a standard army issue, and the killings were far more clinical than a normal militant attack.

...Friends and family members were taken aback to be told by serving and retired officers alike that “this was not the militants; this was the army”. A great many people believed the general had been murdered to shut him up.
Some background on Alavi;
I first met Alavi in April 2005 at the Pakistan special forces’ mountain home at Cherat, in the North West Frontier Province, while working on a book about the Pakistani army.

He told me he had been born British in Kenya, and that his older brother had fought against the Mau Mau. His affection for Britain was touching and his patriotism striking.

In August 2005 he was visiting Hereford, the home of the SAS, keen to revive the SSG’s relationship with British special forces and deeply unhappy about the way some elements of Pakistan’s army were behaving.

He told me how one general had done an astonishing deal with Baitullah Mehsud, the 35-year-old Taliban leader, now seen by many analysts as an even greater terrorist threat than Osama Bin Laden.

Mehsud, the main suspect in the assassination of Benazir Bhutto late last year, is also believed to have been behind a plot to bomb transport networks in several European countries including Britain, which came to light earlier this year when 14 alleged conspirators were arrested in Barcelona.

Yet, according to Alavi, a senior Pakistani general came to an arrangement with Mehsud “whereby – in return for a large sum of money – Mehsud’s 3,000 armed fighters would not attack the army”.

The two senior generals named in Alavi’s letter to Kayani were in effect complicit in giving the militants free rein in return for refraining from attacks on the Pakistani army, he said. At Hereford, Alavi was brutally frank about the situation, said the commanding officer of the SAS at that time.

“Alavi was a straight-talking soldier and some pretty robust conversations took place in the mess,” he said. “He wanted kit, skills and training from the UK. But he was asked, pretty bluntly, why the Pakistani army should be given all this help if nothing came of it in terms of getting the Al-Qaeda leadership.”

Alavi’s response was typically candid, the SAS commander said: “He knew that Pakistan was not pulling its weight in the war on terror.”

It seemed to Alavi that, with the SAS on his side, he might win the battle, but he was about to lose everything. His enemies were weaving a Byzantine plot, using an affair with a divorced Pakistani woman to discredit him.

Challenged on the issue, Alavi made a remark considered disrespectful to General Pervez Musharraf, then the president. His enemies playeda recording of it to Musharraf and Alavi was instantly sacked.
What is going on is a civil war within the PA. Western governments have not trusted the Pakistani chain of command for several years now, and have been attempting to work around it, cultivating officers who they believe won't play both sides.

However, these men are now being targeted and killed, just like the tribal maliks in FATA who worked with anti-Taliban forces.

There is *severe* anxiety amongst the Zia's children in the PA and security establishment about Western penetration of the community. That is what the Dyncorps affair is about, and that is what the smear campaign against Alawi was about.

Although the odds are stacked against anyone in the PA who plays only one side (either Taliban or NATO), the pressures to chose a side are only getting worse, and it is destroying the cohesiveness of the security establishment and the PA's officer corps. These tensions will only grow deeper, and more violent.
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Sorry if posted earlier... Strong earthquake strikes Afghanistan and Pakistan
KABUL — A strong earthquake has shaken buildings in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The earthquake had a preliminary magnitude of 6.1 and was centered in the Hindu Kush region of Afghanistan. That's according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
The quake was felt in the Afghan capital, Kabul, and in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.
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Amber G. wrote:Sorry if posted earlier... Strong earthquake strikes Afghanistan and Pakistan
KABUL — A strong earthquake has shaken buildings in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The earthquake had a preliminary magnitude of 6.1 and was centered in the Hindu Kush region of Afghanistan. That's according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
The quake was felt in the Afghan capital, Kabul, and in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.
Just quote the number of dead paki's that should be enough.
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Gagan wrote:Only in Pakistan. The Jamaat is not going to take the kerry-lugar bill lying down. :D
JI’s referendum on Kerry-Lugar bill begins
ISLAMABAD: The referendum organized by Jamaat-i-Islami on Kerry-Lugar bill has begun countrywide.

More than 5,000 polling stations have been set up across the country and 45 million ballots have been printed for the referendum.

JI’s secretary-general Liaquat Baloch would act as the chief referendum commissioner and provincial heads of the party as provincial commissioners. Districts, tehsils and union councils-level office-bearers of the party will supervise the voting process. JI Amir Syed Munawar Hasan will cast his vote in Lahore.
It is also possible to cast a vote online. The site is here. Perhaps you have to register to cast your valuable vote. :mrgreen:
Some pictures of that voting are worth watching: (eg "shame on Chidam bharam")
http://www.sananews.com.pk/english/2009 ... ll-begins/
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http://www.sananews.com.pk/english/2009 ... omment-709

Pakistan FM statement on peaceful Kashmir solution lauded


SRINAGAR (SANA): Following Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi statement that Kashmir dispute be resolved through peaceful means, leader of All Parties Hurriyet Conference and Chairperson of Jammu and Kashmir Muslim Khawateen Markaz Yasmeen Raja has termed the statement as encouraging step.

In a statement issued here the other day, Yasmeen Raja said, peaceful settlement of the Kashmir dispute in accordance with Kashmiris’ aspirations is pre-requisite for cordial relations between India and Pakistan.

Meanwhile, talking to a Pakistan delegation, which is in occupied Kashmir in connection with Intra-Kashmir conference, she said that durable peace in South Asia was only possible after the settlement of the long-pending Kashmir dispute.

Yasmeen Raja also thanked the government of Pakistan for its political, diplomatic and moral support to the Kashmiris. She said that the Hurriyet Conference was not against the dialogue with India but it wanted meaningful and result-oriented talks and it was possible when India recognised Jammu and Kashmir as a disputed territory.

On the other hand, the spokesman of Mahaz-i-Azadi has said that peace couldn’t be guaranteed in South Asia without the peaceful resolution of the Kashmir dispute.

In a statement issued in Srinagar he urged India to give up its rigid stance on Kashmir and come to the negotiation table for resolving the dispute over Kashmir, adding that it was in the larger interest of Pakistan and India besides the whole region.
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Nightwatch 10/22/09
Pakistan: Update. During this Watch, Bloomberg reported a suicide bombing near the Pakistan air force factory in the northwestern city of Kamra killed seven people. This was the second attack on a military target in 24 hours.


On 22 October, gunmen riding a motorbike ambushed a military jeep in Islamabad, assassinating a deputy chief of Army operations, Brigadier Moin Haider and his driver today, according to Pakistani and international media. The precision of this assassination is unusual.


In the aftermath of the Brigadier’s murder, authorities ordered illegal immigrants from Afghanistan to leave Islamabad within 72 hours, Dawn reported, citing a statement from Interior Minister Malik. The attack occurred in Sector G11/1, an area located near an illegal Afghan settlement in Islamabad. Malik ordered door-to-door searches of five sectors of Islamabad, and checkpoints have also been set up for all roads leading into and out of Lahore, in addition to vehicle searches.


The Pakistani Taliban offensive is achieving faster and more sensational headlines than the Army offensive in South Waziristan, where progress is slow.
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BajKhedawal wrote:It was insanely hilarious Paki Deputy Speaker of National Assembly Faisal Karim Kundi was intervened on BBC for maybe 4 minutes and he started all his responses with “The thing is……….”. He must have said it for 200 times at least. He also proclaimed Paki army to be best in the world.
er... what do you expect from a dude named "karim kundi"?

(Incase you did not get it, ask the nearest South Indian, but make sure he is not drinking hot coffee. seriously, pakis wont allow us to make up jokes about them.....the plight of BENIS reporters :evil: )
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Hon. Holbrooke says the bill is pro Pakistan onlee.
..No condition on Pakistan for US aid: Holbrooke
Amid concerns by certain quarters in Pakistan over the 'strings' attached to the United States aid, Washington on Friday asserted that no condition has been imposed on Pakistan for the $ 680 Defense Authorisation Bill and charged that an attempt is on to 'willfully distort' the facts.
US Special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke said the bill requires only reporting by the executive branch - the Obama administration -- on progress toward long-term security and stability in Pakistan.

The 2010 Defense Authorisation Bill was passed by the Senate on Thursday and the House of Representatives early this month. The bill provides for a military assistance of $ 2.3 billion to Pakistan in one year, in addition to the $ 1.5 billion non-military aid per annum for the next five years as approved by the Kerry-Lugar Bill, which was signed into law by US President Barack Obama early this month.

Addressing mediapersons at the Foggy Bottom headquarters of the State Department, Holbrooke said, "There are no conditions on Pakistan. There are reporting requirements onus. And there's been a total and, I believe, willful distortion of this among some people in Pakistan."

"Well, then, let me tell you, there are no conditions in this bill. There are no conditions. I don't want to get into legalisms here, but there are requirements on us," he said in reply to a query.

"The Congress wants the secretary of defense, in the case of this bill (Defense Authorisation) and the Secretary of State, in the case of Kerry-Lugar-Berman, to report to them on certain issues before and during the process of releasing the funds," Holbrooke said.

Holbrooke even termed the bill as 'pro-Pakistan.' "So this is a pro-Pakistan bill. And I pray that your colleagues in Islamabad report it accurately so we don't have another misunderstanding,"
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