Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 02 Nov 2009 09:32

Gagan wrote:Chidambaram's 'final warning' to Pak: Stop sending terrorists
"I've been warning Pakistan every time, to not play with us again and to stop with the Mumbai game. I'm warning Pakistan for the last time. If Pakistan attempts to send terrorists into India again, India will not only foil those attempts but also give them a crushing response," said Chidambaram.

I think he has some definitive intelligence and has now come out with a warning to hopefully avoid it. The Pakis are desperate for a short stalemate battle, that will unite them and also they can declare victory.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Nov 2009 09:33

There is a very strong possibility that the US / NATO are doing what they did in Iraq. Pay some of the local fighters, even arm them so that they ceased to be a threat to the US and NATO forces, and over time were used in counter insurgency against the bad taliban.

This is standard practice in all counter insurgency ops the world over. But equipping them with H&K so that these are easily identifiable is going too far, and takes away plausible deniability.

So while it is highly possible that there are pro NATO afghan groups on their payroll, H&K in a group's hands might well indicate them being acquired as a result of looting. In fact, looted US gear was/is supposedly openly available in Peshawar. This is equipment that made it through the Taliban sieve. The most important equipment would have been retained by the talibs.

I wouldn't give too much credence to pakistan's discomfort. Often they holler about things that they are themselves responsible for, in many cases their protestations are a means of trying to obfuscate their direct involvement. Now pakistan also produces H&K machine guns, which they license produce. They have equipped their special forces and anti terror task forces with these guns. It is entirely possible that they've equipped some elite terrorists with these guns. It would seem that the pakistanis have been caught with their pants down and are raising a heat to obfuscate the issue.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Nov 2009 09:36

That story about Maldivian nationals crossing over to pakistan to acquire training was a deliberate leak from GoI I think. There is specific intel about another terror attack brewing.

Notably, the entire Pakistan Navy is deployed at sea for a 6 week exercise, perhaps an attempt to wend off being boxed in inside karachi port in the event of some hostilities.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2009 09:36

Gagan wrote:The given reason why the pak fauj is going into action in South Waziristan is that there are Indian trained terrorists there, or so the people of pakistan have been made to believe. I wonder when the shit hits the fan and very reluctantly the pak fauj has to go into South Punjab, what their given reason will be.

Pakistan presents four faces, one which only a small coterie of COAS, Corps Commanders and the ISI Chief is privy to {what I call The Core}, another to its own people in order to muster support for the policies of 'The Core', a third to India to deceive it and the fourth to the rest of the world to get funds and arms and to deceive them too. In the on-going operations in FATA (earlier in Bajaur and now in South Waziristan) and other settled areas of NWFP (like Swat or Malakand), 'The Core' wants to eliminate those who have gone out-of-its-control, while the message given in support of this to its people is that India and the US are creating mischief there and are out to seize Pakistan's nuclear weapons and deprive the Islamic world of its most potent weapon, to India it says that Pakistan is taking decisive action against terrorists and India should therefore return to the Composite Peace Dialogue, while to the rest of the world it says that the Pakistani masses do not support terrorists and do not subscribe to the Taliban-style Islam and there is consensus among all sections of Pakistani society for the on-going operation and it has suffered far more than the compensation received and so there should be more generous alms and arms.

But, 'the Core' can and will never strike the Punjab. IMO, we should not anymore think of Taliban/Jihadi penetration only into South & Central Punjab. The Northern Punjab, especially the Potohar Plateau which is the traditional recruitment ground for the PA is equally under their influence. How can the Army strike itself ? How can 'The Core' strike at the very root of what sustains them and what is their Sword Arm ?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Nov 2009 09:45

I recall the words of Sri Parthasarathy here.
The pakistan army and the punjab terror boys are brothers literally. Here in a family, one brother goes into the army and the other joins the LET / JUD.
However, the JUD has a pan islamic agenda and is buoyed by the fact that amongst all the terror groups emnating from pakistan, it has the love and affection of the Pak Fauj Core. They are the blue eyed boys in pakistan.

It won't take long before they overstep their reach and outlive that love and affection. Then I guess their leadership will simply meet their 72 and new leader ship will emerge.

Sridhar saar,
Regarding 2611, do you see the 2nd rung leadership of JUD, those lower than Hafiz Sayeed and those implicated in 2611 and under trail, will be given up by the pakistani state? Is it possible that if the right pressure is mounted on pakistan, these people might be sacrificed by the pakis?

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 02 Nov 2009 10:03

Will the glitter of a Nobel outshine common sense on Pak?

Winning the right to hang that little gold trinket around one's neck seems to convince politicians that they can overturn the logic of history with a personal touch.

In the specific context of India it has led almost every prime minister to believe that peace with our beloved western neighbour is simply a matter of time -- after which an applauding world shall hang the Nobel Prize around his (or her) neck.

Jawaharlal Nehru [ Images ], in the first of many follies, prevented the Indian Army [ Images ] from cleaning up the invasion of Kashmir, tossing the problem to the United Nations at Lord Mountbatten's suggestion. At Tashkent in 1966 and at Simla in 1972 Indian prime ministers refused to press home the advantage that their soldiers had won. Morarji Desai spurned an Israeli feeler to destroy Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme, and Atal Bihari Vajpayee [ Images ] took the bus to Lahore [ Images ]. Is it Dr Manmohan Singh's turn to add his name to the list?

In July, the prime minister met his Pakistani counterpart, Yousuf Raza Gilani [ Images ], at Sharm-el-Shaikh in Egypt [ Images ]. The result was a curious joint statement that hinted at Indian involvement in Baluchistan yet said not a word about the Lashkar-e-Tayiba [ Images ] and its ilk acting against us.

The then foreign secretary, Shiv Shankar Menon [ Images ], admitted that the joint statement was 'poorly drafted'. This is bureaucratic code for 'I had nothing to do with it so don't blame me!' Three months later, speculation is still rife in Delhi [ Images ] about who exactly provided the wording for the document. (Rumours abound about a call from Washington.)

All I expect of any government in Delhi is to maintain a watch on the borders. I do not expect peace with Pakistan, much less 'generosity' by India. Will the glitter of a Nobel gold outshine common sense?

I wonder what MMS will give away when he visits Wahsington -- both on nuclear issues and on Pakistan -- publicly or privately.

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 02 Nov 2009 11:31

Blast in Pindi near GHQ
UPDATE: 10 feared dead in Pindi hotel blast
UPDATE: Death tally in Pindi blast mounts to 20

http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=90660
http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=90661
http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=90664

RAWALPINDI: A massive explosion has occurred near Shalimar Hotel behind Pearl Continental (PC) Hotel located on a Mall Road in Cantonment Area of Rawalpindi, on Monday morning, Geo news reported.

According to sources, loss of lives and the nature of blast have yet to be ascertained but sources have feared some causalities in blast.

According to preliminary information, a loud explosion, could be audible up to far and wide places, occurred at 10:40 am to target law enforcement agencies’ officials meanwhile, security officials have cordoned off the entire area.

It may be mentioned, the GHQ is located 500 yards away from blast site while witnesses reported to have shifted some injured people to hospital for medical treatment.

UPDATE:
According to police sources, the blast was planted in a vehicle; meanwhile, emergency has been declared in all hospitals as some wounded people were said to be critical in condition including an army major.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 02 Nov 2009 11:32

AoA

RAWALPINDI: A massive explosion has occurred near Shalimar Hotel behind Pearl Continental (PC) Hotel located on a Mall Road in Cantonment Area of Rawalpindi, on Monday morning, Geo news reported.

According to sources, loss of lives and the nature of blast have yet to be ascertained but sources have feared some causalities in blast.

According to preliminary information, a loud explosion, could be audible up to far and wide places, occurred at 10:40 am to target law enforcement agencies’ officials meanwhile, security officials have cordoned off the entire area.

It may be mentioned, the GHQ is located 500 yards away from blast site while witnesses reported to have shifted some injured people to hospital for medical treatment.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=90660

Aah you just bet me to the news..

hk_sharma · Post by **hk_sharma** » 02 Nov 2009 11:34

AoA

Police: Blast near Pakistan army headquarters
The Associated Press
Monday, November 2, 2009; 1:00 AM

ISLAMABAD -- Police say an explosion has occurred near the army's headquarters in Pakistan's Rawalpindi city.

There was no immediate word on casualties in the explosion Monday. Rawalpindi is just a few miles (kilometers) away from the capital, Islamabad.

Police official Abdul Qayum says the blast occurred at the Shalimar Intersection.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... eheadlines

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Nov 2009 11:34

The toll is going to rise quickly. The blast was in a bank. Apparently abduls had queued up to collect salaries in the bank.

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 02 Nov 2009 11:35

harbans wrote: Aah you just bet me to the news..

Sorry sir, could not resist sharing the sad

news!

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Nov 2009 11:37

A new week, a new demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan!

Any indication if this is an IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan? It has been some time since the last IED Mubarak.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 02 Nov 2009 11:41

“I want free borders like the US and Canada, where there is no need of an army,” Beg quoted Singh as telling the delegation. Earlier, speakers including PDP patron Mufti Muhammad Sayeed, President Mehbooba Mufti and jurist AG Noorani, asked for an immediate resolution of the Kashmir issue, calling it the “greatest threat to peace in South Asia”.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg7_32

Does MMS and his advisory team understand the term cultural contiguity? They really are assuming we have the same culture. No Mr Singh, this naivette will cause the loss of life and limb for many Indians in the future. First get Paki's to get to think like us. That will not happen as long as Pakistan is in it's present format and geography.

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 02 Nov 2009 11:50

This Paki had a tubelight moment

The Taliban/jihadist outfits are busy raising the bar in excessive barbarity on a daily basis and it has come to pass that the risk of death by indiscriminate violence, in 2009, of a Muslim in Kashmir is less than that of a Muslim in Peshawar, Lahore or Rawalpindi. Even on the assorted mullahs, leading the cohorts of modern day barbarians, and their many vocal media supporters, this grotesque irony cannot be lost. In the latest episode of a reality horror show, over 100 innocents were slaughtered in one single incident in Peshawar on Oct 28.......

http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=206297

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 02 Nov 2009 11:56

arun wrote:A new week, a new demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan!

Any indication if this is an IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan? It has been some time since the last IED Mubarak.

I think they the talibs were taking the week end off. I think they also follow 5 day work in a week. Pakis should go out of their country for 5 days and come back on sat and sunday to clean up

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Nov 2009 12:11

Kiran,

On the subject of the workweek of the demonstrators of the IEDology of Pakistan, they certainly seem to take Sunday off.

I find that inexplicable as Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. On the other hand the demonstrators of the IEDology of Pakistan are pretty active on Friday, the day of the Muslim Sabbath. Strange indeed are the workings of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan

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arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Nov 2009 12:20

Anujan wrote:The toll is going to rise quickly. The blast was in a bank. Apparently abduls had queued up to collect salaries in the bank.

CNN is reporting that the death toll in today’s demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan at Rawalpindi currently stands at 25 dead:

Dozens dead in Pakistan explosion, police say

November 2, 2009 1:45 a.m. EST

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- An explosion ripped through a commercial area of Rawalpindi Monday, killing at least 25 people.

The blast, in the Cannt area of the city, wounded more than 30 others, said Rawalpindi police Superintendent Ishtiaq Shah. ……………….

CNN

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2009 12:24

arun wrote: CNN is reporting that the death toll in today’s demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan at Rawalpindi currently stands at 25 dead:

CNN-IBN reports 29. Like Peshawar, this will also go up. the IEDology was demonstrated in the Shalimar Hotel.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Nov 2009 12:26

asprinzl wrote:Iranian leaders know that being the weaker power, they have to navigate very carefully. An armed conflict with Pakistan -however short and isolated -will unravel the already precarious hold the Mullah's have over the country. I suspect the regime will collapse.

On another note, if there are American and German origin weapons possessed by the Talibans, most likely these weapons looted from the hundreds of American supply trucks that ply between Karachi and Afghanistan.
Avram

Actually I wouldn't call the Iranian the weaker power, they have oil and Pakistan does not.
In the event of war they just have to hold on long enough (about 4 weeks) till Pakistan runs out of oil reserve and then Pakistan is lost.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 02 Nov 2009 12:33

arun wrote:
I find that inexplicable as Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. On the other hand the demonstrators of the IEDology of Pakistan are pretty active on Friday, the day of the Muslim Sabbath. Strange indeed are the workings of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan .

Well it is simple , you give offerings to your god on the day which is sacred to you and not on the day which is sacred to somebody else. So TSP being more paki then anyone else, it will do what is the best. Got it hain!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2009 12:39

Uzbek terrorists flee to North Waziristan

‘I don't believe that these guys are going to stay there and fight until dying. They will try to escape,’ said Rahimullah Yusufzai, an analyst specialising in the tribal areas.

‘They will keep fleeing — to survive.’

‘Sherwangi was a hub of foreign fighters. Uzbek terrorists gave us a very good fight,’ Major General Khalid Rabbani, commander of Pakistan's 9th Infantry Division, told reporters flown into the battle zone last week.

After several days of resistance, Uzbek and other defenders abandoned the village of Sherwangi Tor to government troops, but continue their resistance elsewhere in the area, the military said. {This is typical guerrilla warfare.}

But local residents and officials said Uzbeks were moving away from the area of fighting to find new safe havens in North Waziristan with their families.

Mahmood Shah, who until 2006 was security chief for Pakistan's tribal belt, called the Uzbeks cannon fodder for Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

‘They are tough soldiers,’ he said but, separated from their homeland, their lives have become ‘purposeless’ and they are fighting for no real cause.

Shah described them as ‘desperate in the sense that they have no place to go.’

Pakistan's military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas told reporters that government forces faced up to 10,000 militants, including 1,000 foreign fighters, in the South Waziristan area of operations.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 02 Nov 2009 12:40

harbans wrote:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg7_32

Does MMS and his advisory team understand the term cultural contiguity? They really are assuming we have the same culture. No Mr Singh, this naivette will cause the loss of life and limb for many Indians in the future. First get Paki's to get to think like us. That will not happen as long as Pakistan is in it's present format and geography.

Harbans, what do you mean by format and geography?
Even if the things that you suggest work out, won't that eventually transform into even more vile hatred for India.
My 10 years of following this thread, I have learnt that these peoples live and breathe everything not- India/Indian? That psyche runs deep. They will fight among themselves and slaughter their neighbours within their country.But that anti-India psyche is the one that they all identify with.
It is like the post-war Western Europe. They had their squabbles but the USSR was seen as the common enemy.

I believe there is little India can do about this. It has to live in this neighbourhood. Forever.

From 1948 to 1999 Kargil, the wars kept the country together. With those kind of large scale mischief causing grief to the army, the proxy wars were started. Somehow that does not bring about the same PR effects among the people . So for the moment they are slaughtering each other. In the future, the country could shrink but that would not change their mindset. Actually, I believe nothing and nothing can change the mindset even if the land is broken into a thousand pieces. They will not lose the hope of a grand Mohammed-like saviour uniting the clans and destroying India.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Nov 2009 12:45

Chahe koyi muje junglee kahe...kehne do ji kehta rahe...ham TSP IEDology ke tufaan mein hi gire hain hum kya karen...

IED mubarak....

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Nov 2009 12:53

sounds like a posh area:

near Shalimar Hotel behind Pearl Continental (PC) Hotel located on a Mall Road in Cantonment Area

amol.p · Post by **amol.p** » 02 Nov 2009 12:59

Muppalla wrote:Chidambaram's statement in Madurai is the strongest ever. He clearly said that Mumbai has to be the last and any new one will be retaliated. The pressure cooker in TSP is about to blow and the intel may be telling something that we don't know.

Yes seems true...we have seen un-presidented security arrangments in pune. Check post have been setup in many parts of cantonment areas. You can see gun totting army cammandos on streets of cantonment board. Also govt. hosp. have been put on alert.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 02 Nov 2009 13:02

Good way to welcome monday.As you sow, so shall you reap to all the pakis.

santoshriyer · Post by **santoshriyer** » 02 Nov 2009 13:11

Some more mullahs have been sent to their creator. One cannot help but say the talebs are also helping us by reducing the moocha- hid population in Porkistan

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 02 Nov 2009 13:18

Look what I found from last week!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2009 13:18

amdavadi wrote:Good way to welcome Monday.

A big blast on a Monday is like the batsman hitting a boundary off the very first ball of an over in a ODI. It eases his pressure and piles up the pressure on the bowler. The nervous bowler can be expected to bowl a wide or a noball or a half-volley etc. The batsman in the meanwhile can take sometime and plot the next attack. One more boundary or a sixer from the remaining five balls will be good to round the over off and maintain a good strike rate.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 02 Nov 2009 13:25

SSridhar wrote: A big blast on a Monday is like the batsman hitting a boundary off the very first ball of an over in a ODI.

Does nt the week start for the bious from Friday?

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 02 Nov 2009 13:35

Is this Jawed Naqvi guy Pakistani or Indian? He is talking of dual citizenship and talks of pettiness if it does not happen.
Who in India would like dual citizenship of Pakistan? Why should India give PIO to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. They got their own country since they do not want to be Indians.

Can petty minds create a South Asian confederation?

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ration-119

I would have thought that a scheme unveiled by the government of India in 2005 to allow people of Indian origin, popularly known as PIOs, to have dual citizenship should first and foremost apply to those who lived in the neighbourhood – in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. But the Indian cabinet in its wisdom decided to exclude Pakistanis and Bangladeshis from the purview of an otherwise sound idea. I think someone should ask India’s Supreme Court as to why the decision to exclude Bangladeshis and Pakistanis should not be considered communal, if also petty.This is not to say that every Pakistani or Bangladeshi is waiting with bated breath to be given an Indian passport. Far from it. On the contrary, a very large number of Pakistanis would probably frown at the idea of diluting their national pride by swearing allegiance to the Indian constitution, for that is what dual citizenship implies – it involves dual or multiple allegiances as the situation may require. As far as I am aware Pakistanis have a dual citizenship arrangement only with a handful of European countries. Indians will probably play on a wider canvass naturally.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2009 13:39

Stan_Savljevic wrote:Does nt the week start for the bious from Friday?

Stan, as with their identity, so with their weekends, the Pakistanis are a confused lot. Nobody knows for certain whether weekend is Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday in the Land of the Pure. I feel no work gets done anyway in Pakistan after the Al-Dhuhr prayer on a Friday until Monday morning. They are having the best of both the worlds therefore. The kufr mind of this dhoti-clad, cowering, rice (not even fish) eating Hindu therefore equates the Believer's demonstration of powerful IEDology to the first ball strike of a boundary in a ODI.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2009 13:54

csharma wrote:Is this Jawed Naqvi guy Pakistani or Indian?

He is a naturalized Pakistani

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 02 Nov 2009 14:08

sridhar guru,

What if bastman is Sehwag and goes for back to back sixer first two balls, as the over still has 5 more delivery left so anything can happen rest of the way. Pakis have no clue when the week starts & week ends, just like they cant diffrence between their mouth & A@@

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 02 Nov 2009 14:12

Rawalpindi blast death toll rises to 34

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2009 14:13

Amdavadi, the more the runs, the merrier the spectators. This is the only event where kufr celebrate the Pakistani Believers' victories. AoA.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 02 Nov 2009 14:15

I hope pakis score a century today, just last week in peshwar they scored 150+. They gotta show the world TFTA can score century everytime abdul visits GHQ.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2009 14:16

shravan wrote:Rawalpindi blast death toll rises to 34

Headlines Today claims that several PA personnel are killed in Pindi.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 02 Nov 2009 14:20

Anyone read this? (Possibly belongs to the shaheedised Psyche thread)
To Understand Pakistan, 1947 Is The Wrong Lens, Khurram Hussain
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262535

Author seeks to explain to Indian Elite, why Pakistan behaves that way. If we ignore the obvious whitewashing (although coated with the mandatory condemnations - he will need that as he lives and teaches in the US) there are some interesting ones.

The concerns of the state of Pakistan, the anxieties of its society, and the analytic frames of its intellectual and media elites have as their primary reference not 1947 but the traumatic vivisection of the country in 1971. Indians have naturally focused on their own vivisection, their own dismemberment; but for Pakistan, they have focused on the wrong date. This mix-up has important consequences.

The Pakistani establishment has internalised the memory of 1971. In all things, and at all times, it must account for India. Dismemberment has the requisite effect of focusing the mind on existential matters. Nothing can be taken for granted.

Although the auther seeks understanding on that basis, the realist in me interprets him as "Satisfy my need for revenge or else..."

I remember one ex Paki General explaining Pakistan's problem nonchalantly to an Indian TV anchor in the 90s - "You see, basically we want some territory..."

santoshriyer · Post by **santoshriyer** » 02 Nov 2009 14:24

SSridhar wrote:
shravan wrote:Rawalpindi blast death toll rises to 34
Headlines Today claims that several PA personnel are killed in Pindi.

Wowie!!! Need some more for the Jihad counter today