Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Airavat » 14 Oct 2009 06:41

Amber G. wrote:Now what is non-green (light blue/white) flag here?


It's the flag of the Jamaat-e-Islami.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Pranav » 14 Oct 2009 07:44

RamaY wrote:
Nihat wrote:We give TSP too much importance: Rahul Gandhi


Good statement coming from him. Good job RG!


This is a shallow statement, imho. Pakistan is the world's foremost problem.

RG tends to make such shallow statements time to time - like "my family broke up Pakistan".
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Satya_anveshi » 14 Oct 2009 07:55



IMO, this is THE key to unwind the Paki problem. If we sufficiently incentivize this section of Pak Army by giving them support and promise of an exclusive region or better yet a sovereign Islamic emirate in NWFP and FATA, Pak Army can be broken. This Islamic emirate could have a positive disposition towards us and at the same time the other remnant of Pakistan, IF it stays intact, will have learnt the lesson (yet again). This will give us peace in the medium term (if not long).

We need to let this strategy play out fully and persistently. This is so much less costly and effective in that no nukes will come into play at least in the India-Pak context.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 14 Oct 2009 08:00

End Lashkar's Impunity
A fine editorial in The Hindu

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Hari Seldon » 14 Oct 2009 08:01

Picking up the Atlanticist baton SanjayM dropped.

NY ASia Society puts up an exhibition of Pakistani Art

....that glosses over social and political realities in Pakistan.

The Atlanticist charm offensive or what? Dunno about the charm but offensive it surely is to Pakistan's many victims (drawn from practically every ethnic group in the subcontinent).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Hari Seldon » 14 Oct 2009 08:02

SSridhar wrote:End Lashkar's Impunity
A fine editorial in The Hindu


Surprising to see sense showing up even occasionally in the Chindu. Or perhaps even they figured out they have to print truth at least part of the time to keep the FUD based on half-truths going.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 14 Oct 2009 08:09

In Pakistan, a deadly resurgence
At summer's end, there were hints of optimism in the battle against Pakistan's Islamist insurgents. . . . "They have been able to regroup, and they now feel confident to take on the Pakistani state in the cities," said Hasan-Askari Rizvi, a professor and security analyst in Lahore. . . . Punjabi militant groups have long existed, but in the past they were nurtured by intelligence agencies to focus their attacks on Pakistan's archrival, India. Their alliance with the Pashtun-dominated Taliban indicates they are now "up for hire," and represent yet another foe, military analyst Shuja Nawaz said. . . . "The question is: Will the military have the capacity to take operations against them?" {More than capacity, willingness}

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 14 Oct 2009 08:44

Hari Seldon wrote:
SSridhar wrote:End Lashkar's Impunity
A fine editorial in The Hindu


Surprising to see sense showing up even occasionally in the Chindu. Or perhaps even they figured out they have to print truth at least part of the time to keep the FUD based on half-truths going.

It is the situation in Xinjiang that is driving such an editorial, IMHO. Progressively, the boundaries between Punjabi terrorists, Taliban and Al Qaeda have disappeared. All these various groups are increasingly being referred to as AQAM (Al Qaeda and Allied Movements) or neo-Taliban (as Taliban increasingly takes over the role of Al Qaeda also). It is not surprising as the leaders of the various outfits such as Qari Saifullah Akhtar, Professor Hafeez Saeed, Maulana Masood Azhar etc. have been involved in Afghan jihad or later in emergence of the Taliban. How can we then expect compartmentalization among Al Qaeda, Taliban and the Punjabi terrorists especially when they also have the same Islamist worldview ? It was the mischief of the Western governments ad their press that ensured so far that these linkages were hidden because these Punjabi terrorirts were mostly targetting India and Indian lives were of no consequence to the Westerners (heck, they are of no consequence sometimes to even Indian governments). Not willing to offend the Pakistani government, they white-washed Punjabi Pakistani atrocities on India. However, the latest missive from Ayman Al Zawahiri to increase jihadi efforts in Xinjiang have increased the nervousness of PRC. China's friends in India will therefore reflect the same nervousness. Soon, we will see demands from the Communist parties too, who otherwise keep mum in terrorism matters or 'advise' GoI on the lines peaceniks even as their mother nation puts down the Uighur Muslims (not only the jihadi Islamists there) completely ruthlessly.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby kmkraoind » 14 Oct 2009 12:25

SCENARIOS - Can things get any worse for Pakistan?

Equally, however, the militants have no prospect of dealing a knock-out blow against the Pakistani state. Even if they expand the areas under their control, or manage to assassinate key political leaders, they cannot score a military victory.

So the likely outcome is prolonged deadlock. This has already been priced in by markets, which show little reaction to individual attacks. The damage to long-term investment and Pakistan's risk profile has already been done.


One risk scenario that worries policymakers and analysts is that militants manage to penetrate one of Pakistan's nuclear weapons sites, and possibly steal some fissile material that could be used to construct a "dirty bomb" -- a conventional bomb that also spreads radioactive material over a wide area.

This would represent a serious escalation that could spread panic in Pakistan and also lead to a confrontation with the United States and its allies over how to keep nuclear material out of the hands of al Qaeda and its allies.

Security analysts say that Pakistan's nuclear facilities are extremely well defended, and the main risk is not of a militant assault but rather that sympathetic workers inside a nuclear facility manage to smuggle out some fissile material.


If fortified GHQ can be attacked, so attacking nuclear facilities is no difficult to talibs, so expect a spectacular attack next time on a nuclear facility in the near future. For pakis military is brain and talibs are heart, how can a brain shoot a heart, but heart is causing varying blood pressures so that brain can get a paralysis, its a catch-22 situation for pakis (like in telugu, mundara goyyi, venuka nuyyi). :D

Pakistani authorities may decide that renewed confrontation is a price worth paying to keep a lid on internal unrest.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 14 Oct 2009 12:47

Obama to sign Kerry-Lugar bill today, sans any change :(( :(( :lol:

Washington, Oct 14 (PTI) US President Barack Obama is today expected to sign into law the Kerry-Lugar bill for USD 7.5 billion aid to Pakistan after two powerful Congressional committees issue an "explanatory statement" addressing concerns of its opponents, mainly the Pakistan Army.

However, there would be no change in the text of the bill, which its key architects and the Obama administration insisted has nothing to impinge on Pakistan's sovereignty.

Visiting Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi met a number of key Congressional leaders and officials here to convey to them concerns of the powerful Army and opposition parties in his country over the bill.

Congressman Howard Berman, Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told reporters that the House and Senate foreign affairs committees would issue a Joint Explanatory Statement detailing the intents and contents of the bill.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prasad » 14 Oct 2009 13:27

kmkraoind wrote:If fortified GHQ can be attacked, so attacking nuclear facilities is no difficult to talibs, so expect a spectacular attack next time on a nuclear facility in the near future.


Question - However improbable as it may sound, what would anybody be able to do, if the 'taliban' raid kahuta or some new-clear depot of porkistan and get their hands on some radio-active maal? Assuming they're not nuke-nood i.e.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby kittoo » 14 Oct 2009 14:02

What is this????????

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20091014/90 ... g-arm.html

Pakistani government not probing army HQ siege

Islamabad, Oct 14 (IANS) Twenty-one years ago, a probe into a devastating blast at an ammunition depot had led to the collapse of then prime minister Muhammad Khan Junejo's government. Taking a leaf from this, the present dispensation has refrained from ordering an enquiry into the audacious attack on the Pakistani Army HQ last week, a media report said Wednesday.

'The government is said to have learnt its lessons from the fall of the Junejo government in the aftermath of the Ojhri camp tragedy in 1988, and has stopped short of ordering an inquiry into the stunning attack (on the army HQ) which virtually shook the whole nation last Saturday,' The News said.

Instead of calling an urgent meeting of the Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DCC), where three services chiefs are represented, to discuss the attack, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani took a flight to China for a six-day trip.

'One top official source claimed that the sorry fate of the Junejo government actually stopped the present rulers from ordering an inquiry into the army HQ attack to determine who was responsible for the failure of three prime intelligence agencies: the Intelligence Bureau, the Inter-Services Intelligence and the Military Intelligence,' the newspaper said.

Over 100 men, women and children were killed and many more were wounded by missiles that rained death and destruction in Islamabad and Rawalpindi after the Ojhri camp ammunition dump in the adjacent garrison town exploded April 10, 1988.

Junejo had appointed two committees - one military and the other parliamentary - to probe the disaster. This infuriated then military dictator Gen. Ziaul Haq so much that he dismissed his handpicked prime minister May 29, 1988 on the pretext that he had failed to implement Islam in the country.

Prime Minister Gilani's spokesman Imran Gardezi was not available for comment as he was in China. Presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar did not respond to the question whether President Asif Ali Zardari, the supreme commander of the armed forces, had ordered an inquiry into the army HQ attack.

'The sources said instead of ordering an inquiry, both President Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani sent messages of 'congratulations' to the top military brass. One commentator said that the opposition too did not demand any inquiry into the incident,' The News pointed out.

One other reason for the lack of a probe could be that the government is already under tremendous pressure from the military on the Kerry-Lugar bill that places severe conditions on the manner in which US aid for the war against terror is to be utilised.

'The military leadership had expressed its concerns over the bill through a press release to the media instead of using the normal channel of the ministry of defence,' the newspaper pointed out.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 14 Oct 2009 14:55

Pakistani government not probing army HQ siege

There are areas within the GHQ where the fire hose reel cannot reach. Either they have to go through those areas the old way ie, bucket and green lota or call off the probe. As usual TSPA chose the easiest route to downhill ski.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shiv » 14 Oct 2009 16:35

tsriram wrote:Question - However improbable as it may sound, what would anybody be able to do, if the 'taliban' raid kahuta or some new-clear depot of porkistan and get their hands on some radio-active maal? Assuming they're not nuke-nood i.e.


Aren't those US pvt security guys handling security at Kahuta and such places? What are they called now "X men" or something.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 14 Oct 2009 17:18

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 14 Oct 2009 17:28

Musharraf booked for Baloch leader Bugti's murder
A case has been registered against former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf for his alleged role in the 2006 murder of Baloch leader Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, a lawyer said.

Others named in the first information report (FIR) are former prime minister Shaukat Aziz, North West Frontier Province (NWFP) Governor Owais Ahmad Ghani, former interior minister Aftab Ahmad Khan Serpao and former Balochistan chief minister Jam Yousaf, advocate Sohail Raput told Geo TV.

Sohail said police would move against the NWFP governor after he relinquished charge.

However, it was unclear how the police would proceed against Musharraf as he had ignored a Balochistan High Court order to appear before it Oct 7 for a hearing in the case. The court had then ordered that a FIR be registered against the former military dictator.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby archan » 14 Oct 2009 17:46


Could this be that post SeS, the Baloch are able to play the "we will go with India" card to get the pakis to dance on their tunes? the Army would not otherwise want one of them to be tried by the puny civilians.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shiv » 14 Oct 2009 18:29



:rotfl:

Tell me another one.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby R Vaidya » 14 Oct 2009 18:37

SSridhar wrote:
End Lashkar's Impunity
A fine editorial in The Hindu

Surprising to see sense showing up even occasionally in the Chindu. Or perhaps even they figured out they have to print truth at least part of the time to keep the FUD based on half-truths going.

It is the situation in Xinjiang that is driving such an editorial, IMHO. Progressively, the boundaries between Punjabi terrorists, Taliban and Al Qaeda have disappeared. All these various groups are increasingly being referred to as AQAM (Al Qaeda and Allied Movements) or neo-Taliban (as Taliban increasingly takes over the role of Al Qaeda also). It is not surprising as the leaders of the various outfits such as Qari Saifullah Akhtar, Professor Hafeez Saeed, Maulana Masood Azhar etc. have been involved in Afghan jihad or later in emergence of the Taliban. How can we then expect compartmentalization among Al Qaeda, Taliban and the Punjabi terrorists especially when they also have the same Islamist worldview ? It was the mischief of the Western governments ad their press that ensured so far that these linkages were hidden because these Punjabi terrorirts were mostly targetting India and Indian lives were of no consequence to the Westerners (heck, they are of no consequence sometimes to even Indian governments). Not willing to offend the Pakistani government, they white-washed Punjabi Pakistani atrocities on India. However, the latest missive from Ayman Al Zawahiri to increase jihadi efforts in Xinjiang have increased the nervousness of PRC. China's friends in India will therefore reflect the same nervousness. Soon, we will see demands from the Communist parties too, who otherwise keep mum in terrorism matters or 'advise' GoI on the lines peaceniks even as their mother nation puts down the Uighur Muslims (not only the jihadi Islamists there) completely ruthlessly.


It is like the second world war turned into "peoples war" from an "imperialist war" once Russia was attacked-- When China is going to be hit big and they deal ruthlessly with radical Islam-- then our domestic red crowd will turn turtle to deal sternly with "Islamic imperialism"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shyamd » 14 Oct 2009 18:53

IOL this week says that the ISI will no longer be the only paki intelligence agency working on counter terrorism. ISI had a monopoly on the War on Terrorism. This will no longer be the case.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 14 Oct 2009 18:58

shyamd wrote:IOL this week says that the ISI will no longer be the only paki intelligence agency working on counter terrorism. ISI had a monopoly on the War on Terrorism. This will no longer be the case.

What does it mean? Another intel agency from TSP or another country's intel agency inside TSP?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shyamd » 14 Oct 2009 19:15

Haven't read the article yet but my guess is probably civilian intelligence agency will get involved as well.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 14 Oct 2009 19:29

shyamd wrote:Haven't read the article yet but my guess is probably civilian intelligence agency will get involved as well.


There was a news article some days back about a national counter terrorism agency, being set up with UK-stan's help.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 14 Oct 2009 20:54

When the K-L bill was touted I worried that TSPA will stage some more Mumbai type terrorist attacks on India inorder to avoid confronting the jihadis inside TSP because if such a encounter occurs the moderate TSPA fundoos will cross over to the jihadi side.

I think most likely the TSPA staged this attack on the GHQ using their irregular section, to avoid the offensive against the jihadis. It looks like an insider job. The goal is to impress the US as to how fragile the TSPA setup is that they cant be forced to act against the jihadis in order to avoid fracturing itself.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby kmkraoind » 14 Oct 2009 21:23

ramana wrote:When the K-L bill was touted I worried that TSPA will stage some more Mumbai type terrorist attacks on India inorder to avoid confronting the jihadis inside TSP because if such a encounter occurs the moderate TSPA fundoos will cross over to the jihadi side.

I think most likely the TSPA staged this attack on the GHQ using their irregular section, to avoid the offensive against the jihadis. It looks like an insider job. The goal is to impress the US as to how fragile the TSPA setup is that they cant be forced to act against the jihadis in order to avoid fracturing itself.


Consider this scenario. Since K-L bill cuts funding for army, so it has staged a drama so that for effective counter-terrorism the army needs fund, without funds and it is incapacitated to fight AQ. Once GHQ has been cleared, TSPA has launched aerial strikes on Waziristan. Why TSPA used fighter jets, which can be easily accomplished by ground troops itself. Its a drama so that K-L bill can be diluted, so that TSPA can divert funds to acquire arms that can be used against India

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Rangudu » 14 Oct 2009 21:26

ramana wrote:I think most likely the TSPA staged this attack on the GHQ using their irregular section, to avoid the offensive against the jihadis. It looks like an insider job. The goal is to impress the US as to how fragile the TSPA setup is that they cant be forced to act against the jihadis in order to avoid fracturing itself.


Yup, I posted this yesterday itself.

The Aqeel/Usman pig is a HuJI mastermind, who is a disciple of none other than Qari Saifullah Akhtar - ISI operative.

This Aqeel fellow was arrested and supposedly in jail for the Marriott blast last year in Isloo.

Then he was let go by his TSPA mentors.

They "picked up" Aqeel/Usman again in June this year after the Sri Lankan team attack.

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=216076

Wednesday, June 17, 2009

LAHORE: CCPO Lahore Pervez Rathor Wednesday claimed arresting one of seven men accused of plotting the deadly attack Sri Lankan cricket team at Liberty Chowk in Lahore in March.

The CCPO said the arrested man, identified as Aqeel alias Dr. Usman, is an ex-sepoy of Army Medical Store and that he is associated with a banned organization


So it seems like the Marriott blast, Sri Lankan team attack and this one were all ISI/TSPA set up jobs.

It makes sense because the Marriott thing would have killed Zardari had he not taken a detour that day. The Sri Lankan attack would have been a way to raise tensions with India, but it failed. Now the GHQ thing gives TSPA an excuse to protect their assets for a while.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 14 Oct 2009 22:50

Surinder in the Afghan thread best described the TSP.

"TSP is America's Talibum!"


Cant let go or cure them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 14 Oct 2009 23:10

ramana wrote:I think most likely the TSPA staged this attack on the GHQ using their irregular section, to avoid the offensive against the jihadis. It looks like an insider job. The goal is to impress the US as to how fragile the TSPA setup is that they cant be forced to act against the jihadis in order to avoid fracturing itself.


ramana-ji

It is an insider ops alright, even nightwatch makes this comment:

Rawalpindi is a military garrison town. Any attack that comes close to the residence of a general officer, not to mention Army Headquarters itself, requires complicity and active cooperation by garrison guards from the Army itself. Army Headquarters is not easy to breach. A succession of guards and higher NCOs had to cooperate in this attack, willing to risk the lives of fellow guards. The enormity of the security breach is difficult to overstate....The clean up and investigation of the weekend attack in Rawalpindi will justify postponing a new suicidal mission into South Waziristan, if the stated force ratios are accurate.


But cant be sure if it is "staged". One thing is clear, there is going to be some churning (in the army and in politics) over the next few months.

Pakis ape the amri-khans, especially their more nefarious activities. The next logical step the Paki army is going to take is to take the punjabi jihads, convert them into a "security company" (along the lines of blackwater), give them money and hire them as contractors to be the first line of defense. Legitimizing them, regulating them, funding them with plausible deniability.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 14 Oct 2009 23:15

looks like things are not going well for this Aqueel / Usman character. He being arrested thrice for three attacks. This is what the end of the road is like for these terror superpigs. Perhaps he is going to be given a martyrdom operation as a final service to the pak fauj. :rotfl:

The other terror superpig is that Omar Saeed Sheikh, who is apparantly cooling his heels in Karachi while at the same time getting retired renegade pak fauj Generals assassinated. For all we know he's probably having biriyani and zam zam cola with his handler Brigadier Aijaz Shah in Pindi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Sridhar » 14 Oct 2009 23:25

Interesting news about the TSP Govt's decision not to probe the GHQ attack and Gilani's visit to China. It appears that visits to China typically precede major events in the country. It will be worthwhile keeping an eye on the Chor (Corps) Commanders of the TSPA. It will provide clues about future events.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 14 Oct 2009 23:33

Pakistan Checklist 101:
1. Green light from massa.
2. Someone has to go to beijing to inform.
3. RAW informs Indian PM who has to call up pindi to congratulate beforehand.
4. Only then does the deed gets done.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Rangudu » 14 Oct 2009 23:34

I had a depressing thought last night.

I don't think the recent verbal escalation by China over Arunachal and TSP's actions are to be seen independently.

Note that Chinese escalation has been headed up dramatically. We know about the troop movements and increased incursions. We then saw "unofficial" Chinese media and think-tanks raise the pitch and talk of war. Now we have even the official Chinese foreign ministry spokespeople raising the temperature.

What if China is planning a move on Arunachal after Obama's visit there?

What if we have a series of Mumbai like attacks at the same time, but with such levels of casualties that would force India to strike?

Can we handle this? This would be hard even if a Prithviraj Chauhan was our ruler, so it is mind boggling to wonder the impact when a Jaichand is on the throne :eek:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anindya » 14 Oct 2009 23:49

What if China is planning a move on Arunachal after Obama's visit there?

What if we have a series of Mumbai like attacks at the same time, but with such levels of casualties that would force India to strike?


Also see this in the context of the serious counter offensive preparation that is being planned by the Naxals... (latest post on the red menace thread)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 14 Oct 2009 23:51

I would do nothing that deviates from the real goals. All these are pinpricks. BTW, even Brajesh Mishra had the same nightmare and told BBC Hindi service.

If PRC attacks in Arunachal Pradesh along with terrorist strikes then its time to convert the capability into a reality. And that impacts uncle more than anyone else. So not likely to happen.

If either TSP or PRC alone carries out attacks then they can be handled by the Armed forces with out going nuclear.


If they combine together then its scenario one. So its in uncle's interests to stop that. All this offcourse assumes that the press conf wasn't to hodwink Indians.

Need to figure out how to make the butterfly emerge from the caterpillar.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby putnanja » 15 Oct 2009 01:09

Who were the brigadiers and colonels killed in the TSPA garrison attack? Were any of the "undesirable elements" with the TSPA eliminated this way by ISI? The terrorists were in there with so many hostages and killed only a handful of officers. And even when the army started "operations" to rescue the hostages, why weren't any other hostages killed in retaliation?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Lalmohan » 15 Oct 2009 01:39

RaviBg wrote:Who were the brigadiers and colonels killed in the TSPA garrison attack? Were any of the "undesirable elements" with the TSPA eliminated this way by ISI? The terrorists were in there with so many hostages and killed only a handful of officers. And even when the army started "operations" to rescue the hostages, why weren't any other hostages killed in retaliation?


compare and contrast to wholesale clearout in Dhaka a few months ago...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 15 Oct 2009 02:09

I don't know, If the ISI wants to bump off someone in pakistan, even a fauji, there are much more easy ways to do this. Take them out in broad daylight - end of story - and more importantly, the message gets reinforced - behave, fall in line, don't mess with the ISI.

The attackers were in two groups, while one created a diversion at the gates, the other made a beeline for the intel HQ and took hostages. There was one report of how the Brigadier met his 72 in a hallway. The person he was exhorting to flee, turned out to be one of the attackers, who shot him then and there.

It seems more likely, this was a pre-emptive strike by some of the waziristan junta who fear targetting by the Pak fauj or was a retaliation to the pak fauj going after baitulla or some one similar.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby harbans » 15 Oct 2009 03:19

So it seems like the Marriott blast, Sri Lankan team attack and this one were all ISI/TSPA set up jobs.

It makes sense because the Marriott thing would have killed Zardari had he not taken a detour that day. The Sri Lankan attack would have been a way to raise tensions with India, but it failed. Now the GHQ thing gives TSPA an excuse to protect their assets for a while.


Excellent find. In addtion Dr Usman seems to be the sole survivor in this episode. I enquired after the GHQ attacks what sort of investigation the Pakis are going to do after this. The answers clear. No investigation.

But are the Paki's taking these self inflicted wounds just for the sake of == or spiting India, or taking advantage of geopolitical left liberals confusion regarding prevailing politics in the region.

The recent Atimes article claimed Indian soldiers killed 14 members of a family and beheaded 3 girls and threw their heads because of which Ilyas Kashmiri retaliated. Is there a perception that the Paki psyche plays to? I see little strategic win advantage for Pakis in this. Except maybe to temporarily spite India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Kati » 15 Oct 2009 03:29

Reason for Gilani's trip to China

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Traitor Zardari Conspiring To Dismiss Pakistan Army Chief
From: PAK-ARMY FORUM <pakarmyforum@gmail.com>
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INFORMATION PRESS - News Views Media - www.InformPress.com - USA

Traitor Zardari Conspiring To Dismiss Pakistan Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani:

Zardari Looking To Replace Kayani?
- http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.c ... ace-kayani
- http://www.daily.pk/zardari-looking-to- ... yani-12111

Aides Ask Zardari to Get Rid of Kayani

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, 12 October 2009 (The Asian Age) - Pakistan
[corrupt, traitorous and illegal] president Asif Ali Zardari has been
advised by his 'Kitchen Cabinet' [of crooks and criminals] to remove
[Pakistan] Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani from the powerful
military's command before it is too late.

"This option has been in the mind of the [PPP] president [Asif Ali
Zardari]. He has been advised to remove the Army Chief [General Ashfaq
Parvez Kayani] and others who may create obstacles for him in the
future", a close aide of the [PPP] president told this newspaper. He
added: "The [PPP] president certainly doesn't want to rush things. He
wants to take time and strike his enemies one by one."

The [unlawful] president [Asif Ali Zardari] had to compromise against
his will to the conditions of the Army Chief [Ashfaq Parvez Kayani] on
Saturday when he accepted his demands of checking the
"insulting" [Anti-Pakistan, Anti-Army, Anti-ISI] clauses in the
[malicious, defamatory] Kerry-Lugar aid [bribes] bill proposed by the
U.S. [war criminals]. While Zardari had been a strong advocate of the
[imperialistic Kerry-Lugar-Berman] Bill, the Army Chief together with
other senior Generals had rejected it saying it contains insulting
clauses and it is against the country's sovereignty.

Also on Sunday, [PPP] Interior Minister Rehman Malik [a corrupt puppet
of his American and British imperialistic masters] said India was
behind recent terror attacks in Pakistan. "India is behind the terror
attacks in Pakistan", he said referring to the militants' [10 October
2009] offensive on the [Pakistan] Army's [General] Headquarters [GHQ]
in Rawalpindi and the other day's attack on the UN World Food
Programme.

"The terrorist plots are being prepared outside of the country.
Terrorists are mercenaries and receive arms from India and
Afghanistan", he said.

INTERNET-WEB LINKS:

(1) PPP-Army Tussle Widens
- http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=202817
- http://www.daily.pk/pakistan-militarys- ... ists-11924

(2) U.S. Diplomats in Islamabad Involved in Sheltering Dutch
Terrorists
- http://www.daily.pk/again-u-s-embassy-i ... ists-11981
- http://www.daily.pk/exclusive-video-ame ... abad-11909
- http://www.daily.pk/how-pakistan-interi ... -isi-11904

(3) Xe Services (Blackwater USA) and DynCorp International Linked to
the Zardari-Gilani Mafia
http://www.daily.pk/pre-occupation-stat ... afias-9262

(4) 'Muhammad Army Threatens to Attack MQM Leaders and Sindh Assembly'
- But why should the so-called 'Muhammad Army' or 'Army of Muhammad'
publicly advertise its future attacks on MQM and the puppet Assembly
of Sind in advance?
http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=153592

(5) Following Attack on Pakistan Army GHQ, Pakistani Mercenary Tyrants
of U.S. War Criminals Threaten to Kill Many More Innocent Pakistanis,
Afghans and Muslims in Pakistan and Afghanistan


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