Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby KaranR » 02 Nov 2009 15:04


The fact of Indian involvement in Balochistan and Pakistan’s tribal areas is no longer up for debate – if indeed it ever was. Not only has the Indian prime minister Dr Manmohan Singh tacitly admitted it, but the US and Nato commander in Afghanistan has brought it into the open



No facts only accusations. Only India makes the situation worse in Afghanistan and yet the Chinese makes it better!
Balochistan never wanted to be part of Pakistan and, nobdy in the Islamic world [apart from Iran] recognized Pakistan at its birth. It seems even now they have lost respect in the Islamic world for them to lick the boots of the pork eating lying Chinese shows how desperate they are .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby durvasa » 02 Nov 2009 15:57

A zimple Multiple-choice question for Gurulog!

What suits India best:

    Good Taliban Killing Bad Taliban and vice versa
    Whisky-drinking-TSPA (WDTA) killing Good Taliban
    Good Taliban killing Jehadi TSPA
    Jehadi TSPA killing Good Taliban
    Unkil killing Bad Taliban
    Bad Taliban killing WDTA
    Average Jehadi Abdul Sympathiser (AJAS) lynching Bad Taliban
    Bad Taliban ambushing Unkil
    Unkil Hellfiring AJAS and all Talibans
    AJS hanging Paki CroreJernails (PCJ) on lampposts
    PCJ carpetbombing Good Taliban as well as AJAS
    Unkil paying WDTA to kill Bad Taliban
    Taliban paying Pious Young Suicide Bombers (PYSB) to hit Unkil and WDTA
    Good Taliban IED Mubaraks PCJ
    Good Taliban, Band Taliban, WDTA, Jehadi TSPA, PCJ, Unkil daily raping AJAS

    Options:
    1: Only the first
    2: Only the second
    3: Only the last
    4: All of the above

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby James B » 02 Nov 2009 16:06

The place where the blast happened in Pindi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby derkonig » 02 Nov 2009 16:11

^^^
Gosh, and the media made it sound like some TFTA posh place. Also, what about the report about the building facade being ripped off. Heck, even those posters are intact.
Compare this with the Mariott IED mubarak.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 02 Nov 2009 16:18

derkonig wrote:Compare this with the Mariott IED mubarak.

That was why I said it was a boundary but no sixer.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Philip » 02 Nov 2009 16:28

"The KISS of death".

Follow the US's adventurist policies and enjoy the "kiss of death".I've been saying this for decades,from BR's inception,that all nations and rulers who got entangled with the US's disastrous foreign and adventurist military policies around the globe,eventually fell victim to them or were doublecrossed by the US.The S.Vietnamese,the Shah of Iran,Bhutto,Zia,Noriega,Saddam-the list goes on and on and now the current tribe of civil and military rulers in Pak are "paying the piper".

The Pakis are now paying the piper in full measure,as the wheel of terrorism which they inflcited upon Afghanistan,India and the globe,has come round full circle to devour them.They have learnt little from history and their anti-Indian hyper-ventilating has blinded them from their catstrophic path. They are now caught between the devil,the Satanic Uncle Sam who has his hands at their throat economically and their own homegrown Taliban and ungodly mujahids,who have their hands lower down,upon Pak's "danglings" and are squeezing them with all their might! Utterly hilarious if it were not so tragic and the fact that the Pakis have about 100 nuclear weapons at risk.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ls-20.html

Bomb attack near military headquarters in Rawalpindi kills 20
At least 20 people were killed in a bombing near the military headquarters in Rawalpindi, with army and defence ministry personnel believed to be among the victims.

By Saeed Shah in Islamabad
02 Nov 2009

Rawalpindi: Pakistani policemen secure the site after a sucide bomb blast in Rawalpindi Photo: AFP
The blast at a small shopping centre may have targeted army officers drawing their salaries out from a bank branch on the ground floor of the building.

Witnesses said that the bodies of the dead and injured were lying across the car park and road in front of the shopping centre, with women and children among them.

Pools of blood and the twisted metal remains of vehicles could be seen after the bodies were removed by ambulance. Some 30 were wounded.

“It was a huge blast. Smoke is rising from the scene,” Nasir Naqvi, who runs a travel agency near the site of blast.

The site of the explosion is within a few hundred metres from the military headquarters complex and the bank may have been the nearest for soldiers to use. The Ministry of Defence is also located nearby. Given it was the first working day of the month, many people will have just had their wages and pensions paid into their account. The capital, Islamabad, is a 25 minute drive away.

Pakistan has been hit by a ferocious wave of terrorist attacks, coinciding with the launch of a military offensive in the South Waziristan region, in the tribal area along the Afghan border, the base of the country’s Taliban movement that is behind most of the bloodshed.

Separately, Pakistan announced rewards of £3m for information leading to the killing or capture of the Taliban leadership.

The United Nations announced that it was suspending development work in the terrorism-plagued North West Frontier Province and the tribal area. The U.N., which has lost 11 employees to terrorist violence, will reduce the number of international staff in the country.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby A_Gupta » 02 Nov 2009 16:36

Dawn Blog
The national outcry over the US wanting to steal our much cherished sovereignty through a crafty piece of legislation must have befuddled many in Washington as well. If the idea of one country conning another out of its sovereignty through legal jargon isn’t absurd in itself, the idea of feeling more comfortable and territorially sovereign with non-state actors squatting in our front- and backyards must be mind-boggling for people in the US State Department.

In fact, the idea of a legal document taking away Pakistan’s sovereignty should strike a Pakistani Muslim as even more preposterous. Anyone who has even pursued the constitution of Pakistan should know that it is clearly stated in the Objectives Resolution that ‘Soveriegnty belongs to Allah alone but He has delegated it to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him as a sacred trust.’ How can any bill, regardless of whether it was drafted in Washington or New Dehli, even dream of stealing something which belongs to Allah?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shaardula » 02 Nov 2009 16:46

A_Gupta wrote:Dawn Blog
The national outcry over the US wanting to steal our much cherished sovereignty through a crafty piece of legislation must have befuddled many in Washington as well. If the idea of one country conning another out of its sovereignty through legal jargon isn’t absurd in itself, the idea of feeling more comfortable and territorially sovereign with non-state actors squatting in our front- and backyards must be mind-boggling for people in the US State Department.

In fact, the idea of a legal document taking away Pakistan’s sovereignty should strike a Pakistani Muslim as even more preposterous. Anyone who has even pursued the constitution of Pakistan should know that it is clearly stated in the Objectives Resolution that ‘Soveriegnty belongs to Allah alone but He has delegated it to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him as a sacred trust.’ How can any bill, regardless of whether it was drafted in Washington or New Dehli, even dream of stealing something which belongs to Allah?


hahahahaha!!!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby santoshriyer » 02 Nov 2009 16:47

Why is Allah in the constiution? A constiution has to be made free of religion.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby rkirankr » 02 Nov 2009 17:05

santoshriyer wrote:Why is Allah in the constiution? A constiution has to be made free of religion.

Bhai we are talking of pakistan's constitution.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 02 Nov 2009 17:09

santoshriyer wrote:Why is Allah in the constiution? A constiution has to be made free of religion.

Why is Allah in the Constitution ? For that, you must read the Pakistani Constitution ( I mean the latest agreed upon in circa 1973), at least its pre-amble. It starts like this
Whereas sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to Allah Almighty alone and the authority which He has delegated to the State of Pakistan {you see, He signed a Power of Attorney to the rulers of Pakistan}, through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;

It then goes on to state
Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and the Sunnah;

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Rishi » 02 Nov 2009 17:14

rkirankr wrote:
santoshriyer wrote:Why is Allah in the constiution? A constiution has to be made free of religion.

Bhai we are talking of pakistan's constitution.


Ah, u mean the prostitution. :P

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 02 Nov 2009 18:07

Things are beginning to boil once again the Land of the Purest. I mean, politically.

Altaf advises Zardari to leave
Kayani meets Gilani
National political situation was brought under discussion in the meeting, the sources added.


The NRO (National Reconciliation Ordinance) which helped BB & Asif Zardari to return to Pakistan and fight elections etc. is causing ripples now. Nawaz is not supporting that. Now, MQM too. The Kayani-Gilani combination is also playing some tricks perhaps. Kayani is already very unhappy with Zardari for a whole lot of reasons. If Nawaz mobilizes a nation-wide support and decides to march towards Islamabad from Lahore, as he did last time in the Chief Justice's case, Kayani may have to intervene as he did last time, and this time Zardari may not survive the intervention. It depends on how steadfast Zardari would be to protect his turf or he will cut a deal though what deal could be cut in the current circumstances remains a moot point.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby kasthuri » 02 Nov 2009 18:27

India on high-alert against Mumbai-type attack

Possibly this explains PC and AK's speeches...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby kmkraoind » 02 Nov 2009 19:00

Can petty minds create a South Asian confederation?

I would have thought that a scheme unveiled by the government of India in 2005 to allow people of Indian origin, popularly known as PIOs, to have dual citizenship should first and foremost apply to those who lived in the neighbourhood – in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. But the Indian cabinet in its wisdom decided to exclude Pakistanis and Bangladeshis from the purview of an otherwise sound idea. I think someone should ask India’s Supreme Court as to why the decision to exclude Bangladeshis and Pakistanis should not be considered communal, if also petty.This is not to say that every Pakistani or Bangladeshi is waiting with bated breath to be given an Indian passport. Far from it. On the contrary, a very large number of Pakistanis would probably frown at the idea of diluting their national pride by swearing allegiance to the Indian constitution, for that is what dual citizenship implies – it involves dual or multiple allegiances as the situation may require. As far as I am aware Pakistanis have a dual citizenship arrangement only with a handful of European countries. Indians will probably play on a wider canvass naturally.


If this has been posted a few years back, it would be halal and he would have been dumped easily. See how things have changed. I am really having fun watching these. It seems like these TFTA idiots are showing their submissiveness, probably they want to revert back to Indic.

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Now IED Mubarak in La' Whore

Postby jimmyray » 02 Nov 2009 19:42

Breaking News CNN

Blast in La' whore several casualities.
Last 'over' of the day, another four by Talibunny :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby jamwal » 02 Nov 2009 19:43

Good bunny or bad one ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 02 Nov 2009 20:00

Bangladesh Cabinet Approves Law to Return Properties Seized from the Hindus During 1965 War

For those who contend that Pakistan is not a theocratic state, the question is which country would seize properties from its own citizens just because they belong to a religion which happened to be the majority religion of a country with whom it was fighting ? If this was done in 1965, when that country was less imbued with fundamentalist extremism and intolerance, what is the case now ?
The Bangladesh cabinet on Monday approved a proposed law to return Hindu properties which were confiscated during the 1965 Indo-Pak war, when the country was eastern wing of Pakistan, ending a major violation of the rights of minorities in the country.

The then Pakistani government had seized approximately 2.5 million acres of land from Hindus, affecting nearly 10 million Hindus in the country until parliament scrapped it in April 2001.


In circa 1959, Ayub Khan setup the Auqaf Department to manage the waqf properties. The management of shrines and temples belonging to the religious minorities was also handed over to the Auqaf. During the regime of the Islamic Socialist Z.A.Bhutto, the powers of the Auqaf were enhanced manifold. The Auqaf has totally neglecetd to preserve the Hindu temples and Sikh gurduwaras scattered all over Pakistan. In many places, once magnificent temples have been leased out to commercial activities bringing in money for the Auqaf which will be spent on other Waqf properties. This is very reminiscent of how the Nazis razed down Jewish synagogues and used that space for building parks, apartment complexes etc

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Re: Now IED Mubarak in La' Whore

Postby SSridhar » 02 Nov 2009 20:04

jimmyray wrote:Breaking News CNN

Blast in La' whore several casualities.
Last 'over' of the day, another four by Talibunny :D

That's only a single, from the look of the reports.
Two Suicide Bombers Kill Just 1 Policeman

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby derkonig » 02 Nov 2009 20:22

AoA,
Per ToIlet, Lahore IED mubarak is twin suicide bombing....
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 190036.cms

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2009 20:26

is suicide bombing and killing of innocents at night prohibited in islam? most of these seem to occure fairly early in the day as in someone takes a ritual bath and walks out with a grim intent to secure the one way ticket.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 02 Nov 2009 20:42

BCCI replies to PCB's request
‘The BCCI president told Butt that the Indian players were not available for the next few months because of their international commitments. After that we will resume talks. ‘At the moment India’s calendar is crammed but we will resume talks with Pakistan six-seven months later,’

In the meanwhile we have to ensure the Indian government’s point of view.'

Shukla however refused to speculate on whether India could play Pakistan at neutral venues.

‘We will cross the bridge when it comes. First let us resume our talks.’

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby AnantD » 02 Nov 2009 20:43

The way the tribal Izlamic mind thinks is that revenge is the best form of "justice".

Plus all the brainwashing of below 80 IQ people has only reinforced it. The Isloo, pissawar and Pindi attacks are revenge for killing their "innocents", so its all fair.

I don't believe there is any truth to the anniversary attacks theory. That is more A Keeda or Bad Taliban's style. These are allstate orchestrated attacks against India and hence oppurtunistic, and designed to cause maximum financial harm on India. That is more in line with the ISI's style. Thats why the focus on Mumbai so much. Bangalore, Hbad, Chennai need watch out, IMO. Cochin, Calcutta and Deli fall lower in the list, though Delhi has different symbolism, attacks are focussed during celebrations of any sort. Just trying to think like a Paki!! :shock: :-?

Just my thinking 1st thing inthe morning after some good coffee! :D

The sea attack is definitely the highest probability. India has to change the game rules for TSP, i.e. expand search and partrol at sea, issue rotating passwords, and distress passwords, sat phones and beacons to all Indian boats, and shoot to kill orders for the navy/CG for boats that don't identify or try to flee. Shoot first, ask questions later!!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Rishi » 02 Nov 2009 20:47

AnantD, any particular reason for the misspelling to Izlamic???

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby milindc » 02 Nov 2009 20:50

Singha wrote:is suicide bombing and killing of innocents at night prohibited in islam? most of these seem to occure fairly early in the day as in someone takes a ritual bath and walks out with a grim intent to secure the one way ticket.

They were waiting for the day light, but these zalim Paki Gandus (aka Lahori Police) asked them about the 'shahadat' jackets at a check-post.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby AnantD » 02 Nov 2009 20:55

AnantD, any particular reason for the misspelling to Izlamic???


No. Sounds better to me. Keeps the Bots from registering as a legit comment.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shiv » 02 Nov 2009 21:24

AnantD wrote:
AnantD, any particular reason for the misspelling to Izlamic???


No. Sounds better to me. Keeps the Bots from registering as a legit comment.


Just realised that it is also an anagram of zalim

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby kasthuri » 02 Nov 2009 21:33

Updated List: I hope very soon we may have to dedicate a whole thread just to count the attacks in TSP!!
Major attacks in Pakistan since Oct. 5:

Nov. 2, 2009: A Taliban suicide bomber killed 34 Pakistanis and wounded scores more in an attack in Rawalpindi.

Oct. 28, 2009: A Taliban suicide bomber killed 119 Pakistanis and wounded hundreds more in an attack on a bazaar in Peshawar.

Oct. 27, 2009: A brigadier general who served as the director of defense services guards at the Army General Headquarters escaped an assassination attempt in Islamabad.

Oct. 23, 2009: The Taliban detonated an anti-tank mine and hit a bus transporting a wedding party in Mohmand. The explosion killed 15 of the passengers and wounded six more.

Oct. 23, 2009: The Taliban detonated a car bomb outside a popular restaurant in the residential Hayatabad area in Peshawar. The attack wounded 13 civilians; nine are said to be in critical condition.

Oct. 23, 2009: A Taliban suicide bomber killed seven people during an attack at a security checkpoint near the Kamra Air Weapon Complex in the district of Attock in Punjab province.

Oct. 21, 2009: The Taliban assassinated a brigadier general and his driver during an ambush in Islamabad.

Oct. 20, 2009: A pair of suicide bombers detonated their vests at Islamabad's International Islamic University, killing five.

Oct. 16, 2009: A pair of suicide bombers, including a female, attacked a police station and a building housing an intelligence service in Peshawar, killing 11.

Oct. 15, 2009: Terrorist assault teams attacked the Federal Investigation Agency building, the Manawan police training centre, and the Elite Force Headquarters in Lahore. Twenty-six people, including nine terrorists and 12 policemen, were killed.

Oct. 15, 2009: A suicide bomber rammed a car into a police station in Kohat, killing 11 people, including policemen and children.

Oct. 12, 2009: A suicide bomber detonated a car packed with explosives as a military convoy passed through a checkpoint in a market in Alpuri in Shangla. The attack killed 41 people, including six security personnel.

Oct. 10, 2009: An assault team attacked the Army General Headquarters and took 42 security personnel captive. Eleven soldiers were killed, including a brigadier general and a lieutenant colonel, along with nine members of the assault team; and 39 hostages were freed.

Oct. 9, 2009: A suicide bomber detonated a car packed with explosives in a bazaar in Peshawar, killing 49 civilians.

Oct. 5, 2009: A suicide bomber entered the World Food Program office in Islamabad and detonated his vest, killing five UN workers, including an Iraqi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby milindc » 02 Nov 2009 22:09

kasthuri wrote:Updated List: I hope very soon we may have to dedicate a whole thread just to count the attacks in TSP!!

Sir, what about Today's Lahore attack...
Insha'Allah , you will update it every minute

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 02 Nov 2009 22:14

Her words still ring in my ears to a query on partition: ‘Tenu ki dassan, puttar. Tarikh vich raj badalde si, raja badalda si. Ae ki raj badlya ke prajaa hi badal diti?’ (Son, history witnessed countless changes of kingdoms resulting in the change of kings. What kind of kingdom have we created, in which the people were changed?) :cry:

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ration-119



This likely illiterate Panjabi woman is wiser than all the wise men of India/Pakistan put together.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Prem » 02 Nov 2009 22:26

SSridhar wrote:
csharma wrote:Is this Jawed Naqvi guy Pakistani or Indian?


He is a naturalized Pakistani

:rotfl: Due for TFTA Musharraf Test. Seriously, he is the living demonstration/example/ experiment to understand the difference between Indic and Nindic.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 02 Nov 2009 22:34

He is RIP = Resident Indian Pakistani.

Even though he resides in India his mind is that of a Pakistani. He is worse than WKK.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 02 Nov 2009 22:45

Talks with good talibunnies being scheduled
Pak rejects US claims of Afghan-Taliban presence in Balochistan
Mon, Nov 2 02:00 PM

Islamabad, Nov. 2 (ANI): Pakistan reportedly told US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that members of any Afghan Taliban Shura were not hiding in Balochistan, against whom the US had demanded a crackdown.

According to The Nation, during her recent visit to Islamabad, Clinton pushed Pakistan for a crackdown but to her sheer disappointment, the demand was rejected for lack of evidence.

Pakistan, however, accepted the US request to help accelerate process of dialogue with the Taliban elements in Afghanistan.

The Obama administration had requested Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to help Washington initiate a dialogue process with the Taliban in Afghanistan as part of its 'talk to the Taliban' strategy.

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has sent Director General ISI, Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha to Saudi Arabia as his special emissary to discuss the renewed US proposal.

Sources said that Gen Pasha called on Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz in Riyadh the other day and conveyed the message of resident Asif Ali Zardari. Saudi Intelligence Chief Prince Muqrin bin Abdul Aziz also attended the meeting
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby amdavadi » 02 Nov 2009 22:51

Sources said that Gen Pasha called on Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz in Riyadh the other day and conveyed the message ofresident Asif Ali Zardari. Saudi Intelligence Chief Prince Muqrin bin Abdul Aziz also attended the meeting


President to resident, zardari being afraid to step out to meet his 72 became resident of TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Jarita » 02 Nov 2009 23:10

Prem][quote="csharma wrote:Is this Jawed Naqvi guy Pakistani or Indian?
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People of a particular religion voted overwhelmingly in favor of Pakistan. many of these who voted stayed back in India (esp. the UP wallas) but they voted in favor of Pakistan.
Now that Pakistan is a big failure, they are trying to appeal to the emotions of the Indian majority. Very clever.
My family being a victim of the partition, they clearly remember how friends turned against friends, the derogatory and downright threatening language and worst of all - this was not superficial. These guys truly believed in an Islamic republic.
This is complete deception - false crocodile tears. The underlying sentiment is survival and to gain from Indias progress. Look at the way he has mentioned Hindus as victims to evoke majority sympathy. Errr.. I doubt if my gramps want to live in Pakistan or B'desh. Who are they deluding.
The divorce is complete and sorry, we don't want a dual citizenship with you.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby CalvinH » 02 Nov 2009 23:44

I have lots of friends who parents/grand parents lost everything in partition but has since rebuilt everything and are doing very well. I am sure none of them would like to go back and think of having a dual citizenship.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby svinayak » 02 Nov 2009 23:47

‘Taliban presently lack capabilities to attack India’

Updated on Monday, November 02, 2009, 16:45 IST Tags:Pakistan, Taliban, Drones
http://www.zeenews.com/zeeexclusive/200 ... 7news.html

Pakistan forces have launched an offensive in South Waziristan Agency against revived Pakistan Taliban. However, the offensive has failed to deter Pak Taliban from launching more terrorist attacks around the country. In an exclusive interview with Kamna Arora of Zeenews.com, Pakistan expert Syed Adnan Ali Shah Bukhari talks about the tumult in Pak and forces’ offensive against Taliban.

Syed Adnan Ali Shah Bukhari is an Associate Research Fellow at the International Centre for Political Violence and Terrorism Research, Rajaratnam School of International Studies, Singapore.



Kamna: Is the anti-insurgency military offensive in Pakistan’s South Waziristan just an eye-wash or is Islamabad really determined this time to flush out terrorists?

Bukhari: Since early 2008, we have seen a firm resolve on the part of the Pakistani government to take-on the terrorists and eliminate them. It was for the first time in the history of the present day FATA that we are witnessing multiple military operations taking place across the length and breadth of the region. Pakistan’s present military offence against its local/Pakistani Taliban is even contrary to the previous policies of the former British Indian government (1857-1947) which pursued the strategy of subduing one tribe at one time while placating the other restive tribes and taking them on one by one over a course of time.

The current operation in South Waziristan Agency (SWA) is being pursued with the strong belief that SWA has become the headquarters of foreign and local terrorists and until the semi-sanctuaries of these terrorists are not eliminated, the wave of terrorist violence in the entire Pakistan cannot be brought down.

However, there are many factors that could shape the success or otherwise of the present military operation in SWA. Firstly, any major political instability in the country could derail the focus on the ongoing military operation. Secondly, the evolving external security environment around Pakistan could also factor into the success of the operations. The recent suicide attack in Iran, for example, and the evolving terrorist links between Jundullah and Pakistani terrorist groups, such as the sectarian Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ), Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and al Qaeda (AQ), could be a deviation that could affect Pakistan’s focus on the drive against terrorists in FATA.

Thirdly, the cooperation of the Pakistan civil society in eliminating Taliban militants could be a major factor. Their support is crucial in eliminating the Taliban since they could provide the much-needed human intelligence (HUMINT) to root out militancy from the entire region. Fourthly, the Taliban is a cross-border phenomenon, and the Taliban in Afghanistan are growing in strength with every passing year. In 2007, the Afghan Taliban were maintaining permanent presence over 54 percent of the Afghan territory, which increased to 72 percent in 2008. In 2009, the Taliban’s presence further increased to 80 percent, with violence reaching up to the northern and western parts of the insurgency-torn country. The Pak-Afghan border is porous, and the Pakistani Taliban may sneak into Afghanistan if they come under extreme pressure from the Pakistani security forces. While Pakistan has deployed 120,000 troops on the border, there are few soldiers on the Afghan side their number needs to be increased. Unless, the Afghan Taliban are eliminated and Afghanistan stabilised, we may see the presence of Pakistani Taliban, albeit weak, in FATA.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 03 Nov 2009 00:01

I am having trouble wrapping my head around the recent Paki-IED mubarak thing.

On the one hand there are three theories

1. Pak fauj is just doing a show in SWA
2. Pak fauj is really fighting in SWA, but only eliminating those who have slipped out of control (Uzbeks for example)
3. Pak fauj is really fighting in SWA

On the other there are 2 theories

A. IED mubarak is a false flag operation by the Pak fauj to garner public support
B. IED mubarak is my "miscreants"
C. IED mubarak is by foreign intelligence agencies.

Now either 1 or 2 is correct, I would have a hard time believing 3. Similarly A can be discounted, because the GHQ attack was a massive loss of H&D. Most attacks seem to be against the police and the army. So we are left with 1, 2, B, C. But 1, 2 does not mesh with B. If 1 or 2 is the case, it really benefits the Pashtoons (or the Pakjabi Talibs) to lay low, keep quiet and help the army. Then why so many IED mubaraks going off all of a sudden ? Especially when there is every reason to believe that the Pakjabi "miscreants" are still solidly behind the army.

But I have a hard time believing C.

One unrelated observation: There has been a tremendous turnaround by Pak media, they are being either willingly or unwittingly manipulated to say and do things that ultimately benefits the army. The media which was so anti-musharraf a few months back, suddenly is talking about H&D in the context of KLB. Nobody pauses to note that since Mushy gave all the cream to the army wallahs, it is now the turn of the aam-admi to get some of the aid. The only quarter with any takleef vis a vis KLB is the army. If the media is actually going on a limb to denounce KLB to the extent of trying to do a IED mubarak in Hillary interview, they are solidly behind the army.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Johann » 03 Nov 2009 00:06

Singha wrote:is suicide bombing and killing of innocents at night prohibited in islam? most of these seem to occure fairly early in the day as in someone takes a ritual bath and walks out with a grim intent to secure the one way ticket.


Singha, what's the point of most suicide bomb attacks on soft targets? To kill as many people as possible.

If you want to hit crowds that means hitting targets during the day.

The exceptions are bars and dance clubs in hotels, but those are relatively few and most now have quite a lot of security around them

Besides, the war has expanded beyond that limited set of players.

Anujan wrote:One unrelated observation: There has been a tremendous turnaround by Pak media, they are being either willingly or unwittingly manipulated to say and do things that ultimately benefits the army.


Many of those who opposed Musharraf's dictatorship *also* opposed Musharraf's use of military force in FATA under American pressure

They see it as a loss of national sovereignty as well as a source of instability, worsening jihadi violence within Pakistan.

The Kerry-Lugar bill is about strengthening US-leverage in Pakistan, which many of them fear will mean more violence and instability.


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