Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby KLNMurthy » 11 Nov 2009 11:17

amdavadi wrote:we are to belive same semyour who said morarji desai was on CIA pay list. I really like to belive seymore,
but people who took oath to eat grass for rest of their lives for a islamic dhamaka will let amerians just walk
in?. They very well know if,and when news leaks out about paki being nuke nood, India will be sitting pretty
in lahore or all the way to peshawar.


I read the article; nowhere does it say that Pakis are going to let the Americans walk in to look after the nukes. It says two things:
1. Obama govt is trying to have an informal arrangement with Pakis so that they will call the Americans for help in case of a crisis (fat chance)
2. Paki generals always lie to the Americans, and whatever they agree to is not to be trusted.

I don't find anything to disagree with on 1 or 2: Obama govt is naive enough to try to go for this "helpful" agreement, and to think it means something, and we know Pakis lie to the Americans all the time.

What is amusing about the Paki takleef is that they don't seem bothered at all by the fact that Hersh called them liars very directly. They are just taking 1 as meaning that the Amrikans are going to take over their nukes, and making a song & dance about it.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 11 Nov 2009 11:47

Good news for shireen mazari (strategist analyst and sister of zaid hamid).
Tomorrow's editorial by shireen will expose how america is arming the taliban.
This will be similar to her claim that NATO removed troops from afghan checkpoints to help pakiban as soon as pakistan started its offensive in South Waziristan.
In TV footage, Afghan militants brandish US ammo
AP 11 November 2009, 12:49am IST

KABUL: Television footage broadcast on Tuesday showed insurgents handling what appears to be US ammunition in a remote area of eastern Afghanistan that American forces left last month following a deadly firefight that killed eight troops.

The US military said the forces that left the area said they removed and accounted for their equipment.

Al-Jazeera broadcast video showing insurgents handling weapons, including anti-personnel mines with US markings on them. The television station reported that insurgents said they seized the weapons from two US remote outposts in Nuristan province. It was unclear when the video was filmed.

Nuristan was the site of an October 3 battle in which some 200 fighters bombarded a joint US-Afghan army outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenades and mortar shells.

Lt Col Todd Vician, a spokesman for Nato forces, said the material in the footage “appears to be US equipment”. He said it was unclear how the insurgents got the weapons.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby csharma » 11 Nov 2009 12:18

Seymour Hersh on MSNBC talking about Pakistan nukes story he wrote.


Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGkoT-H3 ... re=related

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdjoze5 ... re=related

Is the Seymour Hersh story a warning to Pakistan, basically a hint that they have to carck down on their fundoos in the military if they want to have the bomb. The idea is to get Pakistan cooperation on the Afghan front. US brings up the nuclear thing anytime they feel they are not getting enough cooperation.

Also, this could provide some cover for Indian troop reductions.

Also, proves that some of the CT floated by Zaid Hamid and Hamid Gul regarding US seeking access to their nukes is correct.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Umrao Das » 11 Nov 2009 12:51

confirms that American media and even hershly outright idiots.
Hershley says Pakistanis are secular
Joe six pack thinks TSp is stable and fine because middle class still goes to work.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby csharma » 11 Nov 2009 12:54

Umrao Das wrote:confirms that American media and even hershly outright idiots.
Hershley says Pakistanis are secular
Joe six pack thinks TSp is stable and fine because middle class still goes to work.


That part was a little weird. Pakistan beings secular and all.

In any case, this has become an explosive issue in Pakistan and I cannot see how it helps US Pak relations. It makes sense only as a threat to Pakistan.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby svinayak » 11 Nov 2009 12:59

csharma wrote:
That part was a little weird. Pakistan beings secular and all.

They compare with Iran, KSA and other countries.
Being islamic/sharia/anti-minority is secular for them. only Indian think that even a slight mention of religion makes it un secular.
They say people are secular - top elite are highly cultured people
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Vikas » 11 Nov 2009 13:04

This is another Conspiracy against Pakistan, trying to make it secular when it is NOT. What is US fascination of turning Pakistan into a secular state when Pakis themselves don't want it and the state herself was created in the name of Religion.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby amdavadi » 11 Nov 2009 13:15

pakis will lable themselves secular as long as uncle keeps writing fat checks. You have to understand paki mind. They turn jeehadi to keep unkle as a sugar daddy,and they will do anything to keep uncle happy as long as uncle pays for paki whiskey & all ex,y,z jernail gets a place near virginia.

Pakis are used to living off other peoples money by threating the whole world around them.They have never earn a penny the hardway,and they aint going to do anytime soon.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Suppiah » 11 Nov 2009 13:21

TSP vacuum is already moving to the bottom on the 'Latest Headlines' that come up on Firefox...land of pure should do something about it.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 11 Nov 2009 14:10

Avinash R wrote:Good news for shireen mazari (strategist analyst and sister of zaid hamid).
Tomorrow's editorial by shireen will expose how america is arming the taliban.
This will be similar to her claim that NATO removed troops from afghan checkpoints to help pakiban as soon as pakistan started its offensive in South Waziristan.

Ma'm has been going through a torrid time ever since her Godfather had to leave. First, she was summarily thrown out of PISS and that too without being given sufficient time to clear her closets or whatever, for which she took offence but none listened. Then, she was summarily stopped from writing articles in The News after Ms. Anne Paterson strongly objected. Now, she is being hounded out of her next refuge too, The Nation ? Meanwhile, she lost the honey den that she built so assiduously and entrapped that gentleman who eventually had to be airlifted for medical attention. When it rains, it pours. Who can blame M'am if she thinks that Pakistan is an ungrateful place ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 11 Nov 2009 15:56

Presidency suggests 'Zardari' as father's name for all orphans
The Senate’s Standing Committee on Social Welfare and Special Education on Tuesday considered putting President Asif Zardari’s name in the ‘father’s name’ column in orphans’ legal documents.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby AnantD » 11 Nov 2009 17:00

Seymour Hersh on MSNBC talking about Pakistan nukes story he wrote.


The sad part is that after 8 years post 9 eleven even the sharpest like Herse get carried away thinking:

1. Pakistan is secular, just because .001 percent of the public remains non-muslim after only 60 years of partition.
2. The whisky drinkers are so cultured, their only problem being not believing in trickle-down economics.
3. The middle class of 10 percent of the population still goes to work.

Problem is that the price is going to be paid by the ones who can least afford it now. Compared to 3~4 trillion deficit overall, what a few billion!

Also, that if the Indian Army disappeared from the TSP border, that the entire TSPA would go to waziristan and terrorism emanating from TSP would come to an end. wah wah!!

All I can say to Mr. Hers is a question: Pakistan ka Matlab kya!!!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 11 Nov 2009 17:32

Payback for Conversion

PCB appoints Yusuf as Test captain

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LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has appointed star batsman Muhammad Yousuf as captain of Test series against New Zealand. Kamran Akmal will be his deputy. According to sources, Muhammad Yousuf has decided to accept the captaincy offer after consultation with former captain Inzamamul Haq. Captain Yonis Khan requested the PCB not to consider him for Test series as he want to take a break.


From one true bearded believer (Haq) to another (Yousuf) "Brother, you fit the mold"!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 11 Nov 2009 17:37

No Parcel Gifts this X'mas

NWFP govt directs offices not to receive parcels

PESHAWAR: The Frontier government has directed government offices and educational institutions not to receive unknown parcel. :roll: According to directives issued by NWFP government, terrorists are trying different techniques :lol: and they could use parcels as bomb. Therefore, the heads of schools, police offices, hospitals and government offices should not receive any parcel or gift from unknown person.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 11 Nov 2009 17:40

Pukistan's latest haji

Reema to leave for Hajj today

LAHORE: Renowned film actress Reema Khan will leave for Saudi Arabia today to perform Hajj. Reema said she is thankful to God for the success and a privilege of having opportunity to perform Hajj. She said she will be offered for country’s prosperity and elimination of terrorism.
:rotfl:

(My apologies, I deleted a word or two to make this up).
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 11 Nov 2009 17:48

In case you all were wondering whatever happened to everyone's favorite villain, Dr. Khan (pbuh), (of the famous line "My name is Khan, Dr. Khan), he is back today rambling about..this.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby AjayKK » 11 Nov 2009 18:18

The Sunday Times of India and its supplements needlessly ndulge in monthly bhaichara. This Sunday's full page read , posting in full for archiving.

SCHOOLING UNDER SIEGE

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As Pakistan totters on the edge, its childrens education that has taken the worst hit. Shahrezad Samiuddin describes life under the shadow of bombs post the Islamic University blasts and subsequent threats to schools


Its been three weeks since Islamabad housewife Samira Akmals , 36, three children Maryam 9, Daniyal, 7 and Mustafa, 3, last went to school. Students of a prestigious school located in the Diplomatic Enclave in Islamabad, the kids are just three of thousands of children who are at home while their schools up security arrangements or just wait out the situation, as fear of terrorist attacks grip Pakistani cities. Schools around the country closed down soon after blasts on October 20 at the Islamic University campus in Islamabad , amidst reports that they were a prime target for extremist militants.

For Samira, the blast at the Islamic University brought home the magnitude of the war hotting up in Pakistans tribal areas. Islamabad has seen many attacks, but the university blast was of special concern because my sister-in-law studies there. The 15 minutes between the time when the news broke till the time she called us, felt like an endless living hell, she says.

While government schools opened shortly after the blast, many private schools remain shut. And those that opened saw thin attendance . Not taking any chances, some schools have even announced that they are shut till Eid al-Azha , near the end of November.

Living in fear

In fact, many schools these days resemble fortresses. There are armed guards standing near the gates. The walls have become higher by a few feet. Sharp new barbed wires gleam on top. At Bayview Academy snipers stand alert on rooftops behind sandbags while children play below in the playground. CCTV has been installed and armed guards man the school 24/7.

Traffic rules too have changed to accommodate security fears. Senior school students now arrive at different times from junior schools because they dont want a traffic congestion which can be a security hazard. The first few days after the scare in some schools the heads were seen talking to parents and making sure everything was okay. Moreover, you cannot just walk into a school anymore they have a register at the front gate.

Parents, meanwhile, are getting paranoid and do everything to stay connected. For instance Karachi Grammar School (a very prestigious institution) called the parents for a meeting on the security situation and then took a vote about whether to keep the school open or close it. Later in the day they informed everyone through their website that the school was closed.

At Bayview Academy, a few parents got together and made a list of security measures to be taken. At one school, parents decided to man the gate when children arrived and left, not leaving it to the school chowkidaar.

No socialising

Despite the extreme measures, most parents are worried about the impact this will have on their children who talk about bombs as if they were firecrackers . Even getting to school is quite scary. Cars are being checked all over Islamabad but who knows whats going to come and hit you from behind wonders Samira.

Meanwhile, socialising and simple joys of life have also come to a standstill . Samira has stopped taking her children out altogether. We do takeaway or get delivery instead. At the most, we go to the local market to quickly grab chips and a soft drink and come home, she says.

Even Ali Rizvi, 45, father of three in Karachi, who is relatively far away from the war says the seriousness of the situation hit home when he drove his children to school when it reopened and saw snipers, sandbags and guards. Inside the building the school had installed CCTV and were looking to get wireless sets because what is the point of CCTV without wireless.

Later that evening Ali attended a meeting of concerned parents hastily arranged at one of their homes. One parent had links with the Intelligence and spoke of the very real threat facing our schools including hostage-like situations.

It made me shudder. Under pressure from parents the school shut for another 10 days to train staff to deal with emergencies and in first-aid , to blast-proof windows, and to put up barriers. Ali plans on sending his children to school when it opens but adds that he will be very worried.

Rizwan Shakoor, 33, a Karachi-based ad agency owner, which has so far avoided the action has also stopped taking his son out on weekends. Saim has been begging me to take him to his favourite play area at Park Towers (a popular Karachi mall). But a neighbour told me his family now takes out the cars from the driveway and tells the children to ride bicycles there instead of going out. Ever since were also staying home. But how do you explain to a four-year old why you cant take him out

Mirror to life

In schools, talks, discussions and even assignments reflect the current turbulent situation. Samira recalls one of the homework assignments of her children was to write an essay on What to do if there is an emergency situation at school, another was on How you should support your country in these troubled times. {"These troubled times" as if 62 years were calm and prosperous?}

She believes any effort to protect children from whats happening around them is pointless. Daniyal had to use the word savage in a sentence and he came up with The Taliban are savage people, on his own. I have stopped watching TV altogether but Maryam watches news of all blasts and gives me updates. I feel guilty about bringing them up in a world that is so insecure, she says. {Mohtarma is "guilty" about raising kids in such sunna and halaal environment? She is truly Ahle Kitaab }

Alis children are relatively less affected by the wave of fear but when asked why they were at home, 10-year-old Amna replied, Because the Taliban are blowing up things everywhere, and we dont know what theyll blow up next. When asked who they thought the Taliban were, her younger sister Savera, 5, piped up, They are bad people who destroy countries.

This mistrust of others, living on the edge has now become a part and parcel of life in Pakistan.


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Is the bearded person in above pic. ,security personnel or talibunny ?

Anyway, what use do the people from the Land Of The Pure have for such kaffir unIslamic schools with CCTVs, sandbags, snipers, garrisons ? Compare this to the pure open air madrassas protected by the Lord. Pakistanis must truly return to the ways of Allah and shun such kaffir type haram-ful activities.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Rahul M » 11 Nov 2009 18:45

SSridhar wrote:Presidency suggests 'Zardari' as father's name for all orphans
The Senate’s Standing Committee on Social Welfare and Special Education on Tuesday considered putting President Asif Zardari’s name in the ‘father’s name’ column in orphans’ legal documents.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby AjayKK » 11 Nov 2009 18:46

Another in the above series by the Times of India.

Their collapse, our nightmare

Shobhan Saxena ( Resident Harvindar C Ganguly of ToI) | TNN

It really is a big deal when an India-Pakistan ODI fails to provoke hysteria. But so it was recently. TV ratings remained unmoved. Could people have lost interest in one-day cricket or is the sport
no longer war by other means between the sub-continental rivals.

Or could it be that Indians no longer see Pakistan as a rival because it is on the verge of failure if not already a failed state?

No, say Indian hawks and doves to a man. "Its too early to call Pakistan a failed state", says K Subramanyam, strategic affairs analyst . "Pakistan is in a serious crisis but its not going to collapse anytime soon. Its a nuclear weapon state and I dont think the international forces would go into Pakistan to take control of it."

Kalim Bahadur, former JNU don and author of Democracy in Pakistan: Crisis and Conflict, believes the country's real problem is economic, not terrorism ." Their economic situation is worse than the security situation. People do not have access to basic things like sugar and wheat flour and that is causing a lot of social tensions and problems", says Bahadur. "If Pakistan collapses, we will have to face the problem of refugees. A stable and democratic Pakistan is in Indias best interest."

A strong Pakistan has generally been viewed with suspicion here, seen as a troublemaker bent upon inflicting a thousand bleeding cuts on India . But, now that Pakistan is fighting the enemy within, hardly anyone here seems fervently to long for collapse of the state. Imagine a Pakistan controlled by the Taliban. Or imagine a Pakistan with international forces stationed there. Both scenarios are not good for us. We would like to see Pakistan as a stable and accountable country" , says an external affairs ministry official.

This seems to be in line with government thinking. Just last week, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh insisted that the destinies of India and Pakistan are linked . In the final analysis, New Delhi may be the Capital keenest to wish Islamabad success.


Kalim Bahadur is truly misguided. What is mere atta and sugar when one is privileged to live in the LoTP?
As a gentle Paki said on tthis old thread on ShiaChat.com on the topic " Are Shias safer in INDIA or PAKISTAN?" :

I need to know safe in what sense. If you are talking about religion, then for sure shias in Pakistan are lot safer then in India, but if you are talking about life, then India might be a better place. But the question is, as a true shia (read PAKI) since when do we (I) care about our (other's) lives. We believe religion is more important then our lives....... so where ever I can preserve my religion I will consider that to be a SAFER place.


Unfortunately for the Paki, only 20% agreed with him.
Which means Shias value atta and sugar more than Pakistan.
Hence Shias are unIslamic. Jeehard ho...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 11 Nov 2009 18:47

anupmisra wrote:In case you all were wondering whatever happened to everyone's favorite villain, Dr. Khan (pbuh), (of the famous line "My name is Khan, Dr. Khan), he is back today rambling about..this.

Has CHIC-4 ended up in Mali too ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Pranav » 11 Nov 2009 19:07

Two of the 3 1/2 godfathers step forward to take care of munna:

Saudi Arabia grants Pakistan $380 million loan : http://in.reuters.com/article/southAsia ... thAsiaNews

Pakistan-China in $1.4 billion fighter jet deal : http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2009_pg1_5

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby kasthuri » 11 Nov 2009 19:22

csharma wrote:Seymour Hersh on MSNBC talking about Pakistan nukes story he wrote.

Seymour and folks looked like a bunch of jokers, in my opinion. First, the show reflected the typical arrogance that money can buy TSP. As we know this can never happen. Second, the reason he gave for Khans to negotiate the nuke security in TSP is because of India presence on the border and India's security concerns on TSP nukes. Com'on guys, grow up!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby kasthuri » 11 Nov 2009 19:31

Landmine attack kills 10 soldiers
PESHAWAR: A landmine attack and ambush killed 10 Pakistani troops near the Afghan border Wednesday, in a sign that violence is spreading away from the frontlines of a major anti-Taliban offensive.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Muppalla » 11 Nov 2009 20:15

kasthuri wrote:Landmine attack kills 10 soldiers
PESHAWAR: A landmine attack and ambush killed 10 Pakistani troops near the Afghan border Wednesday, in a sign that violence is spreading away from the frontlines of a major anti-Taliban offensive.


Ok peace. This morning's news quota about the nighly affairs in TSP has arrived.

In TSP, the anxious wait for "news of IEDMubharak" is like:

raat dhal chhuki naa jaane tum kab aaoge
jahaan ki rut badal chhuki i.. naa jaane tum kab aaoge

The news has come and enjoy the night.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby faraz » 11 Nov 2009 20:16



3*3+(3/3) = 10.The power of 3 is everywhere :D

Where are Allah, America and Army ? :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 11 Nov 2009 20:20

Zardari made millions in the French submarine deal
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari is suspected of having received millions of dollars in kickbacks from the 1994 sale of three French submarines to the Pakistani Navy, a French daily reported.

In addition, investigators believe that the non-payment of the full amount of the agreed kickbacks may have led to the deaths of 11 French nationals in a 2002 terror attack in the city of Karachi.

The report says the Frendh daily acquired documents that allegedly show that Zardari received 4.3 million dollars in kickbacks from the sale of three Agosta 90 submarines for 825 million euros (currently 1.237 billion dollars).

The documents were sent to the Pakistani National Accountability Bureau (NAB) by British authorities in April 2001 and indicate that Zardari received several large payments into his Swiss bank accounts from a Lebanese businessman, Abdulrahman el-Assir, in 1994 and 1995.

According to a former executive of the French naval defence company DCN, French authorities chose el-Assir to act as intermediary in the deal. He allegedly deposited a total of 1.3 million dollars in Zardari’s bank accounts between August 15 and 30, 1994, one month before the submarine contract was signed, and then 1.2 million dollars and 1.8 million dollars one year later.

According to DCN employees who testified in the terror attack investigation, the kickbacks to Pakistan in the deal totalled 10 per cent of the purchase amount, with 6 per cent, or 49.5 million dollars, going to the military and 4 per cent, or 33 million euros, being funneled to political circles.{See, very fair distribution only. Everything is properly accounted for}


The News is running an intense anti-Zardari campaign.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Kedar » 11 Nov 2009 20:48

SSridhar wrote:[url=http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=91236]

According to DCN employees who testified in the terror attack investigation, the kickbacks to Pakistan in the deal totalled 10 per cent of the purchase amount, with 6 per cent, or 49.5 million dollars, going to the military and 4 per cent, or 33 million euros, being funneled to political circles.{See, very fair distribution only. Everything is properly accounted for}


The News is running an intense anti-Zardari campaign.[/quote]

Sridhar saar, how did you miss the Lahori math in that. 4x1.5 = 6 and 33x1.5 = 49.5 but 6 per cent is in dollars and 4 per cent is in Euros.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby symontk » 11 Nov 2009 20:57

kasthuri wrote:
Landmine attack kills 10 soldiers


3*3+(3/3) = 10.The power of 3 is everywhere

Where are Allah, America and Army ?


Thats the good thing about maths, you can make up any number, if it was 11, it would have been

3*3+(3-3/3) :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 11 Nov 2009 20:59

Kedar wrote:. . . how did you miss the Lahori math in that. 4x1.5 = 6 and 33x1.5 = 49.5 but 6 per cent is in dollars and 4 per cent is in Euros.

Kedar, I did see that. But, I thought USD & Euro were almost equal in circa 2002.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 11 Nov 2009 21:17

Madam's Apoplexy
My apologies if already posted.
. . .US technology and arms transfers through Israeli labels! . . . this time the $1.1 billion contract between India and Israel, for an upgraded air defence system for India. . . .

This will add to India’s missile defence capability, thereby further destabilising the nuclear balance in South Asia. So clearly Pakistan will have to add to its nuclear delivery systems and warheads if it wants to keep its deterrence credible. But even more relevant is the clear indication that India is all set to go full steam ahead to develop a second strike capability - first there was the nuclear submarine programme and now this air defence deal.

But the Indo-Israeli deal has repercussions for the neighbourhood also. For instance, through this deal Israel will get more naval access through India in the immediate vicinity of Pakistan and Iran. At any future date, it will make it much more feasible for Israel to target Iran from the sea - and keep the US and its Arab allies out of the equation, saving them a political crisis.{Clearly an attempt to drive a wedge in the Indo-Iranian relationship. So, Madam thinks that India will offer facilities for Israel to attack Iran thereby willing to lose Iran's long-standing friendship and with which it has no quarrels and on which it depends for oil and gas and access to Afghanistan, CAR and beyond ? What a twisted and idiotic logic that can only come from the stable of Madam}

. . . But the New Delhi-Mossad contacts had already evolved after Israel was allowed to open a consulate in Mumbai in the 1950s, even before India established full diplomatic relations with Israel. . . .After all, how does Pakistan ensure that the US covert operatives coming in without observing any immigration formalities are not also Israeli citizens? After all, many travel on non-Israeli passports? How do we know that our information sharing with the US is not travelling to New Delhi and Tel Aviv?{Madam is skating on thin ice once again. Hasn;t learnt from from the whackings she has received recently}

The Indo-US factor in Afghanistan has already been recognised as a source of illicit weapons supplies to militants in Pakistan. {Nobody knows how this has been established}

it is also time to factor in Israel as an element in our security parameters and in the regional dynamics - especially in terms of Extra Regional Forces (ERFs) {Aha, one more term. We have terms like 'non-state actors', 'enlightened moderation', 'unity of command' etc. etc.} and powers. The Israeli factor simply ups the ante in this region - especially with the threat of Israeli small arms also creeping into the militants’ arsenals.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 11 Nov 2009 21:45

SSridhar wrote:This will add to India’s missile defence capability.....thereby further destabilising the nuclear balance in South Asia. .......India is all set to go full steam ahead to develop a second strike capability......in the immediate vicinity of Pakistan and Iran. ......After all, how does Pakistan ensure that the US covert operatives coming in without observing any immigration formalities are not also Israeli citizens.....How do we know that our information sharing with the US is not travelling to New Delhi and Tel Aviv?........The Indo-US factor in Afghanistan has already been recognised as a source of illicit weapons supplies to militants in Pakistan.


Paranoid ramblings of a nihari-overfed nutcase. She is building up a non-existant case to deflect all of pukistan's shortcomings onto others (read the YYY conspiracy) and to raise the nuclear ante. The spookies have one crown jewel, which is its nuclear arsenal, which they have begged, borrowed or stolen to put together. She talks of "destabilizing actions", conveniently forgetting that its her nation that serves as the underpinning to all destabilization that is occuring in the region. She muses on the possibility that the US may be disclosing all shared information to India, conveniently forgetting that the pukes have been doing this to US systems by sharing the same with their chini friends. Man! Does she love to stoke the fires to collect her weekly paycheck. After a while, the only exit visa available to her in two to three years time will be to KSA and China.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby ramana » 11 Nov 2009 21:46

While Hersh sows fear and confusion Nigthwatch says on 11/10/09

Pakistan-China: China agreed to sell Pakistan two squadrons of J-10 fighters for up to $1.4 billion, The Financial Times reported, citing Pakistani and Western officials. A Pakistani official said more sales may follow, but denied that a deal had been made to buy up to 150 fighters.

The Pakistan Air Force expects to buy at least 250 JF-17 Thunder fighters in the next four to five years. Without Chinese arms assistance, Pakistan could not maintain the pretense of having a conventional military capability to fight India. :mrgreen:

Even with Chinese assistance, Pakistan’s conventional military forces would be defeated easily and quickly by the Indian Army. This state of vulnerability is one of the many legacies of Musharraf’s neglect of the armed forces he commanded. Nevertheless, the myth of Pakistani capabilities would tie down numbers of Indian forces in a future fight between India and China by threatening a multi-front conflict. :rotfl:

If India intended to destroy Pakistan, it could not have a better opportunity than the present, when an entire army corps is engaged in counter-insurgency operations in South Waziristan. Indian restraint is uncharacteristic, since the general rule of military strategy in South Asia is to kick the dog when it is down. :mrgreen:

Nevertheless, the Pakistan Army Corps commanders, encouraged by the Pakistani Taliban, consider India the existential threat to Pakistan. :?: The truth is that Pakistan cannot defend itself without resort to nuclear weapons and would probably lose a nuclear war as well. The Paks do not know how to be grateful. :mrgreen:



Quite perceptive. In a two front war it will be fight to finish on TSP side and a holdin gone on PRC side. And if it goes nuke then Beijing et al go too.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 11 Nov 2009 21:49

Have no fear while I am here.

No fear of rigging in Gilgit-Baltistan polls: Fazl

GILGIT: Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Chief Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman has said that so far there is no fear of rigging in Gilgit-Baltistan elections. Talking to media at a local hotel here on Wednesday, the JUI Chief said the reforms package introduced for Gilgit-Baltistan will have no impact on the Kashmir issue because ‘it is not a province, it is only a province like set up.’

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Rahul M » 11 Nov 2009 21:59

Special Comment: Two years ago, a devout Pakistani cab driver told NightWatch that if Allah called him or any devout Muslim to go on jihad and to kill his family and even the riders in his cab, he must do it immediately. He made that statement calmly as a matter of fact, while driving north on US 1.

This was not the statement of an insane man, but of an educated man with a degree in engineering who was making ends meet; a devoted family man and a good cab driver. NightWatch asked whether the phone was ringing just now. He replied he did not yet hear the call.

The Fort Hood tragedy brought that conversation to mind.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby ramana » 11 Nov 2009 22:24

The RAPE are the Ashrafs of the new modern TSP. All the rest are Ajlafs in TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 11 Nov 2009 22:51

Rahul M wrote:if Allah called him .... kill his family and even the riders in his cab, he must do it immediately.


Define Irony:

...an educated man with a degree in engineering; a devoted family man and a good cab driver.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby KLNMurthy » 11 Nov 2009 23:23

anupmisra wrote:
SSridhar wrote:This will add to India’s missile defence capability.....thereby further destabilising the nuclear balance in South Asia. .......India is all set to go full steam ahead to develop a second strike capability......in the immediate vicinity of Pakistan and Iran. ......After all, how does Pakistan ensure that the US covert operatives coming in without observing any immigration formalities are not also Israeli citizens.....How do we know that our information sharing with the US is not travelling to New Delhi and Tel Aviv?........The Indo-US factor in Afghanistan has already been recognised as a source of illicit weapons supplies to militants in Pakistan.


Paranoid ramblings of a nihari-overfed nutcase. She is building up a non-existant case to deflect all of pukistan's shortcomings onto others (read the YYY conspiracy) and to raise the nuclear ante. The spookies have one crown jewel, which is its nuclear arsenal, which they have begged, borrowed or stolen to put together. She talks of "destabilizing actions", conveniently forgetting that its her nation that serves as the underpinning to all destabilization that is occuring in the region. She muses on the possibility that the US may be disclosing all shared information to India, conveniently forgetting that the pukes have been doing this to US systems by sharing the same with their chini friends. Man! Does she love to stoke the fires to collect her weekly paycheck. After a while, the only exit visa available to her in two to three years time will be to KSA and China.


Leave the broad alone, she's the best ally India could have. :-)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Anujan » 12 Nov 2009 01:14

Interesting conversation with Pakistani equivalent of ex dilli-billi (Pindi-Prince ?) types and now a business owner in vilayat. His statement of Pakistani takleef with US was quite lucid and succinct. Nothing that Rakshaks dont know, but bears repeating.

Apparently Pakis were instrumental in Balkanization of SU and the victory of Amri-Khan idealogy of capitalism and democracy over competing SU idealogy and raisin dieter. A fair remuneration of services should have been Balkanization of India and victory of Paki IEDology over Indian Idealogy and raisin dieter. Anything short of that means "Unkil abandoned Pakis after their work got done".

Bad news for those who think 7.5B$ will buy loyalty.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 12 Nov 2009 01:22

KV Rao wrote:Leave the broad alone, she's the best ally India could have. :-)


In the short run, yes that may be true. But you are judged by the company you keep.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Prem » 12 Nov 2009 01:24

Anujan,
This is why the physical and metaphysical liquidation of Paki animal is pre-requisite for creating peaceful South Asia rooted in soil.


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