Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 28 Nov 2009 10:37

I think the gamma rays have finally liquefied the good physicist's brain.

The jihadis are Pakistan's problem to solve, once that is done it can pull out of POK we can all have a referendum.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby svinayak » 28 Nov 2009 11:11

Gagan wrote:What hoodboy doesn't realize or doesn't want to admit is that:

1. The terrorists have discovered the Munafiqs in pakistan because they can't reach the kafirs across the border and across the world to kill. Their action against the munafiqs is the direct result of their falling success rate against the kafirs.

Where was he in the last 30 years when these same jihadis were training and attacking India and others. Did the elite protest against these jihadis and now they want India to cooperate and help to go after these same jihadis.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 28 Nov 2009 11:11

SSridhar wrote:India & Pakistan: Case for Common Defence - Pervez Hoodbhoy


This is a great insult to pureland, idolators like pervez are RAWA agents, they eat indian rawa instead of pureland salt and propose joining hands with india to fight the purer than pure freedom fighters who go by the name of taliban and are liberating pakistan and afghanistan from amercian occupation.

Does prevez know what taliban means? Talib means a student and taliban are a bunch of students. And this pervez is proposing to join hands with india to kill students. See what the dirty western education has done to him. He is advocating killing of innocent students who playfully blow up schools, not their fault, afterall all students are mischevious onlee.

Yes taliban once in a while destroys a whole market full of shoppers but they are not to blame. Wont you people have the same feeling after seeing the prices of goods sky rocket? Would you not want to kill these jewish and bania shopkeepers? Dont tell me NO, i know you do but only the courageous people like taliban are capable executing such pure tasks. You people should be thankful to them but RAWA agents like pervez are fond of criticizing the taliban for no reason.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Lilo » 28 Nov 2009 12:28

sanjaykumar wrote: The jihadis are Pakistan's problem to solve, once that is done it can pull out of POK we can all have a referendum.


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how come you, a member having 700 odd posts suddenly gets an urge to dish out such a base intent ?
hope some mods quickly clean this crap :roll:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Nov 2009 13:30

Acharya wrote:
Gagan wrote:What hoodboy doesn't realize or doesn't want to admit is that:

1. The terrorists have discovered the Munafiqs in pakistan because they can't reach the kafirs across the border and across the world to kill. Their action against the munafiqs is the direct result of their falling success rate against the kafirs.

Where was he in the last 30 years when these same jihadis were training and attacking India and others. Did the elite protest against these jihadis and now they want India to cooperate and help to go after these same jihadis.


Clearly, hudabaiyah is being practised here.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Tamang » 28 Nov 2009 14:08

Has this been posted?

Daniel Pearl's killer almost triggered an Indo-Pak war

NEW DELHI: In a shocking disclosure, it has come to light that the hoax caller who tried to spark off a war between India and Pakistan by threatening Pakistani President Asif Zardari pretending to be foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee was British jihadi and Daniel Pearl's killer Omar Sheikh.

Sheikh, currently in Hyderabad jail in Pakistan after being convicted for the the murder of Pearl, the American journalist who was working on an expose of Pak-based terror groups, used a UK registered SIM card to place a call to Zardari, according to a report in Dawn, a Pakistani English daily newspaper. The report also mentions that the London School of Economics-trained jihadi tried to also speak to Mukherjee pretending to be Zardari. Though Sheikh could not get through to Mukherjee, he managed to speak with the chief of Pakistan army, Ashfaq Kiyani.


If true.... :eek:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Nov 2009 14:14

Tamang, yes, it had been posted here before.

The question is how did this guy get the phone numbers of all these top leaders ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Nov 2009 14:25

SSridhar wrote:Tamang, yes, it had been posted here before.

The question is how did this guy get the phone numbers of all these top leaders ?


'pakistan has iron clad command and control systems for its strategic assets'... uh huh? :wink:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Virupaksha » 28 Nov 2009 14:25

SSridhar wrote:Tamang, yes, it had been posted here before.

The question is how did this guy get the phone numbers of all these top leaders ?

Nope,

Getting a top leader number is not too difficult especially if you want to get it. The question is how could an internal call be thought out as an international call and that too can be interpreted as a call routed from delhi govt itself - or the above is a load of BS and it was a kiddo attempt to shout "ooh we can go nuke war if you retaliate for Mumbai".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Philip » 28 Nov 2009 14:33

Irfan Hussein is a sober Pak scribe from the Dawn,who lives abroad most of the time with his firang wife.It gives him a perspective on Pak that most of his countrymen cannot see,being too deep underground in the pit they have dug for themselves.He has often bemoaned the fate of his country and its myopic leadership,political and military.If however,it is indeed true as he writes,that the political parties and military in Pak do genuinely want "peace" with India,then why has the entire Paki establishment been so silent and non-cooperative on handing over the perpetrators of 26/11 and other ungodly species like Dawood to India? It may truly be the feeling in Paki hearts,to want peace,but Paki heads ,especially those of the military and ISI rule the monster rogue entity with hatred of India in their hearts.

Yes India is enjoying Pak's plunge into the abyss and many Indians must surely desire that it bleeds even more.This morning on a TV channel,4 eminent Indians (Cong and BJP) and Pakis debated the issue.Arun Jaitley put it very neatly to his Paki heads,saying in as many words,that "in the last 20 years,over 100,000 Indian security forces personnel and civilians had lost their lives due to cross border terrorism, and during that time,not a single instance of Paki cooperation was forthcoming in assisting India with fighting that terror".The Pakis had absolutely no answer to that.All that has happened since 26/11 has been a tamasha,fillibustering on legal angles,arguing about diplomatic protocol,wording of statements after meetings,etc.,etc.The stark fact is that Pak cannot hand over anyone to India,or cooperate meaningfully,as the entire structure of the terrorist state will be exposed and even more skeletons might fall out of the cupboard,including plans for future terrorist strikes in the pipeline! With the raison-d'etre of the Paki state,being
India's downfall and destruction.

An opinion in the IExp. said that perhaps India should actually strike at Saudi Arabia,the sponsor of the Wahabi Paki fundoos and chief ideological and monetary sponsor of the fundamentalists there and the ISI.For peace to truly break out,the Paki leopard has to change its spots...or be put down.

Mumbai’s winners & losers By Irfan Husain

Saturday, 28 Nov, 2009 People hold candles in front of the Taj Mahal hotel, one of the sites of the 2008 terror attacks.—AP AS I write this, it is one year to the day since the terrorist atrocity in Mumbai. I watched the city’s three-day ordeal with fascination and horror in Sri Lanka on various news channels.

A year later, perhaps we can look back on the attack with a greater degree of objectivity, and count the winners and the losers.

The real winners, of course, are militant groups, like the Lashkar-i-Taiba, and their shadowy backers in Pakistan. They have achieved what they set out to do: sabotage the peace talks between India and Pakistan. Although these negotiations had not achieved a breakthrough, they had greatly improved relations between India and Pakistan.

The second prize goes to the security establishments in both countries, although this is truer of Pakistan than it is of India where the military is firmly under civilian control. The reality is that soldiers and spies need enemies to justify their lavish budgets. Peace between traditional enemies means cuts in defence, and less toys for the boys.

Obviously, the biggest losers are the victims of the attack, and their friends and families. But the other big losers are the people of the subcontinent. Millions in the region will continue suffering, just because their leaders remain locked in a 60-year old conflict. And when there was a glimmer of hope of some kind of resolution, relations have plunged to a new low.

The militants’ victory is not restricted to poisoning bilateral relations between India and Pakistan: by hitting Mumbai, it has ensured that there will be no cooperation between the two countries in the war against extremism in the foreseeable future.

This is no small victory. The war being waged on the Pak-Afghan border is perhaps the most decisive conflict of our times, and its outcome will affect the region for years to come. In order to combat the Taliban and their various partners effectively, active cooperation between India and Pakistan is crucial.

After the Mumbai attack, India has refused to pursue peace talks, arguing that as long as Pakistan tolerates the presence of terrorist organisations on its soil, there can be no meaningful negotiations. Again and again, the Indian leadership and media have echoed the mantra of Pakistan ‘not doing enough’ against the planners of the Mumbai attack.

In several articles, I have argued that it is precisely because of the atrocity that peace talks need to be pursued with greater focus and political will. Does India really want to hand a major victory to the perpetrators of the attack?

I have also suggested that in order to reassure the Pakistani military that it has nothing to fear on its eastern border, India could easily withdraw one of its divisions deployed there. This would encourage Pakistan to transfer more troops to its northwest where the real battle against extremists is now going on.

Each time I have written along these lines, I have been flooded with emails from India readers, blasting me for daring to make such a suggestion. According to them, Pakistan does not merit such a gesture because it is harbouring terrorists, and because it has long followed policies hostile to India. And for these reasons, they are also against the resumption of peace talks.

They miss the point that one negotiates with one’s adversaries, not one’s friends. And they have the bizarre notion that peace is a reward for good behaviour, not a mutual need. The fact is that India needs peace just as much as Pakistan does. True, it is Pakistan that is currently being battered by an unrelenting wave of terrorism. But a Pakistan destabilised by extremist violence should be New Delhi’s worst nightmare.

Those who think a victorious Taliban would stop their mayhem on Pakistan’s eastern border are living in cloud-cuckoo land. These thugs have no respect for international boundaries, and have repeatedly declared their intention to ‘liberate’ Kashmir. Many of them also want to re-establish Muslim rule over India. These insane goals will ensure that terrorist groups will go on trying to hit Indian targets.

Another reason for India to pursue talks is that as a major regional and global player, the last thing it needs is continuing tension on its borders. When in 2001, a terrorist attack on the Indian parliament caused tensions to rise sharply, a number of multinationals withdrew their executives from India. The bottom line is that the threat of a nuclear exchange is not good for business.

Clearly, then, it should be in India’s interest to support the peace process, irrespective of the attempts made by terrorists to derail it. Indeed, the bloody events of a year ago should act as a spur — not as a reason to suspend negotiations.

In a recent interview in the United States, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh made the point that his government did not know who to speak to in Pakistan. While there is some validity to this observation, it is equally true that there is now an unprecedented desire for peace with India across the political spectrum in Pakistan. This goal is shared by the army leadership. Gen Musharraf genuinely did his best to work out a lasting solution to the Kashmir conflict.

Now, the defence establishment does not need India to justify its budget, given that the whole country views the Taliban as the real foe. It also realises that an armed conflict with India would be suicidal. Both the ruling PPP and the main opposition parties support peace with India.

Unlike in the past, when the real resistance to normalisation came from jingoistic groups as well as the army in Pakistan, it now seems that the stumbling block lies in India. Buoyed by years of rapid development and military expansion, many Indians feel their country no longer needs to consider their smaller neighbour a threat. This is a short-term assessment that ignores the dangers of asymmetrical warfare, and the horrors of terrorism.

India, as the more powerful nation, can afford to make peaceful gestures without endangering its security. The question is whether its economic and military strength have made it self-confident enough to reach out to its deeply troubled neighbour.

Judging from the hysterical coverage of last year’s attack on NDTV — the only Indian channel available to me in Sri Lanka — I fear that both the media and the political leadership will continue gloating over Pakistan’s woes. But while a little schadenfreude, or pleasure over somebody else’s discomfort, is understandable, it is not in India’s long-term interest.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Nov 2009 14:55

^^^ this is a plea for help from the RAPE class
No, India does not need to talk to Pakistan. The RAPE must fight its own fight, against the monster it spawned. Sorry, we cannot help you. If you survive, we will bathe your wounds and feed you, maybe one day you'll stand on your feet and be friendly. If you do not survive and they come for us, we will see them in clear light and we will annihilate them without any further qualms about protecting you. You did not baulk when they killed us, now why do you expect us to pity you?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Charlie » 28 Nov 2009 14:56

Irfan Hussein is a sober Pak scribe from the Dawn,who lives abroad most of the time with his firang wife


There are too many Pakis marrying firangs. The offsprings of these kind like Headley/Gilani have caused a temporary dent to India. But there is a slight chance that a more level headed person who can actually think and keep the tribal Jihadistic tendencies aside and work diligently against India may come from this stable.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Nov 2009 15:35

Philip, the theme is very obvious. Some of these writers, who enjoy slightly more credibility than the usual Pakistani writers, are suggesting the following:
  • Resolving Pakistan's current problem is in India's interest
  • The Taliban are as threatening to India as they are to Pakistan
  • If they overcome the Pakistani state, their next target will be India
  • India must raise the level of confidence of the Pakistani state by taking certain measures
  • Pakistan will concentrate more on eliminating the Taliban

Most of these writers, including Irfan Hussein, avoid mentioning the Punjab-based and India-focussed terrorist tanzeems. They hoodwink the world by using the term 'Taliban' which is pretended to be generically applied but is used only so as to catch the attention of the Western countries and earn brownie points while only Indians know how the Punjabi Taliban threaten India. By suppressing the Punjabi component, the Pakistani intelligentsia are helping the State and the PA to preserve them. Every Pakistani is together in this most ulterior motive.

I do not consider this at all a call or plea for help. This is a Trojan Horse. Most of these termites have been crawling out of the woodworks only after Pakistan began to suffer international isolation after the 1998 coup and the downfall after that. They were quietly enjoying the pain inflicted on India first in the Punjab, then in Kashmir and then all over India. The second attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul is just a month old; Headley/Rana/LeT and most importantly the ISI have been once again plotting to terrorize India, the contours of which are still unfolding. They want us to help them ? It may well be a ploy, knowing fully well, that India will certainly not take the bite and that will give Pakistan an opportunity to claim Indian intransigence in the face of Pakistani earnestness and sincerity. The Pakistani hope is that it will force the US to ask India to go to the negotiating table and that would enable Pakistan to demand concessions from India knowing that it had come to the table under pressure. This was what happened at SeS.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Nov 2009 16:23

Interview with Ms. Afzal Tauseef, the progressive Writer of Pakistan.
Excerpts
The Baloch cause, with its apparently anti-federation, separatist viewpoint, has always won your sympathy. Why?

Because Balochistan took me in when I was homeless, when I had no identity. It nurtured me, gave me an awakening and maturity of thought. I have seen how the rights of the Baloch have been trampled upon. Under such conditions, what do you expect? That they will be appeased by being given a hospital or bags of atta? You have to first dress their wounds, which have been festering for so long. Treat them as a part of Pakistan. By the way, Balochistan came to Pakistan only by one vote and that belonged to Akbar Bugti, who was ultimately annihilated by bombs. You don’t bomb your own countrymen like that.
In spite of all this you went to India to accept an award from the very people who had murdered your family and rendered you homeless ?

The Millennium Award people had arranged a very big function in my honour. I was sitting on the stage when they came up, putting their hands together as a gesture of apology. But I said that if you do so then I will also have to apologise because the same sort of cruelties were perpetuated here against the Sikhs and Hindus. The only difference is that those stories have not been written about on the Pakistani side of the border.
How would you review the academic scene in view of your 35-year experience as an educationist?

Zia-ul-Haq’s period was the darkest. At a personal level, I was haunted by the agencies to the extent that once I escaped by jumping over the walls of neighbouring houses at two in the morning. This led to a long period of hide-and-seek, ending only when I myself surrendered to the ISI in Quetta in order to save my sympathisers.

At the public level, one of the first things Zia did was to get together a bunch of pseudo literateurs and publicly tell them that Progressive literature and thought were mere rubbish that would eat up the system. Waris Mir died of shock when he saw the treatment being meted to progressive thought. But the most direct fallout happened when they started scratching away at the history and literature syllabi. They redesigned courses with the express notion of introducing very warped versions of Islamiyat as a subject. I was a sitting member of the Senate Committee on syllabi planning and I told them explictly that while one could somehow compromise on the removal of Faiz from the syllabi, why had we suddenly taken affront to some very beautiful expressions of Iqbal when in the same breath they continued to maintain that Iqbal gave the idea of Pakistan. When I persisted, they told me that the order for the removal of Iqbal’s verses like “Uththo Meree Dunya Kay Ghareebon Ko Jaga Do” had come from above! I maintained that it was not a divine order. So their next excuse was that Iqbal was too difficult to teach. I offered my services to prepare teachers of Iqbal if that was the problem. The very next day I was informed that I was no longer on the Senate Committee.
Where would you pin the cause for the state of things in Pakistan today?

Jagirdari and the jagirdari mindset, especially as it grew to gather political backing. It cost us a wing of the country. This system is an enemy of those with socially-awakened intellect. Nowhere else in the entire world can you find such an oppressive system. India put an end to it at the very beginning but our leaders continue to nourish it. I personally think that if Nehru had not included land reforms in his programme, Pakistan would never have been created. The country was made so that the jagirdari system could remain intact. The jagirdars, who were all protégées of the British, knew that if left in the Congress fold, they would be wiped out since at that time Marxist thought was moving into the subcontinent. The Muslim League was a product of the British and the land-owning Nawabs. On the other side was America, who wanted something in return for the money it had given to the British during the war. They wanted an area where a new imperialism could be let loose. And this is what continues to this day. Now we are paying for it dearly.
But the initial thought behind Pakistan was La illa ha illallah.

That slogan came much later when Liaquat Ali Khan passed the Qarardad-i-Maqaasid. The Quaid had seen Pakistan as a secular state, but within a year-and-a-half he was almost a helpless prisoner in Ziarat. My father was very close to him and I remember him quoting the Quaid as telling a group of students who had come to visit him in Ziarat, “Where is the Muslim League? This typewriter and myself?” The Quaid had never envisioned the Muslim League as a party of landowners. In fact, he was against the allotment of property to people against claims of things left behind in India during Partition. For this reason the rift between him and Liaquat Ali Khan grew to the extent that they were not even on talking terms towards the end. We all know how he was treated on his final journey from Karachi Airport to the governor general’s house.
What is your greatest concern today?

That Pakistan survives. That it is able to weather all the malicious intent directed at it. That the murder and mayhem rampant across its length and breadth may come to an end. I have always been against military intervention but today, there is so much at stake – the country, the people, the very culture – that I believe the army must act.

I also maintain that along with the overall influence of the imperialist powers in the face of a weakened awam, Mullahism is the most significant threat. Pakistan was not made solely for Muslims. The very fact that Muslims are daily at each other’s throats proves the point that there is no such thing as the Muslim collective. Today, society is just a configuration of the different statuses enjoyed by Muslims … the poor, the rich, the oppressed, the oppressors, the powerful and the powerless.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anishns » 28 Nov 2009 20:57

No IED Mubaraks?
Despite it being bakri-id yesterday? The theme should have been sacrifice a paki instead of bakri :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Paul » 28 Nov 2009 22:57

Irfan Hussein is a sober Pak scribe from the Dawn,who lives abroad most of the time with his firang wife.


His DIL might be Hindu. Her name is Sheela/Sheila???


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby shynee » 29 Nov 2009 04:17

Krishna gives a skip to Qureshi, chill deepens
A year after the Mumbai attacks, foreign ministers of India and Pakistan were in the capital of Trinidad and Tobago, but did not meet for any talks, indicating a deepening chill in their ties.

With India making it clear that Pakistan needs to do more to punish the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks and dismantle the sanctuaries for terrorists, there was little hope of any attempt at diplomatic contact to resume the stalled dialogue.

'Pakistan has done little to address our concerns. There is little to be achieved by another meeting,' official sources said.

Indian External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna and his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi were in the Trinidad capital to attend the foreign ministers meeting of the Commonwealth countries.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Kedar » 29 Nov 2009 05:15

Once a Paki always a moron - Wiseman enqyoob saar I believe who said that.

However, I will repeat my observation repeated earlier on BR in other threads.

There are two types of Pakistanis; secular and non-secular. Secular Pakistanis only hate Hindus, Sikhs, India and Indians. Nowadays some Jews and Israel as well. Non-secular Pakis hate everyone else including Christians, Americans, Russians, Shias. So from an Indian especially the Hindu perspective there is no difference between the two. In fact, a non-secular Paki is a known devil and at least some other people in the world might feel our pain. With these secular types all we get is some sweet talk but the real ugliness of Paki bigotry gets brushed under the carpet.

These secular type Pakis like Pervez Huddabaiyaboy and Irfan Hussain are no different. It is possible that HoodwinkBoy might not be a jehadi but like our Indian psecs might be working for the Americans or the Chinese. Weaken both India and TSP under this piss-process talk and disarm both. For TSP it does not matter because they will have a godfather and will GUBO anyway. For India it will get much weaker.

I am glad that Chindu published this article. Inadvertently, it ended up showing the fiendish side of Hoodwink Boy to many Indians who get fooled by his so-called liberal stance. As to Hussain marrying a firangi wife; if we think some Indians have a fascination for white skin, you haven't seen the Pakis.

On this auspicious Id-Ul-Adha day I say to all my Pakis brothers and sisters. IED Mubarak. May you get more and more IEDs throughout the year.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Gagan » 29 Nov 2009 06:08

The problem is whon do you talk to in Pakistan.

Zardari and Gilani are temporary figures there - here today gone tomorrow.
Kiyani is just the COAS, although he has the power to put a spoke in the wheels of whatever the politicians do, and he has his finger in every pie within pakistan, he is these days hiding behind the democracy facade.

GoI can't talk to Kiyani directly because of protocol issues (and I doubt any COAS of India will sit down with him, unless he wants to do what niazi saab did in 71 :P )

It is said that issues like the sir creek at least can be settled if someone responsible enough and someone who can guarantee implementation and continuity across governments comes up from the pakistan side. The sir creek thing results in several fishermen ending up being arrested and locked up on both sides. On the Indian side there is the everpresent threat of terrorists coming into India from the Pakistan side. Perhaps the pakistani fauj want to maintain this ambiguity, so that friction always remains.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby shiv » 29 Nov 2009 06:40

Charlie wrote:
Irfan Hussein is a sober Pak scribe from the Dawn,who lives abroad most of the time with his firang wife


There are too many Pakis marrying firangs. The offsprings of these kind like Headley/Gilani have caused a temporary dent to India. But there is a slight chance that a more level headed person who can actually think and keep the tribal Jihadistic tendencies aside and work diligently against India may come from this stable.



This is absolutely correct. How true this is really struck home while reading a book that I will not name yet because it's review will appear on here. The RAPE have - right from he 1950s and 60s gone to ton wooing nd marrying women in the west and charming them with their Sultan like RAPE estates with servants et al.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby shiv » 29 Nov 2009 06:47

SSridhar wrote:I do not consider this at all a call or plea for help. This is a Trojan Horse.


The article is a load of tripe. First it does and equal equal between the Indian armed forces and the Paki armed forces. And then it goes on to say that India should help the Paki armed forces do some other job. The man is now senile.

Pakistaniat has run riot and it is up to Pakis to deal with it. Pakisani "militants" are the messengers of islam. If the Paki army wants to fight them or if Irfan wotzisname wants that fight to happen - Pakis have to do it themselves.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Prem » 29 Nov 2009 06:51

I dont know why Fudduboy think Jihadis will be able to cross the border. Did they forget 47 Phanding? We in BR have been waiting for true Islam to come to Pakistan so we can witness the great event. Now there is a real possibility to practice Islam =Pakistan and they want us to pull them out of this shitpit. I think India should start installing Machine Guns at every 100 yards on Western border so any Abdul coming this way get his due Mahaparsad. We have no place for retards.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby shiv » 29 Nov 2009 07:01

PM Gilani's PRO acknowledges Headley is his half-brother :D
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 279776.cms
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's public relations officer has acknowledged that David Coleman Headley, a terror suspect detained in the US, is his half-brother but dismissed as incorrect reports that his family is related to the premier.


So boob squeezer's aide is related to Daood Headley

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Gagan » 29 Nov 2009 07:03

Prem wrote:I think India should start installing Machine Guns at every 100 yards on Western border so any Abdul coming this way get his due Mahaparsad.


:rotfl:
Bismillah !

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 29 Nov 2009 07:11

Hmmm...I often think the true American heroes of the Japanese homeland firebombing were the ones who jettisoned their bomb loads short of the cities, knowing they may be court-martialled.

Would YOU be able to machine gun those refugees, women and children included? If not why expect it of the soldier?

This is going to be a demographic nightmare for India. Perhaps the end of India as we know it. It is the refugees that frighten me more than the jihadis.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby munna » 29 Nov 2009 07:55

sanjaykumar wrote:Would YOU be able to machine gun those refugees, women and children included? If not why expect it of the soldier?
This is going to be a demographic nightmare for India. Perhaps the end of India as we know it. It is the refugees that frighten me more than the jihadis.


Sanjayji (and all fellow Rakshaks) I shall answer your post with a nice anecdote which has been passed down in my family for generations.
In ancient and medieval India Varanasi and Kashmir were two main centres of studies in Hinduism. Hindus used to go and study at these two centres to become priests, ayurvedacharyas or teachers. My great grand father went to one such Gurukul and studied under a teacher whose patron was Kashi naresh. The teacher of my ancestor was in turn schooled under a great sage of his times and thus was a revered "Prakand Pandit" of Varanasi. Once the British had defeated the last vestiges of Mughal empire and installed the Dogras as the rulers of Kashmir, the then Maharaja of Kashmir wanted to reverse the ethno-cultural genocide of Aurangzeb by asking all the newly converted Brahmins in Kashmir to revert to their original faith since the tyrant forces were gone!

The Maharaja sent a delegation of Kashmiri Brahmins to Kashi to seek the advice of all the learned men in the holy seat of Hinduism. The priests/gurus/brahmins of Kashi refused to welcome their brethren back into the faith calling them "Patit" or "Fallen" and one of the people of who gave this opinion was sage mentioned earlier.

This one incident tells us to not shunt out people from our fold for they may then have no recourse thereon.

The refugees should be "guided" as we did earlier to reconstruct a secular "West India" or " Republics of Sindhudesh, West Punjab and Balochistan". I am not talking conversion of faith here but conversion of values and beliefs by appropriate "guidance" let us not be led by fear and apprehension. Let us summon courage and meet the "useful" people halfway. We need to gun down the ideology of TSP and not its citizenry. With fall of Dubai and strong fissures in Pakistan let us the take a lead on the matters to the west of our country and no longer embrace dogma. Its time to be bold and decisive and thankfully the guy in charge is anything but conventional. MMS over to you now . . . Jai Hind

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby munna » 29 Nov 2009 08:08

Gagan wrote:
Prem wrote:I think India should start installing Machine Guns at every 100 yards on Western border so any Abdul coming this way get his due Mahaparsad.


:rotfl:
Bismillah !

Just to add to that how about promising land reforms and an equitable distribution of natural resources amongst the citizens of the new republics of West India? Nothing works like Baki RAPEs finding there own Musharraffs on fire by their deprived compatriots!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby shiv » 29 Nov 2009 08:53

Munna you are 20 years ahead of your time.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby munna » 29 Nov 2009 09:02

shiv wrote:Munna you are 20 years ahead of your time.


Shivji one thing that I have learnt from our history is that we tend to give up on people all too soon and this tendency hits us back down the line. Let it be 20 years or x number of years from now but I pledge to keep dreaming and propagating the ideas of a reformed " Federated Republic of West India" under the the grand federation of "United States of Indian Subcontinent or USIS" it may be realizable in myriad forms but it will happen. Our tryst with destiny will only be fulfilled that day.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby arun » 29 Nov 2009 09:05

Is it not a haraam practice for the worlds first IEDological Muslim State to permit the screening of kaafir produced movies on IED?:

No Pakistani flicks this Eid

New cinemas cannot screen local movies because of low-quality prints

By Ali Usman

LAHORE: Indian movies are back in business and are set to take the lead in all cinemas of the city, with no Pakistani movie being screened on Eid, sources told Daily Times.

Although four Pakistani movies – Husan Parast, Madam X, Gujjar Badshah (Punjabi), Wehshi Badmash (Punjabi) – will be released on Eid, yet no cinema across the city is screening these movies.

Cinemas, including DHA Cinema, Sozo World, Cine Star and Metropole, will only screen Indian and English movies on Eid. Currently, three new Indian movies ‘Jail’, ‘Tum Mile’ and ‘De Dana Dun’ are running. Two more Indian movies were scheduled to be released on Eid, however, the Ministry of Culture did not issue a No-Objection Certificate (NOC) for them, sources told Daily Times. Cinema owners and film distributors told Daily Times that cinemas would remain closed on Eid if no Indian movies were screened. ………………

Daily Times

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 29 Nov 2009 10:04

Wehshi Badmash

Aapki tarif nahi bhi karte to pechhan ja te.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 29 Nov 2009 10:27

One pooki asks: Is Jinnah being sidelined?

A LETTER by M. Shafique Ahmad (Nov 17) reveals how a book printed and published by the Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, devotes chapters to other Pakistani leaders while Jinnah is restricted to a small photograph with a small quote on the inner cover page. This book is prescribed for Class VI and is in use at schools. This appears to be a deliberate attempt to sideline Jinnah and his importance in Pakistan.


Books on Pakistan history and studies do not do justice to Jinnah’s immense contribution.


Is Jinnah being downplayed to achieve a political purpose? Will Jinnah hold the field as a central figure in Pakistan around whom the public will rally and seek emergence out of the present turmoil and chaos?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 29 Nov 2009 11:12

anupmisra wrote:One pooki asks: Is Jinnah being sidelined?
Of course, Jinnah needs to be sidelined because in a society and in a nation with ever increasing piety and fundamentalism, Jinnah would stand out as a sore thumb eventhough he opportunistically used Islam to create Pakistan. Maulana Mawdudi called him Kafir-e-Azam and Jama'at-Ulema-e-Islami (JUI), the other clerical party, never accepted Jinnah as the founder of Pakistan. Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman refuses to have the portrait of Jinnah in his Parliamentary chamber. He was Leader of Opposition in the previous regime and he is the head of the parliamentary Kashmir Committee now. In circa 2007, JUI released a list of real heroes of Pakistan and Jinnah was omitted with the explanation that "Jinnah and his companions would not be commemorated because they had not done anything for Islam. Jinnah was not imprisoned during the independence struggle. That is why he did nothing worth remembering,”

National Poet Allama Iqbal was also declared kafir by the same clergy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby vavinash » 29 Nov 2009 11:35

The most worrying new coming from pakistan is lack of IED mubaraks. I hope they start again with full fervour after eid celebrations.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Hari Seldon » 29 Nov 2009 12:33

vavinash wrote:The most worrying new coming from pakistan is lack of IED mubaraks. I hope they start again with full fervour after eid celebrations.


Amen.

I like the smell of napalm-e-TSP early in the morning. Sad to see this morning's coffee taste less than great.... :cry:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby rajpa » 29 Nov 2009 12:39

i seriously suspect that there will be no napalm-e-tsp for a long time to come... the tspa strato was to get into talib land but not seriously damage or cause attrition to the faithful. the talib are now in the mountains and will stay there with diet supplements aka kajoor and kismiss, courtesy of the tspa... so all is well in pureland... except for a few dhamakas and post-diwali celebrations.... the long haul strategy is to wait for the americans to get out of the area...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby abhishek_sharma » 29 Nov 2009 15:54

I hope this hasn't been posted here:

From http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/magazine/29Biden-t.html

Biden does not view the Taliban as synonymous with Al Qaeda and does not appear to believe that it would be a calamity if the Taliban increased its presence in the Afghan countryside (though he is not prepared to see Kabul or other major urban centers fall). If Al Qaeda can be bottled up on the border with Pakistan through counterterrorism measures involving troops as well as drone attacks, and with the help of an expanded Afghan army, then it is unnecessary to build a secure Afghanistan that can defeat the Taliban. And then you could focus instead on the greater danger — Pakistan. “I’m going to ask you a question,” Biden said. “If I said to you right now, We can send $30 billion a year to Pakistan, or $30 billion to Afghanistan, which would you pick? Every goddamn person says, ‘Pakistan.’ So I say, ‘O.K., guys, we should be talking about a PakAf policy, not an AfPak policy.’ ”


So, they want to give even more money to Pakistan!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Guddu » 29 Nov 2009 16:50

vavinash wrote:The most worrying new coming from pakistan is lack of IED mubaraks. I hope they start again with full fervour after eid celebrations.


Looks like the army is not pressurizing the talibs, and in return peace returns. This will provide the talibs to lick their wounds, recoup and start again in a week or two. I think the world awaits ombaba's fak-ap policy review. The TSPA wants to know how long the US will stay, how many troops will be added. This will allow TSPA and the talibs to review their options.

If the US policies turn the heat on the talib in Afghanistan, they will move enmasse to pak. The US will next twist Paki arms for continued action on the "good talib". the pakis will respond by twisting the bad talib's tail...and the cycle will continue.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 29 Nov 2009 17:26

In both Rah-e-Rast and Rah-e-Nijat operations, the PA claimed that they had killed the Taliban, but except on one or two rare occassions, they never showed killed/captured Taliban to the Press. The top commanders were never captured. The Rah-e-Nijat has now come to an end after about 4 weeks of operation. The winter will start now and there will be no further operations until February/March. That will enable the Taliban to reappear and re-occupy the vacated areas. This is the period that Pakistan will utilize to claim having broken the back of the Taliban after determinedly engaging them. They will demand concessions from the US and through them from India. The constant chatter and references among the Pakistani diaspora and analysts etc to the defeat of the Taliban in FATA has this ulterior motive. There won't be any further movement in the ATC about the 26/11 terrorists either because whatever has been done already is receiving widespread approval and that is enough for Pakistan to milk the US and put pressure on India. Pakistan always produces a highly calibrated response to Indian demands.


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