Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby shiv » 06 Dec 2009 06:30

sanjaykumar wrote:I am beginning to wonder if RAW/CIA is not behind the devastating assaults on the PA in Pakistani cities. Given the history of these organisations it is not implausible.


We are a poor country
We are a peaceful country
We believe in friendship and cooperation
We do not condone such heinous acts no matter where they are conducted
We have suffered enough violence to know better
India is not responsible.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby ppatil » 06 Dec 2009 06:49

The Demons That Haunt the Pakistanis

“It’s coming from Americans, Jews and Indians,” he said. “It’s an axis of evil that’s being supervised by you people.”


He asserted that the American security company formerly known as Blackwater, a favorite target of criticism for ultranationalists, rented a house next to his, and that its employees had been trying to lure his servants with sweets, alcohol and “McDonald’s food every Sunday.”


Conspiracy theories are pervasive in Pakistan, and Ms. Alvi offered an explanation. They are a projection, she said — a defense mechanism that protects one’s psyche from something too difficult to accept. “It’s not me, it’s you,” she said. “It’s a denial of personal responsibility, which goes a long way to cripple our growth.”


The usual conspiracy theories - YYY, Unkil, Blackwater. The last quote sums up TSP thinking

I am glad that such articles are now appearing in US MSM :) .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 06 Dec 2009 06:55

Okay so I goes to Pakdefanddumb after a year beacuse someone referenced it a page ago.

Aslanus Aslanus


PM Manmohan Singh is a coward with weak heart! Hindu slave doing a mis-adventure will make them remember for their present existence that they touched a wrong country this time with an overt attack.

Surely US, UK, Israel will be supporting India this time! No doubt the advantages are with India. Long term future is US-India alliance though!

Blaming to neigbours and calling to destroy them persistently makes their new master US feel happy and US donates the slave with nuclear deals, jobs, space tech etc etc! India is just fooling the Americans as long as the Americans are willing to live in dillusion about their honey money partner stratagic alliance.



The only thing that makes sense is the guy's name-asli anus.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Gagan » 06 Dec 2009 07:08

anupmisra wrote:
Gagan wrote:I think no one in pakistan is serious about that country's future.


Kufr, have you forgotten Zaid Hamid (pbuh), the future mahdi? His coming will mark the start of a new glorious paki era.

Bismilla,
How could this na-cheez forget the mehdi hain ji? Mulaiza Farmaiye:
Gagan wrote:2. For the middle classes and the youth, there are the wild stories spun by the likes of Jahil Hamid.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby harbans » 06 Dec 2009 07:15

wrt the NYT article, i posted this a few pages back
And who decides who is pious or not?

The Book. However much newer converts may convulate logic, they cannot beat the doctrine. The Taliban were named exactly because they were Islamic students and there leaders were theologians. Mullah Omar, Bin Laden and Zawahari know their book and it's requirements to the T. Musharaff and PA Generals probably not that much. Denaiability arises from that very fundamental..no it just cannot be so. It's not possible the doctrine says so. Thats why the stress on the RoP even as bombs, murder, mayhem and beheadings go on all around.


There's a reason why Kiyani reiterated 'strongly' Pakistan is Islam rhetoric after the Mosque bomb.

Many Pakistanis have a bitter view of America. Conspiracy theories are rife. The bloody partition from India left scars that are difficult for foreigners to understand.


And does the author mean to say only Pakistan was scarred? I thought there is a saying Pakistan has ke liya, Kashmir ladke lenge..Paki's were hardly scarred by the bloodshed. They rooted for it, participated with enthu and look forward to more of it. Foreigners surely do not understand the Paki psyche as yet.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby vishwakarmaa » 06 Dec 2009 08:36

NikhilB wrote:
Raju wrote:
Al-Qaeda is that section of jihadi or ISI puppets who are supportive of CIA or are agreeable to do their work.


I am afraid. Are we too going into too many conspiracy theories, a disease fully spread into pakis, while it could be more obvious and simpler. Agree that Al-Qaeda is section of ISI, but then assumming them to be supporting of CIA does not make sense, to me at least. Why would US then spend billions, loose their people, drain other resources if Al-Qaeda/taliban are supported by them, though in past CIA created them.


Good question.

Because USA pretends to be a messiah of democratic world and it needs valid reasons to wage wars, invade countries and have military presence in purposefully "destablized" regions(funds rouge regims, elements through CIA) to spread its influence on future power centers in Asia, Middle East and every corner of world.

That's how it got access to Iraqi Oil wells. Where are WMD's? "Democracy" was only an excuse to invade Iraq. This is not conspiracy but reality. For naive people, anything outside CNN,BBC is conspiracy.

Right now, Bush or Fobama doesn't matter, there is consensus within USA that its in American interest to keep an anti-Indian Nuclear army alive in Sub-continent, at any cost. China and USA have common missions in this respect. USA can afford a powerful China but it can't afford powerful China+ "unchecked" powerful India. Pak Army is a "check" on India.

Many naive people think USA is some kind of saint. Read about how USA funded separatists, anti-Indian movements in Kashmir since 1950's and geopolitics behind India-POK-Caucasian Oil routes.

If Americans can nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki and then go around taking pride in it, that shows what kind of culture they are from. Many educated Indian elites are not aware of Gora's mentality yet. They are still living in deception and love to ape any CNN,BBC line of thought blindly.

These "civilized" elites are similar to those in New York and Washington, who doesn't care why Iraq was bombed as far as their life goes on as usual. They whine only when they see dead American soldiers bodies. But, Iraqi women,kids dead bodies isn't a worry, 10 years of military occupation isn't a worry.

Imagine reactions of newyorkers if they are brought under foreign military occupation for even 1 year. And, then imagine Iraqis. And, think of Afghanis who were destroyed by CIA funded warlords.

If USA was really interested about "democracies" then they should have funded Afghan Army rather than funding ISI sponsored militia to fight with Russia. Clearly, the purpose was to install puppet warlords in Afghan and not bringing democracy into region. But, common sense is not so common and elites miss to see such simple things. Rather, they outsource "analysis" and "thinking" job to CNN, BBC analysts and believe their words.

If Americans are interested in a democratic world, as they pretend to be, then they should first sell a few F-16's to democratic government of Afghanistan and train their Army, airforce. That will restore power-balance in the region, and will ensure stability in region. But they won't do it. You know why. Because Karzai is not American puppet and he will use those planes to push US army out of his country. And, not to mention, what will happen to (American state)Pakistan thereafter. :rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby arun » 06 Dec 2009 09:01

X Posted.

The practitioners of “Jihad in the path of Allah” have their snouts deeply embedded in the trough of the public exchequer

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan it appears that the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army are no less adept at milking the public exchequer for personal gain than their underlings, the Politicians:

Five generals also got their loans written off.

Sunday, December 06, 2009

By Rauf Klasra

ISLAMABAD: If you thought that only civilian and politicians got billions of rupees worth of loans written off from state-owned banks, you thought wrong.

Records now show that many top military officers got their loans written off. This lucky lot included five lieutenant generals, two major generals and a battalion of other senior uniformed beneficiaries, with some Army (mis)managed institutions to boot.

The Army controlled institutions also got their share from the national plunder with the Army Welfare Trust (AWT) got a massive loan written off worth Rs 14.49 million from a state-owned financial entity, which is now defunct (hardly a surprising fate). ……………………..

According to the official list of loan write-off beneficiaries tabled in the National Assembly, Lt General (retd) Ali Kuli Khan and his father Lt General Habibullah Khan had their loans written off. General Kuli had shot to prominence when he was ignored by the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif in favour of Gen Musharraf in a bid to succeed General Jehangir Karamat as the next COAS ………………………….

Lt General (retd) K M Azhar, who later became active in politics, of Rex Breen Batteries got Rs16 million written off by the Agriculture Development Bank. His business partners were Misbah Azhar, Sward Azhar, Ahmed Jamal Siddiqui, Syed Ijaz Ahmed Hashmi, Mauro Dr Bashir Ahmed.

Lt General (retd) SA Burkey and Lt General (retd) Safdar Butt also figure amongst the happy generals benefiting from the state institutions generosity.

Another prominent name on the list is that of Air Marshal (retd) A Rahim Khan.

Air Marshal (retd) Viqar Azeem also got Rs15 million written off from Pakistani Kuwait Investment Co. Lt General (retd) SA Burkey, Major General Zahid Ali Akbar, Brig MM Mahmood, Begum Omar Mahmood, Saeed Ahmed also got loans written off.

Gohar Ayub Khan, brother of General Kuli Khan—Raza Kuli Khan also got a loan of Rs7.2 million written off against Rehana Woolen Mills. Tariq Ayub Khan, Zahid Ahsan, Ahsan Khan were the directors of the mills whose loan was written off by the financial institution SAPICO.

Major General (retd) M Mumtaz from Abbottabad, Lt Colonel (retd) Shaukat and Major (retd) Tajuddin Rs1.2 million, Major General (retd) Ghaziuddn are also in the list. Major General (retd) G Umar also got Rs8.5 million written off from the Agriculture Development Bank.

Lt General (retd) Safdar Butt, Major General (retd) Abdullah Malik, Brig (retd) M M Mahmood, Col (retd) M Zafar Khan, Mohammad Afzal Khan, Mrs Hamida Farhat also got benefits from the UBL. General (retd) Abdullah had resigned after the military coup of General Zia and had opposed the military take over of July 1977. ………………………….

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby vishwakarmaa » 06 Dec 2009 09:19

In my opinion, 26/11 was done under chatrachhaya of CIA maai-baap. And its purpose is to delink Yindoo elites from Middle East/Arab Businesses.

The union of Yindoo business and dubai,UAE,oil businesses is not a good signal for london and washington monopoly. Yindoo has superior tech.+management and middle east has huge oil resources. Alliance make sense.

First Western politicians forces Yindoos(Reliance, L&T etc.) to abandon business alliances with huge contracts in Iran. Now, through 26/11 attack West is sending a signal to Yindoos, "abandon Arabs, they are bad. Leave them to us. Leave Iran region to us. Its belongs to West."

Attack on Yindoo elite businessmen at Taj is a perfect way to put a spanner in the regional block alliances in making, which can rival the Western business monopoly.

Its not surprising that despite having biggest oil resources, the region is burning because West has continuously armed one country against another. Same game has been played in subcontinent and still it goes on. But we never open eyes.

The day OPEC decides to sell oil in non-American currencies, it will be start of World-war III, objective will be same as in Iraq war - "to preserve American power at any cost to humanity".
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Vivek_A » 06 Dec 2009 09:22

Shrill has gone off the deep end ever since she's taken over as editor of the nutty nation. Notice how she pushed out Monica.

Carnage at 'Pindi
But that would not answer several other questions. The well-known reality that the militants use American and Indian arms and equipment would tend to cast a shadow on the intentions of the occupation forces across the border. Interior Minister Rehman Malik, in his reaction, referred to the flow of arms from Afghanistan and the capture of two trucks carrying Indian branded ammunition by Pakistan when they were trying to cross the frontier at Barra. How could India smuggle arms into Afghanistan and then transport them to FATA without the connivance of such a large US-led NATO force in occupation of the country? The question simply cannot be brushed aside, neither by Washington nor Islamabad, especially when the mastermind of attacks on brigadiers earlier in Islamabad, who was caught the other day, has confessed to having links with Inter-Risk, that points to the US desire to keep Pakistan destabilised. We must take up the matter in strong terms to bring home to the US that the situation cannot be allowed to persist, if it wants our cooperation.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby arun » 06 Dec 2009 09:24

Max Boot in Commentary Magazine presses for visits by Pakistan’s National Bird to Quetta :

Time to Take the Gloves Off in Pakistan

Max Boot - 12.04.2009 - 10:19 AM

For years the U.S. has been carrying out Predator strikes against Islamist terrorists in Pakistan — but only in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. The rest of Pakistan has been out of bounds, including Baluchistan, where in the city of Quetta, the Afghan Taliban have established their operational headquarters. That may be changing. The New York Times reports today: “American officials are talking with Pakistan about the possibility of striking in Baluchistan for the first time — a controversial move since it is outside the tribal areas — because that is where Afghan Taliban leaders are believed to hide.”

It’s about time. In a Times op-ed today, RAND’s Seth Jones quotes a Marine he met in Helmand Province: “The Taliban sanctuary in Baluchistan is catastrophic for us. Local Taliban fighters get strategic and operational guidance from across the border, as well as supplies and technical components for their improvised explosive devices.” .........................

Commentary Magazine

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Jarita » 06 Dec 2009 09:41

Vsihwakarma
I was abt to ask the same question - was 26/11 a western/ISI operation to push India into AFpak.
Have also tried to proble why those specific hotels - why not the others.
To be honest - big orchestrated attacks appear to be beyond the ambit of the jihadis running around in the region, unless there are intelligence agencies behind. Likewise with 9/11 - impossible to make it happen with just the jihadis orchestrating it.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 06 Dec 2009 10:09

An Indian Reader asks Questions

An Indian point of view
Posting in full.

THIS is apropos of your editorial, ‘A simplistic view’ (Nov 28). There are merits to the arguments that have been made in the editorial. It is a fact that a ‘no dialogue’ situation helps the ‘murderous yahoos’ (in Mr Shafi’s words) the most.

Hence India and Pakistan should talk.

But there are also other simple common questions that pop up in one’s mind which, I am surprised, none of the Pakistani media has raised so far.

For example, Manmohan Singh in his US visit made a comment that he has no partner in Pakistan to discuss peace with. The above statement has not been countered by the Pakistani media. This is one of the many fundamental questions that pop up in a common Indian’s mind that is somehow missing in the Pakistani mindset. Some of the others are:

a. What is the guarantee that ‘murderous yahoos’ will stop targeting India after the resolution of Kashmir issue when the Pakistani government has openly admitted that the non-state actors are uncontrollable and LeT has openly stated that its aim is to capture Delhi?

b. What is the guarantee that the army will support the civilian government for any deal with India when it is not even agreeing to a civilian control of the Inter Services Intelligence which is a governmental agency? What stops the Pakistan army plan for another Kargil?

c. What will happen if there is another 26/11 during or after the negotiations and the evidences lead to the doorstep of Mudrike?

d. Here comes the mother of all fundamental questions: “What has Pakistan got to offer other than geostrategic position and a nuclear arsenal? :rotfl:

e. Forget India, why should any country go to great lengths to patch up a great relationship with Pakistan?

Currently it looks as if in a negotiation Pakistan has got to benefit much more than any partnering country that is sitting on the opposite side of the table.

Hence it is not just the past that is hanging on in the minds of Indians, but equally also the uncertain future due to a murky Pakistani political atmosphere.

This is why there is a positive move towards negotiations though there are issues with China. The US, which was not so trusted a friend yesterday, has become a big partner. And relationship with Pakistan remains where it is.

The first stage in any negotiations is to state clearly what you have got to offer that is positive and not offer ‘reducing the negatives’ that comes later in the ‘give and take’. In other words, stop pointing a gun at your own heads while trying to negotiate with the Indians.

If Pakistan can show it, then I guess India will have no choice but to talk.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 06 Dec 2009 10:12

The upside of downside
One way to make a porki feel better.

Blasts at security check-posts:

The media should create awareness on how we as a nation stand against terrorism. Bomb blasts that go off on security check-posts are indeed tragic, but the media can help us in being optimistic by stating how much more unfortunate it could have been if the security check post was not there. The media should play a positive role in uniting us against terrorism. The lives of the security forces lost in the fight should not go unnoticed. :rotfl:

HASAAN SAEED

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 06 Dec 2009 10:27

Remember those Motorbike MotorMas that porkiland had recruited to become traffic cops? They have, er..., vanished.

Where have all female traffic officers gone?

At first they were a source of delight for women :eek: and curiosity for men (especially porkis who were used to staring at goats)


The only odd aspect of their behaviour was that more and more of them began wearing ‘allergy masks’ and it was figured that they were using them to hide their faces from curious stares rather than because they were allergic to something like dust and dirt!


Where are they? It would be interesting to know their fate!


Or maybe it is not the PPP, which is to blame but the PML-N, which rules the roost in Punjab. We all know that this party is not as progressive as far as women’s issues are concerned since its founding fathers sided with president Zia-ul Haq during his eleven year rule, when women were subjected to discriminatory laws and men were flogged for standing up to the system and saying ‘no.’
Ah! Good ol'days.

Some of the rules that were laid down were so petty they boggled the mind — for instance wearing a sari to office or official function was forbidden !


Whatever the case may be, it would be nice if the female wardens came back to ‘man’ the roads again. There were a number of benefits of having them around the least not being that they did help women and children; were quite good at their job and their presence did mitigate somewhat the negative picture the international community has of the country being anti-women and discriminatory in its policies as far as matters regarding women are concerned.


Again, that image thing.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 06 Dec 2009 10:30

Explains Pooki Behaviour

Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder linked with ‘emptier brains’

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 06 Dec 2009 10:35

Nawaz for enhanced Canadian cooperation to make the visa process easier.
Unbelievable! That Canadian visa thing again.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2009 10:41

Everyone involved in Murtaza Bhutto murder case acquitted
The cops fired at Murtaza Bhutto's cavalcade and killed him and a few others. Those in Murtaza Bhutto's cavalcade fired at the the police and killed a few. All of them are released now for want of evidence. Case closed. No assassination case of political leaders in Pakistan has ever been concluded and report produced and culprits hanged. Remember that Pakistan has one of the highest rates of awarding and carrying out capital punishment in the world. Whether it was Liaquat Ali Khan (many say even Quaaid-e-Azam) or Shahid Hussain Suhrawardy, or Zia, or Gen. Janjua or Benazir, nothing has been solved.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2009 10:45

Pakistan cannot oppose drone attacks by the US in Balochistan because it pays money to TSP: Balochistan Governor
I don't know whether he said in sarcasm or not, but this is what he said
Pakistan cannot oppose US drone strikes in Balochistan as Washington can do “whatever it pleases” because it is “paying money” to the country, Balochistan Governor Zulfiqar Magsi said on Saturday.

Talking to reporters after chairing a seminar at a local hotel, Magsi said Pakistan did not have an option in the matter. “You cannot oppose someone who pays you money. The US is paying money to Pakistan. How can we oppose it? It will do whatever it pleases,” the governor said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 06 Dec 2009 10:55

Prophet Muhammad ordered Rawalpindi mosque blast: Pak Taliban

Updated on Saturday, December 05, 2009, 12:51 IST

Rawalpindi: The Tehreeke-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has taken responsibility for Friday’s ghastly suicide attack on the Parade Lane mosque, saying the mosque was “demolished on the orders of Prophet Muhammad”.

TTP chief Waliur Rehman Mehsud told the BBC that the prime target in the attack were military officers, and warned about more such attacks on Army personnel in the near future.

“Our militants attacked the military officers (our primary target) and we will continue to attack the Army. The civilians killed in the attack were relatives of Army personnel and their deaths did not matter,” Mehsud said.

At least 39 people were killed and 45 others injured in the suicide attack carried out by three attackers.

According to media reports, two-star generals were among the people killed in the attack.

The Dawn reported that a colonel also died in the attack while several senior military officers, including a former vice army chief, retired general Mohammad Yousuf, were among the injured.


Purelanders are not pure anymore, Taliban can talk to the prophet and follow his orders while the pakistan army talks to obama and follows his order. :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Jarita » 06 Dec 2009 11:05

Old video
Pakis are pissed off with Rahul Gandhis statement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJR4x3hGlPM

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 06 Dec 2009 11:27

Nandu wrote:Did anybody save the youtube videos from the parade lane mosque attack?


First video can be viewed here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQy5yV2o6z0

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby arun » 06 Dec 2009 12:34

Avinash R wrote:Prophet Muhammad ordered Rawalpindi mosque blast: Pak Taliban

Updated on Saturday, December 05, 2009, 12:51 IST

Rawalpindi: The Tehreeke-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has taken responsibility for Friday’s ghastly suicide attack on the Parade Lane mosque, saying the mosque was “demolished on the orders of Prophet Muhammad”.

TTP chief Waliur Rehman Mehsud told the BBC that the prime target in the attack were military officers, and warned about more such attacks on Army personnel in the near future.

“Our militants attacked the military officers (our primary target) and we will continue to attack the Army. The civilians killed in the attack were relatives of Army personnel and their deaths did not matter,” Mehsud said. [/i]{Snipped}[i]........................


Purelanders are not pure anymore, Taliban can talk to the prophet and follow his orders while the pakistan army talks to obama and follows his order. :((


Sections of the media of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are still slow to grasp that point. The Taliban in the end are perceived by a significant chunk of the citizens of the worlds first “Ideological Muslim State” to number among the purer Muslims and that is why the Muslim clerics of Pakistan are muffled in their condemnation.

Editorial in the News on the Rawalpindi mosque attack where the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan were targeted by their onetime protégés, the ununiformed Islamic Jihadi’s of the TTP:

The beast within

Sunday, December 06, 2009 …………………

It is of course ironic that the killing took place during Friday prayers – marring an occasion that is most sacred to Muslims. The men behind it clearly have no faith, no morals and no humanity. Yet, despite this, condemnation from our religious leaders has been muffled. ……………….

There is every reason to believe they are not Muslim – on the basis that no true believer would be capable of such brutality, for Islam preaches tolerance and peace and love for all. But they are not outsiders planted by enemies. This is a reality we need to accept so that we can combat it. ………………..


And then there is this speculation that the Rawalpindi Mosque strike that the uniformed Islmic Jihadi’s of the Army might have been involved in targeting their own kind:

There is now a growing sense that the militants may have links to the security apparatus. There have been unconfirmed reports that former police or army personnel could be involved.


Read it all:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby ArmenT » 06 Dec 2009 13:09

Regarding that last blast in Peshawar, official cause of explosion isn't an exploding lightbulb any more:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8396722.stm
Investigators quoted by the Associated Press said they found no trace of explosives at the scene of the Peshawar blast.

Several people were seen clinging to windows in one building that was on fire, shouting for help.

Police Chief Liaquat Ali Khan told AP it was an accidental explosion that went off in a shop with paint stored inside, although the exact cause remains unclear.

Now they have exploding paint as well.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby R_Kumar » 06 Dec 2009 13:10

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby shiv » 06 Dec 2009 13:37

arun wrote:
There is now a growing sense that the militants may have links to the security apparatus. There have been unconfirmed reports that former police or army personnel could be involved.



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What utter nonsense. It was RAW. And Mossad. :x

Also
The time has come to contemplate what can be done to ensure a better future.


Yes yes yes boss. Keep contemplatin'. Keep contemplatin'

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Dipanker » 06 Dec 2009 15:12

Jarita wrote:Vsihwakarma
I was abt to ask the same question - was 26/11 a western/ISI operation to push India into AFpak.
Have also tried to proble why those specific hotels - why not the others.
To be honest - big orchestrated attacks appear to be beyond the ambit of the jihadis running around in the region, unless there are intelligence agencies behind. Likewise with 9/11 - impossible to make it happen with just the jihadis orchestrating it.


Except that the PA/ISI themselves are jihadis/terrorists too, ISI is not seperate from them or the Jihadis/terrorists not seperate from PA/ISI.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Dipanker » 06 Dec 2009 15:23

ADMINS it seems to me that the message of this thread is getting diluted by OT/unrelated posts, please excercise your editorial judgement and move/clean the OT posts ( including this one! ).

Thanks!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Atri » 06 Dec 2009 15:27

Jarita wrote:Old video
Pakis are pissed off with Rahul Gandhis statement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJR4x3hGlPM

:rotfl: :rotfl:

finishing line - chaankiya ka usool bhi to yahi tha - bolo kuchh, karo kuchh.. :rotfl:

its always fun to listen pakis speak of "chaankiya"... :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Singha » 06 Dec 2009 16:28

but both he and chandragupta maurya allegedly hung out in Taxila before making the move east :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Suppiah » 06 Dec 2009 16:38

From the NEWS link...

It is possible that the brainwashing that in the past used 'jihad' as a motive has somehow become distorted and is now being used against the state of Pakistan


the thinking still is that brainwashing is okay, killings are also ok, if the target is not TSP and its own fanatic barbarian animals. It they kill human beings, then it is not considered 'distortion'.

Therein lies the true nature of TSP and even its liberal, educated sections...let us not even talk about the madrasah educated barbarians.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby NikhilB » 06 Dec 2009 16:53

vishwakarmaa wrote:
Because USA pretends to be a messiah of democratic world and it needs valid reasons to wage wars, invade countries and have military presence in purposefully "destablized" regions(funds rouge regims, elements through CIA) to spread its influence on future power centers in Asia, Middle East and every corner of world.

Raju wrote:
ISI/Pakistan Army is an american/british foreign policy tool to restrain India and destabilize the region.



I'm not sure whether I agree or not with this.

Do you think India mattered to US / UK that much, say, 20, 30, 60 years back? It means that, US/UK envisioned India's success/"superpower status" in 21st century long time back, and hence created ISI monster against India.

Are we not (wrongly) assuming then that India is centre of the world, and all superpowers are conspiring against us so as to "check" our growth. I do not have slightest doubt in my mind about India's position in world until 18th century (since dating back 3000 years), but do we have to assume that we are still at same position even now ?

Why would US create ISI monster (1) to check India - a poor country during 1950, a peaceful country with no ambition of conquering other nations or establishing supremacy, (2) to help China - which is now considered indirect threat to US supremacy. So at one time we are assuming that US/UK strategist are very very cleaver who envisioned India's growth and power way back in 1950s/1960s and hence created ISI to restrain it, and at same time they are so stupid to allow this ISI / PA being greatest ally of China, which is now greatest threat to US.

And even if this is indeed the case, then why are we spending so much of our energy on pakis, if real brain behind them is CIA. As Zaid Hamid says - Fitne (?)pe hamla karo, to makkaa apne aap haseeel ho jayegee (paki logic : hit the Israel, and US will come to its knees) :) (sorry, couldn’t resist giving his reference). I don’t mean confronting US, but then playing our foreign policy in right way so as to prevent US doing this again and again. Else, even if we manage or remove ISI/PA, still CIA will create another one "to check our growth" - may be in SL, BD, or even in TSP.

Secondly, pakis also consider that US is trying to destabilise their nation. We are thinking that US is aiding pakis to check our growth, then why not mend our ways ourselves. I know paki mentality is very difficult (or impossible?) to change, but from long term strategy, won't it be better to take pakis into confidence, and explain to them living in peaceful co-existance is better for both countries. This will be complete 180 degree shift in thinking for pakis, but if above is true then there is no point for us in just competing with PA/ISI in arms race, covert activities as they will always have the backing and funding of CIA. It just doesnt make sense.

However, if we just assume things as they stand - that CIA funded ISI to check Russian presence in Afgan. US didn’t provide support directly to Afgan army becasue it was not full fledged direct war as it is now, rather it was covert, cold war, hence the need of muhahideens - volunteer fighters against "invasion of kufr Russia". ISI used those resources and money against India, and US did not give much attention to it, because (1) it did not bother to them much (2) India was unofficially in Russian camp.

Am I missing anything..?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby harbans » 06 Dec 2009 17:00

^^ Please don't respond to the CT protagonists. They will post nonsense and derail legitimate thought processes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2009 17:01

Suppiah wrote:the thinking still is that brainwashing is okay, killings are also ok, if the target is not TSP and its own fanatic barbarian animals. It they kill human beings, then it is not considered 'distortion'.

Therein lies the true nature of TSP and even its liberal, educated sections...let us not even talk about the madrasah educated barbarians.

Suppiah, you are absolutely correct. From a part of what I posted here a couple of months back,
The study by a clinical psychologist who led a team of doctors and psychologists to profile the Pakistani jihadis who returned to Pakistan after 9/11 resulted in the publication of a book, "Probing the Jihadi Mindset". He found to his surprise that over 40% of the jihadis were *not* from madrassah but from mainstream educational institutions in Pakistan. He then went on to probe the Pakistani educational system and concluded that the rot came from within. This was published in c. 2006 . . . . . Musharraf's education minister, Ms. Zobaida Jalal, tried to remove a reference to jihad in the Class X Biology textbook which resulted in her losing the job immediately and later was forced to declare that she was a 'fundamentalist' to escape the wrath of the clergy who destroyed her house even then.


This implicit reliance on jihad to achieve political goals was amply demonstrated in the National Assembly of Pakistan by no other than the Secretary of Defence Maj. Tanveer Syed on Aug. 7, 2007 when he demanded the Pakistani government to wage jihad against India to get Kashmir. He assured the nation that if full-fledged jihad was waged, Pakistan would get Kashmir within six months. It is noteworthy that the Secretary of Defence, who justified jihad, was a retired Army major.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2009 17:18

arun wrote:
Five generals also got their loans written off.

. . . . The list shows that General Kuli Khan got two loans written off from the Allied Bank of Pakistan while he was still serving in the Army in the mid 90s. The first loan was of Rs1.8 million and second was Rs1.6 million outstanding against Janana De Malucho Textile Mills Limited, Kohat owned by his father General (retd) Habibullah Khan. General Kuli was then one of the directors of the textile mills. After the death of General Habib, he became the chief executive of this textile unit. . . .

The News


Do serving officers in PA also serve on boards of family-run businesses as Lt. Gen. Ali Kuli Khan did ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Raju » 06 Dec 2009 17:22

NikhilB wrote:
>>India - a poor country during 1950 ..

obviously a country will not remain poor forever. Infact access to resources is key to prosperity.
Oil in the middle-east was discovered in the 40s. The powers that be calculated that India was at the mouth of this oil wealth and would gain tremendously.

thus the creation of Pakistan.
neatly cutting off India's land access to ME.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 06 Dec 2009 17:27

Even after the headley/daood gilani case the people issuing visas have not woken up to the fact that innocent looking pakistanis may pose a threat to lives of Indians. Even if they dont plant bombs, they sure could be used for recce targets and going by najam sethi's past views of supporting terrorism in his editorials this would not be unlikely.

Najam Sethi receives Golden Pen Award
Hyderabad
Najam Sethi, former Editor-in-Chief of the Daily Times, Pakistan, was presented the ‘2009 Golden Pen of Freedom’, the annual press freedom prize of the World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers, during the opening ceremony of the 62nd World Newspaper Congress and 16th World Editors’ Forum (WEF) here on Tuesday.
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President Pratibha Patil, in whose presence the award was presented, complimented Mr. Sethi.
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Away from Lahore party, B’lore a home
Bangalore : There really is nothing common between Lahore, Pakistan’s bustling cultural capital in the Punjab province, and Bangalore, easily South Asia’s most high-tech city. Delhi could be comparable.

The variety of South Indian culture has attracted these students from Pakistan. DH photo But for a compact band of nine visiting young men and women, budding jurists from the University College, Lahore, there was one element that bound them to Bangalore –– its very alienness. The variety of South Indian culture struck them in more ways than one.

Here for over a week to compete in the South Asian Debate Competition at the National Law School Universiyt of India (NLSUI), the Pakistani contingent not only debated and put across their views on jurisprudence, but took away a few points when it came to comparing city life in Lahore and Bangalore.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby enqyoob » 06 Dec 2009 17:47

Away from 'Hore, B'lore a home


Must be from Dawood Gilani's Travelogues, since we know he visited Kerala.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2009 17:52

Pakistan bans foreign journalists from South Punjab
The foreign journalists have to now get visa from the Islamic Emirate of South Punjab.
“All foreign journalists are required to get permission from foreign affairs as well as from interior ministries for visiting any specific place especially in South Punjab,” a senior officer of the Punjab government told PTI.

He said in the past foreign journalists had visited different seminaries in the province and published or broadcast “twisted and unfounded” facts.

Giving example of a UK based popular TV channel, Regional Police Officer of Bahawalpur division Mushtaq Sukhera, said that the TV crew requested for filming various seminaries in Bahawalpur including one of Jaish-e-Mohammad’s chief Maulana Azhar Masood.

“I was rather shocked to see that the TV channel showed that the seminary of Masood Azhar was used as a training camp of terrorists,” Mr. Sukhera said. {What a lie by the gora kufr ? Maulana Masood Azhar is the most peace-loving of the peaceful religion. How dare these Westerners do that to a mard of the stature of Masood Azhar ?}


Seriously, the Punjab government of Shehbaz Sharif is living in denial for long.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Gagan » 06 Dec 2009 17:54

There must be a lot of pakistanis who are quite happy when the Pak Fauj gets killed and maimed like sheep, as in this Pindi attack.

The people of pakistan have been at the receiving end of the 'Fauj' and the 'Agencies' for sixty long and unbearable years.

There must be a lot of happiness there, specially in the provinces of NWFP/FATA, Sindh and Balochistan not to mention POK specially Gilgit and Balistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Suppiah » 06 Dec 2009 18:09

I dont know whether some animals are happy are not about this fauji 72-despatch, but it was not long ago that Pakbarians were proud of their army and it was supposedly the only institution that is trusted and respected by them and so on...now an incident like this has barely raised eyebrows and if you go by News editorial, even mullah rabid dogs, traditional allies of the army, have not barked against it.

The decline of the 'proud institution' shows how much TSP has traveled these years, all of it downhill of course...does anyone still believe that Mushy-rat is not a RAW agent :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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