Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

[venkat_r]

Sridhar, Comparisions to the Third Reich are apt. Many similarities do exist and i believe there is ample to study for Indians, if they want to survive this nation of terrorists. The problem India faces is many time more complicated and difficult than the one Europe faced in WW-II. It will also be not a bad idea to read up on Pre War Japan and the way the indoctrination worked on its people in the lead up and during the war.

[anupmisra]

anupmishragaru - no Marshall plan for bakis. Only martial plans will do for the TFTA. But the lack of fesivity and IED mubaraks saddens me.

Martial plan for the martial race. Unfortunately, the west is too politically correct for that approach.

[pgbhat]

x-posting from India-US thread .....
Speaking of Pakistan --- C Christine Fair.

India and the U.S. share a common vision of a stable, democratic, civilian-controlled Pakistan at peace with itself and its neighbors. But they have often disagreed on how best to achieve this end. It is unlikely that Mr. Singh's visit will yield an immediate consensus, but will likely continue to focus on law enforcement and counterintelligence cooperation.

Since 9/11, Delhi has watched warily as Washington enlisted Pakistan's help against al Qaeda by providing conventional military assistance and other allurements such as such as aid for Pakistan's participation on the war on terrorism. In total Pakistan has received more than $15 billion since 9/11. Washington had applied only episodic pressure on Pakistan to shut down militants operating in and against India and the disputed border region of Kashmir. Washington has wanted to encourage Pakistan to fight those militants that it can and will fight, even if Islamabad opposes actions against groups like Lashkar and the Afghan Taliban. And Washington needs Pakistan's support to fight the war in Afghanistan. Washington used to see Lashkar and other "Kashmiri groups" as India's problem, caring about these militant outfits only if they directly threatened U.S. interests. The United States and India have for too long been fighting their own, parallel wars on terror.

Second, whereas Lashkar was previously a "niche specialty" for counterterrorism experts within the U.S. government, now nearly every policy, law-enforcement, intelligence and military agency has dedicated resources to protect the U.S., its friends and its assets from Lashkar. The Mumbai attack lent increased urgency to deepening U.S.-India cooperation centered on joint law enforcement and counterterrorism concerns. While less "sexy" than military-to-military engagements, this kind of Indo-U.S cooperation is vital to securing both nations against future terrorist threats.

[Mahendra]

Like we have Islamists, are there Brahminists too?

The real face of terrorism in India’ accuses the all powerful Intelligence Bureau (IB) of representing Brahminist lobbies. And it says that India’s external spy agency RAW is relatively free of Brahminist influence.

So it is the non bhramins who are active in FATA, Waziristan Blochistan and the 786 consulates in Afghanistan

‘During the Mumbai terror attack of 26/11, the mobile phones used by the terrorists who wreaked havoc at the CST Station have been traced to Satara District of Maharashtra. In whoevers’ name the SIM cards may stand, an in-depth investigation would lead the trail to Brahminist organisations and their leaders.(mahesh Butt and teesta setalvad of Tehreek e Sabrang e Brahminist association

But wait! BRF is brahminist as well and what about BRaman garu?

[pgbhat]

Like we have Islamists, are there Brahminists too?

Truly amazing lengths RIPs go to pull equal-equal.

[shravan]

Life’s a drag act for TV presenter challenging homophobia in Pakistan

[shravan]

Like we have Islamists, are there Brahminists too?

Truly amazing lengths RIPs go to pull equal-equal.

The writer is Dawn’s correspondent in Delhi.

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Email: jawednaqvi@gmail.com 9810119261 New Delhi-13

[Virupaksha]

The writer is Dawn’s correspondent in Delhi.

FREELANCE CORRESPONDENTS
Email: jawednaqvi@gmail.com 9810119261 New Delhi-13

He is the progenitor of the term RIP- Resident Indian Paki on BR

[putnanja]

The Mumbai attacks and Indo-U.S. relations - C. Christine Fair

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For many years after 9/11, New Delhi rightly chided Washington for its singular focus upon Pakistan’s cooperation in fighting the Al-Qaeda and, after 2007, the Afghan Taliban while doing very little to persuade Pakistan to cease and desist from employing militants to prosecute Pakistan’s foreign policies throughout India. India (likely correctly) believed that Washington tended to view the so-called “Kashmiri groups” as India’s problem. At times those groups also threatened key U.S. security interests. The Jaish attack on the Indian Parliament in December 2001 precipitated a year-long Indo-Pakistan military crisis, which adversely affected U.S. military efforts in Afghanistan and engagement of Pakistan during Operation Enduring Freedom. Throughout the standoff, U.S. officials worried about the outbreak of war and the possibility of inadvertent or deliberate nuclear use. In other words, Washington cared about the so-called “Kashmiri groups” only if they directly threatened U.S. interests whereas India’s primary security threat centred upon those groups.
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Lashkar-e-Taiba is a peculiar — and intractable — case for all parties concerned. Of all of the Pakistan-based groups, it is widely believed to be the most closely leashed to Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI). Unlike the hordes of Deobandi militants — such as the Pakistan and Afghan Taliban, the Jaish-e-Mohammad, the Sipah-e-Sahaba-e-Pakistan among others — the Lashkar-e-Taiba had never targeted the Pakistani state or international targets within Pakistan.
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A Lashkar attack deliberately targeting American and western civilians within a few weeks of Mr. Obama’s presidential victory seemed so unthinkable within these changed political contexts that this author initially incorrectly presumed that the attack was executed by the Jaish-e-Mohammad or an indigenised Indian cell cultivated by the Lashkar. By the first day of the siege, though, it was apparent that the attack was indeed directly authored by the Lashkar. The only question that remained was whether it had been sanctioned by the ISI and if so, from what level. Those questions persist.
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Second, the anticipated military response from India afforded Pakistan a convenient opportunity to move forces to the east from the west, where it was engaging the Pakistani Taliban in what was, at that time, a deeply unpopular war. In April 2008, one Pakistani officer had remarked to this author that it was a bad time to be in the Pakistan army because he had joined to kill Indians not Pakistanis. The tensions that followed the attack on Mumbai resuscitated the relevance of Pakistan’s conventional conflict amidst international insistence that the army invest in equipment and training, as well as doctrinal reorientation, for counterinsurgency operations. The attack demonstrated — to the military and intelligence organisations — that attacking India remains a central ambition of their organisations and gave a fillip to those militants who were impatient with Pakistan’s post-9/11 “moderated jihad” strategy.
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Second, whereas the Lashkar was previously a “niche specialty” within the U.S. government, it is now a major concern across nearly every policy, law enforcement, intelligence and military agency. The attack — like 9/11 — lent increased urgency to deepening U.S.-India cooperation centred upon joint law enforcement and counterterrorism concerns. While less “sexy” than military-to-military engagements, this kind of coordination is vital to securing both nations against terrorists threats.
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Whether India and her partners will be able to develop the necessary collective tools to temper the threat posed by the Lashkar and its fellow travellers remain to be seen. However, India is no longer alone in this sanguinary struggle. The Lashkar and other so-called “Kashmiri” groups are not just India’s problem; rather, they are the problem of the entire international community which in the wake of Mumbai has embraced this challenge.

A pretty good picture. While I don't agree with her comments on Indian consulates in Afghanistan, her writings have been closer to Indian positions on many other Indo-paki issues. I am still debating whether she would have been the right person in charge of Indian affairs in DoS?

[anupmisra]

While I don't agree with her comments on Indian consulates in Afghanistan...

C Fair has since then clarified her comments. I am not able to locate her "clarifications" but were "fairly" recent.

[Amber G.]

^^^ wrt to Fair, see the recent posts in US thread (sorry if already xposted here):
Edited later: I see it has already been xposted)

[putnanja]

Yup, in the recent article, she did say that India may be doing something anti-pak through its afghan consulates and that India was not wrong in doing so. While my opposition is not against India meddling in Baluchistan, there is very little evidence of India doing anything in part of pakistan to teach it a lesson

I don't think anyone will disagree with Fair's comments that it is not wrong to meddle in Baluchistan. But her assertion that India is doing something while we are still twiddling thumbs after each terrorist attack gets our goat ( pun intended ) Otherwise, the rest of her comments would make any jingo nod his head in agreement

[BijuShet]

A very interesting article from "The News". It talks about the power struggle between the Zardari and Gilani groups. Also some tidbits about how outsider ears are tuned into GoTSP and its decision making.

How to clean up the bloody mess-2

Monday, November 23, 2009
News analysis

By Shaheen Sehbai

KARACHI: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and the Asif Zardari-led PPP set-up have reached a dead end on their political highway to nowhere. After the official release of the NRO list, it has become impossible for Gilani to sleep in the same bed with boggy and smutty crocodiles and cockroaches when he was about to quit his lucrative job if just a speck of the NRO dirt had hit his real life partner.

This is how outsiders see it. But those sitting inside the secure PM House have no different view and it is now widely known that the Syed from Multan is no longer prepared to take public or private snubs and insults anymore.

His many travels outside Islamabad have often left his hosts in a daze. Recently in Sindh, he was almost in tears recalling to some dear friends what huge burden he was facing on his conscience and how humiliatingly he was being treated by the party high command. In the recent CEC meeting, there was repeated mention of rebirth of Farooq Legharis within the PPP, arrows thrown at the PM by Zardari loyalists meaning that he was a traitor.

It was in this desperate state of mind that Gilani took his revenge and forced his law minister to go out and announce to the world the notorious list of thieves and crooks who had first robbed the country dry and then had taken refuge behind a disgraceful deal with a dictator. He was paying back his critics, in kind.

Once PM Gilani crossed that red line and made the shame and ignominy of even his top leaders officially public, he has left no room for a retreat. It would be the world’s most exciting conversation when President Asif Zardari and PM Gilani sit down again in the Presidency for another of their frequent one-on-one talks. There is no one present when they talk, but there are walls and there are flies on these walls, if not of the biological kind, of the electronic species. Of course, it is generally known that whatever is said within the four-walls of our big secure houses is not only heard by our own spooks and spies but sometimes by even listeners with headphones sitting thousands of miles away. Interestingly, when President Zardari meets anyone, a huge grandfather clock between him and his guest is always ticking. Electronic bugs could always sneak into that clock.

According to one such fly, a recent tense talk between the big two of the country was in such a bad taste and in such foul language that the Syed from Multan may have resigned and left for his hometown directly from the House on the Hill, if anyone else had been present to watch his humiliation. That he did not do so was because he did not want to surrender without his revenge. That was before the NRO sh— had hit the roof.
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A very mischievous impression is being given that criticism of Zardari, and sidelining him, would mean another attack on Sindhi rights. He should be sidelined because he has failed as a politician and not as a Sindhi. He should pay for his acts of omission and commission, the rampant corruption unleashed all around and the failed policies that he has forced on everybody. All this has nothing to do with Sindh or the Sindhi card.

In fact, all reports from Sindh say people in Larkana and Nawabshah would be more than happy if the tyranny of these newly unleashed feudals is ended. The decades old servants and workers of Mr Bhutto’s ancestral homes would like to come back to their jobs and not live in wilderness any more.

The heavy onus of correcting the situation thus lies on the prime minister and the PPP, or whatever part of the organisation which can come out of the scare spell of the presidency. Gilani is considering many options, including his own resignation if he does not get his way. But right now the centre of power has shifted to his office and the presidency is in a lame-duck mode.

As a starter Gilani can slash his cabinet and remove all the tainted NRO hit ministers, advisers and ambassadors. In one go, he will boost his image and credibility and deliver a fatal blow to the one-man style of governance that has led the PPP into a corner in just two years.

The PM should then move with super speed to get the 17th Amendment repealed, get the competent and popular PPP leaders back into the party fold, take Mian Nawaz Sharif and others on board, even in his cabinet, as in the early days of the coalition. Get a political consensus on major issues, start a dialogue with moderates in the ranks of militants and then lead the country with a focus on ending the miseries of the poor harassed masses and crushing the militancy.

He should keep the president informed and on board if he wants to play along. But it should be clear that the buck would stop at the PM House. If this does not happen and Mr Zardari creates hurdles, plays his dirty tricks, unleashes his ‘Ghairat’ or ‘Izzat’ brigades against the PM, the media, the security establishment or all of them, he would be the one responsible for demolishing the system. No one else should then be blamed.

[BijuShet]

An interesting opinion piece from "The News". It explains the reasons for why Zardari chose the presidency instead of PMship to immunize himself against prosecution by GoTSP.

A question of character

Asif Ezdi The writer is a former member of the Pakistan Foreign Service.

Monday, November 23, 2009
The mood at the late night meeting of PPP’s Central Executive Committee (CEC) held on November 16 is said to have been sombre. Some drew parallels with Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s last days in power. The CEC was meeting in the aftermath of the biggest crisis the party has faced since the tragic assassination of its chairperson nearly two years ago. Now, the co-chairman, who succeeded her, faces the dire prospect of being ousted from presidency. That would mean not just his fall from power but also a re-opening of corruption cases. At the end of the legal process, there is the real possibility of conviction and loss of hard-won millions.
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But what Zardari needs more than proclamations of solidarity from his acolytes in the party is a way out of the imminent legal tangle that awaits NRO beneficiaries at the end of the month. Before the bill for the approval of this ordinance was withdrawn from parliament, Babar Awan had declared that if it was approved, the judiciary would have no power to declare it unconstitutional. Now that the government has itself withdrawn the NRO, he advised the CEC that the best way to defend its beneficiaries was to argue that decisions already given under the ordinance were final as “past and closed transactions.”

That is the line that the Zardari camp will probably be taking after November 28. But this position is hardly tenable because Article 264 of the constitution only protects actions taken under valid laws which stand repealed. It does not protect those under a law which was invalid at the time, either because the latter had already expired or is found to have been unconstitutional. This means that only acquittals made before February 4, 2008 can be treated as ‘past and closed transactions’, and even these can be invalidated if the Supreme Court holds that the NRO was unconstitutional. Zardari will not be able to claim the protection of Article 264 because his acquittals under NRO were all pronounced after this date.

The CEC members evidently knew this. Their unanimous view was that Zardari should avail himself of the constitutional immunity available to the president under Article 248. He, of course, did not need this advice because when he decided last year to seek the post of president rather than prime minister, it was precisely because the president enjoys this immunity while the prime minister does not. When those who drafted the 1973 Constitution wrote Article 248, it was certainly not their intention to make the presidency a safe haven for those trying to escape justice. They simply lifted the language of this article from the 1962 Constitution, which for its part had borrowed it from the provisions of the Government of India Act 1935 giving immunity to the viceroy.

Whatever the interpretation of presidential immunity under Article 248 as it stands today, it is important to remove all ambiguity for the future. Ahsan Iqbal told a private TV channel on October 1 that PML-N had proposed a constitutional amendment for its abolition. However, Nawaz Sharif’s statement on November 17 that the president enjoys constitutional immunity for all criminal acts, it is doubtful whether PML-N still stands by its proposal.

Nawaz’s statement is not reconcilable with his earlier suggestion to Zardari that he should appear before the courts to clear himself of corruption charges. It is also out of tune with the predominant view within his party and with public opinion. Nawaz, therefore, owes the nation a clarification on this point. If PML-N is really serious about the proposal to do away with presidential immunity, it should give it at least the same priority as its demand for the abolition of a third-term ban for the prime minister.
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The big question is how this can be done with least disruption to the political system. Several options have been mooted. Some of them involve judicial process while others depend on political and moral pressure. Those involving the judicial process turn on the qualifications for election as laid down in Article 62 of the constitution, in particular the graduation requirement which was introduced in 2002, but invalidated by the Dogar court in April 2008 to clear Zardari’s path to presidency. Since the Dogar court itself has now been held unconstitutional, its ruling could also be overturned by the Supreme Court on review. In that event, Zardari would stand disqualified and would have to vacate the presidency.

The option of removal by political process presents difficulties but these are not insuperable. The two-thirds majority required in both houses of parliament for impeachment is a very high bar. But if public pressure continues to build up, a formal vote may not be necessary.
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Email: asifezdi@yahoo.com

[BijuShet]

Fun reading i.e. Idiot's guide on how to behave like a Paki.
This is from the editorial in "The News". Too small hence posting in full. Article opens with the criticism of TSP society and how the minorities in TSP are discriminated against. The article ends with the accusation against all others of discrimination and violence towards Muslims which in turn breed extremism amongst Muslims.

Intolerance

Monday, November 23, 2009
Intolerance in our society is something we have all become familiar with over the past few decades. The lack of respect for difference began early in our history with the trend pushed forward by laws that put in place institutionalized discrimination against non-Muslims. From time to time stories appear in the press reminding us how bad things are. Among the most recent such accounts was that of a teacher at a school on the outskirts of Islamabad who berated a pupil for being a Christian, insisting that only Muslims should live in Pakistan. Murders by mobs of persons accused of blasphemy is another example of growing intolerance and its consequences. But there is evidence that the trend is on the rise in many places around the world. In Spain, a female lawyer of Moroccan descent was ordered by a judge to either remove the veil covering her face or leave the court. Headscarves are banned in France and Turkey. In the UK there has been discussion on veiling by professionals working in various sectors. Muslims in North America and Europe have reported increased discrimination since 9/11.

The world would benefit from greater tolerance. In Pakistan, the views of scholars at Egypt’s al-Azhar University need to be widely heard. But tolerance is something that needs to be worked on at a universal level. Merely pointing fingers towards the Muslim world serves no useful purpose. Discrimination and violence towards Muslims in the west in turn breed extremism in Islamic countries. More and more groups made up of young Muslims advocating violence in Britain is no accident. It is in part a response to pressures from the society they live in. The problem is one that needs to be solved by people everywhere working together, so that the world we live in can be safer for all its inhabitants.

[BijuShet]

Another example of the martialness of the TSPA brown pants.
Buneris beef about tightened security

Monday, November 23, 2009
Tauseef-ur-Rahman

SULTANWAS, Buner: The recent wave of terror in Peshawar has not only panicked the ‘besieged’ residents of the provincial metropolis but also confronted the dwellers of Buner with “humiliating” treatment by the security forces on the pretext of beefed-up security in the erstwhile Taliban-infested district.
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One such checkpoint was witnessed at the entrance to Pir Baba town where police personnel were deployed at both the ends of the checkpost while the army soldiers were deployed at the post, which was surrounded by huge sandbags and cemented blocks.
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He said all the commuters were offloaded from their vehicles at checkpoints, forcing them to cover about a furlong distance on foot; nevertheless, women, children and the drivers are exempted.

He added that an ordinary policeman was deployed on each end of the checkpost while army men wearing bullet-proof jackets and equipped with heavy weapons just check the identity cards of the people at the post, giving a look that the army was being guarded by police constables.

It merits a mention here that in the recent string of suicide attacks, policemen remained the prime target. “There is no female security personnel to frisk the women boarding the vehicles and a suicide bomber can easily camouflage himself in the guise of women,” he said and added that if the security personnel were serious in their resolve to ensure failsafe security, they must necessarily equip the law-enforcers at the entrance and exit of the checkposts at least with explosive detectors and scanners.

When this correspondent asked an on-duty policeman about the logic behind such a futile exercise, he said they did not know anything and they had just to obey the orders of the army officials. “We were told to board off all the people even high police officials. No-one could pass the checkpost except women and children,” he said.
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[pgbhat]

Geo’s program ‘Meray Mutabiq’ banned from Dubai

[Ananya]

Geo’s program ‘Meray Mutabiq’ banned from Dubai

The anchor's problem is he is higly anti pppp and not of PM . and this ban has been imposed by the person from the party chair person of PPP this is the starting of troubles for PPPP and looks like the same men from the establishment who advised Musshy are repating the acts as they know the outcomes.

time for some emergency break

[pgbhat]

Listen India! ..... the news edit
Posting in full

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is currently about to experience American hospitality of the type associated with a full-blown state visit. Wearily true to form he is using the occasion to deliver unhelpful and negative statements about Pakistan that drip oil on the fires that burn between us. 'We are not fully committed to Afghanistan' and 'Pakistan has nothing to fear from India'. With the greatest of brotherly respect Mr Singh, we have a considerable amount to fear from India. You are the bear growling at our backdoor, the fox that eyes our chickens and the Very Big Brother with a military stick that we know we would have difficulty countering were push to come to shove. You have regional superpower aspirations that we cannot match and the ear of the only other established superpower that cultivates you for its own interests. But wait… do you not also have the same problems of poverty as we do? The same threats to natural resources posed by global warming? No shortage of armed uprisings within your own borders? Are there not religious and sectarian atrocities reported on a daily basis and is there not an outbreak of witch-killing in your rural hinterlands that sees widowed women regularly hacked to death?

You are no less flawed than we are and yet it is we who are always seemingly 'not doing enough' and we who are the exporters of terrorism. Are you innocent, India? Free of stain and guilt? Have you never sent agents across our borders, sought to foment discontent and division where you saw opportunity or profit? Have you never done that to us, India? Have you not moved in on Afghanistan yourself as a significant donor, created diplomatic missions and sought to influence the Afghan government? And do we really use terror as an instrument of state policy – or is it that in geopolitical terms it is currently flavour-of-the-month to present Pakistan as a bubbling pot of wickedness? We have our faults and we are often poor at acknowledging them, but we are not the only baddies in this game, India. Yes, we would prefer peace if only because wars are expensive and often fail to solve problems. But peace is ill-served by a ritualised thrashing of a favourite scapegoat. So if it's peace you seek, Manmohan Singh, find a different way of saying so. Believe us – we'll listen if you do.

[VinodTK]

Pakistan’s nuke sites at risk, says expert

First Pak-made jet ready to take off

[Ananya]

a flash on CNN now Obama's war coucil is meeting now and the decession would be any time soon.......

MMS is also in Wasington

[faraz]

Like we have Islamists, are there Brahminists too?

Even in the Pakistani media, the ISI and other powerful state institutions are often put under public scrutiny.

hahahhahhahahahahaha

Some of the unexploded bombs were found wrapped in Marathi newspapers.

Had the bombs were wrapped in Time Magazines sold in Junk shops in Mumbai, would it suggest Uncle Sam's involvement in the Blasts ?

[shiv]

Listen India! ..... do you not also have the same problems of poverty as we do?

Poverty? In Pakistan? Who says there is poverty in Pakistan. Off with this munafiq's head!

Someone please respond

[faraz]

Listen India! ..... do you not also have the same problems of poverty as we do?

Poverty? In Pakistan? Who says there is poverty in Pakistan. Off with this munafiq's head!

Someone please respond

Cannot respond ! You said it all !

[krishnan]

Can there be poverty in the land as pure as pakistan

[MurthyB]

Some of the unexploded bombs were found wrapped in Marathi newspapers.

Uh-oh, sounds like there was a 11th terrorist in Mumbai who managed to escape back!

[Guddu]

self deleted

[Malayappan]

Anyone read this?
Blackwater's Secret War in Pakistan

Check it out? Jalebi has been wailing a lot lately on this. Should we take a call and connect some dots?

[Nayak]

Listen India! ..... the news edit
Posting in full

With the greatest of brotherly respect Mr Singh, we have a considerable amount to fear from India. You are the bear growling at our backdoor, the fox that eyes our chickens and the Very Big Brother with a military stick that we know we would have difficulty countering were push to come to shove.

Again RAW-agent gets a honourable mention by the pukes.

[Gagan]

Some of the unexploded bombs were found wrapped in Marathi newspapers.

I seriously don't know weather to laugh or cry for this country. The average intelligence level seems to be one of village bumpkins sitting around spreading one outrageous rumor after the other, and believing whatever new rumor comes along.

The fact is that the people of the land of the pure are confused. Their local media's never mentioned to them that the ISI trains militants, and so if bums go off in peshawar, it has to be the yindoos from India or the israelis etc etc. Reality just doesn't begin to dawn on the average middle class chap there, what to say about the ordinary unemployed youth.

That's what happens when the powers that be keep the public away from the truth, and feed them convenient lies. When truth stares them on their faces, they are too shocked to believe it.

[pgbhat]

^^
I think may be Jawed Naqvi is a RAA agent.

[shiv]

The fact is that the people of the land of the pure are confused. Their local media's never mentioned to them that the ISI trains militants, and so if bums go off in peshawar, it has to be the yindoos from India or the israelis etc etc. Reality just doesn't begin to dawn on the average middle class chap there, what to say about the ordinary unemployed youth.

That's what happens when the powers that be keep the public away from the truth, and feed them convenient lies. When truth stares them on their faces, they are too shocked to believe it.

Stop making rubbish propagandu against Pakistan. Didn't you see the pictures that had "Indian medicines" marked on them. Clearly India is at fault. As recently as last night I visited a doctor because I had diarrhea and I will scan his prescription - it says "Indian medicines" - take three times a day. Even a doctor has certified it.

[archan]

Listen India! ..... the news edit

We would listen, just vacate the occupied Kashmir and stop sending terrorists our way. Simple. can you do that? no? then effing burn.

[Hiten]

was a little confused which thread to put this in. Please check the pearls of wisdom being preached by the enlightened Zen Harris in the comments section. I am truly impressed. pakistan does indeed have a *bright* future

http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -left.html

I sincerely & earnestly hope that he is every pakistani

[milindc]

The fact is that the people of the land of the pure are confused. Their local media's never mentioned to them that the ISI trains militants, and so if bums go off in peshawar, it has to be the yindoos from India or the israelis etc etc. Reality just doesn't begin to dawn on the average middle class chap there, what to say about the ordinary unemployed youth.

That's what happens when the powers that be keep the public away from the truth, and feed them convenient lies. When truth stares them on their faces, they are too shocked to believe it.

Stop making rubbish propagandu against Pakistan. Didn't you see the pictures that had "Indian medicines" marked on them. Clearly India is at fault. As recently as last night I visited a doctor because I had diarrhea and I will scan his prescription - it says "Indian medicines" - take three times a day. Even a doctor has certified it.

And also, what about the Indian Ammo with 'Made In India' markings in Korean.

[Nihat]

Listen India! ..... the news edit

We would listen, just vacate the occupied Kashmir and stop sending terrorists our way. Simple. can you do that? no? then effing burn.

Well, we've not really insisted on the first part for the past many years ( even though it's considered our territory), it's just the latter demand which is hardly much to ask, given the fact that infiltration still continues , there are daily terror threats , pukes are being caught in different parts of the lobe planning terror attacks in India. I'd say they deserve every single IED Mubarak they get , the full wrath of American double speak and deserve to bled till the last ounce of life is sucked out of them.

Indo-Pak animosity is only going to end when one of them splits up into many pieces and is too weak to stand up to the other one. At one time , I would have feared that it may have been us but those fears were allayed comprehensively a long time go. Now, it's time to for Rakshaks to grab a bucket of popcorn and watch the pukes suffer.

[Jarita]

Sometimes you find interesting stuff in the comments section

Muslimah Ayesha Khanna has converted a prominent Hindu Parag Khanna and made him a Muslim through marraige [If you don't believe me, then ask your own Hindu channel TimesNOW that had interviewed them in a program] And now they have a Muslim child born to them by the grace of Allah
Parag Khanna
http://paragkhanna.com/
Ayesh Khanna
http://ayeshkhanna.com/


Parag Khanna is the guy who was writing crappy articles about India missing the boat etc. His wife is a Pakistani and you'll note that the tone of his articles is very sympathetic to pakistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parag_Khanna
Khanna currently resides in New York City with his wife, Ayesha Khanna, and their daughter Zara.
An article by this fellow
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03258.html
If you run through his articles and opinions you will see that he represents Pakistan and teh middle east. Let us not get fooled by the name

[Nandu]

Zen Harris
http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -left.html

I sincerely & earnestly hope that he is every pakistani

After reading some of his comments, I am 400,000% convinced that he is a RAW agent from BRF onlee. There are lots of clues.

[Vikas]

The fact is that the people of the land of the pure are confused. Their local media's never mentioned to them that the ISI trains militants, and so if bums go off in peshawar, it has to be the yindoos from India or the israelis etc etc. Reality just doesn't begin to dawn on the average middle class chap there, what to say about the ordinary unemployed youth.

That's what happens when the powers that be keep the public away from the truth, and feed them convenient lies. When truth stares them on their faces, they are too shocked to believe it.

Stop making rubbish propagandu against Pakistan. Didn't you see the pictures that had "Indian medicines" marked on them. Clearly India is at fault. As recently as last night I visited a doctor because I had diarrhea and I will scan his prescription - it says "Indian medicines" - take three times a day. Even a doctor has certified it.
And also, what about the Indian Ammo with 'Made In India' markings in Korean.

Just because a Paki blames India does not mean he is lying. How can you forget 1,00,000,000 consulates that India has opened all over Afghanistan near Durand Line.
The Marathi papers even had heading ,"Published from Bukhara,Samarkand, Kandhar, Gazni , Kabul and Mazar-e-shareif" with RAA emblem on top.

[Stan_Savljevic]

Parag Khanna

He has a video on TED on "the world without maps" or something like that. I was surprised when he never talked about Indian subcontinent region, now it makes more sense.