Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Dec 2009 14:34

How the Pakistani Army operates in the Khyber Agency

Talking to The News, Dr Said Alam Mehsud, leader of Paktunkhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP), said the codenames of the military operations seemed like Pashto movies’ names showing the non-seriousness of the planners. “All the operations are a mere drama and the security forces never targeted militants and whenever they hit their homes and hideouts in Khyber Agency that was also with an understanding and there were reports that they were also compensated for the losses ,” he said.

He said that a total 19 military operations were carried out but none of them was credible and no tangible achievement made during these adventures.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Dec 2009 14:42

X Posted. Excerpt dealing with the security of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s nuclear weapon arsenal from the transcript of the interview of our Minister of State for External Affairs, Shashi Tharoor by Karan Thapar:

Karan Thapar: ………………… Let me move to something that concerns everyone and clearly it concerns President Obama: the state of Pakistan's nuclear weapons. In his speech he seems to have suggested it that they could fall into terrorists' hand. So let me as Minister of State of Foreign affairs ask you bluntly: how safe do you believe are Pakistan's nuclear weapons?

Shashi Tharoor: We don't have first hand information on that. But certainly those who do and those who are very close to Pakistan are seem to be convinced, at least in terms of various private soundings, that there is nothing to worry about in that area.
Obviously, we will never be complacent about these things but Pakistan, for all its limitations, does have a strong military establishment. As of now, in any case, they appeared to be in control of their own weapons.

Karan Thapar: Pakistan says their weapons are secured and that they are in complete control. Do you take at that face value?

Shashi Tharoor: At this stage, yes, we have no reason to doubt that yet.

Karan Thapar: Was this subject discussed between the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and American President Obama when he (Manmohan Singh) visited Washington recently?

Shashi Tharoor: I have no reason to believe so. It certainly was not part of debriefing that I received, so I don't know.

Karan Thapar: Does India have its own contingency plan of action, in case Pakistan's nuclear weapon seem to be in danger of falling into the wrong hands?

Shashi Tharoor: Look, we are not there yet. I am little anxious- not to get into unnecessary alarmism at this point. Pakistan has lot of difficulties but they are not about to fall apart yet as a state and they are not about to have their army surrendering control of its most prized military assets to irregulars.

So at this stage this is not a concern. But obviously this is a further argument for why, as the Prime Minister has repeatedly said, a stable, peaceful Pakistan is in our interest too.

Karan Thapar: Are you sounding sanguine or are you in danger of sounding little complacent?

Shashi Tharoor: No, we are not complacent at all. What good it would do to worry the Indian public about a threat which at this point is purely theoretical.

Read it all:

Devil's Advocate: Tharoor speaks on Pak's N-arms

Manish Jain · Post by **Manish Jain** » 07 Dec 2009 14:52

I see a day coming when pakistanis will stop praying in mosques on Fridays.

Imagine that in land of Islam.

Also, being TSPA brigadier has become second most dangerous job in world after Al Qaeda number 3.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 07 Dec 2009 15:55

Death toll from bombing in Pakistan rises to 10

Police say a suicide bomber tried to get inside the building but blew himself up when confronted by security officials.

Dr. Jamil Ahmad at the city's Lady Reading Hospital says at least 10 people have died, including two policemen, and 45 are wounded.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Dec 2009 16:17

In Bakiland the working week starts with guess what..yes a bang!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 310487.cms

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Dec 2009 16:46

shiv wrote:IMO this is good enough to go in the first post of every Paki thread.

Jai Ho. Done.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Dec 2009 17:04

Astonishing naivety of Shashi T.,our FM of State to say that the danger from Pak's loose nukes are "theoretical". The US has made countless warnings openly and to Pak too about the danger of them getting into the hands of Islamist fundoos.The manner in which even mosques are being attacked indicate that if they ungodly do in the future possess a loose nuke,then they will definitely use it.Countries allied to the US and Israel,or perceived as allies or friends like India,will be in the top of the list for attack.Seriously Mr.Tharoor,what difference is there to a suicide bomber whether his explosive device is nuclear or non-nuclear? He wants to kill and maim as many as possible before obtaining his reward of 72 houris and he might very well get a bonus from the devil if his "score" is in seven figures!

PS:With all these fireworks going off in Pakiland,shouldn't this be one of the main causes of global warming? The international community should penalise Pak with sanctions,banning sales of explosive material to that nation for a couple of decades at least to save the world,which if it does not act,is in serious danger of being blown up with nukes by the ungodly of the land!

sreeji · Post by **sreeji** » 07 Dec 2009 17:31

Nowadays, too many pakis are getting brainy and liberal. It is almost scary. How do we deal with RAPE like marvi II(atheist

paki aunty) and Nadeem Paracha. As pakistan keeps going down the pakistan more of these types will keep coming out. Now that western countries have stopped importing porkis, how do we prevent these people from entering India as future refugees.

Nadeem Paracha saying how he was anti american in his youth(but got enlightened when he sensed that the paki ship was sinking?).

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Dec 2009 17:52

sreeji wrote:Nowadays, too many pakis are getting brainy and liberal.

Sreeji: a liberal + brainy + paki is a pure trifecta of oxymoronic being. He just does not exist.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 07 Dec 2009 18:20

What is this BS about suicide being not halal in Islam ergo Suicide bombers are not Islamic/muslim as they are not following Quran's teaching.
If blowing oneself up for the glory of Islam and killing the enemies is suicide then all those shauda who participated in various Gazwa during the reign of Mo and later all were Un-Islamic because they got killed in action. In fact the Paki soldiers (as claimed by PA) who lied down in front of advancing Indian tanks with land mines should be declared Mutafakin and their last remains should be dug out and hung from trees.
Blowing one self up is a article of faith for Islamic soldiers and this is new way of killing enemies. Islam in Pakistan has evolved and now new weapons are being used to destroy the enemy.
So why this Hulla-gulla over suicide bombing. Mullah/Maulana/Taliban etc. never call it suicide bombing. It is bombing by other means where one is the launcher as well the launchee plain and simple. Fatwa or no Fatwa , A Islamic soldier has to offer his life for the glory of ummah.
Doesn't General No-kia exhort his soldiers to lay their life in the path of Islam. This is Talibani way of implementing what No-kia is preaching.
Why Pakis are not winning this war is simply because they are trying to dub something unIslamic which is not. Just because PA and RAPE are being hit by this tactic does not make it Unislamic.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Dec 2009 18:38

So there are double standards at play,typical of the ***edited*** who speak with forked tongues,even as an "Uncle Obama" might temporaroily live in the house which is white.The US is "comfortable" with Paki nukes but India has to remain "uncomfortable" continually with Paki terror attacks ,which are carried out using arms and aid from the US!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/de ... es-taliban

US 'comfortable' with Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, says Robert GatesDefence secretary reassures Americans that Washington has beefed up security around Islamabad's weapons

Declan Walsh in Islamabad
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 6 December 2009 19.08 GMT

The US is "comfortable" with the safety of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, in part thanks to American-sponsored safety mechanisms, the US defence secretary, Robert Gates, said today.

"We've given [the Pakistanis] assistance in improving their security arrangements over the past number of years … Based on the information available to us that gives us the comfort," he told CBS News.

Gates's comments were intended to assuage US concerns about the vulnerability of Pakistan's nuclear stockpile at a time of growing militant violence.

Last week President Barack Obama asserted that "we know that al-Qaida and other extremists seek nuclear weapons, and we have every reason to believe that they would use them".

Those worries resurfaced after Friday's suicide attack on a mosque near the army headquarters in Rawalpindi, which killed 40 people including six serving officers.

According to a report by the US Congressional Research Service, Pakistan's then president, Pervez Musharraf, moved his country's weapons to six different locations after the 11 September 2001 attacks because of concerns for their safety.

The Bush administration later said it spent $100m in technical and security aid for Pakistan's nuclear programme. Now the warheads and triggers are believed to be stored separately from the missiles designed to deliver them.

In October the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh caused consternation in Pakistan when he suggested that the Obama administration was negotiating a plan for US special forces to secure the arsenal in a time of crisis.

Pakistani military experts viewed the report with scepticism, saying the military would never divulge the arsenal's location to a distrusted ally.

"There are two different things. The Americans have been helping with technology and security, and Pakistan accepts that. But it does not mean they have access to the nuclear assets," said Talat Masood, a retired army general and analyst.

Pakistan's beleaguered president, Asif Ali Zardari, recently surrendered control over the nuclear button to the prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani. But in reality the military would have decisive influence over its use.

Pakistan started developing nuclear weapons in the 1970s, following the lead of its arch-rival, India, and conducted its first test in 1998.

Neither country has signed the non-proliferation treaty. But in recent years the US has moved to bring India's civilian nuclear programme in from the cold, causing bitter resentment in Pakistan.

Nuclear politics also play a part in shaping Pakistani perceptions of the US role. Many people believe Washington's true policy objective is to seize control of the country's nuclear assets.

An increasingly popular conspiracy theory holds that the US is secretly fomenting Taliban violence in Pakistan in order to create a situation where US soldiers could invade and snatch the warheads.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 07 Dec 2009 18:40

Self deleted, posted earlier

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Dec 2009 19:19

harbans wrote:In Bakiland the working week starts with guess what..yes a bang!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 310487.cms

Xinhua is reporting that the death toll in today’s demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan has climbed to 11. With 44 injured it is likely the death toll could go up further:

Death toll in Peshawar blast hits 11

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Dec 2009 19:29

^^ So in cricketing terms the over has started with a clean sweep to the boundary. 4 Runs?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Dec 2009 19:54

harbans, a mere eleven do not qualify for a boundary. In Pakistani context it is a single though off the bat (not an extra). It was not off the meat of he bat, a thick edge perhaps that was fielded. It has to be a forty for a boundary and sixty and above for a six. I am aware that there also used to be eight runs awarded when the ball was irretrievably lost (not anymore, though). However, that should be considered for Pakistan when it is a hundred-and-fifty or above.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Dec 2009 20:01

It has to be a forty for a boundary and sixty and above for a six.

Wow, finally Sri Ayub Khan's infamous formulation of 1 Baki == 10 yindoos turns on its head to 10 Bakis == 1 run only

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Dec 2009 20:01

India, US not involved in terrorism in Pakistan: Punjab Governor Taseer

Punjab Governor Salman Taseer on Monday said that the United States or India were not involved in acts of terrorism in Pakistan.

Evidence of Indian involvement at Dialaogue table: Malik

Speaking to the media after meeting with clerics at the CM House here, Malik said the evidence of Indian involvement in Pakistan will be shared with New Delhi during composite dialogue between the two countries.

Rehman Malik is trying to be, as usual, clever-by-half knowing well that India is not inclined for a dialogue anytime soon.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Dec 2009 20:04

Rehman Malik is trying to be, as usual, clever-by-half knowing well that India is not inclined for a dialogue anytime soon.

Which brings up the question (again!) as to why the TSP establishment appears so keen outwardly at least for resumption of dialogue with Dilli. What's in it for them, apart from free chai biskoot?

Or is it only the civvie types hankering for talks whereas the fauji beards can't be seen as talking to the hated enemy?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Dec 2009 20:05

What a shocker from Rehman Malik saheb.

Malik said the army defends the country’s borders while the Ulema are the guardians of country’s ideology.

One thought the Army was doing both. With the spate of targetted attacks on the PA by the more pious Taliban, has the PA decided to divest itself of protecting the theological boundaries ? This is a cataclysmic shift, if true.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Dec 2009 20:17

Hari Seldon wrote:Which brings up the question (again!) as to why the TSP establishment appears so keen outwardly at least for resumption of dialogue with Dilli. What's in it for them, apart from free chai biskoot?

Hari, there are multiple reasons from a Pakistani PoV. Firstly, the US is exerting enormous pressure on Pakistan (and India too) for resumption of dialogue because in its flawed thinking it assumes that the conflict is merely irredentism. While India is able to significantly fend off such pressure, Pakistan is unable to do so because of its weaknesses. It has to appear to the US masters to be very keen to resume the dialogue. It also gives them the brownie points that it is after all India that refuses the dialogue, thus deflecting the blame on to us. Besides, once the dialogue starts, Pakistan may hope to extract more concession out of India, especially if there are to be some one-on-one meetings between the PMs (as it happened at S-e-S, for example). Thirdly, if the dialogue process starts and then there is a terrorist attack on India by the ISI, it can manage the fall-out much better than if there were no talks because then the Indians may even counter-attack Pakistan in their anger.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 07 Dec 2009 20:22

SSridhar wrote:
Evidence of Indian involvement at Dialaogue table: Malik
Speaking to the media after meeting with clerics at the CM House here, Malik said the evidence of Indian involvement in Pakistan will be shared with New Delhi during composite dialogue between the two countries.

Brilliant, isnt it, offering an incentive to India to attend talks - incentive being receipt of evidence against India itself. Is there any wonder MMS is not showing interest

Perhaps they should announce that evidence of Paki involvement in terror will be given, that would an incentive..

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 07 Dec 2009 20:46

Rmalik has his hours numbered he is going to be thrown out this week. S'tharoor all the Hon ministers in Delhi would be sweet towing this week like nukes are safe etc etc as Unkil feels if there is any harsh statement emanatiing from India ,TSP Army would be moved from west to east

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Dec 2009 21:15

Nowadays I am finding a whole lot of other Pakis yearning for the old comfortable equal equal with India. Pakis had convinced themselves that when it comes to military power, beauty, education, literacy culture, general smartness, wealth, influence etc - Pakistan was ahead of India, but India was ahead in dirt, poverty, starvation, ugliness cowardice, fissparous tendencies, bigotry etc. Of the twin nations that came out of British India, Pakistan was the far faaaar better alternative - God's gift to Paki-kind.

This comparison was easy to maintain as long as India treated Pakistan like an equal - as it has done for decades.

With India finally pulling itself away from Pakistan, there is almost a desperate call from Pakis - like a petulant child howling for the comforter he has just chucked overboard into the sea. "

Come back India. Talk to us. Be with us so we can compare ourselves favorably and feel happy. We are important. You do not belong in a different league. You are nowhere near China for example. You are worse than us. You need to get past us and we won;t let you get past! Come back!!

"

archan · Post by **archan** » 07 Dec 2009 21:16

Philip,
I see you just got a warning 5 days ago and you continue to post in a way that would make us concerned. Please rein in your anger unless you would like to have unpleasant surprises. Thanks.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 07 Dec 2009 21:37

Twin Blasts in Lahore

LAHORE: Twin blasts in Lahore have injured several people, some of them seriously, at Moon market in Iqbal Town Lahore, Geo News reported Monday.

Nothing is known so far about the nature of the blasts.

According to Geo News sources, the two blasts occurred within 30 seconds of each other. Fire erupted in the shops after the blasts.

Rescue efforts have been kick started, as the injured are being rushed to nearby hospital in 1122 ambulances. Efforts are also being made to put out the fire.

Moon market is a commercial center of Iqbal Town, Lahore, where shoppers are normally present in large numbers. A suicide attack had also been launched at a police station in this area on 13 August last year in which 8 people lost their lives.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=92999

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 07 Dec 2009 21:42

^ seems that this is on-side. what a all round show of batting on single day...right from third man(peshawar) to midwicket (lahore)

awaiting the score update

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 07 Dec 2009 21:50

^
There was also a Blast in Quetta in the afternoon.

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Lahore twin blasts kill 8, injure 60

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 07 Dec 2009 22:08

A real life story of an Indian Spy in Pakistan

Seven years ago, Maloy Krishna Dhar wrote Mission to Pakistan: An Intelligence Agent in Pakistan, describing the life of an Indian spy.

The former joint director of India’s Intelligence Bureau had always said his book was based on the life of an agent but he never revealed his identity.

In all likelihood, the real-life spy was Ravindra Kaushik, who died a humiliating death as Nabi Ahmed in 2002 at the age of 50 in a jail in Multan.

Seven years after he died, based on interviews with intelligence officials and Kaushik’s brother Rajeshwarnath, who lives in Jaipur, HT pieced together the Indian agent’s life story.

“There are resemblances between Kaushik’s character and my book’s protagonist,” Dhar finally admitted.

Born and brought up in Sriganganagar, a border town in Rajasthan, Kaushik grew up to be a charismatic college student, with above-average intelligence and looks. He was theatrically inclined, and staged mono-acting skits in college.

As an impressionable teenager growing up between 1965 and 1971, when India went to war with Pakistan, Kaushik became a fervent patriot.

“It was probably his mono-act in college in which he played an Indian army officer who refused to divulge information to China that caught the attention of intelligence officers,” said Rajeshwarnath Kaushik, two years younger than Ravindra.

Soon after completing his Bachelors in Commerce, Kaushik left for Delhi, entering a world of intrigue and danger.

He moved from there to Abu Dhabi and Dubai, ending up in Pakistan, writing letters home every once in a while to let his family know of his whereabouts.

In Pakistan, he converted to Islam, changed his name, married a local girl, graduated from a law college and finally, became the ultimate insider by entering the Pakistani army.

But just when he had infiltrated the inner fortress, his career came to an abrupt halt. In 1983, when he was 29, an Indian agent called Inayat Masiha, caught by Pakistan as he was crossing the border, blew Kaushik’s cover.

Masiha arranged to meet with Kaushik in a park, where Pakistan’s intelligence agencies arrested him on charges of espionage and threw him into a Multan jail. He remained there for 18 years.

Just three days before his death, he wrote a bitter letter home: “Had I been an American, I would have been out of this jail in three days.”

The only thing the government did after he died was to send his parents some money every month as pension, said Rajeshwar. The family first got Rs 500 a month, and after a few years, they began receiving Rs 2,000 a month -- until 2006, when their mother Amladevi died. Their father had already died of a stroke two years following his son’s death.

The only person in India who cherishes Kaushik’s memory is his younger brother. “He will always remain important for me,” Rajeshwar said. “But for the country, he was just another agent.”

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 07 Dec 2009 22:09

Tell poor abdul taking singles isnt going to cut it.While run rate is getting high, this dude is still thinking about taking 1's-2's.
They have to hit couple of 4's or atleast a 6 for next few over. I wonder when would they take PP?

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 07 Dec 2009 22:14

MSNBC just ran a flash update that a Chicago area suspect was formally charged with acts related to 26/11. Could be Headley or some other. Pretty cryptic which is another reason I really shouldnt be watching this channel. Aah well.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 07 Dec 2009 22:39

sreeji wrote:Nowadays, too many pakis are getting brainy and liberal. It is almost scary. How do we deal with RAPE like marvi II(atheist paki aunty) and Nadeem Paracha. As pakistan keeps going down the pakistan more of these types will keep coming out. Now that western countries have stopped importing porkis, how do we prevent these people from entering India as future refugees.

Nadeem Paracha saying how he was anti american in his youth(but got enlightened when he sensed that the paki ship was sinking?).

give them asylum?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Dec 2009 22:42

there was a report about charlie's post above

Nothing wrong with this post, and it doesn't violate any rules, but I am afraid, we might just expose cover of some others inadvertently by making this kind of sensitive information public, esp when BR is so closely watched by pakis. I am deeply moved by post, but for greater sake of other brothers who might be working in TSP for our defense, I think, we should remove this, and inform the poster in nice and kind manner the above reason. Thanks. XXXX

this information is public information and NOT sensitive. I first heard of it during '99 kargil war.
so rest easy ! if someone else is in TSP now, this will not help the pakis in any way to find them.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 07 Dec 2009 22:59

Johann wrote:
Raju wrote: Oil in the middle-east was discovered in the 40s. The powers that be calculated that India was at the mouth of this oil wealth and would gain tremendously.

thus the creation of Pakistan.
neatly cutting off India's land access to ME.
Yes, quite right.

The Truman administration and Attlee governments were *far* more worried about Nehru's India than Stalin's Soviet Union!!

An India, that unlike Ireland, or Boer controlled South Africa, chose to remain in the Commonwealth, an India which maintained liaison with MI5, and which retained Mountbatten as Governor-General.

Mid East oil was first struck by the British in southern Iran in the 1910s. Keeping the Soviet Union from annexing Iran, and preventing the communists take over was always the first priority.

Even in the 1980s when Khomeini's goons were chanting 'death to America', and Hezbollah was blowing up US embassies in Lebanon and hijacking flights, the US when forced to chose preferred Khomeini to the Soviets, supplying lists of Tudeh members to the regime.

Of course, I'm sure that was also aimed at containing India.

Johann, are you being sarcastic or this is truly your views?

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 07 Dec 2009 23:01

Pakastani players will not play in IPL 3: Modi
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 311998.cms
Thank you, Lalit Modi.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Dec 2009 23:02

Charlie wrote:Twin Blasts in Lahore

LAHORE: Twin blasts in Lahore have injured several people, some of them seriously, at Moon market in Iqbal Town Lahore, Geo News reported Monday. {Snipped} ...............

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=92999

The death toll in todays second fatal demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan now stands at 20:

Lahore twin blasts kill 20, injure 63

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 07 Dec 2009 23:16

Stan_Savljevic wrote:Pakastani players will not play in IPL 3: Modi
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 311998.cms
Thank you, Lalit Modi.

i think tsp will start dubai league with all pakis from the umma land.

hope paki is not a rasist word

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Dec 2009 23:17

Johann, are you being sarcastic or this is truly your views?

Could what Johann says is correct because the ME was using Indian Rupee as a currency those times?

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 07 Dec 2009 23:37

A retired major in the Pakistani military, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed, also was charged with conspiracy in planning to attack the newspaper in Denmark. So was Tahawwur Hussain Rana, whom U.S. authorities identify as a Pakistani native and Canadian citizen who lives mainly in Chicago.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/07/ame ... index.html

this would answer 'rehman chacha' in the dosier

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Dec 2009 23:38

harbans wrote:Johann, are you being sarcastic or this is truly your views?

Could what Johann says is correct because the ME was using Indian Rupee as a currency those times?

It is true. When Nehru visited Russia in 1935 the British were worried.
The security of ME and OIL is based on India and the region being free from any other power. Russia was the most powerful power after WWII and UK was worried about safety of ME. UK suggested the role of NAM to India to keep it free from influences.
Location of India and the region is the most strategic and with CAS being the next target IOR is extremely important.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4812906/India-and-Geopolitics

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 07 Dec 2009 23:45

Ananya wrote:this would answer 'rehman chacha' in the dosier

Nope, "Rehman chacha" is definitely Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi.

This guy is likely the same Abdul Rehman who is an associate of Sajid Mir, LeT's head of global operations.

Sajid Mir is almost surely the unnamed LeT member in the affidavit.

Sajid is also a TSPA afsar...