Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby KaranR » 19 Dec 2009 04:30

anupmisra wrote:
KaranR wrote:It seems all the army Generals of Pakistan dream of becoming Saladin (1137 -1193) ('Salah Ad-din Yusuf Ibn Ayyub). Their Jerusalem seem to be Srinagar.


Delhi, my friend, Delhi. More specifically, Delhi's red fort. Every two-bit paki general's (and their arab patrons') wet dream.


Yes also Delhi their eternal dream :)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Pranay » 19 Dec 2009 07:43

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/world ... ?ref=world

Pakistan Ministers Are Called Before the Courts

By JANE PERLEZ and SALMAN MASOOD
Published: December 18, 2009

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A sweeping Supreme Court decision that reopened corruption cases against thousands of politicians, including President Asif Ali Zardari, reverberated through the government on Friday as important ministers were barred from leaving the country and ordered to appear before the courts in the coming weeks.

Among those immediately affected were the interior minister, Rehman Malik, who is considered particularly close to the United States, and the defense minister, Ahmad Mukhtar, raising concerns about how effectively the Zardari government, under pressure from a violent Islamic insurgency, could continue to function.

The two men were among 247 officials, also including Salman Faruqui, the chief of staff to Mr. Zardari, placed on what is known as an exit control list. It bars them from leaving Pakistan, a measure Pakistani authorities often use to ensure that those under criminal investigation do not abscond.

At least 52 politicians were called to appear before corruption courts, according to the National Accountability Bureau, the anticorruption unit that was ordered by the Supreme Court on Wednesday to act expeditiously in reopening the cases.

By the end of the day on Friday, Mr. Faruqui had won an interim bail order from the Sindh High Court, a measure that would prevent him from being arrested, legal experts said.

Mr. Malik had also been ordered to appear before the Sindh High Court, according to Pakistan’s Express News television channel. Attempts to reach a spokesman for Mr. Malik were unsuccessful.

President Zardari has immunity from prosecution under the Constitution. He remained defiant on Friday against calls from the main opposition party that he step down.

Moreover, he has no intention of asking cabinet ministers or colleagues facing corruption charges to quit, a media adviser, Farahnaz Ispahani, said Friday.

“The president is fighting fit,” Ms. Ispahani said. “The president was clear that our Pakistan Peoples Party ministers would not be asked to resign merely on the basis of accusation.”

A cabinet reshuffle in which “some people will be out and some will be moved” will be the main response to the revocation of the amnesty by the Supreme Court, Ms. Ispahani said.

But as Mr. Zardari and his party, the Pakistan Peoples Party, the biggest in Pakistan, battled to survive, a groundswell of media and public opinion seemed to exult in the Supreme Court decision.

“We’ve never seen the mighty in this country held accountable,” said Babar Sattar, a Harvard-trained constitutional lawyer.

Now that the court, backed by public opinion, has come down hard on corruption in a way not seen before in Pakistan, the affected politicians are not sure how to react, Mr. Sattar said.

The confused response was evident when Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani dismissed the interior secretary, Qamar-uz Zaman Chaudhry, and three officials of the Federal Investigation Agency on Friday evening for barring Mr. Mukhtar, the defense minister, from traveling abroad on Thursday.

The incident was an embarrassment to the governing Pakistan Peoples Party and the defense minister, who was leaving for China on an official visit and called the move “shameful.”


A statement released by the prime minister’s office stated that the officials had not verified whether the minister’s name was on the exit control list and that their actions had “brought a bad name to the country :rotfl: .”


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 19 Dec 2009 08:13

Pakistan in a tizzy as NRO verdict is implemented - Nirupama Subramanian

This was why President Zardari did not want to reinstate the dismissed Iftikhar Chaudhry as CJP. The Army forced him to do that. Now, this has neatly deflected the demands for prosecuting Musharraf even as he is watching the fun comfortably. The PA has helped its former COAS enormously even as it appears outwardly not to be an actor in this drama.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby disha » 19 Dec 2009 08:33

AnantD wrote:
ArmenT wrote:
Guess why Paki F-16s cannot retract their wheels below 2500 feet and have reduced thrust?


So that they can't be used for A2G bombing role? Prevent the lob-toss??


This prevents them from flying in Low under radar because of the extra drag of the wheels and the reduced thrust means they can be caught/shot down if they attempt it easily. Hence no penetrating heavily defended areas for sneak nuke attacks. :(( :lol:


Also increases crossection and hence a bigger RADAR signature from all sides.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby shravan » 19 Dec 2009 10:32

3 killed in Quetta shooting

Saturday, December 19, 2009
QUETTA: Three police officials including a DSP have been killed when unknown gunmen opened fire at a police mobile in Shaikh Umer Road in Quetta.

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Explosion in Peshawar

Saturday, December 19, 2009
PESHAWAR: A blast occurred in Afridiabad area of Peshawar on Saturday, police sources said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Dilbu » 19 Dec 2009 10:34

Insurgents forced out of Pakistan's tribal havens form smaller cells in heart of nation
The spread of fighters is an unintended consequence of a relatively successful effort by the United States and Pakistan to disrupt the insurgents' operations, through missile strikes launched by unmanned CIA aircraft and a ground offensive carried out this fall in South Waziristan by the Pakistani army.

American and Pakistani officials say the militants' widening reach has added to the challenge for both nations' intelligence, which must now track an insurgent diaspora that can infiltrate Pakistan's teeming cities and blend seamlessly with the local population. A Pakistani intelligence official said the offensive had put militants "on the run" but added: "Now they're all over -- Afghanistan, North Waziristan and inside Pakistan."

"They have scattered their network and structure," said Muhammad Amir Rana, director of the Pak Institute for Peace Studies, a security-oriented think tank. "It's easy for many of them to hide in Punjab or Karachi."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Rudradev » 19 Dec 2009 12:27

^^
IMO the above article could reflect a smokescreen set up by the Paki lobby.

By making the case that new Islamist cells in the "heart of the nation" are being set up by "insurgents forced out of the Tribal regions", the article obscures the reality that vast militias of anti-US Islamists already exist in the heart of the nation... the Tanzeems of South Punjab. From now on, any terrorist actions in Lahore, Slumbad, Karachi etc. can be conveniently ascribed to cells of "insurgents forced out of the Tribal regions" rather than local actors... LeT, JeM etc. who enjoy the patronage of the TSPA and ISI.

The Pakis are desperate to avoid American attention focussing on the South Punjab Tanzeems (as opposed to the Tehreek-e-Taliban, who have already been established in the American mind as the "villains" in the WoT). So it makes ample sense for them to trot out such a red herring.

For example:

Pakistani officials insist that they are doing as much as they can to counter the extremist threat and that they are paying the price. In recent months, militants have unleashed a wave of attacks in Punjab province, the military's home base, with many of the strikes carried out by fighters who have left the Federally Administered Tribal Areas as the pressure there has mounted.


The article is also very congratulatory about the Pakis' efforts at mounting a "successful" offensive against militants in the "Tribal regions"... which smells of Lifafa to me.
The spread of fighters is an unintended consequence of a relatively successful effort by the United States and Pakistan to disrupt the insurgents' operations, through missile strikes launched by unmanned CIA aircraft and a ground offensive carried out this fall in South Waziristan by the Pakistani army.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Marut » 19 Dec 2009 14:06

disha wrote:
AnantD wrote:

This prevents them from flying in Low under radar because of the extra drag of the wheels and the reduced thrust means they can be caught/shot down if they attempt it easily. Hence no penetrating heavily defended areas for sneak nuke attacks. :(( :lol:


Also increases crossection and hence a bigger RADAR signature from all sides.


AnantD & disha, thanks for confirming my hunch!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Rony » 19 Dec 2009 15:01

The latest paki paranoia acting
What alarms Pakistan most is the possibility that India will gain control over the water from two Afghan rivers that flow into the volatile Pakistan border regions, where water shortages could inflame local insurgencies.

The fear now is that India will use the Afghan dams to deny Pakistan's border regions the water they need to sustain their farms and hydropower projects

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Philip » 19 Dec 2009 16:46

On the slippery slope again- By Irfan Husain
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -929-zj-01

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Dec 2009 19:22

Hmm, BRFers are fringe Indians.

Dawn news item

LAHORE: Spokesperson for Congress - India's ruling party, Rajiv Shukla said that the Indian government does not blame the Pakistani government and people for the Mumbai attacks.

During an exclusive interview with DawnNews, Shukla said Pakistan currently faces greater challenges from terrorism than India and ‘faces Mumbai attacks every day.’

The Indian government, he said, has not given anti-Pakistan statements but only demanded that the perpetrators of 26/11 be brought to justice.

‘Pakistan bashing does not work anymore in Indian politics. And we do not blame the government or its people for 26/11.’

Shukla said if Pakistan and India fight terrorists together, then terrorism can end. ‘A prosperous Pakistan is in India’s best interest,’ he added.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Mahendra » 19 Dec 2009 19:41

Rajiv_Shukla wrote:Hmm, BRFers are fringe Indians.

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Shukla said if Pakistan and India fight terrorists together, then terrorism can end. ‘A prosperous Pakistan is in India’s best interest,’ he added.


Minor correction
A prosperous and well fed India will always ensure that Bakistan is busy and occupied at most times with things other than terrorism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Mahendra » 19 Dec 2009 19:57

Today seems to be the day of Carrom balls against tail enders (DSPs) by Talibajanta-Mendis
Explosion in Peshawar; DSP escapes unhurt
The DSP of Pissawar manages to get an inside edge to the ball otherwise hitting the top of off stump.

Three, including DSP, killed in Quetta shooting

DSP of Quetta was not so lucky, came in as a night-watchman but was bamboozled by the carrom ball leaving the middle order exposed for some fun..hopefully tomorrow

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby VishalJ » 20 Dec 2009 00:32

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_american-fighter-jets-intrude-into-pakistani-airspace_1325421

.......The tribesmen protested against the intrusion by the US fighters, saying international norms do not allow aircraft of a foreign country to fly over an independent nation without its permission............
Is that a joke or eccentric journalism ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 20 Dec 2009 02:28

^
Tribesmen are well versed in international laws, especially those involving international borders. Durand line has tremendous respect among tribes. They also have awareness about fighter jets. They can make out the difference between an Pakistan f-16A/B block 15 and an American f-16D block 52 just by the sound 10 miles away.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby AnantD » 20 Dec 2009 03:06

Looks like Pukis National bird just got bigger and better.


THis is really insulting Baakistaaan :P Pliz do not change National bird that blesses Talibs. First the bird was small, so it was called breadeater, then it became teen- ager and called reaber, and finally now "the beast of Kandahar". This is the national bird of TSP.

The bigger fighter jets that flew around for 2 hours were in response to the vijjaas being denied to the Khans for being arrogant, the next step Bakistaan will take will be to kick them all out, all 414 of them.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Gagan » 20 Dec 2009 03:23

ArmenT wrote: Guess why Paki F-16s cannot retract their wheels below 2500 feet and have reduced thrust?

AnantD wrote:This prevents them from flying in Low under radar because of the extra drag of the wheels and the reduced thrust means they can be caught/shot down if they attempt it easily. Hence no penetrating heavily defended areas for sneak nuke attacks. :(( :lol:

disha wrote:Also increases crossection and hence a bigger RADAR signature from all sides.

What wonderful news!

Is this for real?
Would you guys please elaborate, any links on the web?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Gagan » 20 Dec 2009 03:28

For many years it was rumoured that the massa supplied block 15s to the fizzaiya didn't have radars to enable them to conduct accurate bombing or fighting air to air battles.

Ultimately the fizzaiya jerry rigged them to be bomb trucks for the bums.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby AnantD » 20 Dec 2009 03:32

Gagan:

If ArmenT's statement about 2,500 ft is the altitude below which landing gear stays down, and reduced thrust is true, then the outcome is what I state.

At lower altitudes (like sea level), needed to avoid radar for penetrating enemy airspace, fighter planes when "clean" can barely make mach 1, so with gear down (tremendous drag, maybe "twice" what it is clean) and then reduced thrust to top it off, is going to mean they can be shot down by Kiran's. :rotfl:

Also, they probably had basic air to air radar only to shoot at Russian planes intruding from Afghanistan in the 80's. The Air to Ground mode, and accurate seekers were missing. I think the US promised this stuff after the S Waziristan efforts by TSPA, but now this vizzaa denial takleef has started, so dunno.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Guddu » 20 Dec 2009 03:39

Marut wrote:
ArmenT wrote: Guess why Paki F-16s cannot retract their wheels below 2500 feet and have reduced thrust?


So that they can't be used for A2G bombing role? Prevent the lob-toss??


Could you explain, please...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby AnantD » 20 Dec 2009 03:56

Could you explain, please...


You can't do Air to Ground role from low altitude when the wheels are down and the plane thinks its going to land.

The lob toss is a manouver that was practiced or developed so a fighter plane, flying in low to a target area, avoids the effects/damage from a nuke going off that it itself dropped!

Pakis made pictures and paintings of this manouver to hang in their generals bedrooms!

It consists of flying in fast, level and low, undetected by radar due to ground clutter. Then rising up suddenly near the target to do an loop, releasing the nuke on the way up (the lob toss), so that it goes up, instead of down, and hence needs more time to get close to the target and detonate. Meanwhile the fighter delivering the weapon, continues in the loop, reaches a higher altitude and then flips over and continues back where it came from, trying to put a lot of distance between itself and the explosion. A nuke could easily knock out electronics/ or even the plane itself from several miles away, depending on yield.

This is a tactic developed for fighters to deliver nukes, and TSP/fizzaya adopted because they didn't know if their Korean ding-dongs would land on Isloo or Delhi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Raja Bose » 20 Dec 2009 03:59

Gagan wrote:I don't think that news item about people using a 26$ software to recieve the unencrypted signals of Predator drones is credible. This news is more likely a plant.

I just don't expect the US military to have unencrypted data transfer ANYWHERE.


Actually control and feedback channels will always be encrypted (so you cannot take over a drone) but video was not since they were transferring a comparatively huge amount of frame data (even with compression, assuming low frame rate etc.) in real-time - so there is a constraint in terms of timely delivery also. All that must have been fixed now. It is quite common in embedded systems where processing overhead can dominate in terms of the cost.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Rahul M » 20 Dec 2009 04:51

AnantD wrote:Also, they probably had basic air to air radar only to shoot at Russian planes intruding from Afghanistan in the 80's. The Air to Ground mode, and accurate seekers were missing. I think the US promised this stuff after the S Waziristan efforts by TSPA, but now this vizzaa denial takleef has started, so dunno.

IIRC sniper pods were provided to PAF.

secondly, is the landing gear news recent ? because I seem to remember that this problem was 'rectified' by US sometime back after much :(( :(( by TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby amdavadi » 20 Dec 2009 05:07



This Interview was conducted 1 month before 1971 war. We truly need someone like IG to lead India today. I thought
i would never say this but IG was truly Chanakyan.She knew pakis to the core.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 20 Dec 2009 05:49

You gotta hand it to her-she was intimidated by no one.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 20 Dec 2009 06:12

The Pakhtun, the Taliban and Imran Khan ---- Farhat Taj
This is in response to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan’s recent declaration that he is ready to mediate and start negotiations with the Taliban to secure a peace agreement if the government is willing to guarantee that it would not scrap the peace deal with them under US pressure. He made this offer in an interview with Dr Moeed Pirzada on a private TV channel. By now Imran Khan stands fully exposed that he is one of the forces of darkness — the jihadi generals like Hamid Gul, the Jamaat-e-Islami and other pan-Islamists like the Deobandis, neo-Wahabis and Akhwan ideologues. Together they have given the Taliban identity to the Pakhtun and caused massacre of over three million of them on both sides of the Durand Line. They continue to destroy the Pakhtun for a great game against India and in the name of global Islamism. It is, however, the duty of all educated Pakhtuns to challenge the bizarre fabrications that Imran Khan attributed to the people of FATA to justify his offer.
Imran Khan said one of the Taliban groups is made of tribesmen who hate the US and attack the state and society in Pakistan because they see the country in alliance with the US. This is a bizarre fantasy of Imran Khan having nothing to do with tribesmen in FATA. There are no tribesmen who are killing innocent civilians and security forces due to anti-US sentiment. The tribesmen who have joined the Taliban groups are seen as criminals by their fellow tribesmen. The tribesmen who have joined the ranks of different Taliban groups are lost to the global jihadi ideology of the al Qaeda and stand stripped of Pakhtunwali. They are no more Pakhtun! They themselves have given up their Pakhtun identity. They claim to fight for global Islam that disrespects ethnic sensitivities.
[b]The militants, in Imran Khan’s own words in the interview, are 15,000. Clearly not all of them are tribesmen. They include the Punjabi Taliban and foreign terrorists. There are no signs that these 15,000 or so terrorists are backed by tribal society. There has never been any grand tribal jirga in any tribal area that backed the terrorists, local or foreign. The Taliban groups in FATA are Hafiz Gul Abrader Groups, Haqqani Group, Mullah Nazeer Group, Turkistan Brittani Group, Tariq Afridi Group, Mangal Bagh Group, and Maulvi Omar Group. These terrorist groups are killing indiscriminately inside and beyond FATA. None of them had ever been backed by tribal jirgas. In fact, some of them have banned jirgas and termed them as ‘un-Islamic’ institutions.
These groups have to be crushed for peace in Pakhtunkhwa and wider Pakistan. Anyone seeking dialogue with such groups is the enemy of the Pakhtun and Pakistan.[/b]

The most outrageous statement he made is that the assassinated tribal leadership in Waziristan was pro-US. The leadership has been eliminated by the Taliban with state collusion according to the families of the assassinated people. I challenge Imran Khan to prove that even a single person among the assassinated 600-plus tribal leaders, religious scholars, teachers, doctors, etc., was pro-US! Were respectable tribal elders like Shah Alam Wazir, Khandan Mehsud, Mirza Alam Mehsud, Mohammad Nawaz Mehsud, and Farooq Wazir pro-US? The Taliban beheaded Mufti Sibghatullah and killed Maulana Mohammad Hussain, Imam of Godam Mosque, Tank. Does Imran Khan believe that those religious scholars were also pro-US? Imran Khan must tender an unconditional apology to the people of Waziristan, especially to the family of the assassinated people for making this bizarre statement.
Exploiting the infamous anti-Indian stance, he argues that the government of Pakistan is pleasing India by making the soldiers of the Pakistan Army fight with the Taliban. This is the interpretation of the pro-jihadi forces in Pakistan. It is not the view of the people of FATA. This war is not about India or the US. It is about us — the citizens of Pakistan, whose lives are disrupted by the terrorists who are hell bent upon subjugating us to their version of shariah. The jihadi pursuit of our state created these terrorists and it is now the duty of the state to eliminate them if Pakistan has to survive as a modern democratic state.


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Washing one’s sins
Sir: The other day I was checking my son’s Islamic Studies homework and came across a question asking students: “What is that act/thing which can wash away all of human beings’ sins?” My son’s answer was: ‘NRO’.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby AnantD » 20 Dec 2009 06:33

Mrs G had what it took in that time and day to get the job done. Love the way she blew off Yahya Khan! :rotfl:

And the part about "something will have to be done, but don't know what" 8) :lol: No wonder Nixon thought she was a witch :(( :mrgreen: :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Ananya » 20 Dec 2009 07:34



Suprising after seeing the video posted above and this looks like History repeats itself 8)

these guys must be given a thrashing which would take genarations to recover

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Raja Bose » 20 Dec 2009 10:10

The tiny smile Indira Gandhi gives @4:51 when she says "Something will have to be done"....that tells all :mrgreen: A lady with a million faults but when the push came to shove she had the balls when nobody else did.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Sriman » 20 Dec 2009 10:28


Haha, someone has left a comment for BRF there. Appears very agitated :(

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby archan » 20 Dec 2009 10:39

Sriman wrote:

Haha, someone has left a comment for BRF there. Appears very agitated :(

The userid used is basanti. I can think of 1 user who was big time into Gabbar and sholay in general. :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Philip » 20 Dec 2009 11:36

"Dejas vu"? Amazing to see and hear dear old Mrs.G. the tallest man in India during her lifetime speak in such a concerned and commanding way about the terribel events in E.Pak that led to the birth of B'Desh.I only wish that our current crop of rulers at the helm of afffairs watch this clip and speak in similar manner-and act similarly if they have too.Mrs.G. postuilated and protected India's interests like no PM has done ,including her illustrious father.

In the current scenario,the GOI must take stock of the desperate situ that Pak is in and listen to Mrs. G.,follow her example and "be prepared" for any eventuality.As in '71,the current establishment in Pak is even more deadly than the corrupt military regime of Yahya Khan,as it has been infused with the poison of Islamist fundamentalism and hatred of India.In order to get off the hook that the US has left them hanging upon,adventurism against India is the time honoured tradition of the Paki military elite,who call the shots even now.The further revelations from the grave by BiBi Butto,about Gen.Bandicoot's pleas to "take Srinagar",only show the Paki military to be the true heirs of the barbaric invaders who ravaged India centuries ago.Undre no circumstances should we allow our guard to drop and perhaps the ONLY way forward to safeguard India is to dismember Pak yet again and again.The Pakis are doing a fine job of doing it themselves right now and we should enciurage them to "stay the course" of self destruction in our own interests.

What would Mrs.G. have done had she been alive and PM at this critical juncture? Obama is not a Nixon and Hillary not a Henry Kissinger by any means and we have Kill-any in stead of Yayha,with a quivering Zardari in place of his late father-in-law,Zulfie! The GOI must put themselves into thinking and analysing the situ like Indira did and once a course of action is decided upon,there should be no looking back.

Here's a fine item about deteriorating US-Pak intle relations.

Comment: US-Pakistani Spy Relations Just Short of Open War
December 19, 2009

ISI HQ
By JOSEPH FITSANAKIS* | intelNews.org |


http://intelligencenews.wordpress.com/2 ... 19/01-339/

** FULL article was copy pasted without even quote tags. Edited. You are back to your old ways. This cannot be tolerated forever, I am sorry. ***
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 20 Dec 2009 14:39

Quaid-e-Azam's Ideals
Pakistanis keep inventing new and bizarre reasons for the creation of their land.
One of them felt that in creating a separate country, Quaid-i-Azam was actually carving out a space where universal human ideals could be achieved, something he found unachievable in the framework of the Indian union { :rotfl: Pakistan has achieved universal human ideals ? How ? By treating minorities and women as second class citizens ? By ensuring the minority population dwindle from 30 % in 1947 to 3% in 2009 ? By ex-communicating a section of Muslims and heaping untold miseries on them ? By bombing Imambargahs, and by constantly threatening to ex-communicate Shi'a ? By subscribing the State to only a narrow Deobandi/Wahhabi interpretation of Islam to the exclusion of others ? By sponsoring terrorism against the kufr ? By bombing its own people and by indulging in the worst genocide that killed ten million citizens of their own country ?} that carried the baggage of centuries of communal identities. By articulating the aspirations of the marginalised Muslim minority and eventually seeking the creation of a separate country for it, he was actually working towards the creation of a political entity where the communal question could be put to rest by following progressive ideals, unifying all citizens as one nation.{Not being a TFTA mard and being a poor SDRE kafir onlee, I fail to understand how creation of a communal Pakistan can put the communal question to rest. Won't that be the very basis for further communal troubles as history has shown it to be ?}

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 20 Dec 2009 18:31

Meanwhile, in the land of make believe, where the king has no clothes, the kingmaker had this to say:

'They would only lift my dead body from Presidency': Dus Percenti

Rejecting hardliners’ view to deal with the current situation, el Presidente dus Percenti made it clear that PPP would never use Sindh Card to achieve political ends.


Further clarifying what the ex-jailbird actually meant, dus percenti continued digging his own grave by stating:
“I am opposed to Mujeebur Rehman style of politics" adding how could a person think of using Sindh Card who had raised the slogan of Pakistan Khappy (We need Pakistan) at the time of Shaheed BB’s assassination.
thus adding to confusion between the terms "Khappay (rhyming with dabbay or boxes)" and "Khappy (rhyming with happy)". Happy pukistan indeed.

On the question of resignation, dus percenti reportedly said that he would not resign come what may. “They would only lift my dead body from the Presidency,” he said, referring to his opponents.
:rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 20 Dec 2009 18:40

^Time to build a tomb for dus percenti's 'lassh' in Surrey Mahal

Investigate Zardari's 'Surrey Mahal': SC

Zardari is alleged to have spent more than £300,000 on renovations of the 20-room mansion, including building his own private polo field and an exact copy of the local village pub, the Telegraph reported on Friday.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby arun » 20 Dec 2009 18:58

Quite a rant by the Ameer of Jama’at-e-Islami, Syed Munawar Hassan , about India:

India latest edition of Nazism, says Munawar
Published: December 17, 2009

LAHORE - On the third and final day of its anti-India protest drive, the Jama’at-e-Islami (JI) on Wednesday staged demonstrations and rallies all over the country against India’s involvement in terrorism, and called upon the Federal Capital to present New Delhi’s real face to the world and adopt a bold stance against the enemy.

Addressing the party workers at Mansoora, JI Ameer Syed Munawar Hassan termed India as 21st century edition of Nazism, which was committing genocide of Kashmiri Muslims, whereas the United Nations, world community and human rights bodies were not pressing for Kashmiris’ right to plebiscite simply because they were Muslims.

He said that December 16 reminded the nation of the tragic incident of losing the eastern wing of the country due to Indian conspiracies. India, he said, was again hatching conspiracies against the remaining Pakistan while the Interior and the Foreign Ministries were defending New Delhi instead of taking any action against it. He, however, believed that the brave Pakistani nation would foil India’s nefarious designs through unity in its ranks and the spirit of Jehad. ……………..


Adding to the Ameer’s rant Jama’at-e-Islami Secretary General Liaquat Baloch had this to say:

………… US was the mastermind of terrorism in the country whereas India was acting as its agent. He said that the bomb blasts at Moon Market were planned by India.


From here

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Postby RamaP » 20 Dec 2009 19:08

If we put the TSP issue in context with Iran, perhaps we can find a reason as to why Obama administration and the Israelis are delaying stringent actions against the Iranians. After almost 8 years of carte blanche to TSPA, the Americans are waking up to the fact that TSP is the root cause of Afghanistan's problems . And perhaps that might be the reason Americans are slowly tightening the screws on TSP.Instead of openly confronting the enemy,Americans might be adopting a Machiavellian way of bringing TSP in line.


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