Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 04 Jan 2010 07:56

You heard it here first. Apparently, there is a Shaheed Benazir Bhutto International Boxing Tournament in memory of her constantly duking it out with her fellow countrymen.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 04 Jan 2010 07:59

Did not see this posted here -
Haji Omar Khan, Senior Taliban leader reported killed in New Year's Eve strike, Bill Roggio, LWJ
Some excerpts from that piece -

Haji Omar was based in Shakai in South Waziristan, before the Pakistani military launched an operation in mid-October. He and his followers then sought shelter in North Waziristan. This occurred despite the peace agreement between the government and the North Waziristan Taliban stating they would not shelter Taliban fighters fleeing the South Waziristan operation.

"We have caught many people who were trying to help the Americans, either directly or through Pakistan. We do not waste our bullets on them. We slaughter them."

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 04 Jan 2010 08:08

Further to the post by Johann on the killings of CIA Officials by the ISI -
Afghans Answering the Call to Fight by Carlotta Gall, NYT

Supported by American Special Forces troops, and led by Afghan intelligence officials, the effort has been building for six months and is now gaining traction in some rural areas where Afghan and NATO forces are too thinly spread to stop the Taliban’s encroachment.

The militias, working alongside Afghan and NATO forces, recently helped clear several areas of insurgents. The gains may not be permanent, but they have dealt a setback to the Taliban, the officials said.
For three years President Hamid Karzai called for former mujahedeen forces to be revived but failed to find Western support for the idea, until now.

“We should use former mujahedeen, formally and logically, as they have the sense of how to fight the Taliban,” he said. During the resistance period the mujahedeen had forces in every village, General Daoud said. Still loyal to their parties and their local leaders, they represent an extensive network of potential fighters, informants and helpers throughout the country, he said.

While it has been easy to mobilize Turkmen and Uzbek tribes, who are under threat from the Taliban, it has been harder to encourage local Pashtun communities to resist the Taliban, who are largely Pashtun.

Worth reading in full! No wonder the ISI caught on to it pretty quickly and sought to take remedial action. The Americans should be impressed with this prompt action. Sometimes I wonder whose side the US State Department is! Is it really on the American side?

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 04 Jan 2010 08:30

Where’s that counter-terror strategy? Mosharraf Zaidi asks

Starts well, but then lapses into comparing pakistan with Australia and drawing bizarre though seemingly fair conclusions. He should know that pakistan has ceased to be a functioning state. Seeking for vitamin prescriptions, and advising healthy living, when the need is for multiple cauterisations (if at all possible) or worse euthanasia!

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 04 Jan 2010 08:43

a_kumar wrote:I am wondering if it will be anything more than symbolic. Where do the real Rs. come from? subscriptions? I have tough time believing that.

I am not sure if the transition is complete, but advertisers were going to be the biggest source of income on paper. Maybe its these guys that need some attention and ofcourse online traffic.

Ultimately, advertisers will go with whatever medium gives them the largest exposure. So yes, giving your business to another newspaper will help.

But I wonder if this initiative by the ToI is nothing more than the INC gearing up for an election somewhere. I remember the BJP was advertising online in the Pak papers before the 2009 Lok Sabha elections.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 04 Jan 2010 08:56

Foreigners among five killed in NWA drone strike

PESHAWAR/MIRAMSHAH: Five people, two of them locals and three foreigners, were killed and a few others sustained injuries in a missile attack by a CIA-operated spy aircraft on a Hujra and an adjacent house in Mosaki village in Mirali subdivision, North Waziristan, on Sunday evening.

An official of the political administration and residents of the Mosaki village told The News by telephone that four drones were continuously flying over the town since Sunday afternoon.They said a drone fired two missiles at the Hujra of local tribesmen, Jan Roz and his brother Sadiq Noor. They said a nearby house was also damaged.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 04 Jan 2010 09:07

Re: Gen Kapoor - Pakis being Pakis. Since they find demonising personalities easier than institutions, they are targetting him. Look out for Go Kappor Go posters in next WKK bhai bhai meet in lawhore.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Jan 2010 09:11

Yossef Bodansky crystal ball gazing for events in 2010:

Published : 29th December 2009

Interests in Afghanistan and Pakistan Set to Collide, With Global Implications

The coming year: 2010, will see a growing clash of conflicting mega-trends in the Afghanistan-Pakistan theater; trends which will ultimately have long-term impact not only on the region, but on all of Eurasia and global energy and political arenas.

These main mega-trends are: …………………..

2. Pakistan’s Needs: The need for Pakistan to regain its influence over the “Taliban” in order to ensure Pakistani dominance over its own territory and much of Afghanistan has to be a priority for Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) organization. Islamabad has little option but to strive to regain such control in order to reverse the growing Indian influence in Afghanistan and to improve Pakistani ability to withstand a forthcoming crisis, even war, with India . There is evidence that many in Islamabad are convinced that such a war is imminent. The strategic ascent of the PRC and the ensuing effective encirclement of India by the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and its allies (east to west: Myanmar-Bangladesh-PRC-Nepal-Pakistan) will ultimately compel India to attempt a strategic breakout. In an effort to contain India , the PRC is increasing pressure by supporting Maoist and secessionist movements in northeastern India , as well as empowering Pakistan to intensify the ISI’s support for the jihadist insurgency in Kashmir. For its part, India is intensifying support for Pushtun and Baluchi insurgencies inside Pakistan from facilities in Afghanistan . A vicious cycle of wars-by-proxy is rapidly escalating. The PRC is thus instigating crises which might possibly lead to a wider war in which Pakistan will inevitably be involved. Under such conditions, it is vital for the ISI to ensure Islamabad ’s control over the strategically crucial terrain and pertinent population. ..........................................

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Vinod Ji · Post by **Vinod Ji** » 04 Jan 2010 09:19

RE Gen. Kapoor

Please understand the Paki mindset. There the real power is Chief of Army. If he says some thing it is Gospel . They tend to think it is the same every where so for them Kapoor is akin to Kiyani.

A paki colleague when wanting to impress us of his clout, will always name drop generals.
Indian on the other hand secretary or minister.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2010 09:21

Malayappan wrote:No wonder the ISI caught on to it pretty quickly and sought to take remedial action. The Americans should be impressed with this prompt action. Sometimes I wonder whose side the US State Department is! Is it really on the American side?

ISI caught it because it is the one devising the Taliban (both Afghan and Pakistani) strategies and tactics. They were originally with the mujahideen, they then formed the Taliban and had been with them ever since even at Kunduz. Why should they change their support when their need for 'strategic depth' has only become stronger and their will to destroy India is only getting similarly stronger by the day ? Each passing month in Afghanistan has been bringing only more body bags for the US and other NATO forces. American deaths have doubled in circa 2009 from the figures of 2008. From July to October, 2009 were particularly bloody culminating in the December 30 attack in Khost. After denying and denying for ages that there was nothing called a Quetta Shura and no Taliban could be found in Balochsitan, Rehman Malik conceded recently that the Quetta Shura has been significantly damaged. The Americans have been frustrated by alternating stonewalling and obfuscation by the PA even as the ISI coordinates and directs the Taliban strategy and tactics. They are completely aware of this as every other leader and newspaper article speaks about this collusion, but seem helpless. Musharraf outflanked the Americans by his 'Peace Treaties' with the Taliban which only helped them to consolidate. When the American pressure became more unbearable, the PA launched fake Army operations by bombing, strafing and shelling mud houses of ordinary civilians and claiming to have killed hundreds of Taliban terrorists. They have now started to re-appear in Bajaur. Proof is now emerging of the hollowness of the PA operations in the various Rah-e-something-or-the-other. The Americans, whenever their frustration reach higher levels, nudge India to appease Pakistan because it is their mistaken belief that once India conceded to Pakistani demands everything will be all right for them. The Indian PM then entangled himself at Sharm-el-Sheikh by this appeasement policy.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jan 2010 09:32

Vikram Sood on Twitter wrote: FOB Chapman loss is a massive one. Not just because of loss of experts & personnel but the entire int grid.
Besides at Chapman biggest loss was breach of trust most essential ingredient of int ops.Will have widened us-pak mistrust. Almost certainly invite retaliation.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 04 Jan 2010 09:52

Vivek_A wrote:All passengers from countries on the State Department’s “State Sponsors of Terrorism” list – plus all passengers from other "countries of interest" such as Nigeria, Pakistan and Yemen — will receive “full body pat-down and physical inspection of property,” the official said.

Wait for the wail from TSP (or is it TISP now) on how Indian's need to be treated the same, too much Taqleef, etc.

They might even stage an attack or two to make the point.

One devastating way to end this terrorist tamasha is to ban all travel from such countries to the West. After all many of these enablers have their families safely stashed away there.

Looks like GOTUS finally getting with the plan.

The Headley types too can be cut to size this way.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Jan 2010 10:28

washington post:

Americans to appear in Pakistan court

Sunday, January 3, 2010; 11:28 PM

SARGODHA, Pakistan -- Five Americans suspected of plotting attacks in Pakistan are due to appear in an anti-terrorism court Monday.

Police have said they will seek life sentences on terror charges against the five young Muslim men, who are from the Washington D.C. area.

The five were arrested in the eastern Pakistan city of Sargodha in early December in a case that has spurred fears that Westerners are traveling to Pakistan to join militant groups.

Under Pakistan's complicated judicial system, police will recommend charges during the court appearance. However, the court might not charge the men immediately, and the five will likely be given time to prepare their defense.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Jan 2010 10:36

the PRC is not getting all its own way in Myanmar. the myanmarese military seems to be
more interested in ensuring its own prosperity and autonomy than being a PRC lapdop in the way pakistan is.

in BD, the khaleda zia years have been reversed, and we can the see the results flowing in now. again, the army can get all the money it wants locally, there is no real need for them
to accept extra renminbi.

SL is not pro-china. it wants to retain independence and wants friendly relations with India
who has reciprocated by helping finish up the LTTE. ofcourse they are happy to accept chinese
funding for a port, but thats a far cry from allowing a PLAN base there - dubai world runs many ports but doesnt mean dubai navy gets a base there...its still sovereign territory of the host country.

Maldives has been brought under 'control' recently with their senior minister admitting on
indian TV that several 100 of young men had gone off to fight in afghanistan. our eyes and ears are open there.

we have setup some staging post in oman for anti-piracy type patrols and enjoy good
relations with yemen too (aden).

a EW facility has been setup in Madagascar and is operational to spy on pirate walkie-talkie traffic

Nepal is witnessing a standoff between the RNA and Maoists. its not been taken over and
turned into a pakistan rear area for the indic maoists wholesale as we feared.

sometimes the wailing over the "string of pearls" gets hysterical. its a contest and we are
managing to make the necessary countermoves - albeit in a chankian low key way than
a visible and overt slapping.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Jan 2010 12:22

Vivek_A wrote:http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31122.html

U.S. tightens international air security

All travelers flying into the U.S. from foreign countries will receive tightened random screening, and 100 percent of passengers from 14 terrorism-prone countries will be patted down and have their carry-ons searched, the Obama administration was notifying airlines on Sunday.

All passengers from countries on the State Department’s “State Sponsors of Terrorism” list – plus all passengers from other "countries of interest" such as Nigeria, Pakistan and Yemen — will receive “full body pat-down and physical inspection of property,” the official said.{Snipped} ....................

Given that they have been bracketed, with Algeria, Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and most importantly Saudi Arabia, that should bring great joy in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s for being one more step towards fulfilling the burning national desire to be seen as Arab’s

.

Meanwhile APP, the official mouthpiece of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, has this to say of the story:

Enhanced screening for people flying to U.S. from 14 countries,including Pakistan

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Jan 2010 12:27

With all the headline grabbing demonstrations of the IEDology of Pakistan in 2009 let not other practices prevalent in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan be forgotten:

322 women killed over Karo-Kari in 2009 in interior Sindh

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 04 Jan 2010 13:05

Talk on 'cold start' doctrine in Pak Media.

http://pakistanherald.com/Program/Dunya ... rzada-2593

Tit bits:

1) Gen Lamba is unprofessional to spell out the doctrine (Ayesha Siddiqa aka AS)
2) US doesn't have the capability to fight on 2 front, how come India have it. (AS)
3) Indian army is jealous of Air force and Navy therefore the war mongering (AS)
4) Indian Army is trying to indirectly tell Uncle Sam that we could be a good proxy (Hamid Gul aka HG)
5) New dynamics has emerged where in Indian Army is now taking up policy roles as civilian leadership is inept (AS + HG + Admiral Nair aka AN)
6) Hamid Gul Special - Cold Start Strategy is never gonna work because before the ink dries on any strategic document it is on ISI chief's table.
7) One mohtarma was talking about some nuclear doctrine... i couldn't understand it...

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 04 Jan 2010 13:11

Both my posts have appeared on TOI, Aman ki Awaaz:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/usrm ... ommented=1

Manish Sharma,Delhi,says:Hmmmm grrrrreat job by TOI, perhaps it would be more courageous that you people should invite those whose loved ones lost their lives in 26/11, Mumbai Train blasts, Delhi blasts, look them in eyes and then make these brave moves. By the way what has India been doing for last 60 years, NOT GIVING PEACE A CHANCE?
[2 Jan, 2010 2223hrs IST]

Manish Sharma,Delhi,says:Amazing to read people like Goldeneye accusing Bharat of mistreating muslims whose population has increased 2.5 times in India and are getting the posts of Chief Justice of Supreme Court, President of India, CMs. While the population on Hindus in Pakistan dwindled from 10% to 1%. Great! Just great !!! And people are talking as if both countries are equally at fault for all the mess. Maybe next time Pakistan sends terrorists to India they will be more considerate towards Times of India staff and not kill them like other Indians. Congratulations TOI for making yourself safer.
[3 Jan, 2010 1323hrs IST]

niran · Post by **niran** » 04 Jan 2010 13:21

Stan_Savljevic wrote:Question: what does aman mean? On the first read, aman and asha sounded like a tfta and sdre name (respectively) to this neanderthal. I guess I am naive in suspecting peaceniks to be sexist.

aman== peace as in aman chain

asha== hope

Sharmaji, please try not to post with your real name, do not underestimate ISI capacity for mischief.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Jan 2010 13:32

The ability to be pigheadedly in denial seems not to be a handicap when in comes to promotions to the topmost ranks of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

After the birth of the term “Good” Taliban we now get to see the birth of yet another term the “Real Taliban”.

Lt. Gen. (Retd.) Hamid Gul in the Nation:

India perpetrating terror in Pakistan: ex-DG ISI

Source: OUR STAFF REPORTER Submitted 1 day 10 hrs ago

LAHORE - Former Director General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt Gen (r) Hameed Gul has said that those involved in suicide attacks in Pakistan are not real Taliban rather they are agents of India, Israel, and the US. ………………

The Nation

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 04 Jan 2010 13:36

ajay pratap wrote:Sharmaji, please try not to post with your real name, do not underestimate ISI capacity for mischief.

Well Ajayji this is not my real name/surname, but still I am grateful for you advice. Will take more care in future.

Warm Regards

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 04 Jan 2010 14:00

IDSA COMMENT
Asif Zardari and the T.I.N.A. Factor ---- Sushant Sareen
http://www.idsa.in/idsacomments/AsifZar ... een_301209

Given the dialectics of the situation, it would appear that for the moment at least the TINA (there is no alternative) factor operates in favour of the Zardari/Gilani combine especially if they continue to occupy their offices without wielding any real power. The only spoiler in this whole thing could be the Supreme Court. Unless the judges take a step back and desist from opening multiple Pandora’s boxes, they will almost certainly end up destabilising the entire system. What remains to be seen is whether the judiciary survives this destabilisation or whether the politicians and military establishment gang up and fix the judiciary, which in turn will have its own repercussions for the Pakistani state structure. Either way, Pakistan will face great instability and unrest.

KaranR · Post by **KaranR** » 04 Jan 2010 14:24

Acharya wrote:
Airavat wrote:Geo TV held a discussion with Pakistan's leading astrologers, who predicted more doom and gloom for the country this year. One of the astrologers lamented that Pakistan's stars were bad from the "time of its birth".
BV Raman magazine had an entire issue on Pakistan and its janam kundli

He stated the horoscope of Pak is that of the Third Reich of Germany. Split of the country and demise.
Mars will continue in the 4th house of Pak until May 2010. Keep watching the destruction and change of Government is on the way.

KaranR · Post by **KaranR** » 04 Jan 2010 14:40

Anujan wrote:
Airavat wrote:Geo TV held a discussion with Pakistan's leading astrologers, who predicted more doom and gloom for the country this year. One of the astrologers lamented that Pakistan's stars were bad from the "time of its birth".
Isnt astrology haraam ? Something to do about the future known only to God.

Thinking about it, 1/3 of Pakistan's future is with Allah. The 2/3 is ofcourse, shared between Army and America

The Astrology Magazine of Bangalore by the late B V Raman was banned in Pakistan because it predicted the demise of Pakistan and other nefarious activities of the rulers.
The late Zulfikar Bhutto and Benazir consulted the late Cyrus D F Abaykoon of Sri Lanka when he was resident in London.
The prophet Mohammed didn’t like it because, an Astrologer told the people of Arabia that he will bring destruction and bloodshed to the people. All invaders to India the Arabs consulted their Astrologers before an invasion.

KaranR · Post by **KaranR** » 04 Jan 2010 15:04

ah love the takleef Gen Kapoor is causing to bakis.

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The USA has war plans for more or less every country. I can remember during the PM Harold Wilson[UK] Labour party a socialist government; during the cold war were spying on UK just in case it decided to be more close to the soviet union. They had [CIA] even the plans for the underground etc. So in my opinion Indian at last are doing the responsible thing.

They don’t [Pakistanis] seem to be worried, that their country now been invaded by the USA and it is they who dictate to them. They [USA] even now put a dog’s collars on all Pakistanis as being a nation of terrorist and worthy of special treatment at the airport.

India has every right to prepare for fighting on two fronts. The question they need to answer is; Why are they arming themselves and all the secrets agreement with China?

This time if China moves to take over Assam, you can bet Pakistan will move on the Western front to help the Chinese or Pak start a conflict and India moves its troops to the Western front and the Chinese creep into Assam!

If Pakistan starts to break a war with India is certain.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2010 16:14

Sri wrote:Talk on 'cold start' doctrine in Pak Media.
. . .
7) One mohtarma was talking about some nuclear doctrine... i couldn't understand it...

Sri, why are you so singling out that mohtarma as if we can understand other Paki mians and mohtarmas perfectly, hain ?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 04 Jan 2010 16:18

KaranR wrote:

The USA has war plans for more or less every country. I can remember during the PM Harold Wilson[UK] Labour party a socialist government; during the cold war were spying on UK just in case it decided to be more close to the soviet union. They had [CIA] even the plans for the underground etc. So in my opinion Indian at last are doing the responsible thing.

They don’t [Pakistanis] seem to be worried, that their country now been invaded by the USA and it is they who dictate to them. They [USA] even now put a dog’s collars on all Pakistanis as being a nation of terrorist and worthy of special treatment at the airport.

India has every right to prepare for fighting on two fronts. The question they need to answer is; Why are they arming themselves and all the secrets agreement with China?

This time if China moves to take over Assam, you can bet Pakistan will move on the Western front to help the Chinese or Pak start a conflict and India moves its troops to the Western front and the Chinese creep into Assam!

If Pakistan starts to break a war with India is certain.

The point that these Pakistani loudmouths don't get is that Gen. Kapoor was talking about a defensive war / deterrent capabiliity on 2 fronts; something more realistic than an offensive war.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2010 16:27

Manish_Sharma wrote:Both my posts have appeared on TOI,
Aman ki Awaaz

. . . and are getting the posts of Chief Justice of Supreme Court, President of India, CMs.

Manish, Pakistani constitution is such that non-Muslims cannot even dream of becoming the President or PM of the Land of the Pure, but 'Pakistan is a multi-religious country' and so anything is par for the course while 'India is predominantly a Hindu country' and is therefore always to be suspected, according to the great South Asian expert Cohen. The very first Sikh to join the PA was just last year after 61 long years (though I don't know if he is still there without having been forcibly converted by the Tablighis) and the very first Sikh police constable was about two years back (though he suffered enormous harassment and discrimination on religious grounds and resigned a couple of times before being forced to take back the resignation lest they would lose their only showpiece of religious tolerance in the Land of the Purest). I do not think any Hindu is yet in the PA or the police.

More ridiculous than the above, a section of Pakistanis is now talking of removing Zardari from Presidency because he is not a 'pious enough Muslim'. There is a provision in the Constitution which says that those aspiring to be MNAs, PMs or Presidents in the 'Land of the Purest' must be very pious and demonstrate that too. In earlier times, this provision has been used to reject nomination papers of inconvenient politicians by asking them to quote randomly a verse from the Holy Quran, which they flunked !

So, even Muslims cannot be very sure if they are eligible for these positions in the Land of the Purest. AoA.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 04 Jan 2010 17:08

SSridhar wrote:
Sri wrote:Talk on 'cold start' doctrine in Pak Media.
. . .
7) One mohtarma was talking about some nuclear doctrine... i couldn't understand it...
Sri, why are you so singling out that mohtarma as if we can understand other Paki mians and mohtarmas perfectly, hain ?

Well the mohtarma I was refering to was using too many BIG BIG angrezi words... others were at least speaking in a language which thankfully my yindoo education system has equipped me to handle...

Sidharan Sir, you most see the whole thing it reminds me of King Julien and his side kick Maurice in Madagascar... " that Mr Alex gives me the hibbee jibbees..."

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 04 Jan 2010 17:22

. . . and are getting the posts of Chief Justice of Supreme Court, President of India, CMs.

Manish, Pakistani constitution is such that non-Muslims cannot even dream of becoming the President or PM of the Land of the Pure, but 'Pakistan is a multi-religious country' and so anything is par for the course while 'India is predominantly a Hindu country' and is therefore always to be suspected, according to the great South Asian expert Cohen. The very first Sikh to join the military was just last year after 61 long years (though I don't know if he is still there without having been forcibly converted by the Tablighis) and the very first Sikh police constable was about two years back (though he suffered enormous harassment and discrimination on religious grounds and resigned a couple of times before being forced to take back the resignation lest they would lose their only showpiece of religious tolerance in the Land of the Purest). I do not think any Hindu is yet in the military or the police.

More ridiculous than the above, a section of Pakistanis is now talking of removing Zardari from Presidency because he is not a 'pious enough Muslim'. There is a provision in the Constitution which says that those aspiring to be MNAs, PMs or Presidents in the 'Land of the Purest' must be very pious and demonstrate that too. In earlier times, this provision has been used to reject nomination papers of inconvenient politicians by asking them to quote randomly a verse from the Holy Quran, which they flunked !

So, even Muslims cannot be very sure if they are eligible for these positions in the Land of the Purest.

There was a hindu Chief Justice who was apparently made CJ after sacking of most of Paki Supreme Court... As luck would have it... when he was made the CJ he was touring India.... Dunno what happened to him in the end...

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 04 Jan 2010 17:28

bhagwan Das was the pakis CJ's.. he did head the court but soon retired

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2010 17:38

Sri wrote:There was a hindu Chief Justice who was apparently made CJ after sacking of most of Paki Supreme Court... As luck would have it... when he was made the CJ he was touring India.... Dunno what happened to him in the end...

He was not the regular Chief Justice, just a SC Judge who briefly held the position of Acting CJP, because it probably suited Musharraf at that time. He was Bhagwandas, who resigned after Musharraf asked him to take a fresh oath under PCO. He languished for a while, his retirement benefits were not sanctioned etc. just like other judges who resigned. He has since been rehabilitated and appointed as the Chief of the Public Service Commission (like our UPSC).

Before Bhagwandas, TSP also had a Christian Chief Justice in the late 50s, Justice Cornelius. Apart from these two gentlemen, nobody from the minority community had reached such a position.

In the case of Bhagwandas, there was a chorus of protest when he was appointed. The explanation that was given was that as an acting CJP, he need not preside over the court and can nominate another judge to do so. His limits were thus indirectly set by the momin.

Pakistanis are quite clever at inventing circumventions. Fazl-ur-Rehman solved a ticklish problem when Ms. BB was first elected to be the PM and the ulema were all up in arms against a woman leading the country. He simply said that whenever a prayer had to be led, the President would do so as Head of State and not the woman PM !!! That settled the issue, for a while, though.

Again, to be fair to the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of the Land of the Purest, there is nothing that stops a non-Muslim from becoming the CJP.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Jan 2010 18:08

SSridhar wrote:................ but 'Pakistan is a multi-religious country' and so anything is par for the course while 'India is predominantly a Hindu country' and is therefore always to be suspected, according to the great South Asian expert Cohen.

The South Asian expert may have a point

. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan just might be truly a “Multi Religious Country”.

Where else would you see the apex body looking after all religious establishments of one religion, Sikh in this case, having as a Chairman an individual of a completely different religion, Muslim in this case?.

The apex body I am referring to is the Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (PGPC).

The concerned Chairman of the PGPC is a devout Muslim sporting a fully Islamic compliant beard even while in uniformed service with the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan where he served as a head of the ISI, and retired as a Lieutenant General. The individual is Lt. Gen (Retd.) Javed Nasir.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 04 Jan 2010 19:12

Sri wrote:There was a hindu Chief Justice .....Dunno what happened to him in the end...

In the end? Same as whatever happens to all minorities in Pa'astan. Discarded like a used Condom" and realization that they were born on the wrong side of the border. BTW, Bhagwandas was in an ashram in India when he got the news through the media that he was being nominated as the acting CJ by Mushy. Bhagwandas, who has a post graduate degree in Islamic Studies freely sprinkles his statements with "Inshaallah"and such just to blend in. After "retirement" he was made head of some useless committee or something. The last I read about him was when he got stuck in an elevator.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Jan 2010 01:52

Pakistan se Aa aa aa ayee Awaaz
Dec16 Nahi hai humko Yaad!!!

http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.asp ... ed&nid=285

It really is hilarious listening to Kapoor talking of rapid thrusts into enemy territory within 96 hours and his doctrine formulation in-charge Lt. Gen. A.S. Lamba of capturing Pakistan Army GHQ in Rawalpindi. In the 1965 war, the Indian strike corps commander had likewise promised "chota peg" to his officers at the Lahore Gymkhana Club. But the valiant Pakistan army officers and jawans not only repulsed his stealth aggression but inflicted intolerable punishment on his invading force. And should Kapoor or Lamba take to the stupidity of any adventurism, their fate would be no different. Pakistan army is wearing no bangles. It is among the world's finest and best professional armies. And Kapoor and Lamba may be in school, if not even been born, since when the Indian army is fighting, failingly, to quell insurgents and separatists in India's northeast despite enormous draconian powers invested in it to this end. But the Pakistan army took only a few weeks to do down terrorists, mostly foreign-funded and -armed, including Indians RAW's proxies, in Swat and Malakand and is now rapidly flushing them out of South Waziristan. In fact, even the US and NATO forces should take a lesson or two from the Pakistan army for pacifying a troubled Afghanistan which they have failed to do despite passage of eight years or so. And this Pakistan army is not sleeping either.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 05 Jan 2010 02:12

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Sheik Chilli investigation agency proves Indian hand in Krachi and Tibet riots

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 05 Jan 2010 02:37

vera_k wrote:
But I wonder if this initiative by the ToI is nothing more than the INC gearing up for an election somewhere. I remember the BJP was advertising online in the Pak papers before the 2009 Lok Sabha elections.

BJP was not advertising on Paki papers by itself. Those ads were user targeted ads based on the location of the geographical location of user. Somewhat like google ads

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 05 Jan 2010 03:09

Since the American Talibunnies are joking around with the Paki police afsar I am assuming everything is honky dory now?

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Pakistani police commandos chat with hand-cuffed US militant suspects as they leave an anti-terrorist court after a hearing in Sargodha on January 4, 2010. Five US militant suspects were remanded back into custody by a Pakistani court on January 4, after telling judges they wanted to 'help their Muslim brothers' in war-torn Afghanistan. The five young men were arrested in December 2009 on suspicion of trying to contact Al-Qaeda-linked groups and are facing terror charges for allegedly plotting attacks in the Muslim country, which could see them jailed for life. AFP PHOTO/ AAMIR QURESHI (Photo credit should read AAMIR QURESHI/AFP/Getty Images)

A ticker on Fox News read (not the exact words, but gist is) These five guys claim that since they came to wage jihad against American forces, they are Jihadist. And Jihad is not Terror at any magnitude thus they cannot be tried as Terrorist. Actually they should not be tried at all!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jan 2010 03:13

How is Zardari doing?

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 05 Jan 2010 03:28

Zardari has managed to survive this holiday season according the Pak and its Horoscope ( Haram I suppose) Zardary would not be in power
after feb 20th .

according to the above post these americans ( a pakis born any where in this world should be called a paki ) would never be realeased to the amricans because if they are handed over to the FBI , then all smiles would be gone ( just like Rathor ) Unkil would squeeze every part of theirs out