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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby rsingh » 07 Jan 2010 23:16

Great post munna. Please find time and enlighten us more often.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Gagan » 07 Jan 2010 23:17

A thread has been created:

TSP Ref material 2010 in the GD Forum.
Post on.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby munna » 07 Jan 2010 23:29

Thanks Ramanaji I would love to polish the langugae and come out with more academic form of this post but do not know where to get it published? Rsinghji I will try my best and write more often on issues that are close to my heart.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby negi » 07 Jan 2010 23:31

SRR for a start. :wink:

Btw nice post .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby munna » 07 Jan 2010 23:34

negi wrote:SRR for a start. :wink:

Btw nice post .

Right then I will be out with a formal version of this really quick! Thanks.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Gagan » 07 Jan 2010 23:53

Great post Munna,

It is possible that Kiyani saab is getting desperate with his retirement looming around.

A military confrontation with India could provide him that cover to usurp power in Pakistan, withdraw from FATA/NWFP, more money to the generals in pakistan from the 3.5 friends, uniting an increasingly fissiparous pakistan under the pakistani army - all in one go.

Hence India's response (Gen Kapoor and P Chidambram)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby shravan » 08 Jan 2010 00:35

From TimesOnline.co.uk: Pakistani links to Haqqani militants again under spotlight
January 7, 2010
Catherine Philp: analysis

...Pakistan has refused to make any moves against the Haqqanis, who control one of the most powerful Taleban groups fighting in Afghanistan. The Pakistani military has long been in league with such groups to help to guard its interests in Afghanistan against Indian influence. In 2008 the Pakistani army chief General Ashfaq Kayani was caught on CIA intercepts referring to the Taleban commander Jalaluddin Haqqani as a strategic asset and tipping off his men about a raid.

Haqqani was one of the Mujahidin favoured with millions of dollars of weapons to fight the Soviet Union. He and the CIA are now bitter enemies after the agency killed scores of his people with drone attacks in the Pakistani tribal belt. Official Pakistani support for the Haqqanis goes from top to bottom as Tahir Ludin, the Afghan reporter of The Times, found when he was kidnapped by the group last year along with the New York Times reporter David Rohde. Crossing into Pakistan in a Haqqani convoy bristling with arms, Mr Ludin saw Pakistani border guards accept 4,000 rupees and salute their captors through. Mr Rohde later recounted how a senior commander, Badruddin Haqqani, transported them through the tribal belt under the noses of the Pakistani military.

“He explained that under a ceasefire agreement all civilians were required to get out of their cars when an army convoy approached. For Taleban vehicles, though, only the driver had to get out,” Mr Rohde wrote. “The practice allowed the Taleban to hide kidnapping victims and foreign militants from the Pakistani Army.” While they were captive, fighting broke out between the military and the so-called Pakistani Taleban, who are fighting to overthrow the Government. But Pakistan still refused to tackle the Haqqanis. When Mr Ludin and Mr Rohde escaped and sought refuge at a Pakistani border post, they said they had been prisoners of the Pakistani Taleban, not the Haqqanis. “If I had told them that, they would have sent us back,” Mr Rohde said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Tamang » 08 Jan 2010 00:45

Hiten wrote:Indian Doc visits pakistan & blogs abt it

http://babysurgeon.blogspot.com/2009/12 ... ience.html


i saw a girl wearing sleeveless blouse and skirt, sitting in restaurant. two women smoking! this is something one would rarely see in mumbai.


:roll:

Any mumbaikar wants to add? :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby anupmisra » 08 Jan 2010 00:46

Tamang wrote:
Hiten wrote:Indian Doc visits pakistan & blogs abt it

http://babysurgeon.blogspot.com/2009/12 ... ience.html


i saw a girl wearing sleeveless blouse and skirt, sitting in restaurant. two women smoking! this is something one would rarely see in mumbai.


:roll:

Any mumbaikar wants to add? :mrgreen:


Don't forget. This doc is from Aurangabad.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby amdavadi » 08 Jan 2010 00:51

In mumbai you can only see girls in burkha even man at times. I have never seen any girl in skirt & sleevless shirt..
Thats big no no in mumbai, unthinkable to see girls wearing anything other than shuttlecock burkha.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Prem » 08 Jan 2010 00:51

Women Smoking can be found in many villages in Punjab , quite few old ones.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Rahul Shukla » 08 Jan 2010 00:52

US 'to punish civilians over CIA killings' (Press TV)

Pakistan's army is banned from inspecting two American military bases on Pakistani soil. The bases are located in Shamsi region of Pakistan's southwestern Baluchistan province, and Jacobabad in neighboring Sindh province.

A retired army general, Shahed Aziz, confirmed the large US presence in the country. He said he had been aware of the two bases while serving under former president Pervez Musharraf, and that they had remained off limits to the army thought out.
US forces are running other clandestine military centers as well. One such example is the police training center called Sahale in Rawalpindi city of Punjab province, where a considerable number of US forces were stationed until last week.

The issue prompted the police centre's chief to protest in writing to authorities, expressing his alarm that the US presence could trigger an attack on the centre. The forces were then moved to an unknown location in the capital, Islamabad.
Since the US has sacrificed the lives of tens of thousands of Afghan and Pakistani civilians in retaliation for the suspicious :?: September 11 attacks, the Central Intelligence Agency's promise of a most brutal reprisal for the killings could also endanger countless innocents.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby kittoo » 08 Jan 2010 00:54

Tamang wrote:
Hiten wrote:Indian Doc visits pakistan & blogs abt it

http://babysurgeon.blogspot.com/2009/12 ... ience.html


i saw a girl wearing sleeveless blouse and skirt, sitting in restaurant. two women smoking! this is something one would rarely see in mumbai.


:roll:

Any mumbaikar wants to add? :mrgreen:


While I dont really like smoking or anything, I've seen girls smoking in Mumbai so many times. Strange that this guy doesn't even live in Mumbai and talks about Mumbai.
Not to say that I would encourage smoking.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby pgbhat » 08 Jan 2010 01:06

Air Force museum had two RAPEttes smoking and one ayesha with sleeveless clothes. So bakistan must be liberal and tolerant no? :rotfl:
From the same blog
Mangoes wrote:pakistan international counter was crowded with bohris, everyone carrying boxes of alphonso mangoes.

More Mangoes wrote:there was a mango festival going in the hotel, many new varieties of mangoes were displayed

:rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby KrishnaMu » 08 Jan 2010 02:43

Tamang wrote:
Hiten wrote:Indian Doc visits pakistan & blogs abt it

http://babysurgeon.blogspot.com/2009/12 ... ience.html


i saw a girl wearing sleeveless blouse and skirt, sitting in restaurant. two women smoking! this is something one would rarely see in mumbai.


:roll:

Any mumbaikar wants to add? :mrgreen:


11 yrs back in my prev. life in Hyderabad i came out smoke i got lighter from young lady, she is Engg. student. [Need to be mumbai to have smoke :rotfl: ]

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Gagan » 08 Jan 2010 02:47

Rahul Shukla wrote:US 'to punish civilians over CIA killings' (Press TV)

Pakistan's army is banned from inspecting two American military bases on Pakistani soil. The bases are located in Shamsi region of Pakistan's southwestern Baluchistan province, and Jacobabad in neighboring Sindh province.


To this I would like to add Pasni PAFB. The airstrip where the U2 was photographed on google earth.
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911 memorial at Jacobabad PAFB. 'Pakistan ki shaan' Notice the pentagon and twin towers.
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Pakistan's national birds on pakistani soil
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Dalbandin is interesting because the pakistanis stored a few nukes close to the airstrip. Also this airstrip is bang next to the two nuclear test sites where they 'tested' their nukes.

Panjgur airstrip is one of the many airstrips built in pakistan by the Arab masters who want to come here and hunt bustards. So they build airstrips which can easily handly wide bodied jets.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Prem » 08 Jan 2010 03:14

Many Thanks to Pakistaniat

http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/

TSA Tells Muslim Traveler Hijab Now Triggers Security Checks
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 1/6/2010) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called on the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to clarify whether Islamic head scarves, or hijab, will now automatically trigger additional security measures for Muslim travelers.
CAIR made that request after a Muslim woman traveler taking a flight Tuesday from Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) to Los Angeles (LAX) reported that TSA personnel first requested that she take off her hijab, then put her through a “humiliating” public full-body pat-down search when she refused. After the pat-down, the Muslim traveler’s luggage, coat, shoes, laptop, and cell phone were searched and tested for bomb-making chemicals.
When the traveler, a resident of Maryland, questioned TSA staff about the way she was being treated, she was allegedly told that a new policy went into effect that morning mandating that “anyone wearing a head scarf must go through this type of search.”
In a letter to TSA Acting Administrator Gale D. Rossides, CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad wrote in part:
“First, I would like to commend you on your efforts to maintain the safety of the travelling public. I would also like to offer the American Muslim community’s cooperation and support in preserving that safety and security…
“If this troubling new policy is indeed in effect, it represents religious profiling in its most egregious form. We respectfully request that you clarify whether Islamic head scarves will now trigger automatic secondary screening for Muslim travelers. If so, does this new policy apply to all those who wear religious head coverings, such as Sikh men, Catholic nuns and orthodox Jewish women, or will it apply exclusively to Muslim travelers? If the issue is concealment of potentially dangerous items, the clothing worn by travelers of all faiths, such as skirts, loose pants and sweatshirts, has more areas to hide items than hijab.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Gagan » 08 Jan 2010 03:18

ISPR
No 15/2010-ISPR Dated: January 7, 2010
Rawalpindi - January 7, 2010:
A conference to dilate upon operational matters was held at General Headquarters today. Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani chaired the conference. The Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman also attended the conference on special invitation. Senior officers from Army and Air Force were present.

The forum discussed the operational preparedness with focus on integration and coordination between the two services.

Take your pick:
1. Pakistanis are planning another 26/11
2. Massa's delivered another dire ultimatum.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby AnantD » 08 Jan 2010 03:33

My honest opinion is that the cowardly TSPA and Fizaya will not fight and lay down their arms to save their skin if America openly declares war on them. Raw agents like ZZ Hamid will return home and retire. :rotfl: However, they will take a page out of Iraq and fight an IED war after they welcome the Coalition in.

In the meantime, they will threaten India with a nuclear attack, ala Mush in Kargil, and finally lie down and give up when push comes to shove.

China will ditch their fliend meantime! :P

I think these meeting have to do with Gen Kapoor's statement regarding capabilities and Amrika's ball-busting activities. There has got to be NO love between US and Paki Army, irrespective of McChrystle's occasional farts to mislead Kiyanahi.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby hnair » 08 Jan 2010 03:34

Why is Gen Kapoor's statements a big deal? IIRC, Army chiefs always gives a news briefing and it was always unpleasant news for Pakis. The only difference this time seems to be a willingness to twist the panda's nutsack

(Gen Kapoor-saab has removed the angst I felt after 26/11 statements. General Padmanabhan set a standard by stating the obvious of vaporizing pakjabis)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby AnantD » 08 Jan 2010 03:36

Why is Gen Kapoor's statements a big deal?


I think TSPA is like a "deer frozen in the headlights" They react to anything to get the pressure off the Khan's diktats.

willingness to twist the panda's nutsack


Thaiina always gets its moneys worth and they have paid Pak to keep Yindia off of Panda's back, and then this statement infuriates them, they feel cheated by Pak! So Pak must make some noise or lose dragon's funding. :cry:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Masaru » 08 Jan 2010 03:39

Pak harassing our diplomats: US

The US embassy in Pakistan complained that its diplomats are being harassed and detained as they travel in the country, illustrating heightened tensions between the allies as US expands its presence here.


In recent weeks, American diplomats have faced lengthy delays in receiving approvals for visas and visa extensions. Some also have been stopped at checkpoints by police who have in a couple of cases temporarily confiscated their cars.

On Wednesday, two Pakistani employees of a US consulate and their police escort were detained while traveling in Baluchistan to prepare for a visit involving a development project, an embassy statement said. It called upon Pakistani officials "to cease these contrived incidents involving US mission vehicles and personnel."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby kgoan » 08 Jan 2010 05:06

Hi JEM, Rangudu and folks:

The takleef with respect to Gen Kapoors statement is rather prosiac: The 96 hours is well under the time limit for the Pakees to get their missiles fueled up and the warheads mated.

Pakee land depends on raising the stakes via the nuclear detergent to stop a total loss of H&D. i.e. They know they'll cop a hiding from the IA and IAF but; they depend on the nuke thing to get foreign pressure to stop GoI and then claim a "vistory" because they "survived".

But what happens if GoI makes no attempt to "destroy" Pak? 96 hours of pure punishment from the IA artillery "wall-of-fire" doctrine and the IAF, and GoI simply stops! The loss of H&D could break apart the Pak Army.

Thats the point, I think, the Pakees are having real probs with. Thats why Gen Kapoors statements shaken them about.

They can't change their missile/newclear readiness times without a total overhaul of their structures, which is simply not possible.

GoI and Gen Kapoor are promising the pakees total humiliation with no "face saver".

The pak Army has two ideological pillars: to defend Islam and to defend against India. The defending Islam pillar has collapsed since the Lal Masjid episode. If the "defending against India" pillar collapses, the Pak Army dies.

Anw with it Pakistan goes. That's the terror the RAPE face.

ps: JEM, I don't think the US Ambi will be taken to task. The US ambi's in either India or Pak have *always* taken the side of India and Pak against the other. That "going native" is a standard US State Dept trick.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby harbans » 08 Jan 2010 05:09

“First, I would like to commend you on your efforts to maintain the safety of the travelling public. I would also like to offer the American Muslim community’s cooperation and support in preserving that safety and security…
“If this troubling new policy is indeed in effect, it represents religious profiling in its most egregious form. We respectfully request that you clarify whether Islamic head scarves will now trigger automatic secondary screening for Muslim travelers. If so, does this new policy apply to all those who wear religious head coverings, such as Sikh men, Catholic nuns and orthodox Jewish women, or will it apply exclusively to Muslim travelers? If the issue is concealment of potentially dangerous items, the clothing worn by travelers of all faiths, such as skirts, loose pants and sweatshirts, has more areas to hide items than hijab.”


CAIR just doesn't get it. Thanks to the PC brigade. Yes it is a must to profile. We put forward an imperative in our constitutions on equality of all race, caste, color, nationality, religion etc etc BECAUSE we believe none of their ideologies come in conflict with our constitution and so peace can be maintained. Yet if one particular color, caste, religion, nationality, race whatever is causing additional security measures to be applicable because of open attempts at undermining hte constitution and subverting security, then extra profiling of that segment is a must. It applies to nationalities as can be seen the the recent US list. This is as natural as can be expected. If i am in airport security in the US i won't profile a Finnish Nokia networks engineer, i would certainly a Hijab wearing Aaqiya from Pakistan doing a doctorate in MIT.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Prem » 08 Jan 2010 05:30

Ass Garib trying to save H &D and Buffoonery of IROP>
After fauji Dilation , now delivery.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=217421
Cultivating brevity and calmness
After so many years of independent existence we should be able to see things dispassionately. Gen Kapoor was not flaming the fans of war. He was not indulging in war-mongering, which would be silly in the present circumstances. He was carrying out a risk-assessment of the threat that India, to his mind, faces. Yes, he has spoken of better coordination (better synergy, in his words) between the three Indian services. What's wrong with that? Our services could do with better synergy. He has spoken of enhancing India's strategic reach into the Indian Ocean. Had our economy been in better shape, and if we not shown such a talent for making a mess at home, we would have been talking of spreading our reach into the Persian Gulf and beyond. And no one would have blamed us. Now what we have is a nuke capability in jarring contrast to our iron begging bowl.
If there was no threat of a conventional war with India we would be well advised to disband half our forces and send them home. Sadly, the nuclear overhang has not made the threat of conventional war go away. Wisdom in any full measure has yet to dawn on the subcontinent.
Let's not forget, Kargil was not a full-fledged war engaging the bulk of the armies on both sides. But it was a serious conflict nonetheless which had every potential of getting out of hand, had not President Clinton eventually, at our urgent insistence, helped pull our chestnuts out of the fire. Are we such an insecure nation that a single misinterpreted statement can so unsettle us? If a riposte was necessary, a one-liner from the Inter-Services Public Relations would have served the purpose. Something like, "Everyone is entitled to his fantasies", delivered with an ironic curl of the lips.

Philip, Alexander's father, sent Sparta a message: "If I enter Laconia, you shall be exterminated." He received just one word in answer: "If". When French marshals turned their backs on him in Paris, Wellington merely said, "I have seen their backs before." The cultivation of calm and brevity would improve our tone as a nation.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Gagan » 08 Jan 2010 05:59


What is that discussion in the comments section all about? :eek:
The pakees are abusing each other in public like they do in real life.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Rangudu » 08 Jan 2010 06:23

KGoan,

What you say explains the extent of the umbrage and the types of statements released by Kayani and co.

But it does not fully explain the uptick in the activity (i.e. ad-hoc Corps Commander meeting, TSPAF chief invited for "consultation", Kayani meeting Zardari etc.). Plus Zardari has started saying anti-India things in an abrupt shift from his venting against TSPA. This suggests that Kayani has made peace with Zardari at least temporarily. You add to this the LeT fidayeen attack in Sri Nagar yesterday and there is clearly a build up.

All of the above activities remind me of Kayani visiting Saudi Arabia and China prior to 26/11.

My take is that they have been forced to agree to something big against the Haqqani gang and thus will have to do something on our side to balance out the H&D. Gen. Kapoor's routine statements thus became convenient material for TSPA to whip up sentiments similar to their post 26/11 efforts, with the difference being that this time they are doing it before an attack.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby pgbhat » 08 Jan 2010 06:44

Game Over
Power generation is approaching a crisis again and this time it has the potential to be truly catastrophic rather than merely an unconscionable burden. National fuel reserves – the fuel that is used to power thermal generators – have dropped to twelve days. Pakistan State Oil is unable to import the oil that we desperately need because it cannot afford to pay for it. Two ships are already loaded and waiting to bring the oil to us but until their cargo is paid for they will not leave port. The PSO general manager was perhaps understandably reticent when asked about this matter but grudgingly admitted that the ships had been delayed and that any further comment on the oil reserves and how long they would last if not replenished was 'not in the interest of the country.'

................. . Further pain is brought by the weather – the winter rains have failed this year, down 96 per cent in Punjab alone – and the stage is set for a collision of problems that have the capacity to literally bring the country to its knees. In all of this there is an irony – we are producing 7,486MW electricity against an installed capacity of 20,231MW. Power generation has fallen to just above one-third of the generation capacity and is set to fall further in coming days. This time, it really could be 'game over'.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby khan » 08 Jan 2010 06:46

What we need are heavy strategic bombers to carpet bomb the cantonment areas in pindi, after destroying what war making capability that they have and an hour before announcing a unilateral ceasefire.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby pgbhat » 08 Jan 2010 06:52

Geopolitical reality bites ---- Shaan Akbar
However, the more I’ve thought about it, the more the problem presents itself as one that is rooted in perspective –- Pakistan’s elite appear to be out of touch with geopolitical reality. After all, when the situation is so dire, why is the military-bureaucratic complex hacking away at the PPP-led government? Why does the media remain mired in conspiracy theories? Why are the country’s political parties locked in a cycle of political opportunism? The behaviour isn’t rational.

The disconnect with reality appears to stem from two core flaws in the Pakistani perspective: failure to understand the limitation of national resources/capabilities, and failure to understand that the state’s actions have consequences. As regards the first flaw, Pakistan must understand that it cannot go it alone. Pakistan’s geography makes the nation strategic, but its geography also acts as an inhibitor. Pakistan does not have the resources to achieve self-sufficiency; Pakistan must trade and seek external investment not just to flourish, but also to survive. That’s why it’s vital that Pakistan not alienate its key sponsors (the US, China, Saudi Arabia, etc) or its regional neighbours (Iran, Afghanistan, etc).

Another of our limitations is Pakistan’s status in South Asia. Pakistan cannot seek parity with India — military or otherwise. Since its inception, Pakistan has viewed itself as a strategic equal of India — and to disastrous ends. India is far too large and developing at far too quick a pace for Pakistan to be its peer. Though it has yet to go far, India is on the road to becoming a global power. Pakistan is a regional power at best. Militarily, Pakistan has achieved a minimum deterrence through its nuclear capability. It should reduce the size of its standing military and focus on becoming smaller, more mobile, and technologically advanced. It should rely on force multipliers and redirect funds towards development.

Pakistan cannot win Kashmir from India. Three wars over the disputed state (Kargil included) have demonstrated that Pakistan cannot wrest Kashmir from India’s control –- India’s military is far too superior in terms of quality and quantity. The best Pakistan can hope for is recognition of the status quo or a Musharrafian solution (joint governance of Kashmir). Again, focus should be on effectively governing existing Pakistani territory and creating a model that demonstrates why Kashmir is better in Pakistani hands.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby pgbhat » 08 Jan 2010 07:01

Zardari, Kayani hold one-on-one meeting
According to an official announcement by the Presidency, matters relating to the operational preparedness of the Pakistan Army, the security situation and the ongoing drive against militancy came under discussion.

Power circles, however, are attaching great significance to the meeting between the country’s two most powerful individuals. The meeting took place after a 16-day gap, a period which witnessed the historic NRO judgment, unnerving democracy-in-danger rhetoric from the presidency, and even the president’s appointed lawyer painting the CIA and GHQ as real threats to democracy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby kgoan » 08 Jan 2010 07:13

R,

Yes, that's possible.

>> whip up sentiments similar to their post 26/11 efforts, with the difference being that this time they are doing it before an attack.

Yes, it seems so. But then it appears so has Gen Kapoor. A clear warning *beforehand*, by our military chief, rather than the usual GoI babu or neta pontificating on "stern responses" and other tamasha *after* every attack.

I agree the paks are upto something, without a doubt. (The attack on the culinary institutes chefs is not going to be let go by those folks, they will want payback bigtime.)

But it appears that GoI is aware of things - the buildup on the northern borders happened well before any of this - and appears to have a far more beady-eyed view of US shenaningans given the Headley/Gilani saga.

Lets see where it goes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Gagan » 08 Jan 2010 07:26

Guys watch out for this attack on the CIA HQ in Afghanistan: This is going to be big.

The chronology of events:
Dec 31 2009:

CIA HQ attacked in afghanistan. 8 Top CIA operatives killed including the station chief.

Obama has announced the partition of Pakistan

None can dare rob us of nuclear arsenal: Hameed Gul

U.N. Moving Many Foreign Workers Out of Pakistan

Haji Omar Khan, Senior Taliban leader reported killed in New Year's Eve strike

1 Jan 2010
Aman Ki Asha launched

Zardari: political forces want civilian control over the ISI

Qari Hussain, a commander of the Pakistani Taliban claims they carried out the CIA HQ attack

Meanwhile the sideshow continues:
90 Killed in suicide blast on a volleyball game in Lakki Marwat

PM Gilani trying to remove misunderstandings between the Army leadership and President Zardari

2 Jan 2010
The Pakistanis start reacting to Gen Kapoor's two front war statement of 30th Dec 2009.
India on an adventurous and dangerous path: Kayani

Gen Tariq Majid: Gen Kapoor's statement outlandish
General Tariq Majid, Chairman Joint Chief of Staff Committee, former X corps commander. Comment: X corps commander along with the ISI chief are usually the Pakistan COAS's most bosom buddies. On their shoulders lies the COAS's survival.

Khalilullah - Chief of Punjab TTP, alleged to be responsible for the Moon market, Pindi suicide blast, arrested

3 Jan, 2010
US tightens Airport Security
Note: The nigerian attack on the Amsterdam-Detroit flight was on Dec 25, 2009.

5 Jan, 2010
Gen McCrystal in Islamabad: Joint action against the Taliban likely

Zardari backs down: clarifies his usage of the term, 'Political Weapons'

Zardari: Ready for a 1000 year war with India

Pakistan's Defence Committee of the Cabinet: Pak to strengthen defence to maintain 'regional balance'

6 Jan 2010
US asks Pakistan to hunt down and hand over Iliyas Kashmiri

Drone attack kills 13 in Datta Khel, N Waziristan. Two foreigners amongst killed

[url]Terror attack on hotel at Lal Chowk, Srinagar[/url]

Dawood Ibrahim is a credible threat to US interests : CRS report

Corps Commander meeting in Pakistan
They call upon regional powers to play their role in maintaining peace and stability.
Previous corps commander meeting was on Dec 16

7 Jan, 2010
Fuel reserves down by 50pc
CNG stations to remain closed from 8AM to 8PM daily

Suicide attack kills 3 pak armymen in POK

Pakistani rupee at record low
Indian rupee doing just fine - Surges to 15 month peak

8 Jan, 2010
Zardari Kiyani hold one on one meeting
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Karan Dixit » 08 Jan 2010 07:37

munna wrote:Thanks Ramanaji I would love to polish the langugae and come out with more academic form of this post but do not know where to get it published? Rsinghji I will try my best and write more often on issues that are close to my heart.


I will be honored to publish you on my newly created blog. Or, alternately, you can create your own blog. There are tons of blog sites and they are free. Over a period of time, you will develop a fan base.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby arun » 08 Jan 2010 07:40

Karachi buffeted by what looks like political violence rather than the Islam inspired violence that has been buffeting the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for some time now.

Not clear if this violence is of the Mojahir vs Mojahir variety with the MQM and MQM (Hariri) squaring of or if this is of the Mojahir vs Pashtun (ANP) variety or if this is of the Mohajir and/or Pashtun vs Sindhi (PPP) variety. All these permutations and combinations have been prevalent of late in Karachi:

11 killed in fresh Karachi violence

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Gagan » 08 Jan 2010 07:44

There's the good old shia vs sunni thing also, more so after the Ashura attack, the shia's are probably looking for blood right now.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby khan » 08 Jan 2010 07:47

Gagan,

Nice chronology, the only hole that I can find with the various theories being bandied around is the *timing* of the good General's discourse which preceded everything on that list you posted.

IMO various possibilities are as follows:
* After the New Years Eve massacre, the Paki's needed something to take the heat off themselves and there is nothing like India to unite a bunch of rabid, unwashed, stinking, fetid, foaming in the mouth Paki's. That is why Zardari, who seemed to favour good relations with India suddenly turned. The US must be squeezing their family jewels (strategic assets) real hard and everyone is trying to protect them. The good General's involvement is a matter of sheer coincidence.
* If the Paki's were planning something, they were planning it before the New Years Eve massacre and the General was sending a message.

I think that option #1 is more plausible, if the Generals wanted to send a message, he would have done so in front of a camera or gone on the record to a newspaper - not in a closed seminar where the message could get distorted by here-say.


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