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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Amber G. » 09 Jan 2010 05:13

Shades of true love.....
US-Pakistan bickering get ugly as ISI fingers American diplomats
....Ambassador Anne Patterson’s warning at a business meeting in Karachi was followed up by a rare public admonition of Pakistan from the US mission in Islamabad in which it expressed concern about the ''continued provocative actions and false allegations against US personnel working to implement the new partnership between the leaders of Pakistan and the United States.''

The wording of the statement suggested that the US believes there is a growing militaristic constituency in Pakistan that is now operating independently of the civilian government. The blog Politico put it rather more bluntly under the headline, "Pakistan’s ISI steps up harassment of US Embassy," reporting that the ISI had even been putting pictures (with addresses) of US diplomatic personnel in Urdu newspapers" putting their lives in danger....

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Jarita » 09 Jan 2010 05:16

I'll believe the bickering when I see the results of it.
They keep having these maritial spats but in the end we are consistently put in a difficult position.
The day we stop having terrorist attacks (trained in NW India), get POK back etc, will be when their relationship is truly severed

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby munna » 09 Jan 2010 05:26

Prem wrote:
peabrain wrote:If the Indian design is to present a fait accompli before a nuclear response materialises then the preparedness level of our nuclear deterrent needs to be tailored accordingly. Possessing tactical nuclear weapons that should destroy the invaders without crossing the Indian nuclear threshold should prove instrumental in deterring a reckless adventure.[/b]


Another paki who really dont know how to read, Per GOI, any WMD Anywhere on Indians invite full response.


This guy seems to be reading BRF(as other smart Musharraffs from Bakiland do)!

Mahamurkh Shiromani (Lord of Fools) should know that Thal Senapati Kapoor is very much saying that even before you fill up your Tanks with diesel we would have crossed border and a few of them Brahmos would be up the proverbial places of pureland. Not for nothing did we test the Brahmos with advanced seeker and the crore commanders know that. Rubicon has been crossed Bakis should quietly back off now.

PS: Gen Kapoor seems to be becoming some fearsome mythical warlord to Pakis, not that I am complaining! :twisted:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby shiv » 09 Jan 2010 06:43

Prem wrote:http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Columns/08-Jan-2010/What-is-Gen-Kapoor-rationale/1
What is Gen Kapoor rationale?
A SAD DIQUE


Needless to say, Pakistan's nuclear deterrent needs to remain credible, effective and relevant to the timeframe of operations that the Indian Army Chief, General Deepak Kapoor, is contemplating.
If the Indian design is to present a fait accompli before a nuclear response materialises then the preparedness level of our nuclear deterrent needs to be tailored accordingly. [b]Possessing tactical nuclear weapons that should destroy the invaders without crossing the Indian nuclear threshold should prove instrumental in deterring a reckless adventure
.[/b]



What the Paki is saying is that Pakistan should make their nukes ready to phyrr within 4 days of any conflict. If this statement is matched by moves in Pakistan to actually ready warheads for such an eventuality, it will be picked up.

The interesting bit about threatening nuclear war is that they have to be ready to carry out their threats knowing that their city and what is dear to them will get fried and there will be no victory after that. I am sure the brave pakfauj is ready for this and can now train another 10,000 mujahids to strike terror in Indian cities.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2010 07:34

Prem wrote:http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Columns/08-Jan-2010/What-is-Gen-Kapoor-rationale/1
What is Gen Kapoor rationale?
Possessing tactical nuclear weapons that should destroy the invaders without crossing the Indian nuclear threshold should prove instrumental in deterring a reckless adventure.


Pakistani strategists are sold out on the stability-instability paradox and have been assuming that they could continue forever on their sub-conventional low intensity conflict. Any escalation by India to conventional levels of war could be countered then by blackmailing India with nuclear threats, which would either make India backout or invite the US to step in, both of which would be to the advantage of Pakistan. The Indian response in Kargil showed that India would call Pakistan's bluff without even crossing those thresholds. The 'First Use' doctrine and the various low threshold levels that Pakistan has later explained for its use of nuclear weapons are expressly for this purpose of overcoming the Kargil debacle, to deter India and alarm the US that even minor tensions can quickly escalate into a nuclear exchange. The Indian response of Cold Start threw a spanner into the Pakistani calculations. India missed calling the Pakistani bluff once again immediately after the 26/11 episode. The cancellation of leave to military personnel, the mobilization, the war hysteria and the aggressive CAP by PAF were all meant to convey an alarming situation to the US so that India would be forced not to entertain any thoughts of Cold Start. Anyway, by that time, India had lost the element of surprise that is so vital. Now, the Pakistanis want to deter Indian salami slice operation by claiming to deploy TNWs (Tactical Nuclear Weapons). May be the 'taller-than-the-tallest-mountain' friend has given some New Year gifts and Pakistanis are showing off and conveying a message.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby arun » 09 Jan 2010 07:52

arun wrote:Karachi buffeted by what looks like political violence rather than the Islam inspired violence that has been buffeting the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for some time now.

Not clear if this violence is of the Mojahir vs Mojahir variety with the MQM and MQM (Hariri) squaring of or if this is of the Mojahir vs Pashtun (ANP) variety or if this is of the Mohajir and/or Pashtun vs Sindhi (PPP) variety. All these permutations and combinations have been prevalent of late in Karachi:

11 killed in fresh Karachi violence


Political violence with ethno-linguistic tinges continues unabated for the second day in Karachi:

Saturday, January 09, 2010

Eight die in fresh Karachi violence

By our correspondent

Karachi: Violence in the city continued unabated on Friday, as eight people, including activists of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), were killed in different incidents in the city. The latest casualties have now taken the number of fatalities to 17 over a two-day period.

The News


Meanwhile the MQM condemns “alleged targeted killing of party workers and members of the “Urdu-speaking communityî in Karachi” and calls for intervention by the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Surely that is calling on the fox to guard the henhouse :roll: :

Muttahida seeks Army’s help to protect Karachiites

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby ShibaPJ » 09 Jan 2010 08:14

Folks,
Breaking out of my lurker mode to clarify on the 'Cold Start' doctrine. Gen Kapoor's remarks have definitely unsettled Pukis, but are there not ways to circumvent the 4-day lead period? I mean, the rabid TSPA and ISI plan an attack on Matrubhumi, they could keep some of the warheads mated and ready for the D-day to deter any potential Indian attack. The only way out is for GoI/ army to unequivocally mark the 'Lakshman Rekha' (not in words) and stick to it.

Also, any Puki N-response should lead to India exercising 'Monroe option' (involving lizard and probably KSA), so by default escalating to a 2-front war. I know, this was war-gamed right here in BRF and there were so many theories floating around. So how has the situ changed from then? I took Gen Kapoor's statements as reconfirming Indian 'Monroe doctrine'. Has the Indian intent changed now and for a change, becoming serious? or has the Monroe doctrine changed? What am I missing here? Gurus, any details/ clarifications would be appreciated.

Mods, if this is OT here, please feel free to post and respond in the appropriate thread.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Anujan » 09 Jan 2010 08:44

ShibaPJ wrote: So how has the situ changed from then? I took Gen Kapoor's statements as reconfirming Indian 'Monroe doctrine'. Has the Indian intent changed now and for a change, becoming serious? or has the Monroe doctrine changed? What am I missing here?


India's posture vis-a-vis the Pakis stems from one basic principle--"No explicit targeting of mango Pakis". This has had an effect on various decision making processes -- for example, India has not opposed loan arrangements form multilateral lending institutions. India has not explicitly competed with Pakistan to cripple their exports. By extension, Paki brilliant strat-e-gists believe that using a TNW will not invite a counter value retaliation on Pakistani cities.

Kapoor is gradually hinting that the holy grail that India sought -- Assured and swift punishment and breaking the back of Paki army, with comparatively low collateral damage/economic hardship to the Paki population through a long drawn out war, is slowly becoming a reality. Paki army is gradually realizing this, and their "meta-stable" state of targeting Indian population while relying on Indian principle of not attacking Paki population, as well as holding back action against their fighting forces by the new clear detergent is ending.

This has been met by two actions from the Paki side. First was :(( that Indians are targetting Paki population through YYY kanspeerajies in blochistan, Swat and FATA. Second is acting more and more crazy and lowering the new clear threshold to deter an attack on their armed forces.

I personally am puzzled, because recent propaganda and the worms coming out of the woodwork kind of point towards the direction of Paki army fighting for survival. I do not know what precipitated this.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby arun » 09 Jan 2010 09:07

IMF’s message to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan ......................

Beg more effectively?

Lagging donor aid risk to Pakistan - IMF papers

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby sum » 09 Jan 2010 09:31


Meanwhile the MQM condemns “alleged targeted killing of party workers and members of the “Urdu-speaking communityî in Karachi” and calls for intervention by the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Wonder if Altaf Bhai had got a call from Nai Dilli?

Just mentioning this because BK had lamented in his earlier book about how MHA was not responding to Altaf's overtures which he used to send every now and then (in the 90s time frame).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2010 09:39

Gilani outlines the Paki takleef
The prime minister said the US must de-hyphenate Pakistan and Afghanistan, treat Islamabad and New Delhi on equal footing and play a proactive role in the resolution of core Indo-Pak issues, for a long term, stable and congenial relationship between Islamabad and Washington.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby ShauryaT » 09 Jan 2010 09:47

Anujan wrote:India's posture vis-a-vis the Pakis stems from one basic principle--"No explicit targeting of mango Pakis". This has had an effect on various decision making processes -- for example, India has not opposed loan arrangements form multilateral lending institutions. India has not explicitly competed with Pakistan to cripple their exports. By extension, Paki brilliant strat-e-gists believe that using a TNW will not invite a counter value retaliation on Pakistani cities.
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I personally am puzzled, because recent propaganda and the worms coming out of the woodwork kind of point towards the direction of Paki army fighting for survival. I do not know what precipitated this.
I personally do not make much of this event, except for the fact that the IA is saying, cold start is fully fine tuned and the IA is preparing for the next mile stone. (Read the link shiv posted on this thread and I have it in the Indian Interests thread)

In all of this, there is a peculiar logic at work, which western analysts usually do not pick up, as they do not think beyond mushroom clouds in the indo-pak context. India Pakistan wars never have been wars of attrition. They are more war of maneuvers. Many say this is due to India's desire not to be seen as being belligerent due to its ethos. However, I think the same thought process is there on the Pakistani side too (even if it is sacrilege on this thread to say so).

Think of TSP, as being a small mean dog, say a (Pomeranian) opposed to a Great Dane. The Pom knows its size but the only way it can defend itself is by "showing" to be overly aggressive and "hope" the bigger dog will not call its bluff. Due apologies to dogs.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Dipanker » 09 Jan 2010 09:53

Pakistani rockets fired into India, no casualties
Border Security Force (BSF) troopers fired from machine-guns and automatic weapons after suspected terrorists fired seven rockets into Punjab's Amritsar district but there were no casualties, officials said on Saturday.

The rockets were found in an agricultural field near Kangarh chowki (post) in Attari sector early on Saturday.

BSF troopers retaliated with machine-gun and automatic weapons into Pakistan from the area where the rocket blasts were heard between 2 am and 3 am on Saturday.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby kmkraoind » 09 Jan 2010 10:01

Aman ki NirAsha

The idea behind the whipping up of mass hysteria against US and India in what is now being dubbed ''Paranoidistan'' appears to be a ploy by hard-line elements in Islamabad to disengage from fulfilling its bilateral and international obligations to tackle terrorist elements. With each terrorist incident, Pakistan is coming under increasing pressure from US to give up its obsession with the non-existent threat from India and focus on confronting its home-grown threats eating away at the country.

The Pakistani military has signaled clearly that it does not subscribe to the US prescription, and General Kapoor’s outline of new Indian doctrines has come in handy for this escape act. After distorting Gen Kapoor’s remarks and generating a sulfurous discourse in the media, the Pakistani military high command and the civilian cabinet defense committee both met last week to assert that ''Pakistan would never allow its security to be jeopardized.'' Pakistan’s beleaguered president Asif Ali Zardari, under pressure from the army, also joined this military-ISI generated hysteria by promising a 1000-year confrontation with India over Kashmir.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby shravan » 09 Jan 2010 10:20

‘Swat Taliban have fled to Karachi, South Waziristan’

“I think these militants have fled to Karachi and Waziristan,” Operation Commander Major General Ashfaq Nadeem told Daily Times in an interview.

Nadeem said intelligence agencies were on the hunt for these suspected terrorists in Karachi and some of them had already been arrested.

“It is because Karachi is a big city and it is not easy to find someone so easily. Secondly, you can find shelter among fellow Pashtuns who number in tens of thousands,” said a man in Matta tehsil, whose militant relative was traced in Karachi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Altair » 09 Jan 2010 10:40

Anujan wrote:I personally am puzzled, because recent propaganda and the worms coming out of the woodwork kind of point towards the direction of Paki army fighting for survival. I do not know what precipitated this.


The only way the Pakistani fauj can keep its H&D intact is showing that their tight a$$ fauj beat our kafr fauj. Its possible that they wanted to start a limited war with India by exploding a JDAM in an Indian city. Declare innocence and hide behind their tarrel than mountain fliend,hoping India would backoff so they can declare victory. Since this tactically brilliant paki move was called by our Kapoor saab and Chidambaram ji they no longer hold that edge. Attacking India was their escape plan. Now they feel trapped between the talibanis and Amreekis. Their game is up. They figured it soon after the two front war fighting intent by our General saab.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby shiv » 09 Jan 2010 11:08

Altair wrote:The only way the Pakistani fauj can keep its H&D intact is showing that their tight a$$ fauj beat our kafr fauj. Its possible that they wanted to start a limited war with India by exploding a JDAM in an Indian city. Declare innocence and hide behind their tarrel than mountain fliend,hoping India would backoff so they can declare victory. Since this tactically brilliant paki move was called by our Kapoor saab and Chidambaram ji they no longer hold that edge. Attacking India was their escape plan. Now they feel trapped between the talibanis and Amreekis. Their game is up. They figured it soon after the two front war fighting intent by our General saab.


Perhaps the biggest reason for takleef is the very clear message to China from Kapoor saab about where to get off. That rubs Paki H&D no end because they have always survived on "If I can't beat you my chacha, for whom I am the ashna, will beat you"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Avinash R » 09 Jan 2010 11:16

Attacks against Shi'ites on the increase in Pakistan - Video Link

Pakistan is already struggling to contain the Taliban insurgency threatening the country. But it could also facing an internal battle along religious divides. Attacks against Shi'ite Muslims have been on the increase in recent months, resulting in several thousand deaths.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2010 12:08

Avinash R wrote:Attacks against Shi'ites on the increase in Pakistan - Video Link

Pakistan is already struggling to contain the Taliban insurgency threatening the country. But it could also facing an internal battle along religious divides. Attacks against Shi'ite Muslims have been on the increase in recent months, resulting in several thousand deaths.

Avinash, the Taliban, the SSP, JeM, LeJ, HuJI and the Al Qaeda have the same views and those include eliminating the Shi'a. Islamic Sectariansim binds them at the hip. The Parachinar, Kurram Shi'a have been blockaded by the AQAM for almost three years now. The AQAM is fighting a holistic war. They do not separate one aspect of their belief from another. Whenever an opportunity presents to prosecute any aspect of theirs, they grab it with both hands.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Hari Seldon » 09 Jan 2010 13:08

Does anyone have some rough idea of the % popn breakdown of shias-sunnis in the 4 TSPian provinces and their capitals? TIA.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Suppiah » 09 Jan 2010 13:41

I have no issues seeing Pakjab and rest of TSP burn to hell and more but I hope they keep Sindh burning to within reasonable limits. It is home to fanatics who with open mind and eyes chose a land of fanatic barbarianism and barbaric animalism over living peacefully with their Hindu brethren in a civilised society. Hope they dont think of coming back.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Altair » 09 Jan 2010 14:51

Suppiah wrote:I have no issues seeing Pakjab and rest of TSP burn to hell and more but I hope they keep Sindh burning to within reasonable limits. It is home to fanatics who with open mind and eyes chose a land of fanatic barbarianism and barbaric animalism over living peacefully with their Hindu brethren in a civilised society. Hope they dont think of coming back.


India must prepare itself for a refuge situation ASAP. Pakistanis will never hesitate to start a genocide once again if it means saving the fauj H&D and the honor of islam. India will be forced to involve if a Bangladesh type situation happens. If Pakistanis want a way out of the current situation they need to create a bigger mess. Sindh is the least of 'pure' in Pakistan. If they start massacring the Sindhis, its possible that India might get involved at some stage because US wouldnt care as long as their long term goals in the region is not affected.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby shravan » 09 Jan 2010 14:53

CIA bomber shown on TV with Pakistan Taliban leader

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - A Pakistan television station showed on Saturday what it said was the suicide bomber double agent who killed CIA agents in Afghanistan sitting with the Pakistani Taliban leader, and reported he shared U.S. and Jordanian state secrets with militants.

Private television station AAJ showed a video of the bomber, speaking in English but hardly audible, with Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud beside him.

"Jordanian and American intelligence had offered him millions of dollars in exchange for spying on the mujahideen (holy warriors). But he rejected wealth and joined the mujahideen," said AAJ of Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, a Jordanian.

The channel quoted him by his online persona Abu Dujana al-Khorasani as saying that he "shared all secrets of Jordanian and American intelligence with his fellow (militants)".

If the video is authentic, it points to huge intelligence failures for the United States and its key Middle East ally Jordan.

Pakistan would also feel the heat. It is struggling against Mehsud's growing insurgency while facing relentless U.S. pressure to eliminate militant groups that cross its borders to fight in Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Atri » 09 Jan 2010 15:01

Altair wrote:India must prepare itself for a refuge situation ASAP. Pakistanis will never hesitate to start a genocide once again if it means saving the fauj H&D and the honor of islam. India will be forced to involve if a Bangladesh type situation happens. If Pakistanis want a way out of the current situation they need to create a bigger mess. Sindh is the least of 'pure' in Pakistan. If they start massacring the Sindhis, its possible that India might get involved at some stage because US wouldnt care as long as their long term goals in the region is not affected.


The pakjab-Sindh nexus is too close now.. Remember that kraachi is now the haven for jihadi abduls and not NWFP( which is merely a testing field).

The less pure are shias and baluchis... baluchis are not enough to exert pressure on India nor are they geographically placed (lack of shared border with Baluchistan). They can exert this pressure on Iran and Iran may have to interfere.

As KSA involvement waxes in TSP, Iranian restraint vis-a-vis TSP wanes. Iran will have to be persuaded to act as saviors of Shia in TSP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby vishal » 09 Jan 2010 15:44

Transcript of conversation between Srinagar terrorists & Paki handlers

The new strategy is clear. More Mumbai type attacks but below the threshold of national outrage. I expect the jihadis to operate in teams of 2 instead of the large Mumbai-type squad. If the Indian response to the Srinagar attack is not disproportionately large then all we can do is wait for more of these across the country. Initially, these attacks will happen in the smaller cities, possibly in the NE, and then be expanded to the metros. The death toll will be kept in sub-10 range and increased steadily as the GoI continues to do nothing.

Note: The link is correct but the IBN site is acting up.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Hari Seldon » 09 Jan 2010 15:49

^^^But one does have to wonder as to how there was no repeat of 26/11 all this time since 26/11. Were we merely lucky? Somehow, I doubt it. Sure, I can see why unkil doesn't want its munna distracted on its eastern border but why should munna oblige its unkiil when it desperately wants to create distractions on the eastern front, eh?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby vishal » 09 Jan 2010 15:57

Hari Seldon wrote:^^^But one does have to wonder as to how there was no repeat of 26/11 all this time since 26/11. Were we merely lucky? Somehow, I doubt it.


Hari: An op on the scale of Mumbai takes more resources to prepare for than a similar attack by a 2-man team. Indian intel agencies have learnt what to look for to detect a 26/11 type attack. The response has been to reduce the size of the squad heading into India. A smaller team, fewer resources and less chatter make for a stealthier strike package. Basically, reduce the 'RCS' & the damage, but retain the basic template.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2010 16:10

Chiron wrote:The pakjab-Sindh nexus is too close now.. Remember that kraachi is now the haven for jihadi abduls and not NWFP( which is merely a testing field).


Chiron, I don't understand what you mean by the above. There is and can be no friendship (nexus) between the Punjabis and the Sindhis. The Baldia town where this explosion took place is a Pashtun stronghold as are Sohrab Goth etc. There are three power centres in Karachi, the native Sindhis, the mohajirs and the Pashtuns. The Sindhis are the weakest power there. The mohajirs and the Sindhis are trying to sink their differences and swim the tide together as much as possible. The spate of targetted killings in the last few days have taken a heavy toll of MQM & ANP workers, both of whom are at the receiving end from AQAM.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby harbans » 09 Jan 2010 16:39

Amused reading this..TOI is reading BRF: :D

I wrote this yesterday:

Coming to think of it, the Paki propaganda machine is indeed admirable. A simle statement from the General on preparing for war under a nuclear overhang becomes " Indian General threatens Nuclear War with Pakistan". A simple statement of having capabiloity to fight a 2 pronged war becomes "Indian General threatens Pakistan and China with war".



TOI writes this today:

Familiar policy formulations by the Indian general that New Delhi has to prepare for a war under a nuclear overhang because of Pakistani provocation under nuclear cover, has been conflated to ''Indian General threatens Pakistan with nuclear war'' (despite India’s professed policy no-first-use of nuclear weapons).

In the most recent instance, Kapoor’s remarks about the need for India developing capability to fight a two-front war has been translated to ''Indian General threatens Pakistan and China with war.''


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 425688.cms

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Altair » 09 Jan 2010 18:12

harbans wrote:Amused reading this..TOI is reading BRF: :D

Its actually sad my friend. I wonder from where these people lift the other news.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby harbans » 09 Jan 2010 19:05

Its actually sad my friend. I wonder from where these people lift the other news.

Actually CR is a good writer. Some of his articles have been pretty Ok. His comments on the Paki situation are pretty pointed at times. He's not the WKK types for sure. And yes he reads BRF..good for him. :mrgreen:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Avinash R » 09 Jan 2010 19:07

Musharraf had met ULFA leader Chetia in Dhaka: Bangla Minister
PTI, 9 January 2010, 01:21pm IST

DHAKA: Former Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf had a secret meeting with jailed ULFA leader Anup Chetia during a visit here when ex-premier Khaleda Zia of BNP was in power, a senior Bangladesh minister has alleged.

"Pervez Musharraf came to Dhaka... when the ULFA leader was detained in the (Dhaka Central) jail, from where he was brought to the Sheraton Hotel" for a meeting with the President, local government minister Ashraful Islam said.

"He (Chetia) held a meeting with Pervez Musharraf for some one and a half hours," Islam, also the general secretary of ruling Awami League, said at a discussion on Indo-Bangla relations on Friday.

Chetia was arrested from Dhaka during the past 1996-2001 Awami League regime and still is in "security custody" despite the expiry of his jail term for cross-border intrusion.

Islam's comments came as investigators here reportedly revealed alleged links between the insurgent group and Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence (ISI). A probe is underway into the country's biggest-ever arms haul in 2004 when Bangladesh Police seized 10 truckloads of weapons believed to be destined for ULFA hideouts in northeast India.

"The 10 truckloads of weapon were not brought to be used in Bangladesh, these were destined to India, one lakh bullets were seized (earlier) from (northwestern) Bogra and those too were being smuggled to India," the minister said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby sreeji » 09 Jan 2010 19:24

Steep fall in value of Pakistani rupee vs Indian rupee in the new year.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby shravan » 09 Jan 2010 19:37

Police vehicle comes under rocket attack in Lyari
January 09, 2010

KARACHI: A rocket has been fired at an armoured vehicle in Lyari area while in its adjacent area Ranchor Line a man has been gunned down.

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11 more killed in Karachi
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby A_Gupta » 09 Jan 2010 20:16

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8449789.stm

The Jordanian doctor Balawi who blew himself up along with CIA operatives in Afghanistan is seen in this video calling for revenge for the death of Baitullah Mehsud. Featured in the video, but silent, is Hakimullah Mehsud.

So the Pakistani Taliban also have a hand in this, and that makes it relevant to this thread.

If you watch the video, note that one of the purposes Balawi states, apart from avenging Mehud's death, is the "freeing of the prisoners". Any idea which specific prisoners he's referring to?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Dipanker » 09 Jan 2010 22:07

vishal wrote:Transcript of conversation between Srinagar terrorists & Paki handlers

The new strategy is clear. More Mumbai type attacks but below the threshold of national outrage. I expect the jihadis to operate in teams of 2 instead of the large Mumbai-type squad. If the Indian response to the Srinagar attack is not disproportionately large then all we can do is wait for more of these across the country. Initially, these attacks will happen in the smaller cities, possibly in the NE, and then be expanded to the metros. The death toll will be kept in sub-10 range and increased steadily as the GoI continues to do nothing.

Note: The link is correct but the IBN site is acting up.


I was thinking the same, you preempted me in posting it!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Anujan » 09 Jan 2010 22:09

The CIA base attack is even more serious than previously thought !

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/09/AR2010010900758.html

At least six others standing in the carport and nearby were wounded by pellets that had first perforated the vehicle, including the CIA's second-in-command inside Afghanistan, who is now reportedly fighting for his life.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Postby Guddu » 09 Jan 2010 22:31

Gagan wrote:ISPR
No 15/2010-ISPR Dated: January 7, 2010
Rawalpindi - January 7, 2010:
Take your pick:
1. Pakistanis are planning another 26/11
2. Massa's delivered another dire ultimatum.


Its an ultimatum for sure. Pukis are in no position to wage war....no electricity, no money,no honey, in pukistan these days...


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