Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 25 Jan 2010 21:59

The IPL drama over TSPian is a reflection of what Brihaspati has said many times. India toils and collects the honey (resources), then the neighbors move in to make a grab for it. From 1950-2000 When India was dirt poor and no such wealth existed in Indian sports, no one, it seems cared for India. Now the resources ahve appeared, there is tremendous takleef to get a share of it. IPL is an indian resource that should be used for Indian benifit.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jan 2010 22:08

surinder wrote:
chetak wrote:So did Jaswant Singh.

The pakis particularly hated his rich baritone voice!!!
Is that true? Any more details?

Sorry boss, no links.

I distinctly remember some paki comments on Indian TV about JS commenting on something ( not liked by the porkis ) and Js's rich baritone seemed to be their pet peeve.

More power to JS.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 25 Jan 2010 22:22

Mumbai gunman demands trial by international court (Washington Post)

The alleged gunman in the 2008 bloody siege of Mumbai said Monday he should be tried by an international court because he does not expect justice in India. Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, 21, told a special court that police had falsely implicated him in the case. "I should be tried in an international court," he told Judge M.L. Tahiliyani.

Kasab also said Monday he wanted to call witnesses from Pakistan for his defense, and that he should be allowed to meet Pakistani officials. Witnesses would include a passport officer, he said, without providing other details.

Kasab told the judge he came to Mumbai as a tourist and was arrested 20 days before the siege began. On the day the attacks started, Kasab said police took him from his cell because he resembled one of the gunmen. They then shot him to make it look as if he had been involved in the attacks and re-arrested him, Kasab said.

Falsely implicated? Time for a memory refresher! <<< Clicky here for evidence.

Btw, kudos to Washington Post for posting this pic proving the false accusation right next to the news story.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Jan 2010 22:23

Chidambram saying that Pakistani players should have been included in IPL is the sort of post-event statements that statesmen indulge in. Nothing wrong with what he says, I am not dissing him for saying that.

But that statement exaggerates the fact that ideally the pakistanis should have been included, but they were not. The pakistanis, if they have some intelligence left need to figure that out - somethings are best left unsaid.

The other point that the home minister raises is the "world will consider that the attack was done by pakistan"
I take this as both a submission that there is not much India can or will do should such an attack materialize - I fully expect another round of dossiers officially and more IED mubaraks in pakistan. This is also a veiled warning that should the world decide that pakistan has run out of lifelines, it is in danger of being squeezed economically and perhaps militarily.

I hate it and love it when politicians and people in power make such quadruple meaning statements - these can be construed either way.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 25 Jan 2010 22:26

Kanson wrote:If we take the defeat of Sindi Hindu King by 8th century, where Sind is part of Unified India and till Mughal rule in 18th century, it is 1000 yrs. Or, if one can take the rule of Princely states by Nizams and Nawabs in the sub-continent till the partition, it comes around 1000 yrs.

Ruling a part of Sindh does not count as ruling India, just as currently part of Indian territory under Chinese occupation (Aksai Chin), and part of Indian territory under Paki occupation (POK) does not tantamount to China and Pakistan are ruling India.

Most part of current day Pakistan was ruled by Hindu kingdoms up until 10th century. The current day Pakistan was under Islamic rule from around 1000AD to 1800AD until the Sikh became the rulers.

So you see even Pakistan has not been under Islamic rule for 1000 years! The rest 4000 years they have ruled by Kafirs!

bart · Post by **bart** » 25 Jan 2010 22:28

Rahul Shukla wrote:
Btw, kudos to Washington Post for posting this pic proving the false accusation right next to the news story.

Well, the caption on the picture calls him "The alleged gunman".

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 25 Jan 2010 22:46

O/T but relevant to what has been discussed in regards to "Muslims ruling India for 1000 years".

Here is a very interesting animation of territory held by the Mughal Empire between 1500-1900.

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 25 Jan 2010 22:48

How could a village Abdul like Kasab, trained to kill Kaffirs and sent to on a mission for his 72, could possibly know what an International Court is?

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 25 Jan 2010 22:51

^^^^
1000-rule causes anxiety to those who do not know history, if you know then what is true is true, what is false is false. If you get anxiety, then Pakis have succeded, if not then it is another of meaningless statements.

As a matter of fact, we should not have a need to correct the TSPian's: Their delusions is a source of strenth for us. A deluded enemy is far better than a realistic enemy with feet on the ground. If they learn the truth and apply its lessons, it actually might become a formidable enemy.

As a side not: the most laughable element of "We ruled you for 1000 years" is actually "We". Who is this "we"? The rulers were turks mostly. But even those who ruled have been dead for 1000 years; no one, except Indian yogis in the Himalayas, lives for 1000 years.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 25 Jan 2010 22:54

somnath wrote:
I dont think that barring a microscopic minority, too many Hindus bother themselves with the "1000 year rule" syndrome..If they did, there was a great chance of a "proper" civil war targeting muslims in 1947, didnt happen..Could have happened in 1965, didnt happen..1971 - despite Indira Gandhi's foolish "avenged 1000 years of etc etc" didnt happen..

She never said that. That is just yet another Paki's lie.

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 25 Jan 2010 23:24

surinder wrote:^^^^
As a matter of fact, we should not have a need to correct the TSPian's: Their delusions is a source of strenth for us. A deluded enemy is far better than a realistic enemy with feet on the ground. If they learn the truth and apply its lessons, it actually might become a formidable enemy.

As a side not: the most laughable element of "We ruled you for 1000 years" is actually "We". Who is this "we"? The rulers were turks mostly. But even those who ruled have been dead for 1000 years; no one, except Indian yogis in the Himalayas, lives for 1000 years.

The Italians and the Iraqis would probably lay claim to half of Eurasia if the "1000-year rule" was applied!

Curious how the Pakis have this mentality, and so do their tarrel-than-mountain fliends...see the PRC claim anything that any ancient Han explorer even passed through. The only difference being, the Pakis are just being delusional, while China is using this argument in an aggressive (and so far effective) way.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Jan 2010 23:56

This IPL thing has been very successful in evoking reactions from Pakistanis. After the Pakistan cricketer who blamed the "Hindu thought process" for the IPL snub, here comes an Indian media person doing something similar.

Sagarika Ghose wrote: Internet Hindus are like swarms of bees. they come swarming after you at any mention of Modi Muslims or Pakistan!

This one is more sinister IMO, because it implies that some Indians would defacto support Pakistan.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 26 Jan 2010 00:09

somnath wrote:1971 - despite Indira Gandhi's foolish "avenged 1000 years of etc etc"

AFAIK, this is a lie spread by Pakis. IG said no such thing. If you have a credible source to the contrary, please post it.

Thanks.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jan 2010 00:19

So what stopped Shahrukh Khan's team from picking up the TSP players if he feels so much?

If PC and SRK say TSP players should have been in IPL but werent then what was the reason?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 26 Jan 2010 00:26

Afridi wants to 'forgive and forget' IPL snub

London: Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi says he is willing to forgive and forget the happenings of the Indian Premier League auction and if he is invited to play in India he would do so happily.

In a statement carried on Tuesday by cricket site pakpassion from London, Afridi said he was deeply hurt and angry the way the Pakistani players were treated at the auction, but he wants to treat the issue as closed.

"Over the last few days there has been intense media attention on the IPL auction in Pakistan and India. After my explanation, Inshallah, the matter will be closed.

How magnanimous of him.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 26 Jan 2010 00:33

Pak court issues notice to its govt over IPL snub
http://cricket.rediff.com/report/2010/j ... l-snub.htm

A curse on Lalit Modi. Now we have been denied the pleasure of seeing a bunch of Pakis playing kabaddi on Indian soil.

The Pakistan Kabaddi Federation too called off its team's scheduled tour of India.

He also said the Pakistan government should organise a cricket league on the pattern of IPL so that the country's cricketers and fans can get some relief.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 26 Jan 2010 00:35

Time frame of Islamic rules in India:-

644 AD - Small Invasion of Sindh
654 - Attempted Invasion of Balochistan but they lost
711 - Attempted Invasion of Balochistan and Sindh
712- Raja Dhir was defeated (Sindh + south Punjab under Islamic rule)
738- Hindu King again defeated Muslim Invader.
985- Balochistan , Sindh and Multan under Islamic rule
1010- 1187 - Majority of North India were part of Islamic rule.
Rajsthan and Gujrat were ruled by Hindu King
1191- Rajsthan also captured
1250- North India + Bengal + Most of central India
1500- Entry in south with Vijaynagar invasion
larger Kingdom of Rajsthan, Kalinga, Parts of Decan,Gujrat, Malwa
were under Hindu rule
1500 - Mughal Empire

It will be nice If any guru can add or correct this.

archan · Post by **archan** » 26 Jan 2010 00:46

R_Kumar wrote: It will be nice If any guru can add or correct this.

In another thread.
Take this stuff to some history thread please. Spare the TSP thread. They already have much to worry about, like IPL.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 26 Jan 2010 00:57

Numbers help tell the misfortune of having born a Paki.

India generates 20 times more electricity than Pakistan.
India 155GW (source)
Pakis 7,500MW (source)

On per capita basis, an Indian consumes approx 3 times that of a Paki.

Another point. While India plans to add 13GW every year, Pakis have actually reduced by 500MW.

pak-lurks,
Just so that your in-bred minds are not overburdened (1GW = 1000MW)

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Jan 2010 01:03

bart wrote:Well, the caption on the picture calls him "The alleged gunman".

That's the problem with these guys.

Next if there's a photo showing him shooting someone, the reporters of these ilk will write,

Gunman allegedly shooting people

or

Gunman allegedly killing people

I wonder, why putting in alankaars is deemed so important to these guys! Its like they have some inferiority complex that they need to boost their prose with expletives to improve the quality of what is written.

Mostly this is professional disdain for everything that is third world. Thus terrorists are not terrorists, but militants, secessionists, hardliners etc, but never terrorists - until they get attacked themselves.

Some of our dork media wallahs, I can understand feel inferior to the angrez goras, and simply have to ape them blindly, including using that 'allegedly' word, senselessy introduced everywhere. I know where they should introduce it first - they are all allegedly sons of their fathers.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 26 Jan 2010 01:05

Bhima wrote:O/T but relevant to what has been discussed in regards to "Muslims ruling India for 1000 years".

Here is a very interesting animation of territory held by the Mughal Empire between 1500-1900.

1900 ??? i don't think so. aurangazeb died in 1707 and thats when the decline of mogul empire started.

KrishnaMu · Post by **KrishnaMu** » 26 Jan 2010 01:40

In adopted country the scum are creating chao's. Today it is national news, normally Irish are liberal attitude towards immigrants thanks to Pakistani there attitudes will be soon changing.

'Bogus' marriages investigated

Over 100 cases of marriage or intended marriage between Asian men and Eastern European women in Ireland are being investigated by the Garda National Immigration Bureau.

Officers believe that many of the marriages are undertaken so that the men can secure residency in the State.

A 27-year-old man from Pakistan, who was arrested as part of the investigation, was convicted and sentenced in Blanchardstown District Court this morning after he was caught with two false passports.

€10,000 bogus marriage offer for Latvian girls

POOR, young Latvian women are being lured to Ireland with promises of up to €10,000 to "marry" illegal immigrants here, men mainly from Pakistan, most of whom are believed to have wives back in their home countries.

Adverts have been placed in Latvia and, it is believed other Baltic states, seeking women to come to Ireland to marry illegal immigrants over the past two years.

One advert in Latvia stated: "Young unmarried women wanted. Women who would agree to help Indian guys in Dublin with registering marriage on paper (fictitious marriage, popular in Dublin nowadays).

"Everything will be covered, plus you get €1,000, plus room rent covered, plus work offered, plus pocket money, plus course (professional, language) plus other benefits. Also plane ticket costs will be covered. All this is legal!."

Although the advert claimed that "Indian" men were involved, investigations into such marriages by the Garda National Bureau of Investigation (GNIB) found that those involved are all from Pakistan. (********)

If you have any friends Baltic states pass this alert!!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Jan 2010 01:47

sanjaychoudhry wrote:Pak court issues notice to its govt over IPL snub
http://cricket.rediff.com/report/2010/j ... l-snub.htm

A curse on Lalit Modi. Now we have been denied the pleasure of seeing a bunch of Pakis playing kabaddi on Indian soil.

Indeed a curse on Modi.

BRF jingos are being deprived of an opportunity to see the paki chaddies forcibly taken off during the kabbadi matches.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jan 2010 01:54

TSPA needs to get a harder line image after the beating the took from the TTP folks if they still want to command the kabila.
I expect they will become more overt about their relationship to Al Q. I see no other alternative. IOW they need more hardline position than the rebels.
What this will mean to the rest of the world is another thing. One thing is they wont seize power directly anymore as that will cut off US aid. So if Zardari gets replaced it will be by another of their puppets.

archan · Post by **archan** » 26 Jan 2010 01:56

milindc wrote:Numbers help tell the misfortune of having born a Paki.

India generates 20 times more electricity than Pakistan.
India 155GW (source)
Pakis 7,500MW (source)

On per capita basis, an Indian consumes approx 3 times that of a Paki.

Does that not mean that pakis are more efficient? they use one third the electricity as the Indians to live!
Is not Pakistan a green country in more ways than one?

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 26 Jan 2010 02:04

ispot the kafirs
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... d-pray-510

Sindh Taraqi Pasand Party (STPP) Chairman Dr Qadir Magsi along with party workers throws flower petals into the Indus as a mark of respect and love for the river which has sustained life in Sindh for centuries. – APP photo

Thousands of people thronged the dry bed of the once mighty Indus at different places along its route in the province on Sunday to mark the Indus River Day.

A local media organisation had given the call for the day and various sections of society responded with enthusiasm and thronged banks of the river.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 26 Jan 2010 02:06

Blast in Panjgur kills one, injures six

One security personnel member has been killed and six others injured after a remote controlled bomb exploded in the Panjgur district of Balochistan.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 26 Jan 2010 02:19

You could get some info from below:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rp ... 4crime.htm
http://www.savethefalcons.org/exhibits/brief_tab_16.asp

Gagan wrote:
Karna_A wrote: Pakjabis have so much convoluted thinking that even when they are getting screwed, they imagine they are screwing someone, otherwsie what could be reason of providing Lahore University students to visiting KSA sheikhs.
Err,
Any links for that bit of info?

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 26 Jan 2010 02:25

To make up for the loss (gain actually) of pakis, cant we get hold of some promising Afghan players into IPL? The the insult will be complete

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 26 Jan 2010 03:29

BTW, in this whole IPL saga, how come this hasn't been discussed:

In December, Lalit Modi rejected Pakistani players ability to partcipate in the auction when the deadline for getting NOCs and whatnot had passed in December 2009:

http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/content ... 38528.html

"Pakistan cricketers will not feature in IPL 2010 as their board has failed to obtain their visas before the deadline for confirmation of participation, the league's commissioner, Lalit Modi, has said. The franchises will now have to look for replacements for the Pakistan players they had signed, he said.

"We have been informed by the PCB that they have not been able to obtain the visas as of now. So we are not able to extend the deadline," Modi told the Times Now channel. "Today is the absolute deadline for confirmation of Pakistani players [to take part in the IPL]. The exchange window [ends] the day after tomorrow. "

According to Dawn columnist Shoab Alvi

"Why did they invite us? Well because we chased them to do so. No one was really desperate to have the Pakistani players around last December and there were only cold enquiries to ask if the players were available. Then our very own PCB and government took a long time to process NOCs and the IPL shut the door once the deadline had passed.

Then the players said they wanted to be let in again. We worked the phones, the faxes and the emails and grudgingly Modi allowed our players to stand up for sale.
Please note PCB, players and politicians: The invitations, if they had formally existed at all, had been cancelled on December 9 as the extended deadline for NOCs from Pakistan had come and gone. It had been made clear to us that Modi & Co did not want our players."

So now, there was no news that these chaps had been allowed to stand. i remember the rejoicing on BRF when Modi issued the december statement. I was surprised to find that they had been allowed to stand in the first place. Why did GOI bend over backwards to accomodate them? Did GOI, in contrast to what is being blamed on them, actually encourage Modi to change his stance and include the players? Did Modi and the franchises staret down GOI and say no can do?

Why doesn't Modi clear the air and declare once and for all that Pakistani players weren't making sense this time around, and point to Gilani's statement about uncontrolled terrorism from Pakistan to vindicate the fact that these players create a security mess that is detrimental to business.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jan 2010 03:32

How can he after PC has sort of blamed the IPL for non-inclusion of the TSP players? PC with his statement has clarified GOI has noting to do with the non-inclusion.

I wonder is TSP went to massa about the slight and needed the GOI clarification. In other words the league is on its own.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 26 Jan 2010 04:31

IG said that the Two Nation Theory lies buried in the Bay of Bengal or something along those lines, which was of course interpreted by the Pakistanis differently (avenged 1000000000000 Centuries of Mulsim rule etc....)

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 26 Jan 2010 04:38

This page is a treasure in the TSP thread. Bhima a fantastic renditioning of the Mughal Empire time frame and year by year account. I watched every second of that. Thank you and it's very relevent. Hope Archan mods don't delete this for being 'offtopic'.

Another thing of very serious implication that our foreign office must take more notice than the IPL thing that PC is barked insanely on is this (Krishna mu Ji's post alert on this topic):

If you have any friends Baltic states pass this alert!!

I have seen this happen too many times in Europe. I had a very nice/ close friend in Lithuania at one time and they have a tremendous respect for India. Paki's feel an entitlement to all things Indian, but will rape and ravage the name of India and Hindu's in particular whenever they get the chance. Mods please put this alert up as pinned notice for some time at least. Please don't delete it. This is happening on a larger scale than many here are aware off.

These contorted idiots want to contest ultimately the doctrine of 'Satyameva Jayate'. They will get fried and roasted if they want to contest that to the ultimate.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 26 Jan 2010 04:43

There are two dimensions to decisions made in regard with Pak Players in IPL auction. The past and Future.
If we just consider the past, the decision is justified and it will take millions such decisions on various platform to just to match regret of pasts on the insaaf ka taraaju.

On the other hand, if we look at the future, such decisions ,if taken otherwise could have helped our image as a soft power. There had been tons of articles and talks about Indian soft power, but what good it be if we shield its to-be influence on our enemy.
Such decisions, if accepted as a trend is not good for business environment as well. Today, its just Pakistan and Australia on hit list. Tomorrow , the sphere of justification can include other nations as well. No matter what be the reasons, inclusion of pak players can atleast have kept whole paki junta glued to television for their emotional needs. They already are addicted to Indian movie,music for their emotional needs and for India (though small) , its an business opportunity lost. (assuming paki player's salary is less that money earned from telecast rights in Pakistan).
Many of you may not agree with my conception. But, i will always vote for a scenario when a paki after evening namaaz goes to a bar, bashes indian influence on his culture. And the very next morning queues in multiplex to be the first one to watch new bollywood release.At the same time,feminist brigade in his home while cooking food in kitchen discusses the probable script of next episode of saas bahu serial. (Infact, our old rona-dhona serials are sold as DVDs in pakistan and afghanistan).

An enemy, dependent on you for one of his basic needs can't be a serious enemy.

For those, not doing such IPL kinda-act as weakness on India's part. Whatever credit earned from IPL tamasha has no physical value. We rather need to focus on other productive matters of importance.

IPL or no IPL, the potential military threat from west still remains. Such tamasha is no way aiding our positions.

cant we get hold of some promising Afghan players into IPL?

Are there any?
And rather i should propose a south Asian cricket tournament/league centered at India and including all south Asian countries and Afghanistan..except for Pakistan. Lets help our brothers in proper dis-integration from hindu sub-continent.

KrishnaMu · Post by **KrishnaMu** » 26 Jan 2010 04:46

harbans wrote:...
If you have any friends Baltic states pass this alert!!

I have seen this happen too many times in Europe. I had a very nice/ close friend in Lithuania at one time and they have a tremendous respect for India. Paki's feel an entitlement to all things Indian, but will rape and ravage the name of India and Hindu's in particular whenever they get the chance. Mods please put this alert up as pinned notice for some time at least. Please don't delete it. This is happening on a larger scale than many here are aware off.

These contorted idiots want to contest ultimately the doctrine of 'Satyameva Jayate'. They will get fried and roasted if they want to contest that to the ultimate.

First time something coverage in Public Naitonal News Chennal. Normally they wont care. This is abuse of "Indian" name again. Now the problem here epidemic. But part of EU they have to go through EU frame work. Yes lot of polish, romanian friends love abt India. Especially Indian movies, one romanian girl friend of mine has more bollywood DVD then any Indian house.

I have worked almost every national from EU, they have good respect.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 26 Jan 2010 04:49

So what stopped Shahrukh Khan's team from picking up the TSP players if he feels so much?

Yes exactly. more also as you mentioned on PCs statement. I think it's absolutely inappropriate of the GOI to comment on a private franchise choices specially in sports. Who is mixing sports and politics now after PCs statement?? Indian Govt and Pakistan Govt. PC has done an ==. Disgusting. I feel we deserve better politicians and this school of people within us wanting == must go. I posted a relevant post explaining on that but was deleted. I cannot replicate that sentiment but will say that same sentiment will get more relevant with Pakistani RAPE coming under the strangle of talibanic Sharia.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 26 Jan 2010 05:01

Pakistan talks of boycotting IPL 2011, Champions League
Two senior Pakistani officials, sports minister Aijaz Hussain Jahkrani and PCB chairman Ijaz Butt, have ruled out the participation of cricketers from that country in next year's IPL and the Champions League Twenty20 tournament later this year, according to media reports. This, the officials say, is a reaction to the boycott of Pakistani players in the IPL auction

"We are the World Twenty20 champions, there is a Twenty20 World Cup this year, and they don't want us to win again," Butt was quoted as saying in the Sydney Morning Herald. "We will definitely not send any players for the IPL next time. Would you after this treatment?

"This is a conspiracy," Butt said. "They probably don't want our players from playing in these competitions.''

The decision puts a question mark over Shahid Afridi's participation in the Twenty20 Champions League tournament, as a member of the South Australia Redbacks side. Though it is a global tournament featuring the best domestic Twenty20 sides in the world, the Champions League is an Indian initiative, with IPL chief Lalit Modi officiating as its chairman.

Asked whether Afridi would be given clearance to play in the Champions League, Jakhrani said, "At the moment, I cannot say. We're looking at this matter." For his part, Champions League commissioner Lalit Modi told Cricinfo it was not an issue at all.

Afridi, currently in Australia with Pakistan's limited-overs side, said he wanted to play in the Champions League but would make his final decision after talking to the minister.

"I think [the boycott] is a fact, it is not my decision. I will speak to the Sports Minister and see what he is saying, and then I will make a decision. I want to play in the Champions League," Afridi said.

Later, in a press release that appeared on PakPassion.net, Afridi clarified that he was keen to move forward from the auction controversy.

"If I was invited to play in India again I would do so happily, they have great fans and great stadiums and I have many friends there," Afridi said. He also mentioned that sport should be used to build peace between the two nations.

Pakistani domestic sides were not part of last year's inaugural Champions League, which featured top teams from the IPL, Australia, England, West Indies, South Africa, Sri Lanka and New Zealand. However, one Pakistani international, Yasir Arafat, did play as part of the Sussex side.

Jakhrani also said that while the IPL and Champions League were off-limits to Pakistan players, they would not boycott tours to India for international matches. "All of this has been designed to isolate us, that is what India wants. We will not be isolated. There is a World Cup in the subcontinent in 2011 to be played in India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. What if we make the final against India? We cannot quit, we will play. I think we should continue playing sports with each other," he said.

archan · Post by **archan** » 26 Jan 2010 05:14

pgbhat wrote:Afridi wants to 'forgive and forget' IPL snub
London: Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi says he is willing to forgive and forget the happenings of the Indian Premier League auction and if he is invited to play in India he would do so happily.

In a statement carried on Tuesday by cricket site pakpassion from London, Afridi said he was deeply hurt and angry the way the Pakistani players were treated at the auction, but he wants to treat the issue as closed.

"Over the last few days there has been intense media attention on the IPL auction in Pakistan and India. After my explanation, Inshallah, the matter will be closed.
How magnanimous of him.

This is what is called preparing to beg while keeping the facade of honor intact. Afridi knows who the daddy is, when it comes to cricket.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jan 2010 05:24

archan wrote: This is what is called preparing to beg while keeping the facade of honor intact. Afridi knows who the daddy is, when it comes to cricket.

Sure, but we don't know how many WKK and other bleeding heart elites from India called and sought his forgiveness. So he may have made this statement after interaction with those in India he calls his friends

.

Nothing is immutable in life except death & taxes. So with all the outpuring of sympathy for TSP in India and that too from unusual quarters: ex forreign seceratary Kanwal Sibal, B. Raman, Sidhu, PC; would it be surprising if the franchises were to re-instate Paki players? I mean is it outside the realm of possibility? I doubt it.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 26 Jan 2010 06:03

FMCT and strategic stability ---- Dr Maleeha Lodhi

Over the past decade Pakistan played an active diplomatic role in the FMCT process. Its position evolved in the context of shifts in the global disarmament agenda, but more substantively regional security developments. It agreed in the mid-nineties to join the negotiations when the US abandoned its efforts between 1990 and 1995 to press Pakistan to accept a unilateral cap on its nuclear programme.

Pakistan's present position on the negotiating process stems from the concern that, as currently envisaged, the proposed treaty could upset the strategic equilibrium in the region by limiting its deterrent capability at a time when India has been offered other means to escape a similar cap on the size of its nuclear arsenal.

Two developments, in particular, have changed Pakistan's threat perceptions, and they have a bearing on its position on the FMCT. The first is the Indo-US civilian nuclear agreement and the consequent NSG waiver that has allowed India to conclude agreements with countries, including Russia and France, to supply it with nuclear fuel. Given its ambition to acquire hundreds of nuclear warheads (400 is one estimated figure), India faced the dilemma of how to build this arsenal while meeting its civilian nuclear needs. This problem was resolved by its deal with the US.

Together with the NSG exemption, this places India in a position to increase its fissile material stocks qualitatively and quantitatively. It will be able to divert, if it wants to, most of its indigenous stocks to its weapons programme. It can even abrogate its international understandings in the future to redirect the externally supplied fuel meant for civilian purposes to nuclear weapons development.