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Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin has said Pakistan expects to get US $1.8 billion by June this year. “We are gradually and slowly receiving pledges and commitments from the Friends of Democratic Pakistan and by June 2010, we will get US $1.8 billion,” he said while addressing a press conference at the Ministry of Finance here on Monday.
The minister launched the National Savings Bonds (NSB) to promote public savings through debt market. Highlighting the coupon rates of the NSB, he said a three-year bond would get a profit of 12.5 per cent per annum, five year 12.55 per cent per annum and 10 year 12.6 per cent per annum.
And with official inflation running at 25% annually, that amounts to......?
anupmisra wrote: Is there anyone or entity out there the pakis have not pleaded to use their influence to "solve" the K issue?
The Pakis (a) are superstitious (b) have an exaggerated sense of entitlement
Like a Jinn that grants wishes, they think someone will give them Jammu and Kashmir. They really believe they deserve this and the decades of not having their wish granted does not diminish their faith in Jinn or sense of entitlement.
So it will be the US, the UN, the OIC, OPEC, Arab League, Japan, China... the list of potential Jinn is endless. One of these days they will approach Liberia or Burkino Faso to solve the "Kashmir Issue".
What every Pakistani needs to imbibe are three simple facts.
One, that this country was created so that the Muslims of the subcontinent could live their lives in an independent homeland with prosperity, dignity and freedom.
Second that the catalyst behind this demand was the realisation that Muslims and Hindus were two separate nations and that the former would be doomed, as a minority, to a life of subjugation and exploitation by the latter, if a separate state for them was not created.
Third, that non-Muslims, who chose to live in this new state, would enjoy complete security, total freedom of worship and equal rights.
The idea of Pakistan has put pressure on the people (and leaders) of India in the following ways:
1) It has allowed Pakistan to foment discontent among Muslims in India on the excuse that they are being discriminated against.
This has created a class of Indians (Hindus) who will attempt appeasement even when there is no injustice being done for fear of disturbances and a reputation of bigotry. It has created a class of Muslims who walk around with a grievance on their shoulders.
2) It has allowed Hindus to take the following attitude towards Muslims "If you don't like it here - you have your Pakistan to go to"
This attitude actually opens the door for discrimination.
Discrimination due to reason 2 feeds the class of people described in 1. The overly defensive Hindus of group 1 are called "pseudosecular" and those in group 2 are "Hindu fundamentalist"
This has led to political polarization in India and has allowed Pakistan's actions to interfere with Indian affairs, Indian politics and Indian viewpoints in ways that we Indians must learn to recognize. Apart from dealing with Pakistan, we need to deal with the effects of the idea of Pakistan on our own attitudes which is actually the biggest leverage Pakistan has on India.
One very important mechanism is in my view, to deal with Indian Muslims as separate from Pakistanis (who are Muslim of course). While treatment of Indian Muslims must be fair, they must also be held accountable to India. And we need to constantly reassess ourselves to ask if our treatment of Muslims and our calls for their accountability is not being colored or clouded by the Pakistan connection.
anupmisra wrote: Is there anyone or entity out there the pakis have not pleaded to use their influence to "solve" the K issue?
So it will be the US, the UN, the OIC, OPEC, Arab League, Japan, China... the list of potential Jinn is endless. One of these days they will approach Liberia or Burkino Faso to solve the "Kashmir Issue".
Be careful what you wish for and dont give them any idea that Paki may ask Santa for Kaashmir this Chritsmas!!
Of course, they have to convert first
Bachchan’s exultation is contained in his blog, which he wrote from his hotel room in Ahmedabad:
“Naked emotions, devoid of any hindrances presented and expressed as nature designed them for humans, or as many believe God the Almighty may have, have a release that remains unmatched in our recorded or unrecorded history. It somnambulates, drives us in an exhausted drain of energy to slumber. But it invigorates. Invigorates to carry function and obligation with some responsibility.”“My condition may have been similar, but obligation must never be ignored. An emotion of gratitude and consent by a dignitary that holds office, can become overwhelming. I find myself in such state. Mr Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of the state of Gujarat, in his hospitality and generous demeanour, has through process registered that our film Paa shall be granted tax exemption, the paper work provided falling into place.”
“He lives simply and with mere basic needs and most unlike the head of a state. He speaks with affection on development and progress. He is welcoming to fresh ideas and ideals. His oft repeated phrase of him being a CM, a common man, is not misunderstood. He does and acts as he speaks. He talks of raising the level of awareness for his state through tourism and I volunteer to participate in any activity that would help promote that. Did you know or were you aware that the largest number of heritage sites in the country are in Gujarat?
I believe that India could have hit hard at TSP in the aftermath of 26/11 and would have had enough international support for its actions. However, that would have stymied the efforts of TTP to undermine the Pakjabi elite. Although there are reports of apparent success in SWAT and other Tribal areas, there is also a considerable infiltration of TTP in other areas, especially rural and impoverished areas of Punjab.
Even the PA tried to project the TTP as a Pushtun exclusive entity in order to stop the rural Punjabi folks from joining the rank and file of TTP. However, that effort has failed and the extent of support that TTP enjoys in the rural areas of Punjab can be identified by the fact that all the spectacular hits like GHQ and Marriott had local Punjabi support.
TTP is no longer an Pushtun ethnic organization. Some strategic analysts have even called TTP as an organization fighting for a socio-economic cause. They say that SWAT was a success because local farmers picked arms to fight against the zamindars/ feudal lords. So TTP can be conceived as a Maoist/ Khmer Rouge movement with Islamic undertones. The people who loath TTP are the rich,western educated elite families belonging to PA or the upper echelons of the economic class. TSP, could end up as the Cambodia of seventies, although it remains to be seen whether Afghanistan meets a similar fate or not.
Uncle has always been a very potent player in TSP's affairs. If uncle had wished, it could have taken care of TTP in order to create some breathing space for the Pakjabi elite. The fact that TTP is still moving from strength to strength might create doubts about uncle's intentions. The fact is that uncle has made it personal w.r.t TSP and has stepped into the arena. India would be dragged in as a last bid by the Pakjabi elite.
Presence of IM's in India, while having a country of former IM's on the West & the East puts India at a disadvantage in contructing a vision & answer to the challenges thrown by TSP.
While it is obvious even to a kid that Pakistan was created because of Islam---in other words, if there was no Islam, there were to be no Pakistan. *ALL* contigous areas that *could* have been parcelled, were cut off. Kashmir was somewhat of an anamoly, probably a British miscalculation which worked in our favor. It is obvious to everyone that if more areas were contiguous with larger populations of IM's, they would have gone to Pakistan; conversely, if Hindu/Sikh population was larger in some Pakistani areas, they would have stayed within India. Islam *is* divider, it is the reason why certain areas stayed or went. But despite such obvious conclusions, we cannot say it because of our consideration for IM's and the resultant damage this would cuase to our unity if such thoughts were to be freely spoken aloud & debated.
Fast forward: Pakistan then morphed into TSP, and has let loose terror on India. Both in 2-4 wars, continous jhagra on Kashmir, Punjab. Nuclear threats and all that. To some (if not most) it is obvious that these threats are neither new, nor inspired by any new ideology. They are a continuation of the mellenium-old push of Islaam into India proper. Now they are being spearheaded by TSP, rather than Turks. But we cannot say this, nor can we fine tune our ideas and dileaneate the real from the unreal threats and open this topic for discussion in the real India (I am not talking of BRF only). The ideas that will come out might cause tremendous hurt among IM's and of course hurt Indian unity.
So the net result is that the fundamental issues that concern India are undebatable. Hence our responses are confused, lack coherence, and any long-term vision or clarity. They are based on whatever the current leader in India is able to do or think. The responses lack the cohesiveness of a Civilizanation thinking in locked steps. Due to the undebatableness (my word) of the issue, historical lessons cannot be drawn, nor historical means to deal with the issue brought out. Or if any lessons are drawn, they are drawn on the sly, not by public debate. We are unable to name the enemy, its motivations, its ideological motivations, its end-game scenarios. Unable to match the enemy in this way, we have no coherent united face. We just deal with tactical moves, not strategic long-term focus. This is a tremenous loss to India, wherein *ALL* the old historical lessons of dealing with the Islamic invasion and its eventual defeat have to be deliberately forgotten.
Of all the countries in the world, that should understand and know Islaam, Islamism, Islamic wars, Islamic methods/aims/tactics, Islamic end-game scenarious, it should be India, India & India. But India is the most confused country in dealing with a 1000 year old threat. Thousand hyears and we still don't have a solution to a problem. If we haven't solved it in 1000 years, how likely is it that we will solve this problem now?
Meanwhile our illustrous ex-countrymen to the West, have no such pangs of conscious or any exagerated self-restrains. Their debate need not take into account Hindu opinion, since there are practically no Hindus in TSP. Their debate is focussed, clear, and unfettered. Their ambitions and tactics and strategy has no self-imposed blindness. Only thing they lack---and we should thank our 33 crore Devtas for that----they lack the ability to accomplish anything. Were it not for the utterly corrupt and incapable people in TSP, they would have made mincemeat of India. Well, even with their unbeleivable cupidity, they have impudently slapped & humiliated a country 7 times its size. That is a compliment to them, if there is one that can be given.
The visa of Najmi Rizvi, who belongs to a royal family of Rawalpindi and had entered India via Wagah border on December 25, permitted her to visit Delhi, Chandigarh and Agra. But the Pakistani woman traveled to Jaipur and stayed at the Jai Mahal Palace hotel with Punjab Congress MLA Rana Gurmit Singh Sodhi and his family members from December 29 to January 2 and also did shopping.
The police and intelligence agencies in Rajasthan came to know about Rizvi's presence in the city when the hotel management reported that she had stayed without proper documents. Rajasthan government has suggested to the Union Home Ministry to blacklist the Pakistani woman for her future travel to India. Rizvi was issued visa from December 24, 2009 to March 23, 2010. While her passport number is AC9896672, her visa number is P918289.
According to sources, Sodhi reportedly concealed her identity and projected her as one of his family members when he checked into the hotel at 5.30 pm on December 29. The matter came to the fore after Rizvi mistakenly revealed her identity to a hotel staff on December 31 evening when she inquired from a floor manager as to where from she will get good handicrafts which she can take to Pakistan.
“Besides shredding the fabric of morality, Congress leaders are wittingly or unwittingly playing into the hand of anti-India forces, including the ISI. Who knows what designs these Pakistani guests of Congress leaders have in mind in frequenting India? Are not these Congress leaders playing with the security and integrity of the country in the name of personal friendships?" These are some of the issues that Akalis and BJP leaders threaten to rake up in the coming days.
Rana Sodhi, however, denies all allegations saying the Pakistani woman had “unknowingly come to Jaipur thinking that her Indian visa was valid for the whole country.” She returned to Delhi immediately after hotel staff informed her next day that she had no visa for Rajasthan. “I cannot be held responsible for her ignorance or her actions,” said Rana Sodhi.
Surinder - with respect there are so many "debatable" points in your argument that it would only lead to a rehash of a whole lot of discussions we have had. I believe you are yet again promoting Islam as a fearsome and enviable idol on a pedestal making it out to be a millennia old unchanging and relentlessly conquering force that is still winning and using that image of Islam that you have created to say that it needs to be fought. If Islam is not all that you say it is, it does not require the solutions you ask for.
The argument that if there was no Islam there would be no Pakistan is easily countered by a similar equal equal - if there were no Hindus there would be no India. If there was no white man there would be no US of A
This is very much a popcorn and chai-biskoot read. It requires some serious counting.
Because the Paki beggars have some serious demands, which are some serious in number.
This Paki "Brig" is laying out what all it would take for the Pakis to finally love Amrika.
It is a long list (do count 'em; I am countin' 9):
PAKISTAN: THE ONLY ALLY AMERICA CAN TRUST
By Brig Asif Haroon Raja
Anti-Americanism in Pakistan too has peaked because of biased and discriminatory policies pursued by Washington. Latest provocative step is the new discriminatory law framed to screen visiting Pakistanis on American ports while excusing India.
The US can upturn its image in Pakistan if it stops drone attacks in FATA (1) and provide civilian nuclear deal to Pakistan similar to the one provided to India.(2) It can boost its image if it forcefully forbids India to carryout covert operations against Pakistan using Afghan soil (3) and restrains it from stealing Pakistan water.(4) Other steps that can help build trust and confidence are construction of hydel power projects (5) and provision of greater access to US (6) and EU markets (7) for Pakistani products. Pakistanis will become pro-America and be a willing partner to safeguard US interests from a position of respect and honour if the US helps Pakistan in easing the debt burden (8) and plays a pro-active role to solve longstanding Kashmir (9) dispute in accordance with the wishes of Kashmiris and UN Resolutions. These two acts would go a long way in dispelling misgivings and mistrust harboured by people of Pakistan and in building mutually sustaining and durable strategic partnership premised on mutual interests, mutual respect and mutual trust.
ShivJi,
The comparison is not fair. We cant compare Mangoes and Torris. Paki problem is religion specific and Paki too claim so. IMHO Surinder is asking for solving Paki problem regardless of supposed hurt sentiment of some of our own . Added benefit will be better national integration , real secularism and faster path to economic development without distraction/s.
The visa of Najmi Rizvi, who belongs to a royal family of Rawalpindi and had entered India via Wagah border on December 25, permitted her to visit Delhi, Chandigarh and Agra. But the Pakistani woman traveled to Jaipur and stayed at the Jai Mahal Palace hotel with Punjab Congress MLA Rana Gurmit Singh Sodhi and his family members from December 29 to January 2 and also did shopping. {Snipped} .....................
According to sources, Sodhi reportedly concealed her identity and projected her as one of his family members when he checked into the hotel at 5.30 pm on December 29. The matter came to the fore after Rizvi mistakenly revealed her identity to a hotel staff on December 31 evening when she inquired from a floor manager as to where from she will get good handicrafts which she can take to Pakistan. {Snipped} .....................
Apparently the Pakistani woman Najmi Rizvi arrived in India accompanied by General Rani’s daughter, journalist Aroosa Alam who has been connected with yet another Congress Party leader, former Punjab Chief Minister Capt. Amarinder Singh.
Congress party politicians from Punjab it would seem like consorting with Pakistani women:
"Trust in me" says Pak,rather like the serpent "Ka" in the Jungle Book! If the US continues to trust in Pak,where we are told the undetectable IEDs made of wood are being mass-manufactured and double and triple agents are responsible for leading US agents into death traps,the fall of both Pak and Afghanistan to the ungodly is inevitable,becuase the "ungodly" are the de-facto rulers of Pak,the military and ISI who are suppprting secretly AlQ and the Taliban.Defang these two institutions and Pak and the globe will be a better place.
"Rather than an Islamist takeover, you should look at a subtle power shift from a secular pro-Western society to an Islamist anti-American one," said Jonathan Paris, who produced the report for the Legatum Institute, a London-based think tank.
"US and UK leverage over Pakistan is not growing. It is decreasing. Pakistani society is moving toward anti-Americanism and toward more sharia law," he says.
The rising influence of Islamist political parties and of militant groups in its Punjab province will slowly transform Pakistan by exploiting local grievances, including over the economy and the slow and often corrupt legal system.
"The danger for the army, and for Pakistan generally, is not Talibanisation but Islamisation from Punjab-based militants and their allies," the report says.
"The religious parties have generally been opposed to any police or military action taken against any group which is nominally religious..." the report says.
Paris, whose research background was originally in the Middle East, also said he saw a risk of militant organisations fragmenting into smaller and sometimes more extreme splinter groups -- a pattern already seen among Palestinian groups.
This would make them harder to control and raise the risk of militants launching attacks not ordered by their leaders.
At the same time, Islamist organisations were expanding operations in welfare and education, making it politically difficult for the state to close them down.
Pakistan saw 3,021 deaths in terrorist attacks in in 2009, up 48% on the year before, according to a new report by the Pakistan Institute for Peace Studies (PIPS), an Islamabad-based defence thinktank.
Anujan wrote:..Forget a coup by IA, everybody still agrees that a decision to go to war and a decision to deploy forces still rests with MOD. Then why this pants browning because Gen Kapoor said something in some remote corner of India in some random army conference ? This was not even during an exercise ! That just betrays the fact that so far, pakis have been relying on a soft political leadership to not give them a slap across the face. They know our capabilities well - an assertive IA, which clearly lays out the options, is causing a massive browning of pants.
All the talking heads are missing one critical point. India is simply raising the cost of spectacular terror attacks -- If cold start is diligently followed, Pak army needs to be readied before any terror attack. Cold start in that sense is just deterrence. Pak can be assured that their security in this context, is completely determined by their (good) behavior. Nobody is ready to discuss that.
IMHO, this sounds like the most logical reason for Puki's sudden constipation. So, parsing Gen Kapoor's statements and BRF analysis:
a) India would fight a 3-day war to brutally punish PA and degrade the infrastructure etc. This is supposed to be below Puki threshold for lobbing a N-bomb.
b) There probably won't be a land grab or reclamation I personally, would have wished to see the PoK back in Indian fold in the next war and Puki- PRC land connection severed.
c) As part of (1), PN and PAF would also be decimated/ severely damaged. '71 redux, both Karachi & Gwadar should be decimated.
Well, this would still breach Puki's known N-threshold. But wth, as long as Pukis know it would be a one-way ticket to hell!!!
ONE important component of the developing global structure is the evolving relationship among four countries: China, India, Pakistan and the US. Three of these countries are in Asia, the fourth is still the only superpower in the global economic and political systems.
Applying this to international relations, the question arises as to how this goal can be achieved. One way of doing this would be to get the four countries involved to sit around the table — a G4 arrangement — to work out how they can move forward so that none is hurt but all benefit. Given the centrality of some of the concerns that surround this group of countries, a working relationship between them will bring large dividends to the rest of the world as well.
All the talking heads are missing one critical point. India is simply raising the cost of spectacular terror attacks
That is absolutly bang-on
Thier Armed forces are one of the few sources of Pride for them , this is quite evident on a visit to Islamabad or Rawalpindi where rather pronounced models of Jets and Tanks have been put up for beautification sake. Pukes always believed that they military was capable of delivering a sound response to India if need be , the myth was somewhat busted in 1971 and Kargil but still remains in the heart of poor abduls (read 90% of populace)
The fact that India makes statements like "96 hr. rapid thrust into Rawalpindi" instead of "We will respond adequatly to provocation" is a source of great Khujli to TSP , it brings into perspective the widening gap between India and Pak.
The faster we develop and the more intimidating the statements become , the better it is for us. For , since 1947 till now the only language they understand is that of Force. Offer them peace and they'll throw it back in your face while seeing it as a sign of weakness.
Sorry if posted earlier,but if the report is true then the US/CIA should take out the key Paki/ISI military men in retaliation and seizing Pak's nukes would be kosher!
AP In this image taken from undated video made available from Taliban sources purpotedly shows Humam Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi, right, reading a statement to camera vowing revenge for the death of Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud, while sitting next to the new leader of the Pakistani Taliban, Hakimullah Mehsud. Jordanian doctor Humam Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi, is identified by news organizations to be the man who killed seven CIA employees in a suicide attack in Afghanistan on December 30. The authenticity of this video is unconfirmed.
The suicide strike on the key U.S. intelligence base in Afghanistan had hallmarks of an operation carried out by a national intelligence service, a leading U.S. think-tank has said, apparently hinting that it could be the handiwork of Pakistan’s ISI or its rogue elements.
“The hit was by all account a masterful piece of trade craft beyond the known abilities of a group like Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan,” U.S. think-tank Stratfors said.
“The Jordanians penetration of the CIA was less like the product of an insurgency than an operation carried out by a national intelligence service. And this is the most troubling aspect for the U.S.,” the think tank said.
The speculation about a possible ISI hand in the suicide attack is being traced back to U.S. and Afghan government sources who said in the analysis of explosives used, it was found they were of standard military grade which points to the ISI.
Stratfors deduction comes even as al-Jazeera TV said the Jordanian bomber Khali Abu Mulal al-Balawi was brought to the U.S. base in Khost in eastern Afghanistan by car from across the border in Pakistan.
The agency which was one of the TV channels which beamed a footage of al-Balawi alongside Pakistan Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud said the video showed “there was clearly a link between Pakistani Taliban headed by Hakimullah Mehsud and some of the al-Qaeda elements operating in Pakistan.
The Arab TV channel said, this video was expected and “everybody in the tribal border areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan was told al-Balawi had recored a message before he went to his mission to blow the American Chapman base.” The channel said that the video would provide the Afghan government “more ammunition” with which to criticise their counterparts in Pakistan. “This is definitely something that is going to put more pressure on the Pakistanis in the future and will definitely make the Afghans and the Americans change their strategy as far as dealing with eastern Afghanistan.”
Stratfors, in an in depth analysis of the hit on the CIA base, said as the Jordanian bomber exited the vehicle on December 30, the security guards at the Chapman base noticed he was behaving strangely. As the guards moved towards al-Balawi screaming for him to take his hands out of his pocket, the Jordanian instead of complying detonated the suicide device he was wearing.
The explosion, Stratfors said killed the bomber, three security contractors, four CIA officers and the Jordanian intelligence official who was his handler. But the vehicle shielded other CIA officers at the scene from the blast. The CIA officers killed included the chief of base at Khost and an analyst, who was the agency’s foremost expert on al-Qaeda.
“The U.S. cannot hope to reach a satisfactory solution in Afghanistan unless it can win the intelligence war. But the damage done to CIA in this attack cannot be overestimated. At least one of the agency’s top analysts was killed. In an intelligence war, this is equivalent to a sinking of an aircraft carrier in a naval war,” Stratfors said.
Actually I am thrilled that the CIA attack has a Pakistani signature. May the tribe of that bomber increase. I have always believed that the CIA and ISI have been buddies and there are still strong links - with the ISI hiding info that could embarrass the CIA in front of a whole host of nations including India and Russia. The cold war friendship between the US and Pakistan run really really deep. So deep that US Presidents have found it either unnecessary, unwise or even impossible to blame or indict Pakistan.
One of the most recent and shocking (to us) links between the CIA and Pakistan must surely be the Kandahar airlift.
Long ago, I had said that Pakistan will get defeated when the US goes down because the US wil support Pakistan till the end. The only thing that could change that is radical Islam, and a hatred for the US that causes Pakis to double cross.
Pakistan demands compensation for shifted Davis Cup ties
"We have filed a claim for a total compensation of around $100,000 for the three Davis Cup ties against Oman, the Philippines and Hong Kong that have been moved from Pakistan since last year," PTF President Dilawar Abbas said on Tuesday. The ITF shifted the ties to venues in those three countries after security concerns expressed by Pakistan's opponents over the scheduling of their matches in Lahore and Islamabad.
ITF argued that Pakistan was given a share of the money from international sponsorship of the ties and due to the security situation no country would play in Pakistan.
Pooki feelings are hurt and it will cost $100G to assuage their broken dreams.
Actually I am thrilled that the CIA attack has a Pakistani signature. May the tribe of that bomber increase. I have always believed that the CIA and ISI have been buddies and there are still strong links - with the ISI hiding info that could embarrass the CIA in front of a whole host of nations including India and Russia. The cold war friendship between the US and Pakistan run really really deep. So deep that US Presidents have found it either unnecessary, unwise or even impossible to blame or indict Pakistan.
One of the most recent and shocking (to us) links between the CIA and Pakistan must surely be the Kandahar airlift.
Long ago, I had said that Pakistan will get defeated when the US goes down because the US wil support Pakistan till the end. The only thing that could change that is radical Islam, and a hatred for the US that causes Pakis to double cross.
The US of course must reap what it sowed.
Truer words not uttered.The Anglo-Saxons should reap the fruits,Inshallah.
If this is true, CIA is not going to keep quiet it will celebrate several IED Mubaraks keeping the 72's busy for weeks to come...which would lead to further attacks on American targets..which would ....get the drift..Pakbarian animalistan is screwed...we need to give a s.it on what happens to Uncle..
All the talking heads are missing one critical point. India is simply raising the cost of spectacular terror attacks
Where is the evidence for this? I am not so sure. TSP is waiting on cashing the Mumbai cheque and see how much they can extract from MMS/Sonia with all this track-2 & aman ki tamasha nonsense before unleashing another crisis. Just look at how brazenly they demonstrated their cold-bloodedness at Lal Chowk recently. And of course, US IMO is the remote control. It has told TSP to give the LeT boys some rest, while it works with MMS on living up to his end of the deal: give something to TSP. Just look at India's climbdown. From insisting that LeT scum be handed over to India, to LeT must be tried, and now India's meek demand is TSP show some 'seriousness' of bringing a few LeT pigs to justice (Shashi Tharoor's recent statement). So there is some horse trading going on behind the scenes. The heniousness of 26/11 has all but evaporated.
Canadian agencies paid millions of dollars to a Muslim agent to unravel an al-Qaeda terror plot four years ago. Most plotters were of Pakistani origin and came from the Toronto suburb of Mississauga which has the biggest concentration of Muslims in the country.
Known as the Toronto-18 terror plot, the case was uncovered in June 2006 with the arrest of 18 Toronto-area Muslims who wanted to storm the Canadian parliament, and take Prime Minister Stephen Harper and others hostage and behead him. The plotters had also planned to blow up the Toronto Stock Exchange and offices of the Canadian spy agency.
To carry out the plot, they had undergone training in firearms at a rural camp in December 2005. The ringleader of the plot, Zakaria Amara, who had planned to run to Pakistan after carrying out the plot, was convicted last October. The plot was uncovered thanks to a local Muslim youth Shaher Elsohemy who got $4.1million from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) to act as a co-conspirator.
Four of the plotters have been convicted so far.
Testifying Monday in the trial of another accused Shareef Abdelhaleem, the paid agent said the accused was asked to acquire chemicals by their ringleader at a meeting on April 8, 2006. The huge amount money paid to Elsohemy by the Canadian police to act as their agent is likely to be raised in court, said defence lawyer William Naylor.
"A $4.1-million pay-off for this is pretty steep...It's unprecedented in Canada as far as I understand,'' he said, hinting that the mole might have misguided police for the sole purpose of making money.
But the $4.1 million paid to the Muslim mole compares nothing to $150 million wasted on the Air India trial which ended in no-guilty verdict.
"Rather than an Islamist takeover, you should look at a subtle power shift from a secular pro-Western society to an Islamist anti-American one," said Jonathan Paris, who produced the report for the Legatum Institute, a London-based think tank.
From India's PoV, if this happens, its actually good. Because otherwise we know that "secular pro-Western" means TSP RAPE who have a rabid hatred of India/Hindus and would like to re-live their Mughal dreams. And since they are "secular pro-Western", they have the support of 3.5 friends in all their machinations against India.
shiv wrote:Long ago, I had said that Pakistan will get defeated when the US goes down because the US wil support Pakistan till the end. The only thing that could change that is radical Islam, and a hatred for the US that causes Pakis to double cross.
The US of course must reap what it sowed.
Good post, shiv. The US will reap the whirlwind, no doubt. They are still not getting it and they won't until the Pakistanis show them their truest colour, which day may not be far away.
However, I am doubtful if the Pakistanis will go down along with their masters. They may still be left with 2½ friends after the US meets its Eagle Trap in Af-Pak. The Chinese are already stepping up their support and will fill the vacuum.
Canadian agencies paid millions of dollars to a Muslim agent to unravel an al-Qaeda terror plot four years ago. Most plotters were of Pakistani origin and came from the Toronto suburb of Mississauga which has the biggest concentration of Muslims in the country.
Known as the Toronto-18 terror plot, the case was uncovered in June 2006 with the arrest of 18 Toronto-area Muslims who wanted to storm the Canadian parliament, and take Prime Minister Stephen Harper and others hostage and behead him. The plotters had also planned to blow up the Toronto Stock Exchange and offices of the Canadian spy agency.
"A $4.1-million pay-off for this is pretty steep...It's unprecedented in Canada as far as I understand,'' he said, hinting that the mole might have misguided police for the sole purpose of making money.
But the $4.1 million paid to the Muslim mole compares nothing to $150 million wasted on the Air India trial which ended in no-guilty verdict.
Interesting to note that the money involved and strategy applied. We need to think in these lines too.
After a series of rocket attacks in Punjab, the Border Security Force has warned that future incidents of hostile fire could invite calibre-for-calibre retaliation across the India-Pakistan border.
Another warning. This time, a calibre-for-calibre return of fire !
Pakistan’s border police, the Rangers, claimed the attack was carried out by non-state actors over whom they had no control,{Fantastic and that seals the case. Period} government sources told The Hindu. However, the sources said, the BSF responded that it was the Rangers’ responsibility to prevent hostile actions — and India would be left with no option but to retaliate if it failed to do so.
If there are so many non-state actors on whom the Pakistani state has no control then they have no sovereignty. Why the outcry on the drone attacks then? you cannot preserve what you don't have.
IOW the pakistanis are demanding they be made unofficially the 52nd state of the US.
I mean what other inference can one derive from this litany of requests, which have at various time been articulated by everyone from the President to the PM to the COAS / Dictator to the chaprasis of pakistan.
From India's PoV, if this happens, its actually good. Because otherwise we know that "secular pro-Western" means TSP RAPE who have a rabid hatred of India/Hindus and would like to re-live their Mughal dreams. And since they are "secular pro-Western", they have the support of 3.5 friends in all their machinations against India.
Pakistan has habitually bared its Islamic fangs at India while showing a sexy come hither face to the US. This is akin to teacher's favorite boy making faces at someone else while teacher isn't looking. With India being the kafir/pagan nation that it is - having acquired the reputation from worthies like Churchill, nobody even wanted to believe how nasty those bared Islamic fangs were.
I for one am supremely happy if the US gets a taste. It make no difference to us and is no skin off our noses - we have known and experienced this for decades. Ho Hum.
Let Ombaba pump another 10 billion more into Pakistan. After all that is what Bush pumped in, and other governments before that. Let them feel the love. Warm garlicky breath from a hairy jihadi face to cheer up a cold cold winter. The US has earned it.
wrt the latest special screening for pakistanis at US airports their maximum takleef is wrt Indians not being searched (Does a Air India flight arrive around the same time as a PIA flight in massa land? Wouldn't it be cool to see the yindoo kufaar breeze through security and the believers being strip searched)
But India and Indians need watch out. There is some "Indian Mujaheddin" stuff that is sure to be planned and executed by the pakis. If everyone remembers even 26/11 was sought to be pinned on "Deccan Mujaheddin"
"Rather than an Islamist takeover, you should look at a subtle power shift from a secular pro-Western society to an Islamist anti-American one," said Jonathan Paris, who produced the report for the Legatum Institute, a London-based think tank.
This strikes me as a phenomenally stupid statement - like saying "Yes there was a heist in which $10 million worth of gems were stolen, but rather than calling this an armed robbery with murder one should be looking at an incident of entry of unknown persons into the vault with the synchronous coincidental death of a guard from bullet injuries and the transposition of over $10,000 worth of gems to an unspecified place"
I thought that Baitullah Mehsud was anti-pak Taliban and pakistani military wanted him dead. US simply obliged. is it possible that Baitullah Mehsud was US man retaliating against Pak for meddling in Afghanistan. US cut a deal with pakistan and killed him. Baitullah Mehsud men conducted suicide bombing against their former masters??
Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin has said Pakistan expects to get US $1.8 billion by June this year. “We are gradually and slowly receiving pledges and commitments from the Friends of Democratic Pakistan and by June 2010, we will get US $1.8 billion,” he said while addressing a press conference at the Ministry of Finance here on Monday.
The minister launched the National Savings Bonds (NSB) to promote public savings through debt market. Highlighting the coupon rates of the NSB, he said a three-year bond would get a profit of 12.5 per cent per annum, five year 12.55 per cent per annum and 10 year 12.6 per cent per annum.
And with official inflation running at 25% annually, that amounts to......?
I wouldn't go so far as to say that begging and grovelling works all that well yet. Note that it is the Paki Finance Minister that says that Pakland expects to get $1.8 billion by June. They also expect to walk into the Red Fort, have J&K handed to them, remove Pakis from extra security checks in international flights etc. Doesn't mean things always happen the way they expect.
Until the Friends of Pak actually hand over the check, there is no guarantee they are going to get diddly.
Is there anyone or entity out there the pakis have not pleaded to use their influence to "solve" the K issue?
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I personally, would have wished to see the PoK back in Indian fold in the next war and Puki- PRC land connection severed.