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'Ireland was just one big pyramid scheme' "A sticking plaster over the open wound in the eurozone", was the judgment from Ireland's finance workers as their Government revealed a €15bn (£12.7bn) package of cuts. Much of the four-year plan – or the "IMF/EU directive, they signed it off", in the words of one Dublin trader – had been leaked ahead of Wednesday's announcement.

As expected, the income tax base was widened, the minimum wage was cut €1 to €7.65 and Ireland's much-vaunted corporation tax rate stayed at 12.5pc.

Dealers in Dublin were combing through the 140-page plan for nuances that could affect their positions, but saw no major surprises – or cause for cheer.
Firms were, not surprisingly, less than keen to welcome in a curious journalist to record how their traders and brokers reacted to the deep fiscal retrenchment. (Perhaps justifiably – "I'd like to see social welfare cut 25pc," opined one trader.)
However, many voters fail to realise Ireland no longer has control of its own economy and believe that if a new government comes in it can delay the cuts, financial workers said.

"The reality is that the government is not running the economy," said one trader. "The budget will go through irrespective of what party is in power."

But while the austerity package may have held few unknowns for Dublin's financiers, one question is still puzzling them: Where did all the money go?

"We don't know where the money went," added the trader, half in jest, but half in earnest. "We've been debating it all morning. Cars, flat-screen TVs, Bulgarian properties? Everyone round here used to have a Mercedes. The whole country was a pyramid scheme
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vina wrote: Ah, Dear Shri Shri Rahul Mehta Maharaj Ji : On the contrary, much of Wall St was wiped out in the 1929 crash and many many many bankers simply leapt out of the windows of their highrises in Manhattan and did soo-side. :roll:
That at least was the honourable thing to do. But today they will get the money from the poor suckers down the line and it will be business as usual.
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Recently there was this article about China gunning for speculators.
Albert Edwards, the prescient strategist at Societe Generale, draws a line between Fed policy and rising food prices in China, as well as the related risk of hunger in China and elsewhere in Asia.
“One consequence of the Fed trashing the dollar is that commodity prices have been surging,” Edwards wrote in a note to clients.
“The surge in China’s inflation rate to 4.4 percent in October was primarily driven by rapid food price inflation and its high weighting in its CPI. This rapid inflation, if it feeds through to wages, will force a more rapid rise in the yuan real exchange rate, despite the nominal exchange rate remaining essentially fixed.”
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This scares China, and with good reason. The Chinese unrest which culminated in the bloody crackdown in Tiananmen Square in 1989 was driven partly by a 28 percent jump in inflation. (Emphasis is mine and not of the authors.)
There is an very nice chinese ancedote related to this. Once a Chinese emperor went on a military mission against some neighboring king. Since the neighboring king's capital city was far away and well fortified, the emperor failed in a quick campaign. However he did succeed in laying a siege around the kings capital. As the siege dragged on the emperors supply lines were strectched to a breaking point.
The soldiers of the Chinese emperor started facing starvation. The general responsible for supplies came to the emperor and said, "Your highness, we are running short of food supplies, we should withdraw." The emperor responded "Ration whatever is there.". After a week the general again approached the emperor, "Your highness, we running dangerously short of food supplies. We wont last for more than few days." The emperor said, "Give the able bodied food, but restrict the supply to the rest".
After a week, unrest spread among the soldiers of the Chinese emperordue to lack of food and there was open talk of revolt and incompetence.
The emperor called the general and said, "I will have to borrow something of yours to assuage the troops, I hope you don't mind." The general was puzzled and asked, "But your highness what?" "Your HEAD" replied the Chinese emperor.
Before the general could react the Chinese Emperors body guards caught hold of the general, took him out and beheaded him. The generals head was put on a spike for all to see and the Chinese emperor declared, "It was because of this general that you were starving. He was stealing material and money."
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^^^ great story.
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Banksters Economy vs Mathematically Perfected Economy

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its a joke how academics and bernanke types continue on their course of the defending the status quo and baffeling the public with speeches about tighening this and loosening that. The good news is fewer and fewer people are falling for it.

I also notice the entire money printing crowd that was previously arguing with me earlier here on BR are singing a different tune now. I'd like to take full credit for having knocked some sense into them. But I know its only because they see their own theories about to go up in smokes and have jumped ship on it. My prediciton is as the end of the fiat-fraud system gets closer, even bernanke himself will jump ship on his own theories.
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Regarding the Fed and the interest in excess reserves:


It is a back-channel way of strengthening the banks balance sheets.

The banks can not lend a lot since risk appetite is low, and they are unwilling to lend to anyone but the blue-chip. They do not need to too since the public has a big appetite for all kind of debt right now including junk bonds.

So the excess reserves were likely to be there in any case. However, with the Fed is paying interest, the banks are earning something for doing nothing.

Almost all the Fed's actions are designed to save the banks. Whether it is asset-price inflation or a weaker dollar via QE2, the Fed's primary focus is to preserve the nominal value of assets; the key to preserving the banks.
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Neshant wrote:its a joke how academics and bernanke types continue on their course of the defending the status quo and baffeling the public with speeches about tighening this and loosening that. The good news is fewer and fewer people are falling for it.

I also notice the entire money printing crowd that was previously arguing with me earlier here on BR are singing a different tune now. I'd like to take full credit for having knocked some sense into them. But I know its only because they see their own theories about to go up in smokes and have jumped ship on it. My prediciton is as the end of the fiat-fraud system gets closer, even bernanke himself will jump ship on his own theories.
Weren't you supposed to pull up old posts?
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This thing about Fed paying interest to Banks makes no sense.

From the speech of Ben, Fed's Chairman
The Fed's power to pay interest on banks' reserves held at the Federal Reserve will allow it to manage short-term interest rates effectively and thus to tighten policy when needed, even if bank reserves remain high. (Emphasis is mine and not the authors) Moreover, the Fed has invested considerable effort in developing tools that will allow it to drain or immobilize bank reserves as needed to facilitate the smooth withdrawal of policy accommodation when conditions warrant. If necessary, the Committee could also tighten policy by redeeming or selling securities.
What Ben, the Fed Chairman, is saying that when the time comes to withdraw the stimulus, i.e. QE & QE-II, this capability of Fed to pay interest on Banks deposit and to buy securities, will help it to achieve the objective. But here is the thing, even with soo much of liquidity, even if QE-II is not considered and Interest Rate close to zero is not factored in, Banks have not been lending. Infact some have commented that banks have been hoarding cash.
If Fed does stop paying the interest or reduces it to below the level of inflation, then Banks would have to deploy these reserves somewhere. After all a bank cannot sit on so much cash indefinitely. It is possible that banks might chase commodities or emerging markets or foreign countries bonds. But they will have to deploy the money. If they dont, then even with 1% inflation, the value of the cash/money will erode with time.

Add to this Fed's action of lowering long term interest rates, via QE-II, will not work unless and until US Government encourages spending or comes out with a stimulus. With the sky high budget deficit and republican opposition the second option is unlikely to happen. But if it does not happen, then Fed would be infact firing a blank bullet, by lowering long term interest rates. This is also alluded to in his speech.
Monetary policy is working in support of both economic recovery and price stability, but there are limits to what can be achieved by the central bank alone. (Again emphasis is mine and not the authors) The Federal Reserve is nonpartisan and does not make recommendations regarding specific tax and spending programs. However, in general terms, a fiscal program that combines near-term measures to enhance growth with strong, confidence-inducing steps to reduce longer-term structural deficits would be an important complement to the policies of the Federal Reserve.
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regardless of what tightning or loosening bernanke is doing, banking crooks will definately be doing this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiRFEOUh-2Q
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Pranav wrote:
vina wrote:
Ah, Dear Shri Shri Rahul Mehta Maharaj Ji : On the contrary, much of Wall St was wiped out in the 1929 crash and many many many bankers simply leapt out of the windows of their highrises in Manhattan and did soo-side. :roll:
In 1929, not all bankers were connected with the syndicate. The crash was caused by the bankers that own the Fed, and they took care of their own.
Re 1929 depression - interview of Milton Friedman
INTERVIEWER: You've written that what really caused the Depression was mistakes by the government. Looking back now, what in your view was the actual cause?

MILTON FRIEDMAN: ... what happened is that [the Federal Reserve] followed policies which led to a decline in the quantity of money by a third. For every $100 in paper money, in deposits, in cash, in currency, in existence in 1929, by the time you got to 1933 there was only about $65, $66 left. And that extraordinary collapse in the banking system, with about a third of the banks failing from beginning to end, with millions of people having their savings essentially washed out, that decline was utterly unnecessary. At all times, the Federal Reserve had the power and the knowledge to have stopped that. And there were people at the time who were all the time urging them to do that.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheigh ... edman.html
Nobody from the Kuhn, Loeb, Warburg, Schiff, Rockefeller, Rothschild or Morgan families ever threw themselves out of a window.
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Pranav wrote:...Nobody from the Kuhn, Loeb, Warburg, Schiff, Rockefeller, Rothschild or Morgan families ever threw themselves out of a window.
Aren't these the same families that comprised the 19th century "robber barons," or are there a few new extras in this list of banksters.
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This is old trick. This leaves Main Streets dry and enables Wall Street mafia to buy Main Street plots, goods, services etc for pittance. In 1929, depression occurred because Fed suddenly stopped giving loans and so Main Street started selling everything for pittance. So Bankers grew asset rich overnight
vina wrote: Ah, Dear Shri Shri Rahul Mehta Maharaj Ji : On the contrary, much of Wall St was wiped out in the 1929 crash and many many many bankers simply leapt out of the windows of their highrises in Manhattan and did soo-side. :roll:
Small bankers did die. But large bankers, like JP Morgan, became much asset-wealthier, as they had loads of cash and prices of everything fell. Just as today --- prices of real estates, shares are falling in many places but bankers have loads of cash and are buying one after another physical asset, companies.
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Am no krugman fan but IMHO this piece merits wider dissemination.

Eating the Irish

First the problem:
The Irish story began with a genuine economic miracle. But eventually this gave way to a speculative frenzy driven by runaway banks and real estate developers, all in a cozy relationship with leading politicians. The frenzy was financed with huge borrowing on the part of Irish banks, largely from banks in other European nations.

Then the bubble burst, and those banks faced huge losses. You might have expected those who lent money to the banks to share in the losses. After all, they were consenting adults, and if they failed to understand the risks they were taking that was nobody’s fault but their own. But, no, the Irish government stepped in to guarantee the banks’ debt, turning private losses into public obligations.

Before the bank bust, Ireland had little public debt. But with taxpayers suddenly on the hook for gigantic bank losses, even as revenues plunged, the nation’s creditworthiness was put in doubt. So Ireland tried to reassure the markets with a harsh program of spending cuts.

Step back for a minute and think about that. These debts were incurred, not to pay for public programs, but by private wheeler-dealers seeking nothing but their own profit. Yet ordinary Irish citizens are now bearing the burden of those debts.

Or to be more accurate, they’re bearing a burden much larger than the debt — because those spending cuts have caused a severe recession so that in addition to taking on the banks’ debts, the Irish are suffering from plunging incomes and high unemployment.
Very well put indeed. The int'l banking cartel is itself a vampire squid. Sucking lifeblood outta honest economies and ordinary folks all over the globe. The true test of a gubmint is its defense of the interests of its people over that of foreign creditors. Doing bankster biddin' is betrayal of highest order only. And for what, end of the day?
But there is no alternative, say the serious people: all of this is necessary to restore confidence.

Strange to say, however, confidence is not improving. On the contrary: investors have noticed that all those austerity measures are depressing the Irish economy — and are fleeing Irish debt because of that economic weakness.

Now what? Last weekend Ireland and its neighbors put together what has been widely described as a “bailout.” But what really happened was that the Irish government promised to impose even more pain, in return for a credit line — a credit line that would presumably give Ireland more time to, um, restore confidence. Markets, understandably, were not impressed: interest rates on Irish bonds have risen even further.

Does it really have to be this way?
Ireland should do what Iceland and before that Argentina had done. Starve the beast by defaulting on its food demands. Sure, it'll be bleak for a while, but ride it out. Your people will be healthier, freer and happier for it, net net.
But at this point Iceland seems, if anything, to be doing better than its near-namesake. Its economic slump was no deeper than Ireland’s, its job losses were less severe and it seems better positioned for recovery. In fact, investors now appear to consider Iceland’s debt safer than Ireland’s. How is that possible?

Part of the answer is that Iceland let foreign lenders to its runaway banks pay the price of their poor judgment, rather than putting its own taxpayers on the line to guarantee bad private debts. As the International Monetary Fund notes — approvingly! — “private sector bankruptcies have led to a marked decline in external debt.” Meanwhile, Iceland helped avoid a financial panic in part by imposing temporary capital controls — that is, by limiting the ability of residents to pull funds out of the country.

And Iceland has also benefited from the fact that, unlike Ireland, it still has its own currency; devaluation of the krona, which has made Iceland’s exports more competitive, has been an important factor in limiting the depth of Iceland’s slump.

None of these heterodox options are available to Ireland, say the wise heads. Ireland, they say, must continue to inflict pain on its citizens — because to do anything else would fatally undermine confidence.

But Ireland is now in its third year of austerity, and confidence just keeps draining away. And you have to wonder what it will take for serious people to realize that punishing the populace for the bankers’ sins is worse than a crime; it’s a mistake.
Sad but true. Commoners of the world unite!
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More on why Ireland is so hot hot only....

Shadow banks (FT)
Ireland looms surprisingly large as a node in this globalisation process. For example — here’s a chart Monk points out that underlines Ireland’s share of the $25,500bn global funds industry:
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Wow, eh?
Not bad for a very small economy. Not good for financial contagion.

That’s because the IMF paper really uses ‘global funds industry’ as a euphemistic portmanteau for the shadow banks. You should know ‘em well enough by now, but if not, the paper has a nice summary of what shadow banks (or if you prefer, nonbank financial intermediaries) did:
In the run up to the crisis, LCFIs [large, complex financial institutions] generally increased their reliance on market-sensitive funds, as the global search for yield prompted a move away from more expensive deposit funding. Facilitated by regulatory arbitrage, this liability re-composition also reflected, and was supported by, changes on the asset side, through securitization, ratings creep, and leverage. This process resulted in balance sheet growth and aided greater interconnections of banks with nonbank funding sources and across borders. It also resulted in the buildup of systemic risk concentrations and formed the critical fault lines along which liquidity shocks were subsequently transmitted globally.
Transforming maturities, enhancing liquidity, arbing the regs.
OK. But is that so bad, you may ask....well, take a look...
Which is where we start to move from shadow banks to shadow sovereigns. It’s a good bet Greece is a bit less interconnected with banking and shadow banking systems in the core than Ireland. But there’s an interesting chart in the IMF paper
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Figure 10 presents four clusters (i.e., countries that together form more of a closed system), centered around a set of core connections that are closely linked to Greece: (i) a red cluster of countries with access to funds domiciled in Luxembourg; (ii) a black cluster with access to funds domiciled in the offshore centers of British Virgin Islands, Jersey, Cayman, Guernsey, and the Isle of Man; (iii) a blue cluster with Ireland at the core; and (iv) a green cluster of the U.S. with several key European and other countries. Greece is interconnected with each of the central nodes of these clusters. This close interconnection across other core countries suggests why asset re-allocations and flows might have been large systemically, with potentially significant impact on countries such as Ireland.
Wah wah. Notice that even TSP has more connections with the shadow banking hubs of global finance than boor SDRE Yindia does....jai ho YV saab, jai ho!

SO Irish default will hit globaloney harder than Greek crisis did, FT claims. Well, time will tell, I guess.
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Its amazing this interconnectedness. One small event will ripple through the entire system. It is like a beast that we have built has grown so large that we are unable to control or comprehend it. No wonder my economist friends tell me that it is extremely difficult to forecast what the repercussions of an event will be. Just like Chaos Theory. A butterfly flaps its wings somewhere in the south pacific and London has snowfall/drought.

On an unrelated note, Chinese Current-Account Surplus grows
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Hedge Funds Target Portugal and Spain
The deteriorating economic picture in some corners of Europe clearly has the attention of many hedge-fund managers and other investors who see Ireland's rescue package as little more than a Band-Aid for the continent's woes. They are expecting more bad news to come, predicting that borrowing costs elsewhere will become prohibitive, potentially forcing other countries to also seek a bailout or restructure their debt.

The Irish rescue effort comes on the heels of Greece's acceptance in May of its own international bailout to avoid default. Many hedge-fund managers and investors now see Portugal, with its combination of budget deficits, high government debt and low growth, as the next shoe to drop. But, investors say, the bigger concern is if funding problems spread to much bigger economies, such as Spain, Italy or even France, where investors fear a bailout would be impractical. The worry, therefore, is that it could lead to a restructuring of debt that would inflict losses on bondholders, many of which are European banks.

"The elephant in the room is that the [Spanish] real-estate market continues to be over levered and hasn't corrected," said Mr. Papamarkakis. Such a correction would have an impact on local asset prices and in turn on the local equity markets, he added.
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Max Keiser predicts the rise of Germany again, and will work closely with Russia. He says, while other countries tried to create growth by flipping real estate, Germany did not.
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Czechs Whisper Euro Opt-Out
The 12 countries that have joined the European Union since 2004 are all obliged by international treaty to eventually adopt the euro, but with the euro struggling and euro zone countries faltering, Czechs have started a whisper campaign to get a permanent exemption from the rule.

This week, Czech President Vaclav Klaus along with unnamed ministers the cabinet have been cited in local media as saying they’d like to negotiate an opt-out from having to adopt the euro.
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Possible BANK RUN December 7th


What will happen when banks just say that they don't keep enough cash, to those who try for a bank run? This game may just fail.
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Time to lock and archive this thread.
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shyam wrote:Max Keiser predicts the rise of Germany again, and will work closely with Russia. He says, while other countries tried to create growth by flipping real estate, Germany did not.
Germans might not have flipped real estate to finance their consumerism, but their institutions are holding massive amounts of worthless debt,esp.foreign debt, that makes Germany push for endless bailouts of EU nations.
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IB4TL :P
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IB4TL :P
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There are pundits who have been advocating a default for some of the European countries. They claim that this would be better than taking the bailouts that these countries are being forced fed. They point out that these bailouts are basically bail outs of certain European (German/French/British) banks. Post a sovereign default there are primarily two options available to the finance Ministry.
1) Devalue/Debase the currency
2) Push for austerity measures, i.e. spending cuts.
For most of the european countries the first is not an option. They do not own the currency, i.e. EURO. It is owned by Brussels. There are very strong influences which will resist a devaluation of euro, Germany, France and England, especially to assist those countries which have lived way beyond their means.
The second option is the only realistic option that is available to the debtor countries of Europe. But here is the kicker, these countries are already carrying out or are attempting to carry out spending cuts. So if they default they still have to carry out spending cuts, if they take the bailout money then also they have to carry out spending cuts.
In simpler words they do not get any significant advantage by defaulting.

So let us for a moment revisit why some of the pundits are advocating a default. They are advocating a default so that the bond holders and the holders of the sovereign debt, i.e. Banks, also part take in the pain, that these debtor European countries are going through. i.e. all the talk about a haircut for the bond holders and so on. The problem with this, there is no clarity on the amount of haircut and the losses that the bond holders and creditor banks would have to bear. If it is significant, some of these banks balance sheets would be wiped out. The Europeans have a visceral reaction to bank failures. Post Lehman collapse, a European financial official had remarked, "we dont allow even bakeries to fail. This step of Americans (i.e. allowing Lehman to collapse), is inexplicable."

That is why countries like Ireland are being forced fed bailout money. And if the Europeans, believe that by baling out Ireland they will stop the panic, then they have not really comprehended what happened in 2008. Spain and Portugal will be impacted. Just as lehman was impacted after bear sterns, merrill lynch was impacted after lehman and Goldman/Morgan stanely were impacted after merrill lynch. This will have very adverse long term impact on European solidarity and the concept of an European identity.
Are certain european captial going to put the idea of a europe on the stake just for a few banks and financial institutions ? Is the concept of european solidarity soooo shallow ?
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There are very strong influences which will resist a devaluation of euro, Germany, France and England,
WHy England, Its in Sterling position no? :mrgreen:
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Sidor,

You extrapolate a rather simplified version of the possibilities extant.

It is not just between the 2 choices outlined - 'default and then cutback anyway' vs 'take bailout and cutback again'.

Crudely put, the problem is why the public is on the hook to make good private losses at all in the first place. Mind you, this ain't some nitpicky hairsplitting. The principle involved is profoundly influential. The public needs to just say "Effing NO" else they and their descendents will be pawned for decades to come for something they didn't do.

Irish 'leadership' selling the Irish people down the river to foreign creditors and overlords is not a new phenomenon besides, history well shows.

Re the lack of ownership of a single currency, well, that can be rectified overnight if need be. Just needs clarity, priorities and will on part of the Irish gubmint which simply declares that all oiro notes within its territory will be converted to Irish rupaiyas at so-and-so rate starting midnight Tuesday. Period. Where there's a will, putting sword to gordian knots comes much more easily than waiting forever for godot.

The more essential point is that Irish debt is not just unpaid as of now but possibly unpayable as well. In which case, taking on even more debt to whitewash pvt banking sins and putting taxpayers on the hook makes zero, nay negative, sense anyway.

End of the day, when the problem is recognized publicly for what it is, this will be the only way out for Irish public or commoners' interest, I'd say. May not suit Irish elitemen interests so much, perhaps. Too bad then.

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How time changes when I used to fly BA (British Airways) They used to advertise Dublin, Londonderry, Wales for investment, Must have been whale of a time then... those steepes looking down into Sea, and running into Ryans Daughter with H1B visa like a village idiot...
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Americans are apathetic about the banking crisis. We have Dancing with The Stars and Nintendo. We have no interest in the effects of the banking systems multi trillion dollar bailout or the economy. The American government has socialized the banking system to the tune of $24 trillion, and we are obsessed with the $150 billion per year Obamacare would have cost. It is more important to give bankers multi billion dollar bonuses than it is to provide health care for indigents. Alright... gotta go watch reruns of NASCAR.
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This is so true. The health care costs only$150 B but the rest of the bail out is to the tune of trillions.


American Economic Collapse, Las Vegas Day
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown (Jan 26 201

Post by svinayak »

I looked everywhere in my house for something made in the USA. After hours of searching I finally found something. It was in my wallet the whole time...my last $1 dollar bill.
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