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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby shiv » 27 Feb 2010 06:24

Mahendra wrote:I know this is not Benis thread but can't resist the artist and technology strategist ( soon to be)in me who wants to propose the following symbol for the Pacqui rupee


Should go well next to an image of Pakis
http://tremendousnews.com/wp-content/up ... 9/turd.png

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Malayappan » 27 Feb 2010 06:53

All right, one more from SSS -
Islamabad ready to deal
This time the message is obvious - the title says it all.
Leaving out many nitpicks, what he (or the 'planters' from ISI) seems to convey -
- We would like to give you Ilyas Kashmiri, but we cannot. So we may look at Lakhvi.
- We should do a joint 'grilling' of Lakhvi and if the evidence is positive, we can look at handing him over.
- Kabul is not by us, it is by Al Qaeda

Apart from that he says -
- The dossiers provided cover a whole lot of ground including Khalistani terrorists
- Khalid Khawaja has filed a suit in Lahore high court, for an injunction against handing over the arrested Quetta Shura people

US seems to be putting a lot of pressure on pakistan. pakis are using multiple ruses to manage the pressure and at the same time pursue their interests scrupulously. Approach seems to along -
- talks with India ('see we are so reasonable only'),
- selective vicious attacks on Indian interests ('look, we can hit you where it can hurt, whenever we please'),
- deftly avoiding the possibility to take responsibility in all that ('see we have arrested so much of the Quetta folks. We are oh so responsible. The Quetta folks must have done that')
- hint vaguely of tantalising intelligence cooperation ('we can give you Lakhvi or do you want Ilyas was well?'),
- put tangible issues on the table like water along with no-hopes issues like Kashmir ('okay you guys cannot give us Kashmir, what about some water over and above the Indus Treaty in exchange for Lakhvi?' - let us remember - the US will vociferously back such a compromise)
- to US, appear cordial, practical, sincere and get that is desperately required and at the least possible cost (half or more of Quetta Shura or Lakhvi is no cost really)

Kayani knows he has a weak hand, but seems to be managing the cards rather well. After all pakistan is not about progress or development. It is about survival for the day -hopefully something will happen tomorrow that will bail out. And in that process if India is weakened that will provide even more strategic depth possibilities.

From their side, unless the Pathans including Quetta and Kandahar Shuras smarten up, they will continue to be the fattened goats for eventual sacrifice for pakjabi interests. If I go out on a limb, I can say that till that happens Kayani's interests are safe. In other words US cannot impact Kayanis plans in any way - only the Pathans can.

From our side I am confident of our bureacracy and the army (I am sure they know everything!). I am worried about the effete political leadership (which is strangely feeling supremely confident - 'no opposition, we never had it so good' mindset), and even more about elite media that has not only practically dumbed down everything but is also a big cheerleader (eg Americans like SV hiding behind their Indian names and pushing their adopted country's agendas)

Arresting and trying Lakhvi or similar folks can only be a part of a bigger game plan. We should not dumb down to such simplicities like the Americans (that AlQ is all about Bin Laden). It should result in reduction of pakjehadi violence in India. Or else...?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby kenop » 27 Feb 2010 07:16

Beyond "MEA sources" expressing anger at the performance of Pak FS at the press conference, nothing much has come from the Indian side at the official level which seems to point to anger/pressure from Indian side. Nirupama Rao was quite polite and to the point without sounding anything but neutral.
Now, the next major milestone is the potential meeting between the PMs in Thimpu (with another FS level interaction in the interim to prepare for that?). The SSS commentary seems that there will be another set of movements in the cases in which will be used to help MMS actualize the proposed meeting (I do not expect any offer of handover before the meeting). There is sufficient opposition to the idea of continuation of dialog (whatever be its characterization). The parliament is in session and the group at the top will not do anything spectacular to attract attention.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby arun » 27 Feb 2010 08:03

X Posted.

Customary practice in action in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. If Dhimmi’s dare to defend themselves against attack by the pure and pious they will be arrested.

Even though this attack on Christian’s living in Pahar Ganj in the North Nazimabad area of Karachi by a Muslim mob is reported to have taken place on February 21st, I have seen nothing in the media of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the matter.

Has anyone seen a report of this in the media of the Islamic Republic or is this yet another cover-up ? :

Christians Arrested after Muslim Attack in Pakistan
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby archan » 27 Feb 2010 08:06

Pakistani MP alleges team underperformed on purpose :lol:
"There is evidence that the team lost the match to Australia on purpose," Jamshed Khan Dasti said. "It underperformed. Then against New Zealand also there are signs the team didn't want to win.

"We have been told by some respected and senior people and we are also trying to collect evidence that there might have been some hanky panky in the match against Australia and New Zealand."

:(( The tableeghi team cannot do anything wrong. Like the pakis say after they get biratherly love from Taliban "no Muslim can do this".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby shiv » 27 Feb 2010 08:09

A couple of days ago I downloaded and read several Paki opinion polls as well as poverty stats in Pakistan.

First let me say a few things (which many on here know - only I now have figures for them)

1) The Paki economy is not in a good state. One third (55 million) of all Paquis are dirt poor. Two thirds (110 million) are poor. There is a direct link between land ownership and poverty with 2/3rd of Paquis owning no land. 65% Sindh residents and 75% Pakjabis own no land. It appears that 25% of Pakis (About 40 million) own 0-12 acres of land and 1% (RAPE??) own more than 35 acres.

What this means is that at least 20% of Pakis - i.e 30 million can never become poor because they own all the land.

2) Most opinion polls indicate that over 2/3rds of Pakis surveyed see India as the main threat.

What do these figures tell me? The sources basically cite financial mismanagement and lack of protection of the poor as well as a rapid increase in population as reasons contributing to Pakistan's poverty. But it is also clear that if Pakis become wealthy they will anyway hate India and will have more money and leisure to contribute to actions against India.

So the first thing to do is to allow Pakistan to get away with a rapid and unbridled increase in population. Nothing should be done to reduce poverty in Pakistan. All support should be given to greedy RAPE to remain rich while the rest of their countrymen become poor. Trade with India to improve the Pakistani economy is not a good idea

Of course this will add to subcontinental problems 15-20 years down the line. But those problems will be felt first by Paquis and also by other friends of Pakis. India anyway has a problem with Pak and as long as Pakis get poorer and suffer it is good for India.

It also means that we can talk if necessary but hostility between India and Pakistan is important to aid the long term failure of the Pakistani state. Let the rich remain very rich while the poor get poorer and poorer. Of course Pakistan will receive a lot of aid from the usual culprits but we need to translate that aid into greater hate for India so that aid money is recycled back to US and China for arms for the rich Pakis. As long as rich Pakis get richer and the poor poorer it is good for us.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby abhishek_sharma » 27 Feb 2010 08:19

‘India must change its perception about Pakistan’

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27529

LAHORE: The Pakistan foreign secretary on Friday said he had conveyed to India to reopen the Composite Dialogue as soon as possible by creating a conducive environment and changing the negative perception about Pakistan.

“The mood I saw there, whether it was during the talks, or in the media questions, showed that they have a kind of frenzy that everything wrong is attached to Pakistan and that only Pakistan is wrong, that all problems are because of Pakistan. I have asked them to treat these issues with open mind,” Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir said talking to reporters at the Wagah border, near Lahore, after returning from India.

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He said he had met the external affairs minister and the national security adviser of India for devising ways to initiate the dialogue process.

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The resumption of the Composite Dialogue will pave the way for bridging the trust deficit facing the two countries, Salman said and added, “I did make it clear that so far we have talked about negotiations, we have talked about engagement with you, but we are in no hurry, if that misunderstanding does exist there that Pakistan is desperate and that it wants to start it all, this impression, I would say humbly, should be dispelled.

Salman said Pakistan had made it clear to India that dialogue for the sake of dialogue would be useless. “The ball is now in your court that you, in your interest and in the interest of peace in this region, review your position,” he told the Indians.

The foreign secretary said Pakistan’s focus was on Kashmir, water and other outstanding issues, while India had no issue to discuss except terrorism. “The Indian demand, which they also said publicly and in talks as well, was terrorism, terrorism and terrorism. They did not have anything else to discuss, but we had a lot to say which we said,” he added.

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“During my press conference in India, I told the media that Pakistan has every kind of sound proof of Indian interference in support of militancy and terrorism by using the Afghan territory,” he said.

He said the Pakistani delegation raised every outstanding issue, including the Kishanganga and asked them to resolve it according to the Indus Water Treaty. He said Pakistan would never take dictation on any issue from the US or anyone else. He said the timeframe of next meeting was not finalised so far.

Referring to the Indian demands regarding action against Hafiz Saeed, the foreign secretary said he made it clear to India that Pakistan would follow its own law.

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The aim of the visit was to gauge India’s response to resume dialogue and talks held with India were of an exploratory nature. He made it clear to India that it should revisit its threat perception regarding terrorism and should stop blaming Pakistan for every act of terrorism. Salman said the terror allegations against Pakistan were not based on facts.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Rangudu » 27 Feb 2010 08:21

I'd not dismiss SSS totally but for obvious, I'm closer to SS of BR than SSS.

TSP is clearly under some timebound pressure by Unkil to do something major. The rapid verbal escalation, desperate attempts to humiliate India out of talks, pigLeT rallies, LoC firings, fake rallies in J&K, Pune and now the Kabul attack. They will likely not stop here and will escalate any way they can. Better intel and possibly some help from Unkil may have helped make direct 26/11 attacks in India harder to execute on demand, but they only need to succeed once.

A Headley link to all this sounds possible. Interestingly, two major but relatively unnoticed things happened in the Headley/Rana case in the last 2 days. First was the motion filed by US government to be allowed to keep all evidence secret (national security clause) and the second was the personal appearance in court today by DA Patrick Fitzegerald - only the second time ever he has personally appeared in court - making it clear that US gov really wants to keep things secret. Add to that FBI chief's visit to India and TSP last week.

As they say in the 'hood - "Sum'ns going DOWN"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby abhishek_sharma » 27 Feb 2010 08:23

Consultations being held for Hindu marriage law

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/19-consultations-being-held-for-hindu-marriage-law-720-hh-06

More than two million Hindus living in Pakistan are following their customary laws in contracting marriages without any registration and legal recourse for either partner in case of problems.

Federal Minister for Minorities Shahbaz Bhatti informed the National Assembly on Friday that the government was yet to promulgate the Hindu Marriage Act because the Hindu community was still following centuries-old traditions while solemnising marriages.

In response to a question raised by Ms Parveen Massod Bhatti, he said that marriages of Hindus were not registered. However, he said, the ministry had initiated a consultation process to come up with a legislation.

Talking to Dawn, Mr Bhatti said the government was working on a Minority Protection Bill for different minorities across the country. The Hindu, Sikh and Bahai communities, he said, had been demanding separate marriage law and the matter would be addressed in the forthcoming bill.

“We have already held three meetings with representatives of these minorities and hopefully the bill would be presented before the National Assembly within the next three months,” the minister said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby abhishek_sharma » 27 Feb 2010 08:25

Salman returns from India: Talks for sake of talks useless

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/salman-returns-from-india-talks-for-sake-of-talks-useless-720

Mr Bashir said that Pakistan had suggested higher-level meetings while continuing with secretary-level talks. However, he added, they had not decided any date for future talks.


About the Kashmir issue, Mr Bashir said: “Pakistan has made it clear to India that Kashmir is an international issue since the passage of the UN Security Council resolutions on it (in 1948) and international intervention is required for its settlement.


What about Simla agreement?

Mr Bashir sought to dispel impression prevailing in India that Islamabad was desperate for resumption of talks. “Until now we have talked of dialogue and engagement. But now I have told them (the Indians) that we are not in a hurry. If they are ready for dialogue we will also be willing for it because it is the only way forward,” he said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Pranav » 27 Feb 2010 08:35

It is time that the GoI stops treating Pakistan as legitimate entity ... declare TSP as terrorist-occupied territory, speak up for the rights of oppressed nations within TSP, have the Interpol issue a red corner notice to arrest Kiyani, down-grade the embassy to a liaison office, make it clear that any entity providing aid to TSP is guilty of aiding terrorism and will suffer consequences in its relations with India.

There is no reason why chai-biskoot cannot continue ... for example, Ronald Reagan had received the Taliban in the Whitehouse. But no need to accord them the status of a legitimate nation.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Guddu » 27 Feb 2010 08:42

sanjaykumar wrote:See! and BRFites complain that India does not do enough covert action! pakis can see India everywhere.


Pakistanis start off in one direction and always end up pointing to India.

It is called Peyronie's disease.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Malayappan » 27 Feb 2010 08:42

shiv wrote: hostility between India and Pakistan is important to aid the long term failure of the Pakistani state.


Placing the Kabila theory of Ramana along with this,

- The key issue for us is not Lakhvi or Biradar or anyone else. Booking these criminals is of course important, but should not develop into a national obsession (a la bin laden for US)
- The national obsession should be to safeguard the Indian Nation from the kabila in the west
- We should denude the kabila of all that provides its strength. To the extent their action against Afghan or paki Taliban promotes fissures in the kabila's resolve, it is useful. Beyond that it it will be valuable only as a negotiating position (with respect to the kabila)
- US presence in Afghanistan, provides a fair degree of support to the kabila. The support reduces or even becomes zero, with US departure.
- In the present scheme of things only a deep schizm between Pashtuns and pakjabis that results in fighting between them can provide us with respite, and eventually a solution.
- Further the kabila analogy can also imply that we cannot destroy (as in make them zero) them, but will only retard them from causing unacceptable loss?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby SSridhar » 27 Feb 2010 09:05

Tough talking Pakistan rattled India at the FS-level talks
“We did a lot of tough talking during the meeting, and convincingly put forward our position on all issues of importance ... [we] made it clear that we will not accept dictates on the terms of bilateral engagements,” said the diplomat.
The diplomat rejected the impression that Pakistan had been trapped by India to highlight New Delhi’s concerns over terrorism, and said, “They will soon find themselves caught in their own trap ... their media is already highlighting it.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby negi » 27 Feb 2010 09:12

The Unkil's perfidy and duplicity has no bounds the recent arrests in Isloo only indicate that they have used 26/11 as a pressure point to force TSP to act against the Al-Quaida kingpins while Indian side is given sermons on restraint and some token info in form of intelligence . If America really wants to help how about using blackwater or their local agents to take out 26/11 masterminds which India seeks in exchange of cooperation in Af-Pak . I mean it cannot get more easier than this for TSP won't have any excuse to press the panic N button .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby abhishek_sharma » 27 Feb 2010 09:13

The diplomat rejected the impression that Pakistan had been trapped by India to highlight New Delhi’s concerns over terrorism, and said, “They will soon find themselves caught in their own trap ... their media is already highlighting it.”


What trap are they talking about? Is it their Foreign Secretary's comment that the dossier is "literature, not evidence."?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby negi » 27 Feb 2010 09:16

^ A concession was already made by agreeing to talk , as time passes by 26/11 memories will fade away and things would return to their usual state i.e. composite dialogues with Kashmir and IWT capturing media limelight while TSP sponsored terror will take a backseat as it is not NEWS .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Carl_T » 27 Feb 2010 09:27

Pranav wrote:It is time that the GoI stops treating Pakistan as legitimate entity ... declare TSP as terrorist-occupied territory, speak up for the rights of oppressed nations within TSP, have the Interpol issue a red corner notice to arrest Kiyani, down-grade the embassy to a liaison office, make it clear that any entity providing aid to TSP is guilty of aiding terrorism and will suffer consequences in its relations with India.


We can do what the Iranians do with Israel - Zionist Occupied Palestinian Territories.

We will call it the Occupied Indus Valley.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Prem » 27 Feb 2010 09:31

Guddu wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:See! and BRFites complain that India does not do enough covert action! pakis can see India everywhere.Pakistanis start off in one direction and always end up pointing to India.
It is called Peyronie's disease.

:rotfl:


Pacquis dont bend for they fear each and every Indian behind them. Hi Dear Pacqui, is that Hundred Dollar bill on the ground? :mrgreen:
Talking back to India is the measure of their leadership's manhood in front of inbreeding retard Mango Abduls living on Occupied Indian Land .
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby shiv » 27 Feb 2010 09:34



And the Indian media will dutifully report this as "Pakistan talks tough. India worried" :roll:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby SSridhar » 27 Feb 2010 09:42

abhishek_sharma wrote:Salman returns from India:
Mr Bashir sought to dispel impression prevailing in India that Islamabad was desperate for resumption of talks. “Until now we have talked of dialogue and engagement. But now I have told them (the Indians) that we are not in a hurry. If they are ready for dialogue we will also be willing for it because it is the only way forward,” he said.


Up until the sudden announcement of India's invitation to Pakistan for talks, various Indian leaders were vehemently saying 'no talks'. And, Pakistan was begging for talks. Now, suddenly, Pakistan is 'not in a hurry'. Confirms that some unpleasant things have been conveyed to the Pakistanis.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby ajaykul » 27 Feb 2010 09:47

now what do we have here

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0 ... /?ref=asia

In advance of talks in New Delhi on Thursday between Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao and her Pakistani counterpart, Salman Bashir — which touched on a number of sensitive issues — a Pakistani newspaper suggested that Mr. Bashir’s delegation included a secret weapon: a diplomat “who can read the faces of people and predict what they are actually thinking and feeling — an art known as physiognomy.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Muppalla » 27 Feb 2010 09:50

SSridhar wrote:Up until the sudden announcement of India's invitation to Pakistan for talks, various Indian leaders were vehemently saying 'no talks'. And, Pakistan was begging for talks. Now, suddenly, Pakistan is 'not in a hurry'. Confirms that some unpleasant things have been conveyed to the Pakistanis.


This whole Indo-Pak thingy is a unique diplomatic dance. I don't if there was ever such a parralence in diplomatic relations between any two nations ever in the past.

Pure nautanki and I don't know when we will do things straight with no Track-II or dance-numbers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby SSridhar » 27 Feb 2010 09:54

Urdu is not the national language
Quite true indeed. There have been different kabilas at different times in Pakistan. The mohajir kabila introduced urdu with the silent approval of the Punjabis, over vociferous opposition from the Sindhis and the Bengalis.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby SSridhar » 27 Feb 2010 09:56

ajaykul wrote:now what do we have here

. . . a secret weapon: a diplomat “who can read the faces of people and predict what they are actually thinking and feeling — an art known as physiognomy.”


ajaykul, welcome to the board. This was already discussed here. What we don't know, and are eagerly waiting to hear from Pakistan, is how the 'reading' session went.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby abhishek_sharma » 27 Feb 2010 10:05

Pakistan’s decisive action to aid Afghan conciliation: US

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/06-pakistans-decisive-action-to-aid-afghan-conciliation-us-720-rs-08

Pakistan’s ‘decisive’ action against the Taliban is already showing results, says the US State Department, adding that such measures would encourage militants to seek reconciliation.

“This is expressly the kind of decisive action that we sought in our strategy from the outset, and that has been the basis upon which we have worked with Afghanistan, worked with Pakistan,” said the department’s spokesman P.J. Crowley.

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There has been a positive response in the US to Pakistani military and intelligence operations over the last several weeks that resulted in the capture of some key Taliban leaders, including the group’s military chief Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar.

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Responding to a question about a possible reconciliation with the Taliban leadership, the spokesman said the US and its allies were “not too far down that road at this point”.



This lovefest continues!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby SSridhar » 27 Feb 2010 10:11

Suicide attack kills 3

The ball did not hit the sweet part of the bat perhaps.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Suppiah » 27 Feb 2010 10:16

As the thread itself heads to martyrdom once it gets its 72, here is news of more pure getting their 72s...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... tack-ha-04

Three gone..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby SSridhar » 27 Feb 2010 10:24

A shift in policy ?
The Indians were allowed to open four consulates in Afghanistan. Though in a normal environment this may have been a routine diplomatic activity but the US and Afghan governments did not visualise the concerns of the Pakistani security establishment.

The role of these consulates is being viewed with distrust by the media and civil society and the average Pakistani is not prepared to believe that these are normal diplomatic missions. The general perception is that these consulates have been established to launch agents for the destabilisation of Pakistan. This perception is widespread and the number of consulates is being exaggerated, and these diplomatic missions are being accused of destabilisation of the country and helping anti-Pakistan elements, specifically in Balochistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Pranav » 27 Feb 2010 10:54

The US needs to be told in no uncertain terms: The main problem in Af-Pak is US support for the terrorist organization that is known as the Paki Army. Stop supporting terrorism and let the Baloch, Sindhis, Pashtuns be free.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby krishnan » 27 Feb 2010 10:58

SSridhar wrote:
ajaykul wrote:now what do we have here

. . . a secret weapon: a diplomat “who can read the faces of people and predict what they are actually thinking and feeling — an art known as physiognomy.”


ajaykul, welcome to the board. This was already discussed here. What we don't know, and are eagerly waiting to hear from Pakistan, is how the 'reading' session went.


He dozed off

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby CRamS » 27 Feb 2010 11:04

Muppalla wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Up until the sudden announcement of India's invitation to Pakistan for talks, various Indian leaders were vehemently saying 'no talks'. And, Pakistan was begging for talks. Now, suddenly, Pakistan is 'not in a hurry'. Confirms that some unpleasant things have been conveyed to the Pakistanis.


This whole Indo-Pak thingy is a unique diplomatic dance. I don't if there was ever such a parralence in diplomatic relations between any two nations ever in the past.

Pure nautanki and I don't know when we will do things straight with no Track-II or dance-numbers.


Indeed, its because neither side can score an outright victory over the other. Thats why this war of attrition and diplomatic dance that both know is a farce. And this is what is shameful about India despite it being 7 times the size of TSP and more resourceful.

But on balace, I would say is TSP has an aggresive military strategy, India doesn't. Thus, if TSP can keep istself intact (which its 3.5 friends will ensure and watch the fun as India gets pummeled by Paki terrorists), this war of a 1000 cuts will eventually wear down India. At some point, there will be a certain decibel level from Indian public to give up Kashmir as its not worth it. And once Kashmir goes, so goes India. The critical needs for India at the moment, and must be national objectives, are 3 things: 1) Strengthen internal security (screw this seculalrism BS if it comes to that), 2) Covert war inside TSP as much as is possible, and 3) Should the provocation be of the Mumbai variety, India will have to dent TSPA's H&D. That could possibly provide an incentive for a revolt. But all this will require a nationalist leadership in India. Not possible from those who keep parroting that "India and TSP are both victims of terror", "India's and TSP's destinies are interlinked" and other cowardly nonsense.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Malayappan » 27 Feb 2010 11:35

Newsweek story on LeT. Not much we do not know already, but quite useful as a non-Indian source.
The Next Al Qaeda?
"I can't think of any other group that has done anything on that scale of sophistication," says Nigel Inkster, the former director of intelligence and operations for Britain's Secret Intelligence Service. Benjamin, the top State Department counterterrorism official, has said that the only group that can even compare to LeT in terms of its size, sophistication, global capability, and ambition is Hizbullah, the Iranian-backed terrorist group.

Both gentlemen miss the point. So typical of the UK-US types, they forget that there is an answer to both their 'musings' - pakistani army. Without a support and infrastructure of something that has the credentials of a defence force of a sovereign nation, all this will be impossible.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby derkonig » 27 Feb 2010 11:40

CRamS wrote:(screw this seculalrism BS if it comes to that),


That, sir is the answer to all of our security problems. If we can slay the sekoolaarism monster, not only will our internal security fall in place, so will our foreign policy and dealings with Pak.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Malayappan » 27 Feb 2010 11:44

More support for the Kabila line of thought -
Ayesha Siddiqua in the Dawn writes on Conspiracy theories galore
A force that is not committed to developing its constituents, sustains itself through plunder and begging, with no incentive to 'settle down' and 'create' will need to be paranoid and eliminate rational thought from its constituents ('why do you need that if there is no intention to settle down and create?'), to instil a culture of fear.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby Malayappan » 27 Feb 2010 11:58

A survey on the national bird of pakistan. Useful data and reference material. Worth a quick read and archiving for reference. Apparently a website will be tracking the drones action at www.newamerica.net/drones
The Year of the Drone: An Analysis of U.S. Drone Strikes in Pakistan, 2004-2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Postby CRamS » 27 Feb 2010 12:13

Malayappan wrote:Newsweek story on LeT. Not much we do not know already, but quite useful as a non-Indian source.
The Next Al Qaeda?
"I can't think of any other group that has done anything on that scale of sophistication," says Nigel Inkster, the former director of intelligence and operations for Britain's Secret Intelligence Service. Benjamin, the top State Department counterterrorism official, has said that the only group that can even compare to LeT in terms of its size, sophistication, global capability, and ambition is Hizbullah, the Iranian-backed terrorist group.

Both gentlemen miss the point. So typical of the UK-US types, they forget that there is an answer to both their 'musings' - pakistani army. Without a support and infrastructure of something that has the credentials of a defence force of a sovereign nation, all this will be impossible.


Gentlemen? I would call them bloody conscious or unconscious racist scum bags. The whole artiel reeks of colonial bigotry: LeT is now targeting the west and its evil, but as long as it attacks SDREs, its a different matter. But on a more important note, TSPA/ISI are calbrating LeT activities with precision. Recall, and the article also mentions the same, LeT scruplously avoided whites. But of late, they have targeted whites also. But this is only for TSP to gain some notoriety. The whites have clearly bought TSP's lies. Look at this bit:



One solution, then, is for the U.S. and its allies to move more aggressively to ferret out and dismantle LeT cells located throughout the Pakistani diaspora. The other is to do everything possible to support peace efforts between India and Pakistan, including resolution of their dispute over Kashmir. Just last week New Delhi and Islamabad resumed direct peace talks for the first time since the Mumbai attacks, although no immediate breakthroughs were expected. It is likely that Islamabad will be willing to wipe out LeT only when it perceives less of a threat from India.



Bascially, TSP is demanding that the whites force India to deliver Kashmir for scaling back LeT attacks against them. And of course, as the above snippet indicates, the west is sold on this diabolical sophistry.


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