Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

[negi]

Russia confirms bomber as wife of Pak trained terrorist leader

[RamaY]

Or they staged the kidnap to get out of radar screens and are planning something big.

We have to assume this until the kidnappers are identified, irrespective of the outcome of the kidnapping.

[Gerard]

Fatima Bhutto during the launch of her book 'Songs of Blood and Sword' in Mumbai on Tuesday

[Gagan]

Peshawar: Locations

[A_Gupta]

^^^^
Gagan, thank you!

[Guddu]

India, Pak to launch major wargames at same time From TOI(let)

Do we know, who Pak or India, announced the war games last. I think its India, and one possibility is that if we are also wargaming, as it would avoid temptation to pakis.

[csharma]

I would guess Pakistan decided after it came to know about India's dates. That way it will get media attention of India Pak tension and create a case for US to intervene.

[arun]

X Posted. Pakistan may be an Islamic Republic claimed to have been established to provide a safe haven for the Muslims of the Indian Sub-Continent but that safe haven status for Muslims apparently does not extend to Muslim Sects which are in a minority

Three members of the minority Muslim Ahmadi / Ahmadiyya sect killed in a case of targeted sectarian killing in Faisalabad on April 1, 2010:

Monday, April 05, 2010

Ahmadis slam target-killings in Faisalabad

LAHORE: The Jamaat-e-Ahmadia Pakistan on Sunday condemned the target killing of three members of its community in Faisalabad on April 1 (Thursday), Daily Times has learnt. The incident occurred around 10pm last Thursday when the three Ahmadis were returning home in their vehicle from their jewellery and cloth shops situated in Rail Bazaar in Faisalabad. As their car approached the Canal Road near Faisal Hospital, four or five unidentified militants – in a white car – ambushed them. ……………………..

Daily Times

[Ameet]

LeT eyes India's core sector: US think tank

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Pol ... 768704.cms

A US defence department think tank has warned that India’s transportation, economic infrastructure
and political establishment are on the Lashkar-e-Toiba’s radar. It has also confirmed India’s charge that the terror outfit still enjoys funding from ISI.

What is equally significant is the think tank’s finding about the close links between LeT and Karachi-based D-Company of Dawood Ibrahim. “D-Company has established smuggling routes in the region, access to material, a partnership with LeT, and depends on ISI for refuge in Pakistan,” the report has said.

The think tank associated with the US Army War College said that the LeT, though having a close relationship with Al Qaeda, will continue to evolve into a distinctive, South Asia-centric terrorist actor while still receiving aid from fringe elements in Pakistan’s security and intelligence apparatus and elsewhere. “This will not only allow LeT to continue to plan future Mumbai-style terrorist attacks in India from safe havens in Pakistan, but will also enable it to guide and assist the predominantly indigenous Indian Mujahideen (IM).”

Authored by Ryan Clarke, the 117-page report “Lashkar-e-Toiba: The Fallacy of Subservient Proxies and the Future of Islamist Terrorism in India,” has given a detailed account of the outfit. The report said the troubling fact is that LeT has upgraded its activities and has begun to operate throughout India and will likely target transportation and economic infrastructure and political establishment as opposed to Indian security forces exclusively.

The report said Dawood Ibrahim’s D-Company has emerged as the principal source of its weaponry. “Although LeT has a wide support base that spans several continents, underworld don Dawood Ibrahim is the most probable source of weaponry, given D-Company’s geographic proximity to LeT operations and the syndicate’s proven ability to clandestinely transfer enough weaponry to fight a small war on short notice.”

According to the think tank, LeT collects donations from the overseas Pakistani community in the Persian Gulf and the UK, Islamic non-governmental organisations, Pakistani/Kashmiri business people and through its parent organisation Jamaat-ud-Dawa. The militant group also counts on donations from sympathetic Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Islamist-leaning ISI leaders. “In addition, LeT maintains relations with extremist and/ or terrorist groups across the globe ranging from the Philippines to the Middle East and Chechnya by means of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa network,” the report said.

Although most of LeT’s monetary assets were previously deposited in mainstream financial institutions, many of these deposits were withdrawn and invested in legitimate ventures such as commodity trading, real estate and manufacturing in order to avoid seizures.

[svinayak]

https://strategicstudiesinstitute.army. ... PUB973.pdf

LASHKAR-I-TAIBA:
THE FALLACY OF SUBSERVIENT PROXIES
AND THE FUTURE OF ISLAMIST TERRORISM
IN INDIA
HISTORICAL OVERVIEW
Markaz-Dawa-ul-Irshad (Center for Preaching,
also referred to as MDI) was founded in 1987 to assist
the Afghan resistance against the Soviet Union and to
purge Islam in Pakistan of what it viewed as the corrupting
influence of Hinduism. Pakistan’s Inter-Service
Intelligence (ISI) and the U.S. Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) utilized the Markaz during the Soviet
invasion, but MDI was abandoned by the CIA after the
Soviet withdrawal. However, ISI continued to use the
organization to carry out attacks not only in Kashmir,
but throughout India.1 The founder of MDI was Hafiz
Saeed, a professor of Islamic Studies at an engineering
university in Pakistani Punjab. MDI is associated with
the Wahhabi Ahl-e-Hadith orthodox school of thought
that even forbids television and pictures. The religious
philosophy of the Markaz is Sunni and intensely
puritanical, and MDI publishes an Urdu magazine, Al
Dawa, that has a reported circulation of around 80,000.2
The Markaz previously had close ties with Saudi
Arabia, although differences emerged over MDI’s
relationship with Osama bin Laden and Riyadh’s
decision to allow U.S. and other Western troops to be
stationed on Saudi soil. Osama bin Laden is reported
to have contributed Pakistani rupees (Rs.) 10 million to
the construction of a mosque at MDI’s headquarters in
Muridke, Pakistan, and is also believed to have built
a guesthouse that he himself has stayed in. Further,
it has been alleged that bin Laden used to attend the
2
annual gatherings of the Markaz at Muridke but now
only addresses them over conference phone from his
hideouts in the former Sudan and the Afghanistan-
Pakistan border area.3
Lashkar-i-Taiba (LeT) was formed slightly after
the establishment of its parent organization, MDI,
in the late 1980s.4

[Theo_Fidel]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8606286.stm

Mumbai gunmen 'secretly buried in January', India says

The bodies of nine gunmen killed in the 2008 attacks on Mumbai have been secretly buried, Indian officials say.

"The matter was deliberately kept a secret from the media and other people. Now the only question that remains is of the lone surviving terrorist, Ajmal Qasab."

In November last year Ibrahim Tai, president of the Muslim Council Trust in India, said if the bodies had to be buried, it should be at "an unknown location".

"We know Indian authorities are stuck as the bodies have not been claimed by Pakistan. If they are buried without leaving any trace, then it is fine with us," he said.

Nice.

Time for Kasab to join 'em.

[Gagan]

Here one has to appreciate the stand taken by the muslim community leaders in India.

They were steadfast in not allowing these terrorists to be buried in any muslim graveyard in India. Mumbai 26/11 affected everyone.

[arun]

38 killed at ANP rally as per this report .............

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaki ... -rmvq.html

The death toll in yesterdays demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan at Timergara in Lower Dir has climbed to 45:

45 die as bomber hits ANP meeting in Timergara

The death toll in the April 5th demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan at Timergara in Lower Dir has climbed yet further to touch 55:

Timergara blast death toll hits 55

[rohitvats]

India, Pak to launch major wargames at same time From TOI(let)

Do we know, who Pak or India, announced the war games last. I think its India, and one possibility is that if we are also wargaming, as it would avoid temptation to pakis.

I would not read too much into it - except that the PA may play this up as 'tension' on eastern border and hence, more F-16/M-109 SPH/Cobra gunships/<add favorite whine> etc...Such exercises are planned way in advance and cannot be conducted as an after thought unless, ofcourse, there is some emergency or you need to fill an agenda like above. These exercises I think have been planned as part of High Mark-2010 (the PAF wargames).

Indian exercises in the desert have been in progress since mid January and has involved elements from multiple Corps...Yodha Shakti is the culmination and involves elements of I Strike Corps

[R Vaidya]

This might have been posted earlier--if so apologies.
MUNIR COMMUSSION REPORT-25: REACTION ON MUSLIMS OF NON-MUSLIM STATES
http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamA ... cleID=2662

MUNIR COMMUSSION REPORT-25: REACTION ON MUSLIMS OF NON-MUSLIM STATES
Justice M. Munir commission investigated the large-scale riots against the Ahmadya sect in Pakistan in 1953. His report is an eye-opener. It shows that our ulema are not even able to agree on a definition of who a Muslim is. Justice Munir had called heads of all Islamic schools of thought and asked them the definition of a Muslim. No two ulema agreed. It also exposes the pusillanimity of our so-called scholars of Islam and their near-total disregard of the beauty and generosity of Islam. – Editor
The ideology on which an Islamic State is desired to be founded in Pakistan must have certain consequences for the Musalmans who are living in countries under non-Muslim sovereigns. We asked Amir-i-Shari’at Sayyad Ataullah Shah Bukhari whether a Muslim could be a faithful subject of a non-Muslim State and reproduce his answer:—
“Q.—In your opinion is a Musalman bound to obey orders of a kafir Government?
A.—It is not possible that a Musalman should be faithful citizen of a non-Muslim Government.
Q.—Will it be possible for the four crore of Indian Muslims to be faithful citizens of their State?
A—No.”
The answer is quite consistent with the ideology which has been pressed before us, but then if Pakistan is entitled to base its Constitution on religion, the same right must be conceded to other countries where Musalmans are in substantial minorities or if they constitute a preponderating majority in a country where sovereignty rests with a non-Muslim community. We, therefore, asked the various ulama whether, if non-Muslims in Pakistan were to be subjected to this discrimination in matters of citizenship, the ulama would have any objection to Muslims in other countries being subjected to a similar discrimination. Their reactions to this suggestion are reproduced below:—
Maulana Abul Hasanat Sayyed Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan:—
“Q.—You will admit for the Hindus, who are in a majority in India, the right to have a Hindu religious State?
A.—Yes.
Q.—Will you have any objection if the Muslims are treated under that form of Government as malishes or shudras under the law of Manu?
A.— No.”
Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi:—
“Q.—If we have this form of Islamic Government in Pakistan, will you permit Hindus to base their Constitution on the basis of their own religion?
A—Certainly. I should have no objection even if the Muslims of India are treated in that form of Government as shudras and malishes and Manu’s laws are applied to them, depriving them of all share in the Government and the rights of a citizen. In fact such a state of affairs already exists in India.”
Amir-i-Shari’at Sayyad Ata Ullah Skak Bukhari:—
“Q.—How many crores of Muslims are there in India?
A.—Four crores.
Q.—Have you any objection to the law of Manu being applied to them according to which they will have no civil right and will be treated as malishes and shudras?
A.—I am in Pakistan and I cannot advise them.”
Mian Tufail Muhammad of Jama’at-i-Islami:—
“Q.—What is the population of Muslims in the world?
A.—Fifty crores.
Q.—If the total population of Muslims of the world is 50 crores, as you say, and the number of Muslims living in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Indonesia, Egypt, Persia, Syria, Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, Turkey and Iraq does not exceed 20 crores, will not the result of your ideology be
to convert 30 crores of Muslims in the world into hewers of wood and drawers of water?
A.—My ideology should not affect their position.
Q.—Even if they are subjected to discrimination on religious grounds and denied ordinary rights of citizenship?
A.—Yes.”
This witness goes to the extent of asserting that even if a non-Muslim Government were to offer posts to Muslims in the public services of the country, it will be their duty to refuse such posts.
Ghazi Siraj-ud-Din Munir:—
“Q.—Do you want an Islamic State in Pakistan?
A.—Surely.
Q.—What will be your reaction if the neighbouring country was to found their political system on their own religion?
A.—They can do it if they like.
Q.—Do you admit for them the right to declare that all Muslims in India, are shudras and malishes with no civil rights whatsoever?
A.—We will do our best to see that before they do it their political sovereignty is gone. We are too strong for India. We will be strong enough to prevent India from doing this.
Q.—Is it a part of the religious obligations of Muslims to preach their religion?
A—Yes.
Q.—Is it a part of the duty of Muslims in India publicly to preach their religion?
A.—They should have that right.
Q.—What if the Indian State is founded on a religious basis and the right to preach religion is disallowed to its Muslim nationals?
A —If India makes any such law, believer in the Expansionist movement as I am, I will march on India and conquer her.”
So this is the reply to the reciprocity of discrimination on religious grounds. Master Taj-ud-Din Ansari:—
“Q.—Would you like to have the same ideology for the four crores of Muslims in India as you are impressing upon the Muslims of Pakistan?
A.—That ideology will not let them remain in India for one minute.
Q.—Does the ideology of a Muslim change from place to place and from time to time?
A.—No.
Q.—Then why should not the Muslims of India have the same ideology as you have?
A.—They should answer that question.”
The ideology advocated before us, if adopted by Indian Muslims, will completely disqualify them for public offices in the State, not only in India but in other countries also which are under a non-Muslim Government. Muslims will become perpetual suspects everywhere and will not be enrolled in the army because according to this ideology, in case of war between a Muslim country and a non-Muslim country, Muslim soldiers of the non-Muslim country must either side with the Muslim country or surrender their posts. The following is the view expressed by two divines whom we questioned on this point:—
Maulana Abul Hasanat Sayyed Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, President, Jami’at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan:—
“Q.—What will be the duty of Muslims in India in case of war between India and Pakistan?
A.—Their duty is obvious, namely, to side with us and not to fight against us on behalf of India.”
Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi: —
“Q.—What will be the duty of the Muslims in India in case of war between India and Pakistan?
A.—Their duty is obvious, and that is not to fight against Pakistan or to do anything injurious to the safety of Pakistan.”
NEXT: Responsibility for Disturbances
Photo: Haqiqat-ul-Islam Ahmadiyya Mosque in Paramaribo, Suriname
For full text go to the link above.

R Vaidya

[amit]

Fatima Bhutto during the launch of her book 'Songs of Blood and Sword' in Mumbai on Tuesday

What? Fatima Bhutto doing the Haaram thing of wearing a sari and bindi???

Is she also a Ekta Kapur fan?

Where's the fatwa button when you need it?

[A_Gupta]

http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.m ... PUB973.pdf

Indian security forces have been witnessing a disturbing trend in the indigenization of several Pakistan and Bangladesh-based militant groups that is believed to have led to the formation of the Indian Mujahideen (IM). IM is believed to have a substantial number of Indian nationals within its ranks, and its recent attacks were likely carried out by Indians, something that runs counter to the conventional wisdom that terrorist attacks in India are invariably carried out by foreigners, usually Pakistanis.

Much of this reformation likely involves the ISI, with the goal of establishing native cells that mostly operate autonomously but will still occasionally take directives from abroad. These cells will likely be highly difficult to detect as they are small and consist of Indians with first-hand knowledge of the country that do not appear foreign in any way.

Further, any ruling party in New Delhi will have difficulty enacting tougher legislation to combat the problem for fear of losing the Muslim vote.

India is also at a disadvantage as its intelligence services lack Muslim personnel and have become too dependent upon technology at the expense of human intelligence.

Lastly, India needs to acknowledge that many Muslims are treated as second-class citizens in the country and have suffered from selective justice and discrimination for decades, and that this does wonders for the recruitment efforts of groups such as IM.

Although ISI, LeT, and others have assets in India, D-Company’s network is far more extensive. As elements within ISI further their agenda of developing and spinning off terrorist groups within India while
the civilian leadership pledges to crack down on these same organizations, they will come to rely more heavily on D-Company infrastructure in ventures such as ensuring the safe entry and exit of foreign terrorists and the provision of safe houses, clean phones, weapons, explosives, and other related materiel. They will also need D-Company operatives to reconnoiter targets and manage ISI’s relationships with corrupt officials within India.

Through D-Company, extremists in ISI may be able to establish even greater distance between themselves and the myriad of terrorist groups, namely LeT, that jeopardize Indian stability. D-Company also benefits from this partnership as it allows it to assist in avenging the deaths of Muslims in areas such as Gujarat, the scene of a serial bombing in July 2008. D-Company had long sought to carry out an operation in Gujarat following the massacre of over 1,000 Muslims by Hindu mobs in 2002, and its participation was likely.

[A_Gupta]

A major contributing factor for Islamist terrorism in India is the selective nature of Indian justice when it comes to prosecuting acts of communal violence. For example, India relentlessly pushes for the extradition of Dawood Ibrahim from Pakistan for his involvement in the 1993 Mumbai attacks while many of those who perpetrated or instigated the 2002 Gujarat riots, in which scores of Muslim innocents were killed, have not been brought to justice. Contradictions such as these serve as powerful motivators, while evidence is also starting to emerge that some Indian Muslims are beginning to identify with the Kashmir dispute. This is something that could prove disastrous if not addressed.

From
http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.m ... PUB973.pdf
(cited above)

[kulhari]

Interesting to see that the water crisis for which porkis blame India is for some part due to their Army.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pakar ... ef/601390/

This further proves that Pakistan is not a country with army but an army with a region to loot.

[arun]

^^^ X Posted Dawns version of the story.

The Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has been caught indulging in Water Jihad in the path of Allah with the Punjab province Irrigation Department accusing the Army of “blatant water theft”:

Army, Rangers accused of stealing water

By Ahmad Fraz Khan
Wednesday, 07 Apr, 2010 | 02:32 AM PST |

LAHORE, April 6: Accusing the Army and Rangers of being involved in “blatant water theft”, the Punjab irrigation department has urged the chief minister to “immediately take up the matter at appropriate level”.

In a summary to the provincial chief executive, the department said that water theft by “state agencies greatly undermines its moral authority (to check individual farmers and other influential people involved in the crime)”.

“Water theft has become a serious issue over the past two decades and is seriously affecting canal operations and equitable distribution of water. Theft by influential people at the head-reaches results in water shortage and deprives the poor farmers at the tail of these channels. Against this backdrop, water theft by state agencies robs the department of any moral authority to go after small farmers.” …………

Dawn

[Jaspreet]

What? Fatima Bhutto doing the Haaram thing of wearing a sari and bindi???

Pak historians & scholars and have found that sari and bindi are Greco-Persian-Indo (notice Indo is last) dress-artifacts.

[A_Gupta]

Fatima Bhutto:
http://sareedreams.com/2010/04/fatima-b ... book-tour/

[bart]

Fatima Bhutto during the launch of her book 'Songs of Blood and Sword' in Mumbai on Tuesday

What? Fatima Bhutto doing the Haaram thing of wearing a sari and bindi???

Is she also a Ekta Kapur fan?

Where's the fatwa button when you need it?

It's called being a Paki, and means loudly protesting any 'affronts' to their piety by Kaffirs, but they themselves would do anything for money.

According to many experts, being a Paki is the world's oldest profession.

[SBajwa]

by Gagan
Here one has to appreciate the stand taken by the muslim community leaders in India.

They were steadfast in not allowing these terrorists to be buried in any muslim graveyard in India. Mumbai 26/11 affected everyone.

not so fast!! they are only helping their brethren from across to border so that in due time they can claim that Bombay attackers were RSS or Shiv Sena people., and they were not even buried in any islamic graveyard.

[surinder]

If India had the gumption, it should have burned the bodies, instead of burying them. The faithfools have an aversion to being burned, and consider that their shahadaat has been compromised.

If you want an Indian precedent for this, here is one: Maharaja Ranjit Singh's in his war with Pashtuns, burned the ghazis's bodies, causing serious loss of morale amongst the faithfool jihedees who considered burning un0zlamic.

PS: Quite obviously, the IM community would have no problem with that scenario. So there is no internal pressure on GOI not to do it. (Unless of course the IM's are saying one thing in public, but quite another in private.)

[shiv]

If India had the gumption, it should have burned the bodies, instead of burying them. The faithfools have an aversion to being burned, and consider that their shahadaat has been compromised.

Surinder, buried bodies can be exhumed and re-examined unlike cremated bodies. One can never tell how science pans out. A relative of the dead guys may have his blood sample taken and compared against existing samples an revalidated against an exhumed specimen if there are doubts.

[CRamS]

India, Pak to launch major wargames at same time From TOI(let)

Do we know, who Pak or India, announced the war games last. I think its India, and one possibility is that if we are also wargaming, as it would avoid temptation to pakis.

Another joke and source of entertainment for the west, thats all. Recall, there was a hilarious parody of the India TSP phony fist fight in the Onion or some such political sattire magazine. In that the author likened both India & TSP as cowards who keep shouting but neither has the guts to fight a real war. Equal equal onlee so far. But TSP does score one up in that after all this tamasha, they sure do fight, except coverrtly with LET, while India does so as well, with dossiers . India TSP equal equal onlee is the messsage TSP wants to send through this tit for tat circus.

[surinder]

Surinder, buried bodies can be exhumed and re-examined unlike cremated bodies. One can never tell how science pans out. A relative of the dead guys may have his blood sample taken and compared against existing samples an revalidated against an exhumed specimen if there are doubts.

Shiv, I somehow do no think that this is the reason why these roaches were burried and not burnt. If this is the real reason, then it is far better to not even bury them, just keep them frozen (as they had been kept for over a year). The cost of freezing them is a small cost for a nation like India.

Also, you can cut them up and store/freeze some parts of them for future forensic reasons, and burn the rest of them. And more important than that Advertise the fact that these roaches were given the Hindu funeral bye bye. This is bound to have a deterring effect on the those contemplating shadaatized, especailly the village folks, which is what they were. (Quite obviusly the the IM"s would be OK too)

[nithish]

New Delhi-Lahore bus brings fake currency

For the first time since the start of New Delhi-Lahore bus service, fake Indian currency with a face value of Rs 2.85 lakh was seized on Wednesday from an elderly lady passenger at the border in Attari.

The fake currency notes in the denomination of Rs 500 and Rs 1000 were detected in the possession of 62-year-old Bano Begum, a resident of Delhi, who was returning from Lahore by the bus, an officer at the border said. She was carrying the notes in an especially created cavity of a dinner set, he said.

Though fake currency is almost routinely seized in the Samjhauta Express train, it is for the first time that an international passenger was caught while trying to smuggle fake Indian currency from Pakistan by the bus, Intelligence sources said.

However, a packet of heroin with a street value of nearly Rs one crore was found in Lahore-New Delhi bus two days back prompting customs and immigration authorities at the border to step up vigil as they checked all buses coming from Pakistan, they said.
The Customs Department had intelligence inputs that Pakistan-based smugglers could try to push in fake currency and drug by the bus, officials at the border said.

[Rangudu]

JEM

You have the wrong address.

Download the document from here

[vera_k]

There were some suggestions about burying them alongwith a pig. That's probably better than cremation as it doesn't allow them to take refuge in the RSS/VHP did 26/11 theory.

[shiv]

Advertise the fact that these roaches were given the Hindu funeral bye bye. This is bound to have a deterring effect on the those contemplating shadaatized, especailly the village folks, which is what they were. (Quite obviusly the the IM"s would be OK too)

Surinder this is a game that can be played any which way in Pakistan.

For one thing the news of cremation will not get through. Secondly the fact of cremation will serve as "proof" that the Mumbai attackers were all Hindu. The idea that bodies can be cremated ("desecrated") can be used to indoctrinate more people. Also the indoctrination is such that the person is told that he will be in jannat the moment the first drop of blood falls on the ground in the case of a martyr's death and what happens to the body is immaterial. Allah has already reserved the highest place for him who has served him well.

Finally there is a continuous cost in maintaining 9 bodies in a freezer. After 4 or 5 years you will find that the total cost in preserving 9 dead Pakis will have been more than the compensation paid to the relatives of the dead victims.

There is a definite legal reason for preferring burial over cremation that transcends the short term pleasure of burning the bodies. Besides - you could argue the other way and say the real way for a soul to move on is for the old body to be purified/reclaimed by agni and the ashes to spread on the earth.

I have actually earned money in the UK as a young doctor signing certificates that there is nothing suspicious about a death allowing the body to be cremated. The doctors certificate is a legal requirement and if there is any suspicion that the remains may need re examination, burial is the way. In the UK lots of people are cremated because of shortage/expense of space.

Technically one could embalm the bodies with formaldehyde as they used to do for dead bodies in medical college anatomy departments. The bodies survive on tables at ambient temperatures for years. But when specimens have been obtained from every organ and pickled in jars what do you do with the body?

If the relatives accept a body - it goes to them. Unclaimed bodies go to anatomy dissection halls or for research. If the body is unclaimed and associated with a medicolegal case that is not solved, then it is better to bury rather than burn. Burial in a known place will make the place a mausoleum. Burial with no rites in an unpublicised area is sensible IMO

[SSridhar]

Fallacies of Nationalism

India had recognised the rights of diverse nationalities to a great extent. Many provinces were created to accommodate the historical background, cultures and languages of the people of various regions. Some critics still hold that India has not gone far enough in this direction to recognise the rights of the nations living within its boundaries. However, the Indian set-up was much more realistic than Pakistani centralism. Despite acceptance of diversity, Indian patriotism has not suffered in any way. Therefore, by recognising the diverse cultural identities that Pakistani nationalities have or transferring more rights to the provinces, nationalism or patriotism is not going to suffer. As a matter of fact it may strengthen because every nationality will feel that it is getting its due share in the federation. However, following the Indian or South African models requires conscious efforts for the creation of a new national identity that is not solely based on religion.

Won't it then undercut the very and the only single premise on which the artificial entity of Pakistan was created ? Jinnah said of Muslims thus, to Gandhi ‘We are a nation with our own distinctive culture and civilization, language and literature, art and architecture, names and nomenclature, sense of value and proportions, legal laws and moral codes, customs and calendar, history and tradition, aptitudes and ambitions, in short we have our own distinctive outlook on life and of life. By all canons of International Law we are a nation’

[Brad Goodman]

If India had the gumption, it should have burned the bodies, instead of burying them. The faithfools have an aversion to being burned, and consider that their shahadaat has been compromised.

If you want an Indian precedent for this, here is one: Maharaja Ranjit Singh's in his war with Pashtuns, burned the ghazis's bodies, causing serious loss of morale amongst the faithfool jihedees who considered burning un0zlamic.

I am not sure how true it is but I have heard that Russians used the same tactics in Chechniya where they burried bodies wrapped in pig skin to ensure no jehadi can reach jannat now this his body is impure.

Also since paki army routinely desecrates bodies of our soilders caught example Capt Saurav Kalia and the soilders caught by Iliyas Kashmiri this would have been a reminder that we can do the same.

[surinder]

We bury the those who get 72 while crossing the LOC too. We could either cremate them, or cut them up and use their cadavers in medical colleges all over India. The mother or father of the shaheead in Gujranwal would have the satisfaction of knowing that the output of their w0mb, the great ghazi/shaheeed son is now in 200 pieces in various medical colleges all over India helping the yindoo kaafirs become better doctors.

I have to mention that we must try to imagine ourselves in the shoes of those cultures taht are used to burying ... how the corpse is dealt with is very critical to them.

[RamaY]

There were some suggestions about burying them alongwith a pig. That's probably better than cremation as it doesn't allow them to take refuge in the RSS/VHP did 26/11 theory.

Why do you want to kill a pig along with and for Pakis? Pakis are not worth another life in any form or shape.

[Vikas]

If India had the gumption, it should have burned the bodies, instead of burying them. The faithfools have an aversion to being burned, and consider that their shahadaat has been compromised.

If you want an Indian precedent for this, here is one: Maharaja Ranjit Singh's in his war with Pashtuns, burned the ghazis's bodies, causing serious loss of morale amongst the faithfool jihedees who considered burning un0zlamic.

I am not sure how true it is but I have heard that Russians used the same tactics in Chechniya where they burried bodies wrapped in pig skin to ensure no jehadi can reach jannat now this his body is impure.

Also since paki army routinely desecrates bodies of our soilders caught example Capt Saurav Kalia and the soilders caught by Iliyas Kashmiri this would have been a reminder that we can do the same.

Is there any historical proof/narrative that proves the point made above. Once you are declared a shaheed, it hardly matters what happens to your body. By the same count, Muslims should have been scared of becoming Air-force Pilots or join armoured division as odds of ending up in dust and ashes is pretty high in that case.
Moreover I don't think the people in Pakistan really believe that 26/11 terrorists were Muslims, so burning the bodies would hardly send a message to people who should be getting this message nor it would deter higher echoloens of PA/LeT as for them,26/11 perpetrators were
one more pawn in this grand battle.

@Surinder -> Good to see you back

[shravan]

Powerful explosion heard in Islamabad
Wednesday, April 07, 2010

ISLAMABAD: A powerful explosion has happened at Sector F-7 near Girls College in Islamabad, Geo reported Wednesday.

According to reports, the explosion took place in a car.

However, no causality was reported in the incident, DIG Police said.

[Ameet]

Lots of info and summary on recent Paki history, current environment and also some old timers views on the partition - article by by Fisk

Shadow lands: Pakistan - a nation under attack

American drones overhead, Taliban troops on the offensive, and the horrifying rise of child kidnapping – Pakistan is in pieces, writes Robert Fisk, in a devastating portrait of a country thwarted by violence and corruption

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 36507.html

[svinayak]

With US a hyperpower with a defence budget of $1T do you want to give excuses. Come on

There is a Panchatantra story somewhere in this. $1T does buy you a lot of tanks, planes and ammunition, but without buddhi - strategic clarity, understanding of the ground realities, and so on - it will not buy much more than that.

But in the modern world the same power can fake it that it is without buddhi - this is a strategic plan by itself. If others buy it then it will work.

As for Afghanistan, it is now quite clear that the United States went in without a comprehensive plan for winning the war beyond the military ouster of the Taliban. This was evident in its shift of focus from Afghanistan to Iraq, a completely unnecessary war. There was no concerted effort at ensuring the socioeconomic rehabilitation of the country after decades of war, or even on forming a coalition with all the countries in the region, including India, China and Iran to help stabilize the situation.

Further, the US failed to pro-actively help Pakistan transform its own army and Frontier Corps into a counterinsurgency force by equipping and training it for that purpose. Having been in a kind of reactive mode since 2001, it is only recently that it realized that it did not even know what was happening to all the money it had given to Pakistan.