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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Yogi_G » 23 Feb 2012 18:23

The Rudra would definitely need to field the RWR and counter measure dispensers. There were reports of both being fitted and tested by IAI on the Dhruv but is there any confirmation that they would definitely be part of the Rudra as standard equipment considering its role?

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby VinodTK » 24 Feb 2012 06:07

India eyes more Kazan Mi-17 V5 helicopters
BANGALORE, India, Feb. 23 (UPI) -- India is looking to buy 71 more Russian-made Mi-17 V5 helicopters on top of the 80 on order from the manufacturer Kazan Helicopters.

Indian Defense Minister A. K. Antony formally inducted the first batch of Mi-17 V5 medium-lift choppers into the air force last week, the Press Trust of India reported.

India signed the contract with Kazan in 2008 to supplement its existing fleet of around 150 Mi-8 and Mi-17 helicopters used for cargo and for VIP transport, the PTI report said.

Of the 71 helicopters in the new order, 59 would be for the air force to replace Mi-8 and Mi-17 V aircraft and six would be for border security forces. The remaining six would be sent to police forces around the country, an unnamed air force official told PTI.

Around 60 percent of the Indian air force's 800 helicopters are Russian-made, inducted between 1971 and 2003, a Defense News report said.

The majority of India's military helicopters, nearly 78 percent, are light or medium lift and include the Cheetah, Chetak and Mi series, which are slated for replacement, Defense News said.

Kazan Helicopters, with headquarters in Kazan, capital city the Russian Federation's Republic of Tatarstan, began exporting helicopters in 1956, the company Web site says. More than 3,800 of all variants and series have been delivered to overseas customers and more.

Kazan has made more than 11,000 of the Mi-8 and Mi-17 variants, the company says.

The Mi-17 V aircraft have two Isotov Klimov TV3-117 VM turboshaft engines that offer a cruising speed of around 140 mph and a maximum speed of almost 190 mph.

Maximum internal load is 8,820 pounds and the maximum external load on a sling is 9,920 pounds. In passenger configuration, the Mi-17 carries up to 36 people.

Kazan also makes the larger variants, the Mi-26 with a payload capacity of 20 tons, and the offensive gunship and anti-tank variants, Mi-25 and Mi-35.

As part of the military's replacement program, the Indian army has on order the attack version of the indigenously built advanced light helicopter Rudra, a heavily armed version of the utility helicopter Dhruv, built by Hindustan Aeronautics in Bangalore.

The Dhruv entered service in 2002 and around 160 are believed to have been ordered by the army and navy, a PTI report in September said.

The Dhruv project was announced in 1984 when Hindustan Aeronautics began designing the aircraft with assistance from the German aerospace company Messerschmitt-Bolkow-Blohm.

The Dhruv helicopter carries up to 12 passenger and two pilots sitting side by side, with a maximum takeoff weight of 12,125 pounds. Maximum speed of 180 mph is from two Shakti turboshaft engines or two Turbomeca TM 333-2B2 turboshaft engines. Service ceiling is around 27,500 feet.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby srai » 24 Feb 2012 06:11

Singha wrote:if it cannot fly with some payload beyond 17,000ft it cannot fly over the series of high passes along the manali road to demchok region and neither can it deploy from Leh area over the Khardung la to nubra valley/daulat beg oldie or over Chang la to the pangong tso lake region. all of these are 17000ft+

and since neither the C130J or AN32 flying into the ALGs like DBG or Demchok can carry this baby even with rotors removed, it cannot be airlifted in.

I am skeptical if it can be put on a trailer and road carried there whether for a permanent base or wartime fwd basing.

in short it looks totally useless for Ladakh.
what exact value does it add vs TSP that a combo of WSI and LCH cannot impart - IAF/IA are afterall getting their choice of imported weapons like mistral and atgm.

not sure what kind of obstacles are there to deploying from north bengal to north sikkim ....

I am afraid such a expensive purchase that cannot be deployed vs our biggest problem is a useless purchase - would be better to just buy more 40 more LCH for the cost of 22 apaches. Nag mmw is also in works, so matter of time before we get Helina mmw.


These 22 Apaches are direct replacement for the 22 Mi-25/35 in the IAF fleet. The primary reason why the IAF is going for the Apaches is that it is a proven platform and there is somewhat urgent replacement need for the Mi-25/35 as they are approaching end-of-their-lives.

On the other hand, the LCH, the first combat helicopter being indigenously developed, is still in R&D, which means there is a very high risk of delays, challenges etc. to the program; it may not be ready in time for the Mi25/35 replacement. If there are long delays to the LCH program, the IAF will likely purchase another batch of 22 Apaches. This is a lesson that the IAF learned the hard way with another indigenous program LCA, where the delays in the program caused overall fleet downsizing as the aircrafts that were supposed to be replaced by the new type could no longer have their life-extended. With the contingency plan of acquiring 22 Apaches, a proven commodity, the IAF can continue to retain its force levels until the LCH will be ready.

You can see this approach being taken on the purchase of Primary Trainer and LOH.
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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby VinodTK » 24 Feb 2012 06:18

India chopper deal figures in Italy graft investigation
A probe by Italian prosecutors into allegations of corruption against state-backed defence major Finmeccanica has cast a shadow over a multi-million dollar deal that the company signed with India for 12 VVIP helicopters.
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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby member_22539 » 24 Feb 2012 09:16

VinodTK wrote:India chopper deal figures in Italy graft investigation
A probe by Italian prosecutors into allegations of corruption against state-backed defence major Finmeccanica has cast a shadow over a multi-million dollar deal that the company signed with India for 12 VVIP helicopters.
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I won't mind if this deal gets shafted :D, about time the veeeyepees get to know what a pain in the ass delays can be, just like our brave soldiers.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Bala Vignesh » 24 Feb 2012 09:38

^^ Second that...

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby JTull » 24 Feb 2012 18:35

My understanding was that IAF provides aircraft for VIP duties. In the absence of dedicated VIP craft, it would depute other aircraft which might have other operational roles. I don't expect neta-log to travel less because of lack of aircraft. So it might be better to have more VIP aircraft (promptly available) so IAF's operations aren't affected. It is a completely different matter if the VIP butts prefer the soft leather cushioned seats or the rugged ones.

Just my guess.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Kersi D » 24 Feb 2012 19:18

Arun Menon wrote:
VinodTK wrote:India chopper deal figures in Italy graft investigation
A probe by Italian prosecutors into allegations of corruption against state-backed defence major Finmeccanica has cast a shadow over a multi-million dollar deal that the company signed with India for 12 VVIP helicopters.
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I won't mind if this deal gets shafted :D, about time the veeeyepees get to know what a pain in the ass delays can be, just like our brave soldiers.


:D :D :D :D :D

Why can't they buy a few more Mi 17 in VIP configuration ? When it comes to arms / ammunition, Rodina is always present but for transporting the delicate arses of VIP, we need a western aircraft with capitalistic comforts. I undertsand that US has cancelled its Marine On order for the EH 101 (US version) and is going for upgrading the existing aircraft. IF TFTA vcan do it why not SDRE ?
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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby vic » 24 Feb 2012 19:53

I think for high altitude CAS we need a fixed wing aircraft capable of slow flying rather than helos. We should adapt LCA, IJT for the role and in future develop a CAS variant of AJT=CAT

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Bala Vignesh » 24 Feb 2012 20:05

Vicji,
While I personally agree that we need to develop a CAS capable AJT, I believe that nothing comes close to an attack helicopter when it comes to CAS. The chopper has the benefit of operating from the second echelon lines while jets(except for the harrier) are restricted to airfields that are well behind the front lines. This also effects the bird's time on station as they can hang around for quite some time before heading back to refuel and/or re-arm. Then there is also a matter of accuracy with which fire is bought to bear against the engaged target which is significantly high for an attack helicopter.
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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 24 Feb 2012 20:09

good point Kersi D, even the Obamas are into austerity these days (relatively speaking).

we have good reliable HW (Mi17V) and a guy who always want to create a splash and pimp out the ride to the wildest extent.

I hereby submit that DC Design be given the sole contract to upgrade the VVIP Mi17V to capitalistic stds.

http://www.infibeam.com/static/dcdesign ... r-car.html

he will likely source the interior stuff from the same places that eurocopter does but not at 1000% markup which eurocopter will surely take

in any case both our future commanders in chief are fit to hyperfit - Yuvraj and Vadra sir :oops: -- they could easily ride the basic Mi17 with no ill effect

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Austin » 24 Feb 2012 22:31

Well to be fair the EH-101 is a more modern chopper , has 3 engine which means more reliability , can carry heavier payload and yes comes with all the comfort and safety that the latest and best Western chopper can offer.

No doubt PMO had decided to buy EH-101 over any thing out there as any elite in any country given a choice would choose the best ..... for US not choosing EH-101 its more a question of lobby and choosing what is made in the country.

As far as Mi-17 goes the Russian president uses Mi-8 variant ( export designation Mi-17 ) for VIP roles and perhaps will continue to use it till Mi-38 takes over.

Here are some pics of Presidential Mi-17

Mi-8
Interiors

Kazan also offer some Business Class/VIP Mi-17
http://imagery.vnfawing.com/archive/Hel ... 593937.jpg

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby nachiket » 25 Feb 2012 05:55

Austin wrote:As far as Mi-17 goes the Russian president uses Mi-8 variant ( export designation Mi-17 ) for VIP roles and perhaps will continue to use it till Mi-38 takes over.

Here are some pics of Presidential Mi-17

Mi-8

I didn't get you. The Mi-8 and Mi-17 are two different helicopters. the "17" is not an export designation. Or is it different for this version?

The helo in the pic is an Mi-17 not Mi-8. Easiest way to spot is the tail rotor. The 17 has the tail rotor on the port side instead of starboard.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Austin » 25 Feb 2012 09:36

Mi-17 is just an export designation of the internal Mi-8MT/MTV and other advanced variant.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Philip » 25 Feb 2012 10:37

I endorse Kersi and others on this issue.Firstly,the number of these VVIP helos is profligate.12.Even the US which wanted the same for "Marine Corps 1",found the aircraft too expensive and as of now it stands cancelled/shelved.If one remembers right,Mrs.Gandhi used Alouette-3s for her helo trips.OK,a twin-engined aircraft is safer agreed,and it is fact that the MI-8/17 medium helo is the most widely used helo in the world,even used by NATO forces (leased) in Af-Pak.Two air shows ago,there was at one of the Russian pavilions,a brochure giving the interior layouts/pics of MI-17s in VVIP configuration.I think I may have somewhere in my archives a CD of the same,will post pics if ever found.The interiors were most luxurious,absolute 5*+ std., and a revelation as to how far the Russians had improved the quality of aircraft interior design (Sukhoi Superjet too for instance ),perhaps the design was outsourced to a European supplier. Given the huge number if MI-17s in service and on order for the IAF,it would've been most cost-effective to have ordered VVIP versions which would be easier to operate too.We will now have the dubious distinction of operating such a large number of VVIP helos superior to what even the US pres. uses!

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 25 Feb 2012 10:56

I agree Philip, the servicing of Mi17VVIP would be much easier for HAL.

Khan's marine1 is a special overstrength sqdn - I believe its a mix of CH53, UH60 and SeaKing(whatever the green paint land version is called) and consists around 45 airframes, most of which are based near DC but some may be elsewhere for short haul trips in other parts of the vast country. they are looked after quite well.
when POTUS goes overseas, some of these helis are also put onboard C5 or C17 and airlifted onsite if he is going out of town like say delhi to jaipur.

for a minor league visit like that to India (delhi and hyd), there were 70 x heavy airlift flights just to bring in his kit and kaboodle :)

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby VinodTK » 25 Feb 2012 20:57

New choppers for Bagdogra base
KOLKATA: In keeping with the government's policy to upgrade military infrastructure in the eastern and northeastern parts of the country, the newly acquired multi-purpose Mi-5 V5 helicopters have been stationed at the IAF's base at Bagdogra in north Bengal. These helicopters were inducted into the IAF last week in Delhi.

The first batch of helicopters was received and inducted into the Eastern Air Command at Bagdogra by Air Vice Marshal KS Gill, Senior Officer Administration, EAC.

These helicopters are an upgraded version of the Mi-17 choppers already in use by the Indian Air Force. They have highly automated avionics, multi-functional displays, sophisticated navigation systems and a range of weapons that can be used during combat mode. Their powerful engines will enable the armed forces to react quickly in high altitudes.

"The new helicopters have special night vision capabilities that enable them to carry out low-altitude operations even when it is pitch dark. The weather radar on board gives it all-weather capability. For several years now, the Special Forces have been practicing night operations in difficult terrain the the North East. These helicopters will be ideal for such operations, even if they are carried out in high altitude terrain," an official said.

Bagdogra is one of the most crucial air bases in the eastern part of the country due to its strategic location. It is located close to the narrow 'chicken neck' region that connects the North East to the rest of the country. The role of the air base will be crucial in the case of an attempt to cut off the North East from the remaining part of the country.

Apart from defensive purposes, the air base has an important role to play during disasters - natural or otherwise. After the earthquake in Sikkim, all air operations were conducted from Bagdogra. Mi-17 choppers had to be brought in from Assam then as Bagdogra only had the smaller Chetaks and Cheetahs.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby aniket » 26 Feb 2012 14:31

Note the Mi 5 v5 in the second line.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Victor » 27 Feb 2012 00:20

VinodTK wrote: 12 VVIP helicopters

What the heck is a "VVIP"? Are service chiefs also VVIPs or are they merely lower-tier VIPs along with the DC, DTO, RDO, Tehsildar etc?

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Postby Rakesh » 27 Feb 2012 01:07

VVIP = Very, Very Important Person. Usually accorded for heads of state and may also be service chiefs.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Philip » 27 Feb 2012 14:25

Yes Singha,after visits by B.Hussein O.,our worthies have lobserved closely and have gotten fresh ideas on how to pamper their precious backsides.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby member_22906 » 27 Feb 2012 21:22

My only concern with the VVIP Helicopter scam is that St. Anthony may just get an excuse to shaft important defence procurements. I personally give a big $hit whether this deal goes thru or not, but not at the cost of important ones

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby VinodTK » 04 Mar 2012 20:16

Sikorsky offers military choppers to India
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Sikorsky's Executive Vice President for India and South Asia, Air Vice Marshal Arvind Jeet Singh Walia (retd), told India Strategic defence magazine (www.indiastrategic.in) that at present the offer was to make a naval variant of the famous Black Hawk, designated MH-70B Sea Hawk, if the Indian Navy opts to buy this aircraft.

The Indian Navy should have a requirement for more than 100 helicopters of this type, and if the Sea Hawk is chosen, there would be appreciable Transfer of Technology and manufacturing capability to India, subject of course to an agreement between the Indian and US Governments.

If selected, the MH-70B could be co-produced in India under what is called the Buy-and-Make category of the defence ministry's Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP), he said.

At present, the navy has an RfP (Request for Proposals or tender) for 16 helicopters with an option for eight more twin-engine, 12.5 tonne category helicopters. But there are indications for nearly a 100 more, Walia said, adding: "The technical and financial evaluation process is on and a decision is due any time."
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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby haryanvi » 05 Mar 2012 14:49

Came across this news item in today's Tribune. Felt quite pleased with the contents. According to the report, if the Defence Ministry grants Tata-Sikorsky JV company the license it is seeking, as much as 80% of S-92/H-92 will be produced in India. That seems better than the local content on Dhruv! At present, they're only producing the cabins whose rate of production is being increased to 36 per year. Here's the report:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120305/nation.htm#9

Considering the quality issues associated with Dhruv cabins, may be HAL can outsource their production to these guys.
Does any one know how the H-92 compares with Mi-17s? It may be a good idea to fulfil future military requirements for medium helos from this venture.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Virupaksha » 06 Mar 2012 06:44

80% of components when by value will be 5% of value, because the engine component, the blade technology component, the transmission component etc will be imported lock, stock and barrel, where as the screwdriver component, each screw component, the door plastic component will be "indigenous" - in other words the screw driver technology. I thought we are past that.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Kartik » 06 Mar 2012 13:44

What disappoints me is that while Sikorsky will utilise TASL's facilities to build the S-92, the MoD will not force HAL to offload some of the huge work load they have currently. TASL could easily be given work related to LUH and whatever heli the IAF chooses for its light utility role, either the Fennec or the Ka-226. TASL could also be roped in for production of the LCH, with HAL being the prime integrator. HAL seems to want to keep all the major work to itself, outsourcing only small quantities of work to small private companies..and all the while we keep seeing it sliding every single deadline to the right.

Perhaps the earlier GoI divests its shares in HAL, the better.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby akimalik » 06 Mar 2012 14:08

Kartik wrote:HAL seems to want to keep all the major work to itself

on a lighter vein, perhaps we should read Sir Humphrey's notes on the DAA in "Yes Minister" :-)

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Kailash » 14 Mar 2012 21:55

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PROBE IN PROCUREMENT OF 12 VVIP HELICOPTERS

There was a media report stating that the scope of a probe by Italian prosecutors into allegations against unethical dealings by M/s Finmeccanica, Italy has widened to include the Indian contract signed with M/s Agusta Westland for purchase of 12 helicopters. Ministry of Defence asked for a report in the matter from the Indian Embassy in Rome. The report received indicates that Italian magistrate/prosecutors are conducting preliminary investigation about allegations of financial mal-practices occurring within M/s Finmeccanica, Italy and its subsidiaries in general and there is no specific probe being conducted about India related transactions.


AVAILABILITY OF HELICOPTERS FOR HIGH ALTITUDE AREAS

The air logistics including casualty evacuation in emergent situations of Indian Army is being met by Indian Air Force (IAF) helicopters. The Army's rotary wing assets also assist the IAF.

A Request for Proposal (RFP) / for hiring of civil helicopters for movement of maintenance supplies in high altitude areas was issued in October 2011, which included details of dispatch and receiving helipads.

The security situation is reviewed by the Government from time to time, keeping in view the threat perception. This is a continuous process.


HELICOPTERS EMPLOYED IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES

The Indian Air Force helicopters are assisting in providing logistics support in aid of Ministry of Home Affairs anti-naxal operations.

Details of helicopters pressed in service in the foreign countries cannot be divulged in the interest of friendly relations with foreign countries and strategic concerns.

PURCHASE OF LUHS

There is a proposal of procurement of 187 Light Utility Helicopters (LUHs) under design and development project undertaken by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The project was sanctioned by Government of India in February 2009. The project is proceeding as per approved time lines.

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Postby Indranil » 14 Mar 2012 22:34

Pic courtesy Sourabh Joshi (at Indian aviation expo 2012):
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There is a cap on the rotor of the ALH NAVY. I have not seen this before. Does anybody know the reason? Folding of blades?

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Postby sum » 15 Mar 2012 08:18

^^ Noticed a Naval ALH flying around yesterday with something slung underneath it. New version of SV-2000 being tested?
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Postby Bala Vignesh » 15 Mar 2012 09:04

^^^Where did you see the Naval version?? I saw a couple of Army ALH's doing circuits over Malleshvaram and Ulsoor Lake...

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Postby sum » 15 Mar 2012 09:17

^^ Saw there over the Sarjapur ORR....looked like the wheeled version and so surmised it was naval version ( since couldn't make out the colour of the chopper)

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Postby Bala Vignesh » 15 Mar 2012 10:27

Must have been a typo, Martenji. I guess he wanted to say ALH and it came out LCH.

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Postby sum » 15 Mar 2012 10:29

Sorry about that onlee..meant ALH.

The LCH has been running in my mind since i saw it last week with its metallic gray + tiger stripes combo. Still not been able to figure out if that was the TD-3 or the TD-2 repainted from its original digital camo?

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby VinodTK » 03 Apr 2012 04:02

Sikorsky-Tata joint venture applies for defence licence
US-based chopper manufacturer Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation, part of United Technologies Corp, and Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL) have applied for a defence licence to manufacture components and assemble helicopters for use by the Indian Navy, according to Steve Estill, vice-president (strategic partnerships), Sikorsky.

“The licence will pave the way for us to set up an assembly line in this country. We will decide on our plans once we hear from the Ministry of Defence. We expect our application to be cleared from the ministry in the second quarter of this financial year,” he told mediapersons here on Monday.
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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Hari Nair » 07 Apr 2012 18:46

A couple of recent pics of TD-2 just before a test flight
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a pic in the cockpit of an ALH during a recent flight test at high altitude somewhere in the clear skies over Bangalore!
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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby adityadange » 07 Apr 2012 18:52

Hari Nair wrote:A couple of recent pics of TD-2 just before a test flight
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a pic in the cockpit of an ALH during a recent flight test at high altitude somewhere over the clear skies over Bangalore!
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great! looks like IFR probe is in place now. what is the pylon yellow like thing at the bottom of forward fuselage?
and i thought they have moved the landing gear assembly inside the body.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Hari Nair » 07 Apr 2012 19:11

That's not an "IFR Probe" (not sure if there's any such thing)- its an airspeed calibration probe. It sticks out clear beyond the "dirty" air under the main rotor and measures the airspeed.
The Yellow pylon mounted things are (temporarily located) aircraft airspeed probes.

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Re: LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread

Postby Kakarat » 07 Apr 2012 19:25

Looks like the Wings of LCH have also changed


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