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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Gerard » 11 Apr 2010 09:17

The following links are background articles on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:


Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/archive/nayyar_report.htm

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup
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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Pranav » 11 Apr 2010 09:28

Link to last page of previous incarnation of this thread, in the trash can archive: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5436&start=2840

BTW, does all this piousness get lost and deleted forever?

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Postby Vikas » 11 Apr 2010 09:35

What is with this line of thought where Jingos think that MMS would barter away Kashmir for Nobel Piss prize. Where has the poor PM said anything along those lines except for regular sermons to all and sundry regarding how ready he is to smoke the peace pipe only if TSP would stop acting like a Fiend.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby putnanja » 11 Apr 2010 09:55

Pak cable operators start broadcasting IPL again

Bowing to public demand, the Cable Operators Association of Pakistan has started broadcasting the Indian Premier League after boycotting the first half of the event due to the snub given to the country’s cricketers at the IPL auction.
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When no action was taken by the federal sports ministry or the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority, the cable networks brought the Indian sports channel back to the top of their list this week.

“Bookies are stronger than the government and CAP,” said CAP official Shahzad Khan
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“My staff received countless calls from across Lahore when we put the Indian channel showing IPL matches (towards the bottom of our list of channels). The viewers want us to place the channel higher on the list so that they do not miss a single match,” Khan told PTI
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According to a senior police official, billions of rupees have been staked on the IPL matches.

“The book is being operated from Dubai and it is not easy to lay a hand on the people involved in this business here,” the official said.

Asad Afridi, a Lahore punter, said: “It has become a profitable business for those who know how to stake money on cricket matches. I spent two years learning this art and I have so far made Rs 500,000 by betting on the IPL matches.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby chetak » 11 Apr 2010 10:05

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/630 ... -fold.html



Three global financial firms fold up operations in Pakistan
Islamabad, Apr 10 (PTI):

As many as three global financial firms, including Citibank, Credit Suisse Group and JP Morgan have abandoned their brokerage operations in Pakistan's financial capital Karachi amid the nation's bleak economic situation, says a media report.


Citigroup has closed its equity research office in Karachi in March. However, the spokesperson of the US-based bank declined to comment on the development.

Switzerland-based Credit Suisse Group also shut down its research operations in the port city earlier this year, and that followed JPMorgan Chase's decision in late 2008 to suspend its brokerage operations in Karachi, the Wall Street Journal reported.

A spokeswoman for Credit Suisse said the bank closed its research division but was covering Pakistan companies from Singapore.

JPMorgan retains a seat on the Karachi exchange but is not active in Pakistan, a spokesman said.

The report described the closures as a "further blow" to Pakistan's financial community at a time when the country's finances are struggling.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby ArmenT » 11 Apr 2010 11:09

Pranav wrote:Link to last page of previous incarnation of this thread, in the trash can archive: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5436&start=2840

BTW, does all this piousness get lost and deleted forever?

Well, if you use the BRF Archiver program (400% guaranteed onlee to work on Windows 2000-Windows 7, Linux, Mac and Sun SPARC machines running any flavor of *BSD), you can archive the thread to your hard disk and you don't have to worry about losing any of the piousness if the thread gets deleted off the forum. Check the first post on the BR Forum Feedback thread for how to get this program.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby SSridhar » 11 Apr 2010 11:24

Pranav wrote:BTW, does all this piousness get lost and deleted forever?

As in Pakistan, so in this thread, the more pious always slaughter the less pious. A new thread on TSP is always guaranteed to be more pious than the earlier one.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby svinayak » 11 Apr 2010 11:43

http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/ ... old-start/
Western media survives by hype and sensationalizing. The authors in this forum are no different. They grow up through that system. They come from outside in and therefore lack the real perspective that we all have by growing up in the system. We have personal experience by being born and growing in it. They see it with a perspective that is skewed by their own upbringing. For example, the concept of India as one unit was a perspective from the time of the Greeks. Just like Africa appears as one entity to most of us, Africans can tell otherwise. India itself was made into one unit and kept as one by the British. I have read articles by the old British colonial masters who looked surprised about lack of patriotism amongst “Indians”. This is because they saw it as one nation.

Divide up the natives and turn them against each other to gain advantage has been their method and it has worked very well. The division of India and Pakistan, the support of regimes that sustained the antagonism and increase of the divide etc are still the same methods in operation. Only their safety and lives are important. So they write whatever would tilt things in their favor. The natives are still naive and fall for their patronage. If you read these articles you will see that they pretty much convey the same strategies of the Western powers. I have never seen one criticism of their own people and governments.

If if you read from the old articles here you will find their messages shifting from one extreme to another. First it is India’s fault, then it is Pakistan’s fault, then the road to Kabul runs through Kashmir, then it is only Af-Pak, then Taliban are nice guys after all, then Kashmir is still a problem, then India should wind down in Afghanistan, then Kashmir problem is really a water problem, and so on. There is no consistency or ethics involved. It is all propaganda of the Western powers coming through “independent” agencies like these.


You must take their words with a pinch of salt. Have you observed one thing here – they write something and let the Indians and Pakistanis run over each other with old issues that have no relevance to what they write. This clearly tells how in various ways we all are being manipulated. There are good things on both sides and we must try to share those things to come out of this mess. Relying on these people gives them an air of superiority.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Anujan » 11 Apr 2010 12:21

Now on the lighter vein. Whole lot of LOLs about this news report on Pakistan's fashion show. The "innovative clothes" consist of...wait for it...wimmens in sarees with jasmine flowers in their hair. Reminded me of an exotic place of a bygone era - Like a chennai bus stand yesterday afternoon at 12. Cut to an auntiji with huge sunglasses reinforcing the message "Pakistan has got talent".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSyIuqlcLc

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby biswas » 11 Apr 2010 12:35

Anujan wrote:Now on the lighter vein. Whole lot of LOLs about this news report on Pakistan's fashion show. The "innovative clothes" consist of...wait for it...wimmens in sarees with jasmine flowers in their hair. Reminded me of an exotic place of a bygone era - Like a chennai bus stand yesterday afternoon at 12. Cut to an auntiji with huge sunglasses reinforcing the message "Pakistan has got talent".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSyIuqlcLc


The models don't seem to know the first thing about modelling.

The auntieji has fashion sense y'know, everybody knows its cool to wear sunglasses indoors.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby negi » 11 Apr 2010 12:37

A lot of Karan Johar types in fashion world . :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby SSridhar » 11 Apr 2010 12:52

TSP Govt. will quiz AQ Khan at an 'appropriate time'

What about handing over the reported Indian support to Balochi rebels ? At an 'appropriate time'. AQ Khan ? At an 'appropriate time'. I think TSP is waiting for an 'auspicious time', not having forgotten their Hindu ancestry, perhaps.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby CRamS » 11 Apr 2010 13:02

SSridhar:

Before I forget, let me acknowledge the great insight you provided on Paki Taliban in the old TSP thread.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Nayak » 11 Apr 2010 13:23

Touching a raw nerve?

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -nerve-140

‘Let’s celebrate Pakistan Day’, I thought and wrote ‘Made in Pakistan’ for the March 23 week. I did not know that the column could elicit such loathing from across the border. “I think you forgot one thing, Pakistan exports terrorism, and the West pays her not to export it so it’s a win-win for Pakistan and every Pakistani should be proud of that,” mocked ‘One reader of your column’.

Another poison-tipped missile I got was from Prasad K. in India. “Pakistan and its people remind me repeatedly of the whiny little kid in a family that refuses to grow up. Even when this whiny kid is now separated and living all by itself, it blames its family, its neighbours, its friends, its enemies, just about everyone but itself, for all the troubles that are self-inflicted. India on the other hand is poised to take off. You can keep blowing each other up. Just don’t pull us into your quagmire.”


Whether or not these messages came from Bal Thackeray’s men, it’s clear they came from Pakistan-bashers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby negi » 11 Apr 2010 13:29

^ I see deplorable low life dhimmis trying to suck up to Bakis by pulling down on Ambanis vis a vis Premji as if they know them in person . And that Jinnah bit on Premji' s father was really :lol: , that shows the real Baki color i.e. :(( and blaming the events from distant past for their misery . :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Nayak » 11 Apr 2010 13:40

Veer, Zaara And Visa

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?265011

Most “Indo-Pak” couples prefer to live in “neutral” third countries—like Sania will do, when she sets up home in Dubai—but quite a few also take the harder route of settling down in the subcontinent. And discover, in the bargain, that the main problem in their married lives is not one of making friends, adjusting to a new culture, or winning over your mother-in-law. Rather, it is the State, in the form of the harsh visa regime followed by both countries, which makes no concessions for cross-border romance.

For the past eight years that she has lived in India, Zainab has had to renew her spouse visa every year, and must begin formalities for renewal three months in advance. Every time she leaves the city, she reports to the police and also informs them when she is back in town. “Travelling is hard within the country, we end up going abroad more often,” she says. But even going home to Pakistan is a fraught affair. “The last time we travelled to Pakistan, my husband and kids got their visas, but I, with my Pakistan passport, was on tenterhooks about whether I would get permission to leave. Till the last minute, my plans remained uncertain,” recalls Zainab.

And yet, personal bonds appear to prevail over national enmities, and hope over everyday bureaucratic ordeals, since quite a few cross-border couples, including some who did not want to be quoted for this story, seem to want to make their lives here. “The people, culture, concerns, chemistry are the same,” says Masooma. “Visas are not easy to get in India, but in the US and the UK, the cultural gaps are harder to negotiate,” she says.

Sonya believes India, as a bigger and more stable power than chaotic Pakistan, can show the way forward by making it easier for the Pakistani wives of Indian men to live and work here. “It can come up with more responsible policies,” she says. Personal restrictions have a larger resonance too, Rajiv points out. “South Asia is an important trading bloc. Such bureaucratic restrictions are prohibiting artistic alliances and business partnerships.” Not to mention tormenting those who’ve chosen the difficult path of a cross-border marriage.

Praise be to almighty for the mandarins for the rigorous visa stamping procedures.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Samay » 11 Apr 2010 13:44

while there is military exercise going on in pakistan where puki army will be near the border,they could try something heinous ..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby shiv » 11 Apr 2010 16:58

Samay wrote:while there is military exercise going on in pakistan where puki army will be near the border,they could try something heinous ..


More likely they will try something swineous - in keeping with their ancestry.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Hiten » 11 Apr 2010 17:30



what a truckload of pakistaniat being served in the article
“Mr Jinnah had asked billionaire Azim Premji’s father to stay back in India to look after the welfare of Muslims in India.


When Azim Premji’s father said no, and no again
Jinnah reportedly sought out Premji once again when he was forming the first cabinet in Pakistan to serve as his fnnance minister. But Premji rejected the offer and decided to stay on in India and nurture his oil business



http://www.indiajournal.com/pages/event.php?id=5921
The Premjis represent what Indian secularism should have been as envisioned by most Indians and not what is represented by the corrupt semi-literate Nehruvian leftists of the Congress Party, who spend more on vote-banks than terrorism. His late father, H.D. Premji, was an oil (vegetable) merchant in Bombay when India was partitioned. He rebuffed repeated urgings by Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan and a fellow Khoja, to become a minister in his new government. H.D. Premji told Jinnah that he did not want to live in a country (Pakistan) formed on the basis of religion. Azim Premji, a Stanford graduate, told the American journalist that he was overplaying “this Hindu-Muslim theme because we are all Indians.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby sum » 11 Apr 2010 19:27

The Taliban commander, who called The News from an undisclosed location, said Col Imam and his colleagues had spent a night with them in Mir Ali and interviewed Waliur Rehman. The next day, the commander said, the team left for the nearby South Waziristan under Taliban escort where they were still busy in their work. He dispelled rumours that Col Imam and his colleagues could have been kidnapped and were still missing.
“They trusted us and our people took them to our strongholds in South Waziristan where they are staying with us as guests,” the Taliban commander explained. He said their visit to Waziristan was planned and Taliban commanders were waiting for their arrival in Mir Ali. He said they knew Col Imam and his men were making a documentary for a foreign news channel and they happily consented to help them in their job as the Pakistani media had stopped covering their activities..

Could some guru kindly decode what the $#%^ is going on with these 2 ISI big daddies?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Altair » 11 Apr 2010 19:59

shiv wrote:
Samay wrote:while there is military exercise going on in pakistan where puki army will be near the border,they could try something heinous ..


More likely they will try something swineous - in keeping with their ancestry.


Pakis do their usual kind of stuff when our PM is in US or when some US dignitary is in India for maximum attention.
BTW how long did our guys say was the typical first response time to cold start?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Gagan » 11 Apr 2010 21:22

Shiv-ji is correct.
If I may decipher what he is trying to say. Possibility of another terrorist strike when the pak fauj is mobilized is high. More so when Umreekans and yindian leaders meet.

This is just pakistan's way of trying to make an == and try and disrupt the atmosphere a bit.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Bharath.Subramanyam » 11 Apr 2010 22:30

Inshallah, how did the maulanas in this forum miss this video?

"Results of Indian TV Channels - India Media War Against Pakistan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6AbRYaf58c




Can some one put the transcript of this urdu video ? Not able to understand every thing they speak.

Also can some moderator/senior member add this to the concerned thread so that it is saved for all posterity?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Prem » 11 Apr 2010 22:35

The Mullha in the Video is saying that watching Indian programmes reduces the hatred for Hindu and Hindu religion.
Here is another one of those Paki tale/tail, but no mention of Kashmir,
http://pakistanledger.com/2010/04/11/pa ... hitecture/

The Strategic US-Pakistani dialogue stopped the rudeness of US officials, however it did not produce any major results for Pakistan. All the pomp and ceremony played well for the Washington media gallery, but for Pakistani analysts, results is what matters. Mr. Mahmood Qureshi had emphasized results. If Pakistan does not get a Civilian Nuclear deal with Washington, it will not go well with the Pakistanis. The US would have made another strategic blunder which will haunt it for another generation.Washington needs to treat the Pakistanis with respect. For Pakistanis that means acceptance as a nuclear state, parity with Bharat, and recognition not criticism of its internal problems. Despite a major energy crisis, the US has not been able to bring any relief to the common man. The once pro-American elite is chagrined and alienated from the US.If a civil nuclear pact is reached between Pakistan and the US, China would face a little less pressure in responding to Pakistan’s requests for nuclear cooperation, he said.Yet, there will be more problems as far as the security situation in South Asia is concerned, he said.China-Pakistan ties have been a big concern for India. “Where will China-India relations go if China cooperates with Pakistan in civil nuclear deals?” Hu queried.“The situation is already complicated in South Asia. The US-Pakistan (likely) pact will only introduce more complexities,” Hu concluded. (ANI). US-Pak nuke deal will further complicate South Asian security, says Chinese expert
For Pakistan the best option is too go move full steam ahead and build the ECO, and join the SCO as a full fledged member. This would remove Pakistan as far away from Bharat as possible and keep it engaged in West Asia and the Greater Middle East

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Prem » 12 Apr 2010 00:53

Inner Pakistan in spotlight at Washington nuclear summit
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100411/ts_ ... outhasia_1

ISAMABAD (Reuters) – Pakistan will confront its reputation as a proliferator head-on this week when its prime minister addresses a global summit in Washington aimed at keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists.
Arch-rival India and other critics could however undercut Pakistan by reminding the world of its nuclear smuggling, highlighting the Taliban insurgency and fanning fears of a Muslim country in chaos where militants could seize atomic material."India will demand restrictions imposed on Pakistan's nuclear program," said Shahid-ur-Rehman, a Pakistani journalist and author of "Long Road to Chagai," a book on Pakistan's nuclear program."Their main stress will be on securing Pakistan's nuclear assets by the world," he told Reuters."Pakistan's efforts will be to counter that and convince them that our National Command Authority, which oversees the country's strategic assets, is very effective and that our nuclear assets are safe and secure."Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani will speak at the summit after meeting President Barack Obama on Sunday. There are no plans for Gilani and his Indian counterpart, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, to meet, although the leaders of the nuclear-armed rivals may have a brief "encounter."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby sanjaykumar » 12 Apr 2010 01:12

Pakistan will confront its reputation as a proliferator head-on this week when its prime minister addresses a global summit in Washington aimed at keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists.


I am sure it will be grand speech for the media.

A public master bhashan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Anujan » 12 Apr 2010 01:44

Apparently Altaf Hussain is seriously sick. Some speculate massive hemorrhage. SSridhar-ji, any speculations?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Prem » 12 Apr 2010 01:49

sanjaykumar wrote:Pakistan will confront its reputation as a proliferator head-on this week when its prime minister addresses a global summit in Washington aimed at keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists.
I am sure it will be grand speech for the media.
A public master bhashan.


And that too by Gilla ni. :lol:
The opening act
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBVsq9I24E

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Prem » 12 Apr 2010 06:19

Good Sarcasm!!
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=233852
Meeting India
Chris Cork
You don’t come across many Indians in Pakistan. In fact thinking back over my years here, I don’t think that before last Wednesday I had met any. As in none. In almost 17 years. I suppose there may have been Indians at various diplomatic events I have attended, but I never got introduced, and I had lived in an Indian-free environment —until suddenly I was having breakfast with one. There she was. Coffee and croissants, and smiling at me and asking how I was doing. There were others as well. Seemed perfectly ordinary. Full complement of limbs and digits. None of them wearing RAW t-shirts, toting weaponry or waving a sheaf of conspiracy theories. They seemed suspiciously normal, but I wasn’t fooled — not for a moment. I saw through the camouflage to the secret agenda beneath, the hidden hands working in the half light, the subtle nuancing of phrase and intonation, all designed to bring the state crashing down around our ears and usher in a….well, I wasn’t quite sure what it was going to usher in, but you could bet your last rupee it was going to be bad news for us Pakis.They were pretty damn good at it, these Indians. Had a whole roomful of people foxed for a couple of hours while a TV channel (probably run by the CIA and Mossad) filmed the whole thing for presentation as evidence at later treason trials. Come lunchtime and they were still at it. Outgoing and friendly, talking apparent sense (in order to cunningly mask the mind-games beneath), and some of them eating what looked suspiciously like…errr…meat.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Johann » 12 Apr 2010 06:22

Sum wrote:Can some kind soul kindly explain the meaning of the word "secular" to me( esp referred to in the bolded part)?


I just saw this, and I thought this is a very important question, because its important to look at how groups and movements can be 100% secular *and* 100% communal at the same time.

You can compare Bhindranwale's Sikh fundamentalist/theocratic Khalistan movement and the Congress Party. The Congress Party's ideology might be secular, but that secularism was no bar to a communal response to Indira Gandhi's assassination by her Sikh bodyguard.

Or for example, Buddhist religious chauvanism in Sri Lanka encouraged by Buddhist priests, versus the secular Singhala communalism of the Maoist JVP.

Communalism is often fundamentally about which community is dominant - and community can be defined along ethnic, religious, racial, or other lines.

So you can have religious communalism instigated by people are not practicing Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists/Christians, etc because of the political logic of power and power struggles.

In fact the very idea of the nation-state encourages communalism, because its based on the idea of conformity by people who have enough in common to form a coherent political entity.

Jinnah *may* have been secular (as Advani suggested), but he was committed to communalism, and so was the movement he helped build. That communalism has given way to the religious ideology used to mobilise communalism at the street level amongst the people who embraced the idea of Pakistan.

I think one could certainly say that there was a similar transition from the JKLF to HuM in Kashmir. The difference is that the transition from communalist Kashmiri nationalim to Pan-Islamism seems to have been driven by the desires of the Pakistani state rather than the Kashmiri Muslims. Many Kashmiris seem to have problems with the Indian state, but they also seem far less keen to participate in Pakistani based Pan-Islamist groups than Kashmiri nationalist groups. Otherwise Pakistan would not have had to send across so many Pakjabis, Pashtuns and other assorted types.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby anupmisra » 12 Apr 2010 06:22

No compliance, no money
Shape up or ship out.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has conveyed to Pakistan that the Fund is not an economic arm of the US and will not be influenced by Washington with regard to giving relief to the country. The Fund wants 100 per cent compliance from Pakistan on the issue of implementation of VAT from July 1 and power tariff raise from April 1.
During the Pak-US strategic dialogue, Islamabad had asked the US authorities to influence the IMF for a waiver in the power tariff increase of six per cent due from April 1 and the implementation of the VAT from July 1, 2010.
“Following this attempt of Pakistan, the IMF conveyed to Pakistan that it is not the economic arm of the US and wants 100 per cent implementation. Otherwise, it will take back its entire amount from Pakistan, as it did with Russia. So, implement the programme in letter and spirit,” a close aide to theadviser to the prime minister on finance and revenue told The News.
:((
Had the government been serious about implementing the VAT from the day one, it would have conducted a study on the subject whether it is inflationary or not and if it also suits Pakistan wherein the literacy rate is too low and agriculture is the main component of the economy.
:(( :((
Pakistan has failed to bring the net borrowing from the State Bank at zero at the end of the quarter, which is under review.
The government’s own survival lies in not raising the power tariff as the masses are already on the roads demonstrating against the government for want of electricity.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Guddu » 12 Apr 2010 06:49

anupmisra wrote:No compliance, no money
Shape up or ship out.
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Actually the IMF is an arm of US foreign policy, a lot of nudge-nudge, wink-wink goes on with the backing of the US govt. So if the IMF is going to stick with its guns, I would anticipate Kiyani would have to go on a budget and share the wealth, otherwise abdul will go berserk.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby shiv » 12 Apr 2010 06:54

Bharath.Subramanyam wrote:
Can some one put the transcript of this urdu video ? Not able to understand every thing they speak.

:lol: The program singles out Star TV for corrupting Pakistanis.

As an example they show a boy of five or so who is able to parody the actions of a Hindu (May Death, Impotence and Cholera be Upon Them) Priest. The boy also plays with a doll and says that the doll is pregnant - using the standard words for that in Bollywood "..maa ban ne waali hai" ("is about to be a mother"). And what is most interesting is that the young Paki boy then takes a smaller sized doll and stuffs it up between the legs of the bigger doll (who is pregnant) As you know very well - you and I as Hindus (May Death, Impotence and Cholera be Upon Us) learned how to do this will dolls in temples when we were five. Star TV (May Death, Impotence and Cholera be Upon It) is now corrupting the pure Pakis. The boy repeatedly says the word "Pandit" (May Death, Impotence and Cholera be Upon Them) and parodies what they do on TV.

A girl then claims that she learns from Hindi serials and learns how to solve some problems by watching them. One young man admits that Hritik Roshan (May Death, Impotence and Cholera be Upon Him) is a role model while another man (possible a taiior) says that the costumes in Indian (May Death, Impotence and Cholera be Upon India) TV serials serve as inspiration for clothes. The girl also says that mummy has the TV on all day while the anchor person say that Indian TV is corrupting Pakistanis from 8AM to 11 PM.

The Mullah (May his tribe Increase) says that these serials are creating a distance between Islam and the people and that the "hatred for Hindus"- he uses the word "nafrat" meaning hatred will be reduced.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Anujan » 12 Apr 2010 07:05

^^^

Shivji you missed the main point - the doll was nude!!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby shiv » 12 Apr 2010 07:07

Anujan wrote:^^^

Shivji you missed the main point - the doll was nude!!

:oops: May Death, Impotence and Cholera be Upon me.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby Anujan » 12 Apr 2010 07:14

Actually Shiv-ji, you might be spared. The people may not have been very pious to be begin with: Look at the sign outside the house

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby vishal » 12 Apr 2010 09:20

Paki Army shells soldiers house, then PAF bombs it as tribals start rescue efforts. PA, PAF combo nets more than 50 tribals.
clicky

Nice to see some of that US aid being put to good use.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby sanjaykumar » 12 Apr 2010 09:34

You can compare Bhindranwale's Sikh fundamentalist/theocratic Khalistan movement and the Congress Party. The Congress Party's ideology might be secular, but that secularism was no bar to a communal response to Indira Gandhi's assassination by her Sikh bodyguard.

Or for example, Buddhist religious chauvanism in Sri Lanka encouraged by Buddhist priests, versus the secular Singhala communalism of the Maoist JVP.



Yes just as HM government has resisted Catholicisation of Ireland by armed intervention on the side of its preferred communalists.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby armenon » 12 Apr 2010 09:51

vishal wrote:Paki Army shells soldiers house, then PAF bombs it as tribals start rescue efforts. PA, PAF combo nets more than 50 tribals.
clicky

Nice to see some of that US aid being put to good use.


My antivirus program went berserk with a trojan warning while clicking the above link.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Postby abhishek_sharma » 12 Apr 2010 09:52

http://thepage.time.com/readouts-sunday-bilats-with-zuma-gilani-singh/


Readout of the President's meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Gilani

President Obama today met with Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani at Blair House on the margins of Pakistan's participation in the Nuclear Security Summit. The President was joined by Secretary of State Clinton and the Prime Minister was joined by Foreign Minister Qureshi.

President Obama began by noting that he is very fond of Pakistan, having visited the country during college. The leaders reaffirmed the positive relations between the U.S. and Pakistan, a relationship of significant importance because of the shared values of our countries and the fight we are both engaged in against extremists operating in South Asia. The President also noted that our multi-faceted and long-term strategic relationship goes far beyond security issues.

The President expressed his appreciation to the Prime Minister for the quick reaction of Pakistani security forces to the terrorist attack on our Consulate in Peshawar on April 5 and expressed his condolences at the Pakistani casualties from that attack and the attack on a political event in Lower Dir on the same day. He commented that these two attacks on the same day are important to note because the extremists do not distinguish between us and we are truly facing a common enemy.

...

The Prime Minister noted that his participation in the Nuclear Security Summit comes at a time when popular support for the U.S.-Pakistan relationship is growing. By way of example, the Prime Minister noted that prior to embarking for the United States, he met with the National Command Authority, both houses of parliament, the political opposition, and military leaders. The President indicated his appreciation of that broad-based sentiment and used, addressing the topic of the conference, reasserted the importance of nuclear security, a priority he has reiterated for all countries. The Prime Minister indicated his assurance that Pakistan takes nuclear security seriously and has appropriate safeguards in place.

The Prime Minister also expressed his appreciation for the broad U.S. assistance program to Pakistan, a multi-faceted effort to make progress on various sectors including: economy, trade, education, infrastructure, security. He noted that energy is an existing and growing problem. The President reiterated that we are committed to helping Pakistan address its real and growing energy needs and noted that he is pleased that implementation is proceeding on the $125m in energy-sector projects Secretary Clinton announced in October.


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