Sanku wrote:Karan M, save your breath and instead show some numbers which are open source other than those by Chacko or which quote Chacko.
Why? Is Chacko a liar? Is he some sort of savant who came up with all those things on his own?
Being nasty is not substitute for debate, all I have heard from you is how the whole world is crap expect this one data point. Yeah well. Sure fuel efficiency does not matter, how many Kms a tank can run before its engine runs out does not matter. What is the necessary supply train for each tank to run a distance does not matter. Time to trot out the cliche
Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics
Can you design an armoured regiments supply chain for us? If not, why all this posturing about amateurs and professionals and similar hilarious cliches?
You talk a lot about the word "debate", but do you even know what the word means, as versus just arguing for the heck of it? Lets get to the point.
Here you have details posted in the Frontier India link which are cent per cent accurate going by how they match up with other sources with info from the horses mouth. But you don't know this and won't accept this. Not only you not know this, you DEMAND, that you be given other sources. For what exactly? For your whimsy that you don't like Chacko?
If you were half as knowledgeable about
this topic as you say you are - "look at the design details" etc etc, you should have already known all the details and should have been pointing US to new sources of information. But you can't and you haven't.
Chacko's link blows your claims out of the water. So, simple logic - deny it. Brilliant. But you have nothing in return.
Hello - you didnt even know the Arjun has had HESH since 2002, and here you are trying to teach us about details, about topics you have little clue about. Now you say logistics? Trying to talk up yourself as being a professional as versus the rest who are all amateurs?
I hate trotting it out but what to do, sometime there is no option.
Yes indeed, the other option would be to admit you were wrong, but you cant do that can you?
nd learn some manners, being rude and hostile is not substitute for reasoned arguments with facts.
So far, you have dismissed all reasoned arguments by denying whatever punctures your claims. Claimed outright falsehoods (HESH, fuel consumption etc), have no idea whatsoever of the topic under question..
Yeah you type fast, but is that "reasoned argument"? Then when you are shown you are wrong, do you admit you were mistaken & re-evaluate your argument? No - here you are, back again...so what you see as "rude and hostile" is "trotting it out, but what to do, sometimes there is no option"..
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And to remind you, I am specifically asking for three data points
1) Fuel consumption on/off road
2) Number of km/hours that engine can run before conking out
LOL - the fuel consumption is already there in Frontier India link. If you had any idea of the topic, you'd also know of one other public report which has it.
Second, can you tell us the T-90s experience in Indian conditions?
Oh wait, you dismissed that link from the College of Defence Management as well..
So, no, you answer my questions from earlier and show us all why exactly your word should be taken over Chacko's. Tell us what FCS is on the Arjun, APU, radio etc. Lets have your commonly accepted answers from your commonly accepted knowledge. We'll all get to see how wrong Chacko, we all are, and how right you are.. Go on.
I am specifically keeping it simple so that the discussion does not go all over the place.
No, you are not keeping it "simple". You are trying to shape the terms of debate, into two tangential points so that you can somehow pretend that you were not mistaken and just arguing for the heck of it..
Lets do these first, and NO arguing that fuel efficiency is not important is NOT same as discussing which tank "kitna deti hai"
Whatever..