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From "The News" an opinion by a TSPian who lives in the US.
Smell the coffee
Tuesday, May 25, 2010
Saturday or Sunday would be the most natural choice for inviting people to draw caricatures. The leisure to draw and post something on the internet is best afforded during a weekend. Instead, Thursday was chosen; a day before the Friday mosque gatherings would make Muslims go berserk with collective rage. The controversial page engineered the predictable blackout of the most used sources of networking and awareness in Pakistan, i.e., Facebook and YouTube. Even Blackberry service was affected. The Hamid Mir issue unleashed a strategic assault on the 'operational mechanism' of journalists in the country, with loud and clear warning to all to steer clear of insurgents and the insurgency both.

The Faisal Shahzad issue has 'expanded' the sphere of America's 'enemies' within Pakistan to include serving officers of the military. Are there, or will there be, purges within the Pakistan military? Too many senior level American military and intelligence officials have visited lately. Way too many incidents are converging on 'one purpose' to qualify as coincidental. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Zeenia Satti
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When I first read this piece, I assumed my tin foil hat would be a good fit on this person. I could not understand the amount of venom she had for the US while living in Washington DC. I decided to dig deeper and came back with some background info that truly made me go :eek: :eek:

Here are some info pertaining to her

1) Zeenia Satti has taught International Relations at Harvard University, Massachusetts and Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad. She is an energy consultant and free lance political columnist based in Washington DC. zeenia.satti@yahoo.com

2) Her family life (I assure this is relevant) : http://fletcher.tufts.edu/alumni/pdfdocs/FN_8-02.pdf (page 22)
Brant Marcus Simenson (F’90): died May 17, 2002 in a fall while on a birdwatching expedition in the Himalayan mountains. Brant, who was born in Finland during his parents’ first diplomatic assignment there, was an honors student at James Madison High School in Vienna, VA, and a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. At the time of his death, he was working on his dissertation on energy privatization issues in developing countries for his Ph.D. at Fletcher. He was also running an energy consulting
company that he had founded in Islamabad, Pakistan. The company, Enerman
, was just beginning to gain some speed after a lot of hard work, with Brant mastering Urdu and Pakistan’s complicated business environment. Previously, he had worked for Exxon/Esso in Dallas and Houston, TX.
In 1994, Brant married Zeenia Satti (F’89), with whom he had a son. Although he and Zeenia grew apart, Brant remained dedicated to the love and well-being of his only son, Alexander, now 5. Contributions can be made to an education fund for Alex, which can be sent to the Simenson family at 1107 Westbriar Ct., NE, Vienna, VA 22180.

3) A small anouncement of Brant's untimely passing by his sister : By Kristin E. Simenson Maxson
( - 149.63.50.200) on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 07:13 am:
It is with deep regret that we wish to inform you of the untimely passing of our son, brother and uncle, Brant Marcus Simenson, from a tragic fall while on a birding expedition in the Himalayan mountains. Brant attended grades 2th - 5th during '72 - '76. If anyone would like to contact his family, you can send a message to k_maxson@yahoo.com. Brants web page is posted at http://brantmemories.7h.com/brant.html Brant had one brother "Storm" and three sisters "Kristin, Randi and Marit".No mention of his wife by the sister in law

4) Links to Companies set up by Brant Simenson at TSPs Board of Investment site : Company 1 and
ENERMAN (PRIVATE) LIMITED Registered Office Address: H. No. 267 St.22 Sector E-7, ISLAMABAD === CEO NAME: Brant Simenson (ADDRESS: 267(A) St.22 Sector E-7, Islamabad) === INCORPORATE DATE: 1/6/1999

5) Zeenia has filed 2 cases in the Virginia Eastern District Court and it seems she lost both cases. She later appealed these decisions at the US Federal Appeals - 4th Circuit Court. The Fed 4th Circuit court upheld the lower courts decisions in both cases. One of the two cases pertains to some financial case against Bank of America. The second case is more interesting and will elaborate below.

6) Zeenia filed a cased against the US Dept of Defence and other parties pertaining to the death of her husband. According to this filing
Satti alleges the following facts. She married Brant Marcus Simenson and they had a son, Alexander. Simenson died on May 17, 2002 in Islamabad, Pakistan while Satti and Simenson were still married. At the time of his death, Simenson worked for the U.S. Special Forces as an undercover spy at the rank of Major. Neither the DOD nor the DOS informed Satti that her husband had died. Instead, Satti learned of Simenson’s death “through local sources.” The DOD did not pay her or her son death gratuities under the Death Gratuity Statute1 as the survivors of a member of the military killed while on active duty.

Satti filed this action pro se3 on May 5, 2006 alleging DOD’s “neglect of its obligation to notify the plaintiff of decedent’s death and . . . to release the decedent’s death benefits to his true heirs at law[,]” and DOS’s threats and willful neglect toward her and her son. Defendants moved to dismiss claiming, among other things, that Satti has not established that her husband was engaged in military service and that she has not satisfied the administrative exhaustion requirement under the Federal Tort Claims Act, 28 U.S.C. §§ 1346(b), 2671-2680
Based on these findings here is what I observe. Brant was a well educated US citizen who studied at a good school and married his college mate. After a couple of years of marriage they decided to set up life in TSP. They both were working in the energy sector and decided to setup their business in TSP. Brant met an untimely death 3 years later in TSP. According to reports his death was accidental but Zeenia, his wife, filed a case against the US Dept of Defence alleging that he was employed by US special forces and working under cover in TSP. At the time they were drifting apart as seen on points 2 & 3 and she was suing for his death benefits. Her claims have been turned down by the district court. That may explain her bitterness towards the US but it raises an important questions.
1) Is there some truth to her allegations of what Brant did in TSP?
2) Was she the one who betrayed his mission if he was working undercover?
3) Do other alleged undercover US agents have to take the cover of some legitimate work in TSP to be able to better perform their real work?
4) Is this the reason Jalebi madam got so worked up about the US in that time frame (Brant died less than a year after 9-11 when US was in the middle of a war in Afghanistan)?
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SSridhar,

there was this slogan in pak "has has ke Pakistan liya....lad lad ke Hindustan lenge"
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From "The News"
Karachi: terror runs unchecked
Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - Mir Jamilur Rahman

Who is killing who in Karachi? Everyone is blaming the 'other' for the unprovoked killings. Last week, 30 people died in targeted killing in just two days.

It is presumed that the first victim was hit from a considerable distance by a high-powered gun fixed with a strong telescope.

One thing is certain: there is some force, whether it is political or the land mafia,
that unleashes the killers that carry out targeted killings. It turns the switch on and the killings start, and they stop at once when it is turned off.
....
Based on this article this looks like a professional hit. Is this the establishments work or just some TSPians engaged in the usual infighting?
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^It seems most of them are police officers who had done operations against MQM earlier.---> Clicky
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yvijay wrote:^It seems most of them are police officers who had done operations against MQM earlier.---> Clicky
But Saar why the need for a professional hit. In TSP sooside bombers are available dime a dozen so why employ hi-tech means to kill someone when the same can be acheived at a much lower cost and risk. IMHO, there is more to this and the details will come in due course.
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^^^ one must presume that not all parties have access to the vest wearing brigade. some rely on old fashioned methods. look for the resurgance of older political forms
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Targeting sends a clear message for the reciever and his ilk. IED mubarrak will get confused message and lost in pakiban shenanigans.

From above two reports looks like the Karachi Police (KP) were going after the MQM and now someone is going after the KP. So the KP come up with an inquiry committee and say MQM did it. And MQM denies it says the KP is trying to fix it on them. Unfortunately it has been true in the past that MQM was fixed by KP. Meantime the KP is demoralised for they thought they will get free rein to let loose a reign of terror.
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BijuShet wrote:But Saar why the need for a professional hit. In TSP sooside bombers are available dime a dozen so why employ hi-tech means to kill someone when the same can be acheived at a much lower cost and risk. IMHO, there is more to this and the details will come in due course.
To their credit, MQM "miscreants" are not the Jihadi type with religious conviction enough to wear a soosai vest. They are more like the Mafia type who will shoot someone for supari. So more gunfights and less soosai when MQM is involved...
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Getting reliable information about Pakistan:

1. The English language media reflects the interests of the R.A.P.E. class.
2. It seems large sections of the media are owned by some branch of the intelligence agencies/military or other.
3. The Urdu language media is less accessible to us (though the advent of the Google Urdu-English translation service may eventually change that).
4. The Urdu language media is probably even more infiltrated by the intelligence services - because this is what is used to control the general public (non-RAPE).
5. The other languages are even less accessible.

An accurate picture of Pakistan may not be possible.

However, there is one metric which is easy to compute: the number of attacks against India in a given time period - perhaps that is the one metric that is of concern to us.

Which leads me to a question - If Pakistan stopped sponsoring jihadis, how quickly would interest in Pakistan on BRF drop to near-zero?
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Thank you saars for the elaborate reply. I wish high scores for MQM and KP in this hunting game.
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A_Gupta wrote:...
Which leads me to a question - If Pakistan stopped sponsoring jihadis, how quickly would interest in Pakistan on BRF drop to near-zero?
Just look at the pace of Sri Lanka or Bhutan or Bangladesh threads and you will get your answer.
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नौटंकी [=drama] ends predictably

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 974713.cms
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jamwal wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Pakistan blockage spree

Last week, approximately 450 social networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube were blocked in the Middle Eastern country of Pakistan. Today, we’re learning that the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority [PTA] has also decided to ban all BlackBerry services such as data [BIS, BES], email, and BBM in the country “until further notice.”
Bakis are now equal=equal with Arabs :lol:
TSP has become a Tidda nation. (Tidda is punjabi for grasshopper.)
It's well known that a very well known Islamist went to KSA around 150 years back.
There he saw that all pious eat Tiddas. After all that time in desert what else can you get.

So after coming from there, he not only preached newly learnt sermons but also advocated henceforth all pious in India should eat Tiddas and not the usual chicken biryani and goat curry.
Needless to say, after sometime, with sales falling, the restaurant owners and people put enough Tiddas in his frontisde and backside that he got instant jannat with 72 doe-eyed grasshopers.
TSP is well on its way to become the new Tiddastan.
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BijuShet, your analysis is top notch. Great investigative work. Seems like there is some truth in mohatarma's allegation no ametuer ornothologist dies in pursuit of watching birds and no one can sue DOD unless they have some base to do so. The other point to note is that mohatarma is in US since least 15 years and still it seems any unislamic action by some group brings the violent side of her in open. Looks like another Aafia Siddhiqui in making
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We know how they are going to end up .

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... swat-hs-10
PESHAWAR: About 130 relatives of suspected Taliban fighters have been expelled from Pakistan's Swat valley and are living in a camp guarded by the military, officials and witnesses said Tuesday.The army, which fought to evict the Taliban from the northwestern district last year and which is responsible for security in the area, said the families were expelled by a local council, or jirga, because their relatives failed to surrender.But Pakistan's leading human rights organisation criticised the move as illegal and called on the government to take action against the jirga.“There are about 25 families and 130 individuals,” Colonel Akhtar Abbas, an army spokesman in Swat, told AFP by telephone.
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BijuShet wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:...
Which leads me to a question - If Pakistan stopped sponsoring jihadis, how quickly would interest in Pakistan on BRF drop to near-zero?
Just look at the pace of Sri Lanka or Bhutan or Bangladesh threads and you will get your answer.
Well there are still at least three things left that are not properties of S.L., B, or B.

1. Pakistan still will have nukes.
2. Pakistan will still be important as a potential conduit for gas from Iran.
3. Pakistan will still be important as transit to Central Asia.
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_6
Interestingly, the theme of hatred and militancy in the curriculum can be clearly distinguished between the pre- and post-1979 educational contexts. There was no mention of these in the pre-Islamisation period curricula, while the post-1979 curricula and textbooks openly eulogise war and militancy and urge students to become mujahideen and martyrs. But the target is not only India or Hindus. The curriculum targets all non-Muslims and countries and seeks to teach a particularly virulent version of radical and militant Islam to Pakistan’s children.
He even addresses WKKs
All this hatred and indoctrination should also serve as a reality check for those who delude themselves into believing that, somehow, India and Pakistan can live together in peace. This is not possible until there is a complete overhaul of the educational curriculum in Pakistan and the process of reverse indoctrination is completed. Going by what is being done to the Pakistani children — not only in madrassas but also in schools runs by the Pakistani state — the entire educational curriculum needs to be seriously monitored and altered on a war-footing.
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There is something more serious we should worry about: the mindset that combines overconfidence with self-righteousness. We are not a people who entertain the idea that we could possibly be wrong. We always know; we are always right; and we also know the only way forward.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2
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Seminar highlights Indian Muslims’ plight

Staff Report

LAHORE: The country should thank God and Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, whose sagacious leadership and unflinching determination led to the establishment of a separate homeland where Muslims are now living an honourable and dignified life as a free nation, while Indian Muslims are still suffering from untold oppression and tyranny, Punjab University Acting Vice-Chancellor Prof Dr Jamil Anwar Chaudhry said on Tuesday.

Addressing a one-day seminar titled ‘Dalit Movement - Past, Present and Future’ held in the Al-Raazi Hall New Campus, Anwar said the country should not form any opinion about India after watching Indian movies or commercial TV channels “because the face of the Hindu ruling class with regards to the treatment being dished out to Indian Muslims is as horrible today as it was 63 years ago”, adding that because of the inhumane Brahmanical caste system, a Brahman was considered impure if an untouchable or Muslim touched him.

Speaking on the occasion, Dalit Voice Bangalore Editor VT Rajshekhar said a majority of Indian Muslims consisted of converts from ‘untouchables’ because in India, Muslims did not migrate from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq or Turkey. “Indian Muslims are living a miserable life today… much worst than the untouchables. It is a crime for any Indian to convert to Islam because Muslims are regarded as terrorists, animals and traitors and have no option but to either go to their graves or Pakistan,” he said, adding that on the one hand, Hindu Brahmans are slaughtering defenseless Muslims and are brutalizing Indian-held Kashmir, while on the other they are enacting the drama of ‘Aman ki Aasha’.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 010_pg13_7
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Brad Goodman wrote:BijuShet, your analysis is top notch. Great investigative work.
Agree with Brad. Excellent deductive work, BijuShet.

Pakistan is not an energy rich country of any significance. Its economy is not significant, its energy needs are also moderate which are met by internal generation and external concessional support from its ummah-friends. Ordinarily, energy consultants would not be interested in setting up shops in such a scenario. Pakistan's significance in the energy front comes from only three sources. One, its proximity to the choke point of the Strait of Hormuz; Two, as a potential outlet point for CAR supplies to blunt and free the Russian preponderance there; and Three, its proximity to a huge energy-hungry India and (with some difficult supply routes) to China. For the US, all the above are matters of great interest along with an additional point of interest (apart from many others, of course) in that Pakistan has a 500 mile border with an extremely energy-rich Iran. I would not put it past the US agencies to have recruited the couple.
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Gus wrote:there was this slogan in pak "has has ke Pakistan liya....lad lad ke Hindustan lenge"
Yes . . . those responsible for the creation of Pakistan were not only laughing their way to the nation but also to the banks. But, the 'ladai' plot was lost with increasing margins every time.
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http://www.americanmemorials.com/memori ... orial=5387
Brant M. Simenson online memorial.
While at Fletchers, Brant met a graduate student from Pakistan whom He married in 1994, after working several years for EXXON in Texas. This led to his work and life in Pakistan, during which he was also enrolled as a student of Fletchers with almost a finished Ph.D. thesis, needed for his Doctorate.

Brant, who was a member of SASS (Society of Scandinavian Scholars), said if life had not lead him to Pakistan he undoubtedly would have chosen in the end an academic career on a U.S. campus in the Scandinavian field of studies,
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A_Gupta wrote:
Seminar highlights Indian Muslims’ plight

Staff Report

LAHORE: The country should thank God and Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, whose sagacious leadership and unflinching determination led to the establishment of a separate homeland where Muslims are now living an honourable and dignified life as a free nation, while Indian Muslims are still suffering from untold oppression and tyranny, Punjab University Acting Vice-Chancellor Prof Dr Jamil Anwar Chaudhry said on Tuesday.

Addressing a one-day seminar titled ‘Dalit Movement - Past, Present and Future’ held in the Al-Raazi Hall New Campus, Anwar said the country should not form any opinion about India after watching Indian movies or commercial TV channels “because the face of the Hindu ruling class with regards to the treatment being dished out to Indian Muslims is as horrible today as it was 63 years ago”, adding that because of the inhumane Brahmanical caste system, a Brahman was considered impure if an untouchable or Muslim touched him.

Speaking on the occasion, Dalit Voice Bangalore Editor VT Rajshekhar said a majority of Indian Muslims consisted of converts from ‘untouchables’ because in India, Muslims did not migrate from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq or Turkey. “Indian Muslims are living a miserable life today… much worst than the untouchables. It is a crime for any Indian to convert to Islam because Muslims are regarded as terrorists, animals and traitors and have no option but to either go to their graves or Pakistan,” he said, adding that on the one hand, Hindu Brahmans are slaughtering defenseless Muslims and are brutalizing Indian-held Kashmir, while on the other they are enacting the drama of ‘Aman ki Aasha’.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 010_pg13_7
Well ... Mr. Rajshekhar is quite a colorful character .. no wonder he was invited to Pakiland ... as they say in my part of the world ..
Ram milayin jodi ... :rotfl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._T._Rajshekar
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A person responds to Pakistan's decision to block 400+ websites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaTUKWQe7ug
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From NYTimes
U.S. Heads a Cast of Villains in Pakistan’s Conspiracy Talk

Americans may think that the failed Times Square bomb was planted by a man named Faisal Shahzad. But the view in the Supreme Court Bar Association here in Pakistan’s capital is that the culprit was an American “think tank.”

Conspiracy theory is a national sport in Pakistan, where the main players — the United States, India and Israel — change positions depending on the ebb and flow of history.

One of those pundits is Zaid Hamid, a fast-talking, right-wing television personality who rose to fame on one of Pakistan’s 90 new private television channels. He uses Google searches to support his theory that India, Israel and the United States — through their intelligence agencies and the company formerly known as Blackwater — are conspiring to destroy Pakistan.
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A_Gupta wrote:
Seminar highlights Indian Muslims’ plight

Speaking on the occasion, Dalit Voice Bangalore Editor VT Rajshekhar said a majority of Indian Muslims consisted of converts from ‘untouchables’ because in India, Muslims did not migrate from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq or Turkey.
It might be of interest to Mr. VT Rajshekhar to know that not only a majority (in fact a very vast majority) of Indian Muslims are converts to Islam, but also Pakistani Muslims. But for a minuscule descendants of Turks, Persians, Pathans or Mughals, the vast majority of Muslims in the Indian Subcontinent was converts from the Hindu religion.
“Indian Muslims are living a miserable life today… much worst than the untouchables. It is a crime for any Indian to convert to Islam because Muslims are regarded as terrorists, animals and traitors and have no option but to either go to their graves or Pakistan,”
VT Rajshekhar is insensitive to Indian Muslims. How can he ask them to go to Pakistan where the plight of a Muslim, leave alone that of a mohajir Muslim, is much worse ? It is obvious that All'ah Ta'ala has been kinder to infidel India than to a Believing Pakistan.
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From the NYT article posted above:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/world ... pstan.html
Though Pakistan was created as a haven for Muslims, it was secular at first, and did not harden into an Islamic state on paper until 1949. Intellectuals point to the moment as a kind of original sin :rotfl: , when Islam became embedded in the country’s democratic blueprint, handing immense power to Islamic hard-liners, who could claim — despite their small numbers — to be the true guardians of the state.

...

Lawyers in Pakistan have a strong streak of political Islam. Mr. Habib, who has had militants as clients, argues that Al Qaeda is an American invention. Their pronouncements are infused with anti-Semitism, standard for Islamic groups in the region.

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ramana wrote:SSridhar, the quote in italics is from where.
And have you updated your blog with the insight on TSP behavior?
Ramana, the quotes were from an interesting book, "Partition and the Making of the Mohajir Mindset: A Narrative" by Brig. A.R. Siddiqui. He retired as the ISPR Chief later on and frequently contributed columns.

Have published three more posts on 'Non-state Actors'.
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SSridhar wrote:="A_Gupta"]eminar highlights Indian Muslims’ plight
]“Indian Muslims are living a miserable life today… much worst than the untouchables. It is a crime for any Indian to convert to Islam because Muslims are regarded as terrorists, animals and traitors and have no option but to either go to their graves or Pakistan,” [/
VT Rajshekhar is insensitive to Indian Muslims. How can he ask them to go to Pakistan where the plight of a Muslim, leave alone that of a mohajir Muslim, is much worse ? It is obvious that All'ah Ta'ala has been kinder to infidel India than to a Believing Pakistan.
So , are Paki going to open immigration for IM to move in DUI there.
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Contrasting Faces of jihadi Terror - Anita Joshua in The Hindu
Excerpts
members of the upwardly mobile segment of society who have taken to terror represent that brand of ‘jihadi' terrorism which is increasingly being referred to as a ‘glocal phenomenon.' In the words of Rik Coolsaet, the Belgian academic and editor of the Ashgate publication Jihadi Terrorism and the Radicalisation of Europe, the ‘glocal phenomenon' is “a cloak patched from different sources of local discontent, stitched together by a puritanical and radical interpretation of Islam, and thriving on a global phenomenon.”
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Acharya wrote:
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2. In some way, the Pakistani elite are deeply schizophrenic. By that I mean, I cannot construct a consistent world based on whatever premises in which their worldview is coherent. It goes beyond cognitive dissonance, which results in people making arguments with no logic. It reflects in the very persona - Hamid Mir as a prime example, has at least two persona. His Capital Talk persona and his yakking-with-the-Taliban persona.

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This is a very important observation.
Nobody can construct a sense of nation or worldview from these elites. It is all about existence and survival but pretending to be a nation and a state. Only Indians are fooled into thinking that there is a legitimate state
Pakistan is a nation that has achieved a state in the aftermath of the end of British colonialism in India. However Pakistan is only a notional state and does not have any of the attributes that have driven the formation of states in the modern era. It does not have belief in genuine democracy, universal liberal human values. On the contrary despite claiming modern statehood it regresses in human values back to pre-modern times by tis repression of minorities-Christians and Ahmediyas etc, expulsion of the Hindu population, hosting terrorists and criminals. And it is more like greater West Punjab than Pakistan. The emphasis on Praetorian rulers is more akin to Junker Prussia before German Unification. It is region that has claimed a state and keeps the other regions under its military thumb. Thus it is an artificial state that has been legitimized by UK and hence US and Indian elite in that order.
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ramana wrote: Junker Prussia before German Unification. .
What is Junker Prussia?
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SSridhar wrote:Contrasting Faces of jihadi Terror - Anita Joshua in The Hindu
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members of the upwardly mobile segment of society who have taken to terror represent that brand of ‘jihadi' terrorism which is increasingly being referred to as a ‘glocal phenomenon.' In the words of Rik Coolsaet, the Belgian academic and editor of the Ashgate publication Jihadi Terrorism and the Radicalisation of Europe, the ‘glocal phenomenon' is “a cloak patched from different sources of local discontent, stitched together by a puritanical and radical interpretation of Islam, and thriving on a global phenomenon.”
That article also quotes a Syed Mansoor Hussain.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2009_pg3_3
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The ruling class in Prussia were called Junkers. I am not insulting them. They were the militaristic land owning class. Most went to Uty of Heidelberg and got dueling scars as mementos. Last name ends in Von some thing or the other.
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Junkers was the most famous engine created by the Nazi germany
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Ramana's description is quite accurate. It oscillates between a Junker's Prussia and a Nazi Germany. It is just the Greater Western Punjab that dominates an unwilling Sind, and Balochistan. Though there has been an un-easy relationship with NWFP, it co-opted that part of the land in some of its ventures, like prominent role in the military etc. It is another matter now, that some of those co-opted people want to reverse-dictate now.
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Acharya the plane factory Junkers is named after the landed gentry of Prussia. The company was there in WWI too.
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The whole constitutional crisis drama

Dear Guru Log,

From past few months it seems that Supreme court in Pakistan is on an collision course with the Government. NRO, Malik, promotions of civil services and letter to swiss government regarding Zardari...

My question is, whether supreme court in Pakistan is really independent or is working on a specific agenda on someone else's behest. Pakistan is agog with conspiracy theories. Yesterday I came across a program where the host says he met Sadar sahib in morning and had a one on one lunch with him, where the talks was that the government will fall in July.

Do watch http://pakistanherald.com/Program/Dunya ... inhas-3890
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^^^^
Off topic, but Junkers was actually named after Hugo Junkers, who founded the company. Oddly enough, considering the # of fighter aircraft that the company he founded later built, Hugo Junkers was a pacifist.
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