Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 01 Jul 2010 07:23

There are some circles that reject Jinnah as a competent leader and accuse him of committing political mistakes — such as his authoritarian role as governor general to dissolve the North West Frontier Provincial assembly, his act of presiding over the cabinet meetings and keeping aside the prime minister, and his dismissal of the chief minister of Sindh. As the political situation in Pakistan deteriorates, Jinnah’s image is also undergoing a distortion in which he’s blamed for leaving the country in the hands of incompetent leaders. The result is that in Pakistan, there are now two portraits of Jinnah: one, of the founder of the State based on the two-nation theory and an anti-India policy; two, of a secular Jinnah, not generally welcomed except in small circles of liberal Pakistanis.

As for Partition, while a majority of scholars have no doubt written about its legitimacy, there are only a few voices determined to question it. Rubina Saigol in Knowledge and Identity challenges the concept of two nations, the very basis of the creation of Pakistan. Jaswant Singh’s book is important in this context.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Jul 2010 07:48

The other shoe has dropped. As I had envisioned the Islamic Jihadic threat has started to really threaten the rest of the world (has been recognized as such) and not just India any longer.

LeT having global ambitions beyond India: Admiral Mike Mullen

With the new General in A'stan stating that India too has a role things should get moving some time in the near future.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Jul 2010 08:14

Airavat wrote:Jinnah's image in Pakistan
There are some circles that reject Jinnah as a competent leader and accuse him of committing political mistakes — such as his authoritarian role as governor general . . .

Jinnah is directly responsible for most, if not all, the ills of today's Pakistan. He laid the foundation for the political mess that has bedevilled Pakistan ever since.

Unlike the Indian National Congress which was a grass-root based mass organization, the Muslim League was an authoritarian-style elitist organization and this aspect later showed when its leader, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, assumed the Governor Generalship of Pakistan when it was formed and amassed all powers to himself. He thus set the tone for the centralized executive governance rather than a legislative governance. It was quite similar of him becoming the Life President of the Muslim League in c. 1935 upon return from his self-imposed exile from London. He did not relinquish this position even after becoming the Governor General of Pakistan and until his death. When All Pakistan Mulsim League’s party rules were framed in February 1948 in Karachi, it was cleverly suggested that nobody would hold a dual post, one in the Government and another in the Party. But, Jinnah was already the Lifetime President of the Party. The new party rule was therefore framed to ensure that Liaquat Ali Khan did not wield any power in the party as Jinnah knew he was nearing his end due to his illness. However, after Jinnah’s death, Liaquat Ali Khan usurped party power from Khaliquzzaman, the Jinnah-appointed Chief of Muslim League, in c. 1950 and thus continued Jinnah’s example of absolute power. This led to factions in the party and laid the foundation for splintering of the All Pakistan Muslim League.

Some of Jinnah’s actions do not portray him as a Constitutionalist as he is generally portrayed to be. Ms. Hamida Kuhro, the daughter of the then Sindh Chief Minister in 1947 who was dismissed unconstitutionally by Jinnah in order to take over control of Karachi, has written about the intrigues of Jinnah in TFT March 2009 issue. Of course, earlier to the dismissal of the Kuhro government, Jinnah had also dismissed the democratically elected government of Dr. Khan Sahib (brother of Bachcha Khan) in NWFP and that too within a week of the creation of Pakistan. The dismissal in Sind took a few more months. He did not believe that democracy was suitable for the people of the Indian subcontinent.

In a speech at the Aligarh Muslim University on Mar 6, 1940, he said this: : “Two years ago at Simla I said that the democratic parliamentary system of government was unsuited to India. I was condemned everywhere in the Congress press. I was told that I was guilty of disservice to Islam because Islam believes in democracy. So far as I have understood Islam, it does not advocate a democracy which would allow the majority of non-Muslims to decide the fate of the Muslims. We cannot accept a system of government in which the non-Muslims merely by numerical majority would rule and dominate us.”

He even presided over the Cabinet meetings instead of the Prime Minister Liaqat Ali Khan. Jinnah was not only the Governor-General of Pakistan, but was also simultaneously President of the Muslim League, and the Head of the Constituent Assembly. That tradition has continued since then and has been also justified by the later-day Islamic clerics as closer to a Caliphate, where “selection” and not “election” was important. Unlike the neighbouring India where the most powerful political figure, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, decided to be a Prime Minister, Jinnah chose to be an overarching Governor General. Military dictators like FM Ayub Khan and Gen. Yahya Khan took this even further when they did not even prefer to have Prime Ministers under them thereby assuming direct executive control. Thus, Pakistan has followed a unitary or Presidential form of government even when elected political parties formed the Government because neither PML nor PPP had any second rung leader that could be a counterweight to the very top person in the party, either Z.A. Bhutto, or Ms. Benazir Bhutto or Mian Nawaz Sharif. In fact, Z.A. Bhutto who was fully committed to a formal parliamentary system in which the executive was completely subservient to the legislature, suddenly favoured a Presidential system with himself as a President with totalitarian powers when his stock rose to dizzying heights subsequent to the 1971 debacle when he negotiated successfully with India for the successful release of 93000 POW soldiers of Pakisan.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Jul 2010 08:50

Nukes are Pak's main deterrent against India, says Mullen

Pakistan believes that nuclear weapons are its "crown jewels" and a deterrent against India [ Images ], a top US military official has said, even as he expressed deep concern over the safety of the nukes in the country. "These (nuclear weapons) are their crown jewels," Admiral Mike Mullen [ Images ] Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in an interactive interview with David Sanger, chief Washington correspondent of The New York Times, at the Aspen Security Form on Tuesday.
"As much as we are focused on this threat (to their nuclear weapons), I think they are much more than they used to be. They have got -- you know, they see a threat from India. I mean, that's -- and this is their deterrent, specifically," Mullen said."So they view this as a huge, huge part of their long-term security. And thus, they haven't opened the doors up. And I don't expect to go next trip and say, okay, now we'll open the doors," he said in response to a question on the status of Pakistan nuclear weapons.At the same time, Mullen expressed his deep concern over the safety of the nuclear weapons in Pakistan. "I wouldn't specify the particular path of proliferation, but I am certainly extremely concerned about the potential there. Now, again, they've taken significant steps and it's something we're working very hard with them on," he said in response to a question

http://news.rediff.com/interview/2010/j ... mullen.htm

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 01 Jul 2010 09:08

Is their any country with which Pakiz don't beg ?

http://www.finance.gov.pk/budget/foreign_assistance.pdf ( Page 36)

There are f**king 28 institute with which Pakistan has gone with begging bowl for jakat on war against terrorist and the aid turns out to be 5 billion $ for 2010-11. You can add another 2 billion $ they will get from USA and that turns out to be total 7 billion $ AID for exporting terrorism throughout the world.

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 01 Jul 2010 09:21

Dialogue of the deaf

Shobori Ganguli

Yet another date has been set for Pakistan to display demonstrable action against the perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai serial terror attacks. India will now “wait for them (Pakistan) to take action before the July 15 meeting between the Indian and Pakistani Foreign Ministers”.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/266197/Dial ... -deaf.html

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Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jul 2010 10:46

Is there a change in tone and tenor from the umreekans with the change of guard from Stanley McCrystal to David Petraeus?
That line by Mullen is most uncharacteristic of Umreekans. Till just yesterday their pet lingo was good talibunnie - bad talibunnie, and the bunny that is active on the eastern border with India is not a bunnie at all.

What changed?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Jul 2010 10:57

Gagan, we have to wait and watch for the consistency in American approach. Their realpolitik approach has two lessons for us; one, not to mistake their tactical changes as something more than that and two, their strategic support for the entity called Pakistan, for various reasons.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 Jul 2010 11:45

Was listening thru bulk of Petraeus testimony as part of his confirmation hearing which is out in the senate website If any BRF Mullah/Mujahid has nothing better to do, it is nice to hear it instead of filtered, jaundiced versions floating around in media. I simply could not be patient to get the point where he talks about India. Hopefully there will be a transcript somewhere sometime.

But one thing is clear - McChrystal is not someone from Mars. He is very much a protege of Petraeus, DP was very much part of the team that too key decisions as he was head of CENTCOM that SMcC reported to. Everyone in that hearing went out of way to praise McC, perhaps as a way of showing their 'respect' to BHO, DP spent almost 10 min in his initial speech on sing McC praise. They basically did not endorse McC's statements that Biden, Holbrooke etc, are a bunch of idiots and BHO does not know what he is doing that is the best you can say.

So I do not believe there is any change of path. DP said as much when he said he is the one that was part of, had recommended, agreed with current strategy, there is no re-design anymore it is just execution (to quote his words). DP also said Karzai told him he never met anyone from Haqqani group, not Haqqani. Repeated that a few times.

I do not think we can expect anyone in this admin, in a public forum at least, to say anything other than the politically correct in re TSP. Hillary has been given the license to be a bad cop once in a while but that is it. But they are not fools. Panetta has said he knows about TSPA meeting Karzai - I do not think America is bothered about any contacts between Karzai and TSPA because things can only get better from their perspective if both fall in line. If they cut a deal that cuts out Unkil which is unlikely given Unkil's hold on both (anytime mango crates can be sent to anyone), then there are options, but for now they are giving benefit of doubt while keeping pressure on the ground constant as much as possible.

The other thing that came thru loud and clear was this so called July 2011 deadline is just a management trick to put some fire under bums of Afghans to get going, it is not something written in stone. This is exactly what I posted a few days after Obama's Dec speech. DP himself more or less repeated that many times, McCain and others even more vocal on that. Again in a public forum they cannot say we are fooling everyone with this fake deadline, but they almost managed to do that.

DP repeated words like 'going to be a number of years before Af forces can do on their own..' 'enduring committment, '...neither Taliban/Afghan/Pakistan should doubt that..' 'months and years ahead...' and so on in connection with the mission...

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 01 Jul 2010 14:46

Gagan wrote:Is there a change in tone and tenor from the umreekans with the change of guard from Stanley McCrystal to David Petraeus?
That line by Mullen is most uncharacteristic of Umreekans. Till just yesterday their pet lingo was good talibunnie - bad talibunnie, and the bunny that is active on the eastern border with India is not a bunnie at all.

What changed?

They want something done by the pakis.

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 01 Jul 2010 15:28

Shurly Shome mistake

Chinese explosive scanners called in question
Updated at: 1455 PST, Thursday, July 01, 2010 ShareThis story

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority has informed the sub standing committee of Senate that explosive scanners imported from China should be used for checking of vehicles only keeping humans away at a distance of 40 kilometers.

A meeting of sub committee constituted to evaluate radiation impact on humans was held here.

The interior ministry officials informed the chairman committee Senator Talha Mahmood that four scanners will be imported from China among which two have already reached Pakistan. These scanners will be installed at four entry points of Islamabad.

Nuclear Regulatory Authority officials told the committee that interim permission to operate the scanner has been given till July 28. China will carry out maintenance for one year, which will later continue by Pakistani officials.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=107706

bart · Post by **bart** » 01 Jul 2010 15:55

SureshP wrote:Shurly Shome mistake

Chinese explosive scanners called in question
Updated at: 1455 PST, Thursday, July 01, 2010 ShareThis story

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority has informed the sub standing committee of Senate that explosive scanners imported from China should be used for checking of vehicles only keeping humans away at a distance of 40 kilometers.

Are they sure that their 'Explosive Scanners' don't themselves explode? Like the 'ACME Disintegrating Pistol' that disintegrated when used by Daffy Duck

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Jul 2010 16:16

Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority has informed the sub standing committee of Senate that explosive scanners imported from China should be used for checking of vehicles only keeping humans away at a distance of 40 kilometers.

Is that a typo or is that 40 Km??

When Chinis and Pakis are involved, one never knows!!

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Jul 2010 16:20

Ticker on CNN-IBN :

Sharad Pawar has mentioned that since Indo-Pak talks have restarted, cricket series also should be restarted...

Another of CRS's predictions coming true!!!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jul 2010 16:38

Prem wrote:Nukes are Pak's main deterrent against India, says Mullen
Pakistan believes that nuclear weapons are its "crown jewels" and a deterrent against India [ Images ], a top US military official has said, even as he expressed deep concern over the safety of the nukes in the country. "These (nuclear weapons) are their crown jewels," Admiral Mike Mullen [ Images ] Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in an interactive interview with David Sanger, chief Washington correspondent of The New York Times, at the Aspen Security Form on Tuesday.
"As much as we are focused on this threat (to their nuclear weapons), I think they are much more than they used to be. They have got -- you know, they see a threat from India. I mean, that's -- and this is their deterrent, specifically," Mullen said."So they view this as a huge, huge part of their long-term security. And thus, they haven't opened the doors up. And I don't expect to go next trip and say, okay, now we'll open the doors," he said in response to a question on the status of Pakistan nuclear weapons.At the same time, Mullen expressed his deep concern over the safety of the nuclear weapons in Pakistan. "I wouldn't specify the particular path of proliferation, but I am certainly extremely concerned about the potential there. Now, again, they've taken significant steps and it's something we're working very hard with them on," he said in response to a question
http://news.rediff.com/interview/2010/j ... mullen.htm

There seems to be a dynamic in Pakistan which we on BRF can recognise instantly, but Pakistanis are not recognizing it, or are in denial

I will try and explain.

We need to see Pakistan as divided up into 3 groups. Whichever way you classify Pakistan, you find 3 groups.

For example:

Islamist Pakistanis (?Taliban)
'moderate" paki - (non Taliban)
Army

Or you can say

Liberal Pakis
Conservative Pakis
Army

or

Rich Pakis
poor Pakis
Army

or you have

RAPE/feudal
mango Abdul
Army

The Paki army is a separate entity - a separate "caste" in Pakistan.

On a Paki site I tried to point out that Pakis "fear India". This was denied. But there are two news items right here in this thread that speak of "fear of India". Clearly "fear of India' is a useful tool in ten thousand different ways at least for the Pakistan army

We fear India so we need money
We fear India so we cannot fight the Taliban
We fear India so we need control over Afghanistan
We fear India so we need to stay in power

If the country "Pakistan" is being kept united by the Paki army and suggested by Lieven, then "fear of India" is a tool used by the Pakistan army to survive.

Control over nuclear weapons is vital for this army to survive. They lose control over nukes and the Pakistan army is toast. They know that.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 01 Jul 2010 17:33

Paks score USD 710 million in one week - extracting Jaziya from the whole world:

Pakistan Gets $710 Mln From International Donor Agencies - Official

KARACHI (Dow Jones)--Pakistan received $710 million from international donor agencies in the last week of the financial year ended June 30, to support the economy and boost foreign exchange reserves, a central bank official said Thursday.

Pakistan got $470 million from the Asian Development Bank, $175 million from the World Bank and $65 million from the United States Agency For International Development, said the official, who didn't wish to be named.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-201 ... 04603.html

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 01 Jul 2010 17:56

naren wrote:
Just a PR stunt to silence the critics. They need to check BRF to understand what Indians really think about Bakistan army

On the contrary I do agree with the author. Military planners all over the world are admiring the pakis this is true because they are successfully conducted a charade of anti terror campaign. Used artillery, Helicopter gunships, F16 and who knows what (only exception being nuki bum from cheena). Killed some civilians ( cannot call innocent since there are none in NWFP that qualify for that tag and hardly any in entire paki land). displayed them as war trophies (true islamic istyle war) then displayed some rusted WW2 vintage guns with "Made in India" etched in a hurry and any lay person could see that most had Cheena stamp all over them. (reminds me of Faisal Sehzaad who filed VIN # on car dashbord but the retard did not know that VIN is stamped on dozen other places on the car). So all war colleges want to really know how to conduct a sham war how to use rag tag militia of terrorist as contractor force to outsource all the dirty work for the army so that jernails can sit and sip their tea in manicured lawns at rawalpindi and foot soldires can water the grass and serve biskoots to their masters poodles while the jernails can plot the next coup. Tell me which army will not be jealous of pakis who unlike these lazy asses have to fight for their lives in the COIN operations.

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 01 Jul 2010 18:18

sum wrote:Ticker on CNN-IBN :

Sharad Pawar has mentioned that since Indo-Pak talks have restarted, cricket series also should be restarted...

Another of CRS's predictions coming true!!!

Indian cricket itenary is fixed till 2012. So no Indo-Pak cricket till 2012.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 01 Jul 2010 18:43

shiv wrote: Control over nuclear weapons is vital for this army to survive. They lose control over nukes and the Pakistan army is toast. They know that.

Nukes wont be of any help if India manages to wrest POK. They will be toast in that scenario too.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 01 Jul 2010 19:34

Militant Group Expands Attacks in Afghanistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/world ... shkar.html

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Jul 2010 19:44

SM Krishna believes 'Aman ki Asha' vital for peace

Talking to Pakistani journalists here, he lauded Pakistan for having taken up good practical steps to abolish the hideouts of extremists.

Mumbai Attacks aggravated the ties between the two countries; however, the Jang Group-sponsored project ‘Aman ki Asha’ will help scale down the tension between the two nations.

Responding a query regarding his Pakistan visit, Krishna said the headway to resolve the issues, would be achieved through meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi, adding it would enhance the outlook for peace in the region.

The five points are indispensable in restoring relations with Pakistan; these include elimination of safe havens for terrorisms and putting back in place the atmosphere of trust and trade.

But, during PC's recent visit, Pakistan had 'promised some credible action before SMK's visit on July 15'. There are only 13 days left and we see no urgency in Pakistan. Not only that, on the very same day that PC & Malik addressed the Press, the ATC, Adiala court once again adjourned the hearings. The very next day, Qureshi said Prof. Hafeez Saeed's freedom of expression could not be curtailed. Now, SMK is saying that ' headway to resolve the issues, would be achieved through meeting with Qureshi'. I thought India wanted to see 'headway' being made *before* SMK's arrival at Islamabad. It seems that Pakistan has successfully weathered the PC storm.

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 01 Jul 2010 19:45

Chief Minister Balochistan Aslam Raisani on Tuesday said a degree is a degree whether it is authentic or fake.

This is the same sort of diplomacy our indian diplomats encounter with the pakistani diplomats. But here is a guy saying the same sort of things and that to his own people. Im confused. Do these guys even know what their talking about?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 Jul 2010 20:43

TSP discovers perpetual motion chicken machine...chicken waste is fed to chickens so they produce more...u guess it

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=248166

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jul 2010 20:52

Prem wrote:Nukes are Pak's main deterrent against India, says Mullen
Pakistan believes that nuclear weapons are its "crown jewels" and a deterrent against India [ Images ], a top US military official has said, even as he expressed deep concern over the safety of the nukes in the country. "These (nuclear weapons) are their crown jewels," Admiral Mike Mullen [ Images ] Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in an interactive interview with David Sanger, chief Washington correspondent of The New York Times, at the Aspen Security Form on Tuesday.
"As much as we are focused on this threat (to their nuclear weapons), I think they are much more than they used to be. They have got -- you know, they see a threat from India. I mean, that's -- and this is their deterrent, specifically," Mullen said."So they view this as a huge, huge part of their long-term security. And thus, they haven't opened the doors up. And I don't expect to go next trip and say, okay, now we'll open the doors," he said in response to a question on the status of Pakistan nuclear weapons.At the same time, Mullen expressed his deep concern over the safety of the nuclear weapons in Pakistan. "I wouldn't specify the particular path of proliferation, but I am certainly extremely concerned about the potential there. Now, again, they've taken significant steps and it's something we're working very hard with them on," he said in response to a question
http://news.rediff.com/interview/2010/j ... mullen.htm

Adm. Mullen should quit being a Shakespearean actor and get out of the 'to be or not to be' mode. Either TSP nukes are at risk of being taken over or not.

He cant bring in India to justify TSP keeping unsafe nukes. If TSP nukes are unsafe what is he doing to make them safe? Its irrelevant why they TSP has the nukes.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jul 2010 20:54

lsunil wrote:
Chief Minister Balochistan Aslam Raisani on Tuesday said a degree is a degree whether it is authentic or fake.
This is the same sort of diplomacy our indian diplomats encounter with the pakistani diplomats. But here is a guy saying the same sort of things and that to his own people. Im confused. Do these guys even know what their talking about?

These guys are country bumpkins down to the last one of them. This is the prime example of Lahori logic. One must really appreciate the people who have to bear these guys on the negotiating for hours.

BTW, good to see India sending SM Krishna to meet the slimy Qureshi. This is a match made in heaven, SMK might put Qureshi to sleep if Q is not alert, and SMK might not understand the cunning of Qureshi. Both are nearly equally powerless.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 01 Jul 2010 20:59

ramana wrote:
Adm. Mullen should quit being a Shakespearean actor and get out of the 'to be or not to be' mode. Either TSP nukes are at risk of being taken over or not.

He cant bring in India to justify TSP keeping unsafe nukes. If TSP nukes are unsafe what is he doing to make them safe? Its irrelevant why they TSP has the nukes.

Ramanagaru, that relationship is being maintained cautiously to achieve nuke-free south-asia

, the NPA pipedream.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 01 Jul 2010 20:59

satyam wrote:
sum wrote:Ticker on CNN-IBN :

Sharad Pawar has mentioned that since Indo-Pak talks have restarted, cricket series also should be restarted...

Another of CRS's predictions coming true!!!
Indian cricket itenary is fixed till 2012. So no Indo-Pak cricket till 2012.

If political will is there then BCCI can sure squeeze in a short indian team tour to pakistan may be say one test 3 one days like they did last year in order to dissuade and compensate srilanka from travelling to pakistan.Thats other thing after indian tour of srilanka in feb they traveled to pak and got attacked.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 Jul 2010 21:01

SSridhar wrote:
It seems that Pakistan has successfully weathered the PC storm.

What storm? What leverage did PC have in his hip pocket as he demanded action from TSP?

There are some folks whose writings, or at least some key points they make, one must pay attention to. On the US side it is scum bags like Uneven Cohen, and TSP side, its anti-India jihadi RAPEs in mufti like Jihadi Sethi. Go back past the reams and reams we have read on this topic. Both of them predicted that MMS wants to continue dialouge, but "hardliners" in India will keep harping on Mumbai; and TSP must find a way to manage that. So you see, in their minds, Mumbai is an "issue" India will "harp on" (I mean "hardliners" like PC), and all TSP has to do is "manage" the situation. And to the dot, this is what TSP has been doing, as is US when MMS issues token mumblings about TSP terror in his parleys with the big boys including Obama.

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 01 Jul 2010 21:03

ajit_tr wrote:If political will is there then BCCI can sure squeeze in a short indian team tour to pakistan may be say one test 3 one days like they did last year in order to dissuade and compensate srilanka from travelling to pakistan.Thats other thing after indian tour of srilanka in feb they traveled to pak and got attacked.

Not going to happen.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Jul 2010 21:07

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... stan-hs-02

Some details about The Ghazi Force.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 Jul 2010 21:08

ramana wrote:Nukes are Pak's main deterrent against India, says Mullen[/b]
Pakistan believes that nuclear weapons are its "crown jewels" and a deterrent against India, a top US military official has said, even as he expressed deep concern over the safety of the nukes in the country. "These (nuclear weapons) are their crown jewels," Admiral Mike Mullen Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in an interactive interview with David Sanger, chief Washington correspondent of The New York Times, at the Aspen Security Form on Tuesday.

He cant bring in India to justify TSP keeping unsafe nukes. If TSP nukes are unsafe what is he doing to make them safe? Its irrelevant why they TSP has the nukes.

RamanaGaru, I know you are too smart to take this nonsense at face value. Do you really believe for a moment that US is worried about TSP nuke power? As the eminent N^3 postulated, TSP is nuke nude as far as US and its western lackeys & Israel is concerned. TSP does not even make bones, nor do US NPAs, that TSP nukes are for India, and India alone. So you know who is the real target behind US angst regarding nukes in the region, right? And how they going about achieving nuke nude India by calibrating TSP threat.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 01 Jul 2010 21:09

satyam wrote:
ajit_tr wrote:If political will is there then BCCI can sure squeeze in a short indian team tour to pakistan may be say one test 3 one days like they did last year in order to dissuade and compensate srilanka from travelling to pakistan.Thats other thing after indian tour of srilanka in feb they traveled to pak and got attacked.
Not going to happen.

Oh sure it can happen.Coz present ICC chief sharad Pawar will sure like to rake in money from indo-pak tour through betting from his buddies of D-company.There is more money to make through betting in indo-pak match then any other series india plays.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Jul 2010 21:10

ajit_tr wrote:
If political will is there then BCCI can sure squeeze in a short indian team tour to pakistan may be say one test 3 one days like they did last year in order to dissuade and compensate srilanka from travelling to pakistan.Thats other thing after indian tour of srilanka in feb they traveled to pak and got attacked.

1. If we had political will we would be squeezing paki nuts.

2. Why contribute money to the paki jehadi system??

3. Why the un stinted support for the pakis??

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 Jul 2010 21:11

ajit_tr wrote: If political will is there then BCCI can sure squeeze in a short indian team tour to pakistan may be say one test 3 one days like they did last year in order to dissuade and compensate srilanka from travelling to pakistan.Thats other thing after indian tour of srilanka in feb they traveled to pak and got attacked.

You beat me to it. Yes, I am sure one phone call from Obama to MMS to Pawar to BCCI will do the trick.

But I want to ask you, do you think its a good idea to play cricket with the terrorists and filling thier coffers with $s so they can send in the LET boys into J&K and elsewhere?

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 01 Jul 2010 21:13

CRamS wrote:
ajit_tr wrote: If political will is there then BCCI can sure squeeze in a short indian team tour to pakistan may be say one test 3 one days like they did last year in order to dissuade and compensate srilanka from travelling to pakistan.Thats other thing after indian tour of srilanka in feb they traveled to pak and got attacked.
You beat me to it. Yes, I am sure one phone call from Obama to MMS to Pawar to BCCI will do the trick.

But I want to ask you, do you think its a good idea to play cricket with the terrorists and filling thier coffers with $s so they can send in the LET boys into J&K and elsewhere?

Are Pakistani players in CLT20 in South Africa ? No

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jul 2010 21:14

ramana wrote: Adm. Mullen should quit being a Shakespearean actor and get out of the 'to be or not to be' mode. Either TSP nukes are at risk of being taken over or not.

He cant bring in India to justify TSP keeping unsafe nukes. If TSP nukes are unsafe what is he doing to make them safe? Its irrelevant why they TSP has the nukes.

Correct.

I suspect that the US feels that the nukes are "safely" aimed at India as long as they are under control of the Paki army which is safely under control of the US.

The problem is those who are trying to topple the Pakistan army and stop it from being a US lackey.

Who are they? They are our inadvertent allies and the US knows it.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jul 2010 21:23

Sharad Pawar will have to thank the Pakistani Cricket Board for their votes in his election. Not that it mattered, his election was a forgone conclusion.
So he can be safely be expected to make the right noises about restarting cricketing ties. However there are two major impediments to any cricket or sports tour by India to Pakistan.
1. Pakistan has to demonstrate that it is acting to curb India specific terrorism that its ISI is sponsoring via groups such as the LET etc.
2. Pakistan's security situation needs to demonstrably improve. No team is going to tour pakistan if there are IED mubaraks going off every friday, if the Jihadis attack cricket teams to send messages to other nations.
3. The PM and the Home Minister have stated that the current violence in J&K and the protests have LET members present within them. Pakistan isn't exactly working towards creating bonhomie and peace here.

As far as the cricket boards are concerned, the PCB has on several occasions given their support to the BCCI in several cricketing related issues within the ICC and vice versa, the BCCI has supported the PCB. But the situation is not normal enough for any such tour to take place.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 01 Jul 2010 21:28

chetak wrote:
ajit_tr wrote:
1. If we had political will we would be squeezing paki nuts.

2. Why contribute money to the paki jehadi system??

3. Why the un stinted support for the pakis??

1.Political will for cricket is there coz both make money....secondly,GOI dont ve will to squeeze pakistani nuts but pakistani govt sure do've GOI by nuts.

2.Cricket is not the only way Jehadi makes money from india.they make more money through trade/smuggling with india.

3.Un-stinted support for pakistan is coz of GOI.and we are the one who installed GOI.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 01 Jul 2010 21:32

CRamS wrote:
ajit_tr wrote: If political will is there then BCCI can sure squeeze in a short indian team tour to pakistan may be say one test 3 one days like they did last year in order to dissuade and compensate srilanka from travelling to pakistan.Thats other thing after indian tour of srilanka in feb they traveled to pak and got attacked.
You beat me to it. Yes, I am sure one phone call from Obama to MMS to Pawar to BCCI will do the trick.

But I want to ask you, do you think its a good idea to play cricket with the terrorists and filling thier coffers with $s so they can send in the LET boys into J&K and elsewhere?

Indians working in usa and other countries pays taxes to those countries govt.and same countries give arms for free to pakistan.Dont you think that indians are indirectly sending arms to pakistan to kill indians by paying taxes in those countries????If you think thats valid then playing cricket is also valid.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jul 2010 21:33

CRamS-ji,
You are unduly negative in your outlook towards Indian leaders, I find that you paint the most gloomy predictions of the future. Things have not come to such a pass. Not much is to be gained by calling wolf at every step.
The troubles between India and Pakistan can't be settled in today's date. This is going to be only one settlement to the issues, and we will be delighted at them. We need to have patience.
India will outlast its adversaries, and pakistan is not even a worthy adversary.
JMT