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On deaf and dumb, I can't but help noticing the prayers for the dead being recited. There was not even a fraction of this remorse when twice this number of Ahmediyas were killed not 10 Kms from Data Darbar. Some fool came up and justified those murders as 'wajib-ul-qital', this from the religious speechs on the religious TV channels in pakistan and from the fiery speeches in the mosques.
Today, some wahabi fool was justifying the murder in the sufi shrine as justified saying that they were not muslims because they were worshiping graves!

As the violence hits home in pakistani punjab, more such divisions and bigotry will come to the surface. It was most enlightening to read what the deaf and dumb forum posters had to say. That is a filtered version of what the educated in pakistan are like.
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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -270-rs-01
“We are not responsible for these attacks, this is a conspiracy by foreign secret agencies, you know we do not attack public places,” Azam Tariq, a spokesman for Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan told AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location.

“We condemn this brutal act. Our target is very clear and we only attack police, army and other security personnel,” he added.
Ahem, is the subtext - the Pakistani people should embrace us, we target only their oppressors?
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RajeshA wrote: A_Gupta ji,

You should not mistake the comments here as 'gloating' over the deaths of some human beings. We are not doing that. It may even be an expression of satisfaction that our enemy is feeling the same pain as we do!
Acknowledged.

In the meantime, the denial is still nearly complete:
One of the two suicide bombers was identified on Friday, as Usman, who was a resident of Barki Hadyara, near Lahore.

His body was identified by his family at the morgue, where they said that he had not been seen at home since many months. ........

Lahore Commissioner Khusro Pervaiz Bakhtiar told journalists at the spot that the bombers had blown themselves up during a large congregation.

In reply to a question about involvement of a foreign hand in the attack, he said the strike was a horrible conspiracy but “our own people become instruments in the hands of others”.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_pakistan
But on Friday, few Pakistanis interviewed saw militants at the root of the problem.
It is the US, Ahmedis, Hindus, Jews.
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Gagan wrote:Please add pontificating "enter choicest words here" to that list.
ajit_tr is having a ball of a time, he has got every BRFite to respond to his silly posts.
Yet he continues in the face of overwhelming evidence and water tight arguments that pakistan is upto no good, to equate india's and indians sincerety with pakistan's crass slyness.

One can only opine that he is here to spread his pakistaniyat, as it is June was a relatively quiet month back in Pakistan, so he has kept us entertained.
Well July is a different month, and things have started off with a - bang.

While one feels deeply aghast at such sheer contempt for human life as the terrorist acts ongoing in Pakistan, I am also reminded of the fact that most of the people killed - the killers and the victims alike found it to be just fine if a kafir was killed in cold blood by a believer.

Well allah is paying them back with interest. When he is through with the pakistanis and their terror loving ways, they will indeed be the purest and the most peace loving nation on earth, with decades of bitter experience to back it, with each individual having personal stories to how bigotry did them in. They will be pure, as their pakiness will be cleansed off them.

I say that what ever allah tala / god / bhagwaan does, he does for a reason.
You know Gagan , I have often wondered as to why the onus is on us to explain our stance. The likes of Ajit_tr and countless other WKKs claim the high moral stand first! That I do not like. I refuse to let him take that chair where he thinks he has the upper moral hand!
The onus should be on him to explain why he took the stance despite overwhleming, gut-wrenching, sad and painful evidence to the contrary. This IMVHO this should be the deal with WKKs. Call them traitors, anti-nationals who revel at making peace with terrorist sympathisers over the sorrow of families of victims - first! Watch them squirm and then kick them in their teeth with facts when they are down !
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sunilUpa wrote::rotfl: :rotfl: Why are you guys even bothering to reply?
Right. Let us be minority friendly and allow a WKK to survive here. :lol:
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Neela wrote:You know Gagan , I have often wondered as to why the onus is on us to explain our stance. The likes of Ajit_tr and countless other WKKs claim the high moral stand first! That I do not like. I refuse to let him take that chair where he thinks he has the upper moral hand!
The onus should be on him to explain why he took the stance despite overwhleming, gut-wrenching, sad and painful evidence to the contrary. This IMVHO this should be the deal with WKKs. Call them traitors, anti-nationals who revel at making peace with terrorist sympathisers over the sorrow of families of victims - first! Watch them squirm and then kick them in their teeth with facts when they are down !
I've always wondered what makes a person completely oblivious to reality and lay all fault at the doors of his own, at the same time whitewashing the actions of countless mass-murdering terrorist by equating them with a few lathi wielding hooligans.
the only one I can think of is a deep seated inferiority complex and a mortal fear at having been born in the 'wrong' camp. if push comes to shove, they would have no qualms to sell the lives of countless innocents in order to save their own skin for one more minute.
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Suppiah wrote:
Mian Sajjad Ahmad, Sajjada Nasheen (In-charge) of the Darbar, said they had been receiving threats. He regretted that inadequate security measures led to the incident. He believed that no Muslim could be involved in the said act of terrorism.
Great!!! More work to clean Pakistan of these non-muslims.

BTW, do I see people with shoes in that Mosque? Is this allowed? Didn't they demand IA removes its shoes, cleans their hands and face before entering a mosque for anti-terror operations???
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OMG! Just imagine the horror, IEDs designed by Packi IIT graduates!
Move over Faisal Shahzad, et al with your "amateurish" IED fizzles.
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"Pakistanis blame US after shrine attack kills 42"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD9GMOTPO2
several Pakistanis interviewed Friday said the real root of the problem was the U.S. presence in Afghanistan and its missile strikes against militants in Pakistan's tribal regions.
America is killing Muslims in Afghanistan and in our tribal areas, and militants are attacking Pakistan to express anger against the government for supporting America
Several others interviewed blamed the Ahmadis, a minority sect that has long faced discrimination in Pakistan. On May 28 in Lahore, gunmen and a suicide squad targeted two Ahmadi mosques, massacring at least 93 people.

I think the Ahmadis were behind the attack
:shock:
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A_Gupta wrote:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -270-rs-01
“We are not responsible for these attacks, this is a conspiracy by foreign secret agencies, you know we do not attack public places,” Azam Tariq, a spokesman for Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan told AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location.

“We condemn this brutal act. Our target is very clear and we only attack police, army and other security personnel,” he added.
In c. 2008, a disturbing news emanated of Taliban influence in Lahore where CD shop owners in Hall Road were threatened who promptly burnt all CDs taking the threat seriously, women were ordered to cover their heads over loudspeakers from mosques in the Liberty Market, and places where men and women intermixed were bombed though lightly. Several cinema houses and at least one upmarket restaurant was bombed. Clearly, this showed the presence of the Taliban.

A few days back, two bombs exploded in CD shops in the same Hall Road targetted two years back. This was an indication that the Taliban were again becoming active in Lahore. For a number of months now, reports have been coming of increased presence of the Taliban in South Punjab.

The Taliban had blown shrines earlier all over FATA & NWFP, the most recent being the three hundred year old Rehman Baba Mausoleum (a legendary Sufi poet of the region) on Mar 05, 2009 in Peshawar. The very next day, they blasted another shrine in Nowshera.

It is therefore difficult to believe that the Taliban could not have been involved in this.
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partha wrote:"Pakistanis blame US after shrine attack kills 42"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD9GMOTPO2
several Pakistanis interviewed Friday said the real root of the problem was the U.S. presence in Afghanistan and its missile strikes against militants in Pakistan's tribal regions.
That is exactly what the Learned Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court also said passing a judgement in a case a couple of days back.
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A_Gupta wrote:Not to justify or excuse anything that happened that led to Partition; but do be a little objective. The suspicious Muslims in British India - they needed to take a leap of faith; there was no hard evidence that an independent India would be something different and new; democracy was new, trusting the people themselves with the future was new; and there was, and as Shiv loves to point out, there still is no guarantee of the success of that project called India. So much can still go wrong.

So they were stick-in-the-mud and remain stuck in the mud. Yes, they have chosen to systematically to try to expunge anything Indic in their culture.

But this attack is not some Pakistan Army-Taliban roadside clash where the creator and the created slaughter each other; this is not merely a killing of people. This is an attack on civilization itself. The attack may be an outcome caused by their own mistakes; but it is still not something to gloat over.
So for you it is OK to instigate worst-ever religious riots killing million plus Indians (I am not counting Pawkis) as a means to express one's political doubts on the feasibility of the project called India? And you have the audacity to talk about human rights???

Now you and Ajit-r are questioning other posters' motives on accepting the ideology that Pakistan is created for; pure hatred and disrespect for humanity.

This attack is purer-pakis killing less-purer pakis, and questioning it amounts to questioning Islam. What do we have to do with that?

Let all the impurity of Pakistan washed in the blood river of Ghaznavi. Then the WKKs will have the purest Pakis to negotiate with.

See what you are calling a religiously motivated terror attack on a place of worship - an outcome caused by their mistakes????
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A_gupta ji, you might want to read (assuming you haven't already) how these 'concerned about existence' people went about expressing their feelings by a festival called direct action day. the origin of pakistan thread is there if you want to take this forward.
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Gagan wrote:What!!!
Hazrat Zaid Hamid (PBUH) is an Ahmedi??? !!!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Gagan, you were probably wondering why a Kafir was saying that ZH was an Ahmedi. Now, even Khalid Khwaja is accused of being an Ahmedi. (From TFT Nuggets)
Was Khalid Khwaja Qadiani?

Reported in Nawa-e-Waqt (18 May 2010) a TV channel called MTV :) (M standing for Mirzai) had claimed that Khalid Khwaja was a Qadiani and had died fulfilling his mission in the Tribal Areas. On this the cousin of Khalid Khwaja, Imamuddin Khwaja, said this was a lie because his clan was strictly orthodox Muslims and Khalid Khwaja’s father and grandfather had taken part in jihad for Kashmir. Even great journalist Ghulam Rasul Meher had written in their praise.
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NUGGETS from TFT
Black Tuesday and Pakistan

According to Jinnah (19 May 2010), all governments in Pakistan fall on Tuesdays. Ayub Khan and Yahya Khan fell on Tuesday. General Zia imposed martial law on Tuesday; and General Musharraf fell on Tuesday. This time there will be no martial law but whatever the judiciary tells the army to do, will happen. If Pakistan is to be saved, Pakistan Day will have to be celebrated on 15 August and not 14 August. {Won't that equate them with harami SDRE ? AoA}

Cricketer Yusuf’s three brothers become Muslim

Daily Waqt (22 May 2010) reported that three brothers of Pakistan cricketer and ex-captain Muhammad Yusuf had also embraced Islam along with their entire families. Yusuf had embraced Islam in 2005 and seeing his example, his brothers too have followed suit. They have been renamed Muhammad Irshad, Muhammad Ajmal and Muhammad Jameel. On hearing this, a wave of happiness swept through cricket fans (lehar daur gayee).

Chief Justice as saint!


Chief Editor of Jinnah (20 May 2010) wrote that Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court Khwaja Sharif had established his spiritual contact with the One in Madina (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) and whatever he now asks, he asks from Allah and is counted among those who seek the bounty of the Prophet PBUH. He will be rewarded in the Hereafter for taking off the website insulting the Holy Prophet PBUH.{Not for nothing is he known as the 'pro-jihadi judge'. He is repeatedly behind quashing Hafeez Saeed's arrests.}

Take Yusuf back as captain!

According to daily Islam (23 May 2010) leader of Ahle Hadith and head of Senate Committee on Social Welfare Prof Sajid Mir has complained that cricketer Muhammad Yusuf has been punished for his love of religion. He said PCB should immediately lift the ban from him and include him in the national tram, and it should discourage the secular lobby that was conspiring against Yusuf.
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archan wrote:
sunilUpa wrote::rotfl: :rotfl: Why are you guys even bothering to reply?
Right. Let us be minority friendly and allow a WKK to survive here. :lol:
Aaare saheb, where did I mention that we should allow the WKK to survive here hain?
Arguing/debating with them serves no purpose. Only thing they know is ==
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X Posted from the Pakistani Terrorism thread.

The Islamic Terrorist fomenting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on display yet again. IEDology of Pakistan exported to Afghanistan

Major General Gordon Messenger spokesman for Britain’s mission in Afghanistan:
Pakistan and Iran 'backing Afghan attacks on British troops'

Bomb attacks that are killing British troops in Afghanistan are being funded and supplied from Iran and Pakistan, a senior officer has said.

By James Kirkup, Political Correspondent
Published: 2:49PM BST 01 Jul 2010 …………………..

Maj Gen Messenger told reporters in London that British military intelligence has found “evidence” that some of the IED attacks are being supported from outside Afghanistan.

“We are looking beyond Afghanistan in terms of the provision of some of the more sophisticated components and the provision of finance,” he said. “There is evidence that something is coming in from Iran, something is coming in from Pakistan.” …………………..

The Telegraph, UK
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Pakistan to raise human rights situation in J&K during Krishna visit

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 116018.cms
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Menon to take up Sino-Pak nuclear deal, bilateral issues with China

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article496888.ece
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Pakistan Under Pressure to Act After Lahore Violence

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/07/ ... -bomb.html
About 2,000 people, some armed, staged protests in Lahore, shouting "Down with Shahbaz Sharif," :shock: the chief minister of Punjab. His repeated vows to defeat terrorists were ridiculed.
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Rahul M wrote:A_gupta ji, you might want to read (assuming you haven't already) how these 'concerned about existence' people went about expressing their feelings by a festival called direct action day. the origin of pakistan thread is there if you want to take this forward.
The true nature of the concern of the Muslims who supported Pakistan before Partition was not so much about their existence but the fear of possibly being dominated when all their lives they have been taught to see groups as either dominating or being dominated. They had no conception of a universe in which people are free in the modern sense, their group affiliation giving them neither a leg up nor a leg down in the larger institutional scheme of things (members of group X may prefer to help other members of their own group but that's a matter of motivation, not something enshrined in the founding principles of the nation).

Basically the Pakis got hold of a losing "big idea" of nationhood and are trapped in it; it has made them too stupid to even have the ability to see their error. The reason for India's floundering on its way to losing to the Paki error is that we never really clarified and articulated to ourselves our own "big idea" (perfectly captured in Tagore's "...where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection...") and its superiority and correctness. If we don't know what we believe in and are striving for as a nation, then it stands to reason that we won't bother to seriously fight to defend it.
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MTV is broadcast from London. It is a well know Ahmedi muslim channel.
I know people in India who subscribe to it.
But I was given to believe that the 'M' stood for Muslim TV. Perhaps the troubles faced by the Ahmedis in Pakistan has caused the change in nomenclature from "Muslim TV" to "Mushriq TV"
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Pakistan to raise human rights situation in J&K during Krishna visit

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 116018.cms
:evil:

Can't India raise the human rights situation of Ahmedis and shia in Pak ?

Does anyone else think TOIlet newspaper has become a mouthpiece for terrorist and rubbish news.
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Satyam -> forget all that , what about Human RIghts in POK and Pakistan agreeing to use force to kick out any third parties holding any J&K land other than India and Pakistan
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Airavat wrote:Most Pakistanis are Sufi claims the WSJ

But no surprise really, since the article is co-written by Zahid Hussain, a Pakistani journalist. He goes on to claim: "Government and security officials say that as ordinary Pakistanis become increasingly weary of regular attacks, militants could become subject to backlash from the country's more moderate majority." :rotfl:

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Investigators and security officials at the Data Gunj Bakhsh complex in Lahore, Pakistan, after three suicide bombers attacked the Sufi shrine during late-night prayers Thursday.

Zahid Hussain is right that most TSP are Sufis (Sunnis). What has happened since Zia's Islamization pogorm is that Paki Wahabandis are trying to deSufi the pakistani population. There is a large scale internal religious (intra and inter) civil war inside TSP with state supported Wahabandis against all others Sunnis: Deobandis, Barelvis and Ahle Hadiths. And all the Sunnis are agaisnt Shias. And these two are against Ahmediyas/Qaidianis.

Late night prayers are not there in the five times namaz from sunrise to sunset.
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KLNMurthy wrote:
Rahul M wrote:A_gupta ji, you might want to read (assuming you haven't already) how these 'concerned about existence' people went about expressing their feelings by a festival called direct action day. the origin of pakistan thread is there if you want to take this forward.
The true nature of the concern of the Muslims who supported Pakistan before Partition was not so much about their existence but the fear of possibly being dominated when all their lives they have been taught to see groups as either dominating or being dominated. They had no conception of a universe in which people are free in the modern sense, their group affiliation giving them neither a leg up nor a leg down in the larger institutional scheme of things (members of group X may prefer to help other members of their own group but that's a matter of motivation, not something enshrined in the founding principles of the nation).
I doubt that is true KLN Murthy garu,

The logic behind separate Muslim state was the fear of hindu retribution, given the power (state has the highest power in a nation) they get under a democratic process, for the immense mayhem islamic kingdoms caused in pre-colonial Bharat. IML tried to mitigate this risk by asking for 50% reserved seats in the parliamentary system.

The loss of authority over Hindu population is only second step, followed by the free money that would come with that. This risk was mitigated by asking for separate nation.
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Episode of Jirga 28-6-2010 with Saleem Safi:
Discussion on Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Interesting list of participants: Mirwaiz Yasini (Afghan Dy Speaker), Aftab Shepao (PPP), Md Ibrahim (Jamat-e-Islami), MK Achakzai (PMAP), Gen(R)Hamid Nawaz (Rustic Country Bumpkin), Fazal-ur-rehman, Afrasiab khattak (ANP), and Bimbette Maria Sultan
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AunoXIMFbig
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Humxlsxd3PY
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAaXB6ne4tY
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e6EZKcrALA

Only see if you are bored or really into af-pak
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They get official Indian visas for a fee of pakistani rs 15???


http://www.indianexpress.com/news/stiff ... is/641289/

Stiff rules soon for visas to Pakistanis

Posted: Fri Jul 02 2010
New Delhi:

The Home Ministry, which holds visa power on applications from Pakistanis, is bringing in stringent eligibility conditions to keep out “unwanted elements”.

Norms proposed by the Intelligence Bureau introduce an income criteria whereby only applications from those with monthly income exceeding Pakistani Rupees 25,000 would be entertained. An educational qualification — at least High School — would also be a must, IB sources said.

Besides, there will be “some financial criteria for the Indian sponsor that they visit” and “the status of the person standing surety would be examined before the visa is approved”.

Those applying for a business visa will have to show a monthly income of Pakistani Rs 1 lakh, with a minimum annual turnover of the sponsor company at Pakistani Rs 1 crore, to qualify for the visit.

Instead of the low visa fee of Pakistani Rs 15, applicants are likely to be charged $40 (INR 1,860) irrespective of the visa category.
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Today, some wahabi fool was justifying the murder in the sufi shrine as justified saying that they were not muslims because they were worshiping graves!



And you know Islam better than its adherents?

When non-abduls understand that they are a only reservoir for conversion or death, concern for a humanistic Abdul might be tempered by a more sensible fear for self-preservation. I say this with some disquiet as I at one time believed abdulism was an aberration subscribed to by a nutcase minority. Daily events in Pakistan have convinced me otherwise.
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A_Gupta wrote:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -270-rs-01
“We are not responsible for these attacks, this is a conspiracy by foreign secret agencies, you know we do not attack public places,” Azam Tariq, a spokesman for Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan told AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location.“We condemn this brutal act. Our target is very clear and we only attack police, army and other security personnel,” he added.
Ahem, is the subtext - the Pakistani people should embrace us, we target only their oppressors?
Its is not the foreign hand in Poakee Musharraf causing this pain but the Foreign Islamist Ideology Injected by Qasim into the blood of Poakkee Kaffirs. Either become pure like Qasim or die and become good Poakee. Paoakland has 2 choices to live with , Wahabandi or Nasbandi. Both will lead to eventual Nirvana.
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Gagan wrote:On deaf and dumb, I can't but help noticing the prayers for the dead being recited. There was not even a fraction of this remorse when twice this number of Ahmediyas were killed not 10 Kms from Data Darbar. Some fool came up and justified those murders as 'wajib-ul-qital', this from the religious speechs on the religious TV channels in pakistan and from the fiery speeches in the mosques.

Today, some wahabi fool was justifying the murder in the sufi shrine as justified saying that they were not muslims because they were worshiping graves!

As the violence hits home in pakistani punjab, more such divisions and bigotry will come to the surface. It was most enlightening to read what the deaf and dumb forum posters had to say. That is a filtered version of what the educated in pakistan are like.

That fool is a prototypical Paki Wahabandi. He will prescribe more Islam for the rest.

The reason is in a religion of the book, the litteral follower will trump the literal interpreter. So the Sufis are literal interpreters who Asianised Islam to make it easy for new converts. They allowed grave worship/mazars, singing songs and dancing(whirling dervishes) in praise of Rabba or Allah etc to make it Islam lite.

Once they are in they cant check out and the litteral follower will give/prescribe them more Islam till in the limit they revert to seventh century pure Arabised Islam..
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satyam wrote:
Does anyone else think TOIlet newspaper has become a mouthpiece for terrorist and rubbish news.
It does not take long to see through their agenda.
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Neela wrote: You know Gagan , I have often wondered as to why the onus is on us to explain our stance. The likes of Ajit_tr and countless other WKKs claim the high moral stand first! That I do not like. I refuse to let him take that chair where he thinks he has the upper moral hand!
The onus should be on him to explain why he took the stance despite overwhleming, gut-wrenching, sad and painful evidence to the contrary. This IMVHO this should be the deal with WKKs. Call them traitors, anti-nationals who revel at making peace with terrorist sympathisers over the sorrow of families of victims - first! Watch them squirm and then kick them in their teeth with facts when they are down !
He is not a WKK, he is a Paki. He admitted that somewhere on this thread or the last one.
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SSridhar wrote: In c. 2008, a disturbing news emanated of Taliban influence in Lahore where CD shop owners in Hall Road were threatened who promptly burnt all CDs taking the threat seriously, women were ordered to cover their heads over loudspeakers from mosques in the Liberty Market, and places where men and women intermixed were bombed though lightly. Several cinema houses and at least one upmarket restaurant was bombed. Clearly, this showed the presence of the Taliban.
I have some vague reasons to believe that some of these businesses that were threatened were Ahmedi-owned, and hence perhaps doubly a reason to be targetted. If I find hard evidence I will post it.
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Lahore Bombings and the Future of Pakistan
Violence in the Punjab strikes at the very heart of the national consciousness. One can meaningfully speak of "Pakistan" and separate Balochistan, or talk about North Waziristan as not really part of Pakistan. But "Pakistan" without the Punjab is meaningless.
That may be one reason the national government has been reluctant to recognize the fact that the the Punjab is now the base for an array of terrorist groups.
Another reason may be the fact that the Punjab has also historically been the home to extremist groups operating in Kashmir, with the tacit or direct support of the national government. As Ahmed Rashid explains, to a great extent, the rise in Punjabi terrorism represents a resurgence of these groups -- a particularly brutal case of chickens coming home to roost. (For other commentary, go here and here.

Which brings us to the far more disturbing element of the story. In May 2009, when Tehrik-i-Taliaban claimed credit for a suicide attack in Lahore that killed 26 people, security personnel responded by insisting that the attackers had come from Waziristan, since the group "does not have an organizational structure" in Punjab. But denial is the least of the worries. Over the past year, the provincial government of Punjab has not only demonstrated reluctance to crack down on extremist groups, it has at times given indications of encouraging them
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-sc ... 33345.html
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I wonder, if the purest are coming down upon the Lahoris shouting AoA! and purifying them, what will the lahoris do?

I can see the badmash brothers have made their choices. They are going to fund and get closer to the Pure Punjabi puttars - the JUD/LET to provide them and their followers with security, and votes in the elections.
Badmash sharif tried to play the Ahmedi card, figuring that the recent attack on them would have created a unified votebank out of them.

But at the end of the day, if the Pashtoons are killing Pakjabis in Punjab, and the Pak fauj is sitting in the barracks, then the importance of the JUD increases.
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No gagan. Badmash brothers are trying to steal the sarkari Islamists from the TSPA. The reason is the lastname badmash. Wahabandis will rally after the badmash name.
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Prem wrote:
Which brings us to the far more disturbing element of the story. In May 2009, when Tehrik-i-Taliaban claimed credit for a suicide attack in Lahore that killed 26 people, security personnel responded by insisting that the attackers had come from Waziristan, since the group "does not have an organizational structure" in Punjab. But denial is the least of the worries. Over the past year, the provincial government of Punjab has not only demonstrated reluctance to crack down on extremist groups, it has at times given indications of encouraging them

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-sc ... 33345.html
Do we see a pattern here.
After the bombing of NWFP and Baluchistan against Taliban all the terrorists have come over to Punjab to hide and they are getting restless.

The Punjab has become the sanctuary of the terrorists away from the Afghan border and ISAF will not enter the Punjab area. This is putting lot of pressure on the local communities and tension is building up. Watch this space
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Dipanker wrote:
Neela wrote: He is not a WKK, he is a Paki. He admitted that somewhere on this thread or the last one.
There are 2 more Poakees here who think they have successfuly passed the test.
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The saint whose shrine was bombed authored a famous book.
An important theme that runs through the book is strictly practising the outward observances of Islamic injunctions. A great upholder of the sacred law, Ali Hujwiri expalins clearly that no God-seeker – not even one who attains the supreme degree of spiritual advancement – is above the commands of the Qur'an and Sunna.
http://www.maktabah.org/index.php/sufis ... hjoob.html

Seems ironic.
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