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abhishek_sharma wrote:6 Questions for summertime
Abhishek-ji, in general a few statement of your own, on the many links you post, will be very welcome. Kindly consider.
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The "Indus" factor,is very apt.However,no matter how much the US wannts aan Indo-US aprtnership forthe Asia-Pacific,its Nelsonian eye to what is happening on either side of the "Indus" in Pakistan ,engaged in a fanatical war against India using terrorism,nurtured and sustained largely by US military and economic aid,in fact without it pakistan would immediately collapse,its grandiose ambitions to pressgang India into becoming another impotent,servile ally-like SoKO or Japan,or Oz for that matter, is going to come a cropper.

Obama's retreat from Afghanistan(he wants to bring the troops home in time for his re-election campaign ),though one must be fair here the war was started by Dubya Bush,is fatally flawed because instead of engaging with regional Central Asian powers and Russia and India,genuine stakeholders,he prefers to strike a side deal with the Paki bred Taliban,who deface women and waish to lead Afghanistan back half a century into the dark ages! These worthies have just devastated the Intercon Hotel in Kabul,hunting down guests just like the Paki attackers of 26/11.The similarities are so striking that one woners whether the attcak was another scheme hatched by the ISI.Time will tell.THis kick in his backkside by the Taliban must be a sore moment for him and as US troops begin to leave,their retreat will be accompanied by even more fireworks.
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the attack is supposed to have been conducted by the haqqani posse - that is as ISI as it gets
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Pranab Mukherjee's visit could lead to TSP unravelling in a few more years.
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ranjbe wrote: This scenario is possible but unlikely today. Mexicans have a saying "Poor Mexico ... so near USA, so far from God". Mexico has a tiny army, navy and air force, equipped with US equipment. It's economy is totally dependent upon the USA, and will collapse if US investment and tourism is cut off. Given the current situation, there is very little chance of any Reconquista, demographic or otherwise. The new immigration law in Arizona is an example of how nasty WASP's can get if they believe that illegal immigration is overwhelming the country. Fifty or hundred years from now, who knows?

army, navy, air force are needed when you are located thousands of miles away. if you are located right next to US and have a surging population that you are exporting to US, you are playing an unconventional game. you are playing a game which has the potential to change US power from the inside. Russia needed a huge military to face off US. but Mexico doesn't need it. eventually, Mexico will develop it. but that is not the main "power projection" of mexico. it is the population exportation that is Mexico's "power projection."

if you go to Southwest, the "economic dependence" works both ways. there are cities from California to Texas, within a 200 mile distance from Mexico which are totally dependent on trade ties with Mexico for generating employment. El Paso, and San Diego are two most spectacular examples of this. if Mexican immigration and all ties with Mexico were severed, most of the economic activity in from Los Angeles to San Diego, to Western Texas will simply dry up. part of this is b/c the labor employment is completely dominated by Mexicans. these people are now necessary to fuel these economies.

it is only the huge WASP populations in Cali, and Texas that are keeping the demographic balance. in terms of what it means for American power elite, check out the links below. pay careful attention to the economic stats on Mexicans. their median income, etc. there are some very strong trends emerging, and these trends will play a huge role. one thing that is obvious is that Mexicans are forming a social group that is "upwardly mobile." this is something that the vast majority of Blacks haven't achieved yet. but Mexicans have already started on this path. this means that eventually they will become educated and assertive, and will want their share of power.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-0 ... -u-s-.html


http://www.taylordailypress.net/opinion ... 002e0.html
Consequently Aguirre, even though he speaks English, felt more comfortable providing testimony in Spanish, his native language.
Aguirre did not break any laws in making his presentation in Spanish. In fact, Aguirre was participating in accordance with the First Amendment right granted him by the US Constitution
Harris will be confronting the Sleeping Giant when seeking reelection because 34% of his constituents are Hispanic and even though many have lived here all their lives, they speak Spanish and they have been insulted by his remarks.
Harris would be upset if he knew I still speak Spanish after having lived here over 60 years. The question remains, why do I still speak Spanish? The answer is simple; I speak Spanish because I can and because I want to.

http://www.kansas.com/2011/06/05/187915 ... ansas.html
Fighting tea with tequila, a new Hispanic political movement is coming to Kansas.

Organizing around the slogan "your shot for change," the "tequila party" will to try to counter the influence on immigration policy of the tea party movement.

The tequila party's goal is to register and mobilize as many Hispanic voters as possible during the 2012 election season.

Dates and details have not been set yet, but the basic premise is a national tour of Latino entertainers, aimed a drawing crowds to encourage Hispanic participation in the political process.

"We're starting to look at legislators who are anti-immigrant-anything and cater to the tea party," said Rep. Louis Ruiz, D-Kansas City, who will be leading the effort at the state level.

While it was mainly organized around fighting taxes and national health care, the predominantly white tea party movement lent strong support to efforts to crack down on illegal immigration.

The tequila party is planning to hold events in Wichita, Topeka and the Kansas City area, said DeeDee Garcia Blase, its national president.

The group launched its national campaign Saturday in Tucson, and Blase — a former Wichita business owner who now lives in Arizona — is stepping down as president of the Latino GOP group Somos Republicans, to devote full time to the new movement.

Ruiz said the tequila party will be racing the calendar to register as many voters as possible before the state's new voter-ID law renders mass registration drives impractical.

After Dec. 31, 2012, new registrants will have to prove citizenship with documents such as a birth certificate or passport, which opponents point out that few people carry on a day-to-day basis.

The tequila party movement was born in frustration with an Arizona immigration law requiring police to check citizenship of people they suspect are in the country illegally. Activists have expressed concern that the law — currently on hold while facing court challenges — could lead to the splitting of families and to citizens and legal immigrants of Hispanic descent being unfairly detained and questioned.

The Kansas Legislature passed on an opportunity to enact a similar law during the recently concluded legislative session.

Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who helped write the Arizona law and was the leading proponent of Kansas' voter ID act, said he supports the tequila party's efforts to register new voters.

"I'm 100 percent behind any effort to get people registered to vote, provided they're U.S. citizens," Kobach said. "Insofar as the Kansas tequila party is attempting to get people to register and get people involved in Kansas politics, I'm all for it."

But Kobach also said he thinks the tequila party's concern over the proof of citizenship requirement in his voter ID law is misplaced.

He said groups will still be able to have people fill out registration cards at mass events and the prospective voters will be able to send a copy of their proof-of-citizenship documents to their county election office later.

Ruiz said he was contacted by the tequila party after criticizing fellow Rep. Virgil Peck, R-Tyro, over a remark Peck made in a legislative hearing on a bill to authorize sharpshooters to kill feral pigs from helicopters.

Peck's comment —"if shooting these immigrating feral hogs works, maybe we have found a (solution) to our illegal immigration problem" — drew national attention to Kansas. Democrats' demand to censure Peck went largely ignored.

The tequila party is purposely nonpartisan. Blase has announced she is changing her registration from Republican to independent to drive that point home.

In Kansas, Ruiz, a Democrat, will be leading the effort statewide; Bob Hernandez, a Republican, Iraq War veteran and leader of the American GI Forum, will lead the Wichita effort.

Hernandez said it's inexcusable that Hispanics make up 15 percent of the population but only 9 percent of the voting population.

"We're the largest ethnic minority and what do we have to show for it?" he said, citing longstanding problems for Hispanic communities such as teen pregnancy, gangs and high dropout rates.

"Obviously, we need to get more involved to make things happen," he said.

Hernandez said organizing Hispanic participation nationwide will be a daunting task, trying to bridge cultural and political divides between groups such as Cuban-Americans in Florida, Puerto Ricans in New York and Mexican-Americans in the southwest.

"The tequila party, if it's around for a while, maybe it can make some good changes," Hernandez said.
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In this video, Florida Republican HouseRep Cliff Stearns is speaking on floor of US Congress about some alleged attack on Christians & Evangelists by "Hindu extremists" who call themselves "Religious Army"

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devesh wrote:pay careful attention to the economic stats on Mexicans. their median income, etc. there are some very strong trends emerging, and these trends will play a huge role. one thing that is obvious is that Mexicans are forming a social group that is "upwardly mobile." this is something that the vast majority of Blacks haven't achieved yet. but Mexicans have already started on this path. this means that eventually they will become educated and assertive, and will want their share of power.
one can already imagine seperatist / scesessionist movements that might emerge in the US in the future if the country's prosperity was substantially diminished and ethic violence broke out.
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ramana wrote:Pranab Mukherjee's visit could lead to TSP unravelling in a few more years.
True. I don't think people realise how serious the situation for Pak is. If their funders cut off their funding, they'd be bankrupt in a little over amonth. Thats why N Rao was saying ou relations with Beijing, Washington and Riyadh is also about Pak.

They are in great financial difficulty just trying to compete with our economic growth and match our defence spending.
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ramana wrote:Pranab Mukherjee's visit could lead to TSP unravelling in a few more years.
ramana garu,

that is a far-reaching statement. Would appreciate some elaboration on such a causality!
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RajeshA wrote:
ramana wrote:Pranab Mukherjee's visit could lead to TSP unravelling in a few more years.
ramana garu,

that is a far-reaching statement. Would appreciate some elaboration on such a causality!
By the visit the Pak establishment will loose all the anti-India movement inside Pakistan which holds them together
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Citing this, DDM will go ballistic about India having arrived on the global scene :-).
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abhishek_sharma wrote:US strongly supports NSG clean waiver for India: Roemer

Roemer sahab is leaving.

Teaching U.S. geography..

Other fotus.

and the next bugger we are getting as ambassador ................ :)

At least he will make no hypocritical pretense of how he is going to go about his business of rogering India.
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It appears that the new guy is Chargé d'Affaires onlee. Probably Ombaba will send a political appointee soon.
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Pity,if Burleigh's tenure is a short one.The political appointees geenerally come with heaps of "baggage"',from their political stance.constituencies,etc,who will push for slices of India's eco pie-to support loca industry,etc.US pressure from such a political appointee along these lines will serve neither side.
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Pranab Mukherjee will be in Washington, meeting again with Timothy Geithner, and with other high level officials. Let us see what comes of this in terms of relations. The one thing we missed in this forum is Geithner's recent statement about having India as a US top 10 trading partner. True, his statements in Delhi were condescending and I personally don't care for Geithner, but US-India trade stands at about $50 billion/year. The first 4 months of this year it exceeded $17 billion according to the US Dept. of Commerce. Right now, the largest trading partners of the US in order are Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, Germany, UK, SoKo and France. India currently ranks at number 12. US-UK trade is about $100 billion/year and there is no reason why US-India trade could not surpass that within 2-3 years.

Please see the following link:
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5330.html

Increased trade, particularly if US-India trade exceeds US-Germany trade, will result in whichever US political party in control of the presidency to think twice about any adverse strategic decisions toward India. Negative issues will still arise, but any president will think about how to quickly correct the situation.
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Mort Walker,

What was the condescending statement that Timothy Geithner made? I may have missed it.
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CRamS,

It was in the Hindu and Economic Times, but basically Geithner's comments were in reference to the reduction of trade barriers in India so that US goods & services could be sold. He basically stated that US drugs have save lives of many Indians and is helping India out of poverty. I can't recall the exact words and the newspapers may have mis-quoted out of context as well, but it didn't seem nice to me.

Anyway, doesn't matter much as money talks and shit walks and we'll be discussing the $100+ billion US-India trade here in few years.
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For comparison, here are the lists for India and US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th ... s_of_India
US is India's 3rd largest trading partner, behind UAE and China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th ... ted_States
India is US's 12th largest trading partner.
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^^^Those figures seem odd. US-India trade is $48.8 billion and India-china trade is near $100 billion.
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Well the numbers are claimed for 2009-2010. Maybe they went up? Certainly not by that much though...
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So the Tea Party is being challenged by the T-killer Party?
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JE Menon wrote:So the Tea Party is being challenged by the T-killer Party?
at this stage, I suspect that they will focus more on voter registrations and things like that. Mexicans are not yet "established" enough to start talking about secession. it will take a few decades at least before that happens. in the meantime, they'll work on favorable immigration laws, more Hispanic dominated Congressional Redistricting, and overall improvement of Incomes. the idea is to create a Hispanic "Elite" which is educated, successful, wealthy, and speaks for the demands of Mexicans. we see this process has already begun in Southern California and New Mexico. Western Texas will be the next region where a Mexican elite will come up in the next 10 years or so. this is b/c of the economic interdependence between this region and Mexico. as cities like El Paso become majority Mexican and their economies become more dependent on Mexico, Mexicans will start playing a larger role in politics and business.
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JE Menon wrote:So the Tea Party is being challenged by the T-killer Party?
Without Tea-party and T-killer party, the media politicial commentary entertainment industry will go bust. Tea part clowns' only objective was to knock an African Amercian president out of power using politically acceptable slogans like "big govt" and crap like that. Once they got power as they did last Nov, they don't know what to do with it, because they have no clue, and hence the infighting. NYT had a good piece on this. The challenge for republican strategists like Karl Rove is to keep this internecine split under control, and yet channel the white hatred towards Obama brimming, albeit as I said with politically acceptable slogans. There was another good report on NPR, suggesting a so called budget compromise which both sides can tout as "victory", and, this involves all kinds of cuts, mostly involving services that benefit blacks & other minorities in need. Apparently, even where they slashed govt jobs as an example of "fiscal responsibility" in some states, the affected parties were mostly African Americnas. Human rights onlee.
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the reason why Blacks are affected disproportionately when govt employees are fired, especially in State govts, is b/c they form a significantly higher % of State govt employed population than Whites or Hispanics or Asians. you go to any state govt office in New Jersey and you realize that almost half the employees are Black, which is much higher than the Black portion of US population.
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UBanerjee wrote:For comparison, here are the lists for India and US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th ... s_of_India
US is India's 3rd largest trading partner, behind UAE and China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th ... ted_States
India is US's 12th largest trading partner.
Are the news source trying to show that India is significant in the US trade import and export.
India does not come anywhere in the top 15-20 in the US trade and commerce
But the news report keep trying to show that something is happening between US and India trade.
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devesh wrote:the reason why Blacks are affected disproportionately when govt employees are fired, especially in State govts, is b/c they form a significantly higher % of State govt employed population than Whites or Hispanics or Asians. you go to any state govt office in New Jersey and you realize that almost half the employees are Black, which is much higher than the Black portion of US population.
Most of the employees tend to be female too, except in tech/IT depts. Spent some time working for a municipal govt. in an internship.
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Excerpts from an article titled “India's Ongoing Concerns Over Pakistan and Afghanistan” by Daniel Wagner and in Subhash Agarwal in Huffington Post:
There is immense uncertainty and disquiet among the Indian diplomatic and military community, as well as among ordinary citizens, at what Indians see as continuing tacit US approval of Pakistani duplicity in the war on terror. Based on leaked Pentagon memoranda and recollections by those who were once in the inner circle of U.S. interaction with Pakistan, it is clear now that the US tacitly colluded in nurturing Pakistan's Islamic fundamentalists by looking the other way while evidence mounted that elements of the Pakistani government supported the Taliban and other jihadi movements.
In the Indian view, successive American regimes have put amazingly misplaced trust in the Pakistani leadership's ability or desire to reign in the Taliban and other militant elements on its soil. In fact, India has been miffed at the US over its ongoing suggestion that India offer concessions to Pakistan over the vexed Kashmir dispute, particularly since America - which has launched two wars in the name of pursuing the perpetrators of 9/11 - displays fleeting similar concern for accountability when India demands it from Pakistan.
At this point in time, any U.S. urging to placate Pakistan seems disingenuous at best and self-defeating at worst. Having gotten over their anger at past US actions that helped prop up the so-called "rogue elements" inside the Pakistani army, Indian officials continue to be very skeptical of the notion that these same entities can somehow be cajoled into jettisoning their pro-jihadist orientation.
Read it all:

India's Ongoing Concerns Over Pakistan and Afghanistan
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Mort Walker, I think you got the importance of the Pranab's visit. Lets see how it pans out.
BTW, in TANA 2011, there was a lot of gnan on what market oppurtunities are there outside the Wastern world and what Indians can do about it.

Pharma was identified as a prime global sector for India to become the new Dhanvantri. So Timmy can pound sand!

There is a new group of desi thinkers who are propelling the money bags who don't know their own power/value. The thinkers dont care to make it themselves.

Its the vision thing.
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Published on Jul 07, 2011
By Sandhya Sharma
Hillary to visit India on July 19; AfPak, NSG talks on platter: The Pioneer
Experts believe the visit of Clinton assumes importance as India is set to get a first-hand account of how the US views the present situation in Pakistan.

Former Indian Ambassador to the US Naresh Chandra said, “The US-India Strategic dialogue is significant after the dip in US-Pakistan relationship. India can get a first-hand account from Hillary Clinton about how she views the present situation in Pakistan and the way US is dealing with terrorism.”
Experts believe Obama’s speech did not answer many questions especially those relating to the policy of reconciliation with Taliban and their policy on Pakistan.
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Shouldnt it be on 'agenda' or 'table' instead of 'platter'?
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U.S. '99% sure' top terrorist was killed last month
U.S. officials are increasingly confident that one of the most-wanted terrorists in the world was killed early last month in a drone attack in Pakistan.

Ilyas Kashmiri was a senior figure in al Qaeda and operated his own terrorist group, Harakat-ul-Jihad-Islami (Movement for an Islamic Holy War).
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ramana wrote:Shouldnt it be on 'agenda' or 'table' instead of 'platter'?
Deal is put on the platter if one party is giving it to the other. It is on the table if that is to be divided.
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http://prestowitz.foreignpolicy.com/pos ... guest_post

Diagnosing the American decline: a guest post
Posted By Clyde Prestowitz Tuesday, July 5, 2011

In the wake of my recent blog post on the new Oakland Bay Bridge being made in China, a lively debate has erupted. I found the best comments to be those of Vikram Dalal of Iowa State University. I am passing them along here.

By Vikram Dalal
Professor of electrical and computer engineering, Iowa State University

The real problems are:

1. The destruction of American industrial infrastructure. As former Intel chief Andy Grove says, it is absolutely critical that we continue to manufacture "commodity" industrial items, like bridges and rivets and bearings and computer chips and tires and steel and aluminum and commodity chemicals. Once we lose that, we lose the workforce. It takes many, many years to build up an industrial workforce, but only 10 years to destroy it. When younger people see jobs being lost in manufacturing, they turn away from it, with the result that the workforce dies off. That is exactly what is happening today -- industries cannot find enough well-trained young people.

2. The second problem is that as the industrial workforce (the people who make things that we can export) is reduced and laid off, they (and their children) go into "service" businesses, particularly health care. But health care is a giant monopoly -- the doctors have an iron grip on it. There is no competition there. What it means is that the only way more jobs are created in "meaningful" health care -- jobs like technologist or lab tech (as opposed to those in bedpan health care) -- is by doctors prescribing more MRIs, CAT scans, PET scans, and so on. That increases medical costs, especially because Medicare requires no second opinion. You walk in and before you know it, the doctor has prescribed 10 tests, because no one is checking; and he, and the hospital, make more money from more tests. So increasing health-care employment is not a winning strategy from a national economic viewpoint.

3. So now we have all these unemployed factory workers -- at least 4 million of them, thanks to China (8 million factory jobs have gone to China). What that means is that the income tax returns to states have dropped, exasperated by the collapse of the housing bubble. So the states cut back on the most productive government activity, education and community colleges and state universities. What that in turn means is that more R&D gets done in China, and more industries move there, because that is where the workers will be. The United States is going into a death spiral. I have the attendance record of the recent Materials Research Society conference in San Francisco. It is probably 60 to 70 percent Chinese. Americans were rather scarce. Most of these Chinese students are going back. What does it tell you? China is going all-out to capture the technology leadership. The country is offering terrific opportunities to the best Chinese students to go back, and the students are taking them up. We spend money to educate them, and they go back to China.

4. The Chinese are now not only demanding that factories move there in high-tech industries (for instance, Evergreen Solar, which closed down a plant in Massachusetts that was making solar cells and relocated to China), but that R&D also move there. I know this firsthand because I work with a company in Massachusetts that has developed great solar cell technology but cannot get capital here to expand. The Chinese offered us $30+ million to move to China, but we had to move the R&D there too, including us. We told them to go to hell.

5. I just came back from the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers solar cell conference, an annual meeting that brings in lots of venture capitalists and industrialists. They all said the same thing: It's impossible to raise capital in the United States, and you cannot compete against China because land is free, water is free, electricity is sold far below production cost, there are no environmental restrictions, capital is freely available, and they can (and do) copy anyone's technology. How is this free trade? Subsidies have to be factored in when calculating cost. And if RMB were freely convertible, wouldn't the cost of doing business in China be 30 to 40 percent higher?

6. The only way to get out of this spiral is to recognize that to stay competitive, we must educate, we must retain and rebuild our industrial infrastructure, we must lead in R&D, because nothing less than our economic and national security well-being is at stake. Once the industrial infrastructure is gone, and with it the R&D infrastructure, we are back to being an agrarian country. I am not exaggerating. Guess who has this figured out? Hedge funds. They are buying up farmland in Iowa. Over the last five or so years, the price of Iowa farmland has tripled to $11,000 to $12,000 per acre, from about $4,000. Many of my farm friends are worth millions on their land.

7. Turning to national security, once manufacturing goes to China, how do we make F-35 fighter jets? How do we make nuclear subs? How do we make tanks? Should we buy those also from China?

Economists do not take into account the dynamic nature of this unfair trade relationship or the downside multiplier effects which lead to a spiraling collapse. They do not understand the problem of how long it takes to build an infrastructure. We are on our way to becoming like Britain. Does anyone buy anything made in Britain (except pharmaceuticals, where they still have a presence)? Would Britain survive without the huge influx of Arab money which props up spending and housing in London?
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ramana garu,

thanks for that article by Vikram Dalal. Good Article on Economics 101. His Profile!
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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Singha »

Does anyone buy anything made in Britain (except pharmaceuticals, where they still have a presence)? Would Britain survive without the huge influx of Arab money which props up spending and housing in London?

good questions to ponder that :lol: paging Seldon sahib...
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