Folks, sorry for being a "Late Lateef" here. Sanku
pointed me to this thread.Link posted by JwalaMukhi
reads thatInvestigators believe TVU reported that most of its students live at the apartment to conceal they don't live in the state.
Wont this alone justify tagging these students? Because the investigators found out that these chaps dont even reside in their known addresses. That being the case, how are the US agencies going to track these folks, if they just abscond.
Ajatshatru wrote:Nothing the students may have done still gives an excuse to tag them as if they are some common criminals....
The agencies have found that many of the students did not even reside in their known addresses. Now that they have taken the pain to identify the students and track them down, wont it be a better idea to now make sure that they are tracked?
Manny wrote:TVU and similar schools had a "well-earned" reputation of shortening the process by offering OPT/CPT from day one – which meant "students" could get on the employment track even as they began "college."
Such a scam used to exist in UK as well. Folks pay up some 2 to 3 lakhs join up some fake college some where in UK. The same agency would arrange for VISAs, and coach them to attend the VISA interviews. They also arrange for jobs such as bar men etc. The promise is that after their course is over they can return back with at least 5 lakhs. I know two cases (close friends). None of them planned to goto UK to actually study. It was to work in this illegal fashion there and come back.
ramana wrote:Since the students had come on fraudulent visas issued by the fake uty, the ICE should deport these non citizens and not treat them as slaves with radio tag virtual chaining.
Seems to be the best and correct route
. But is there a process of appeal, that the students out on bail (with the tags) can take this up in a higher court? In that case the students needs to stay put in US to figh their case. And since they are out on bail US agencies would have to keep an eye on them. But if there is no process of appeal, the best would be to deport them.
putnanja wrote:Maybe MEA would rather that they are all put into judicial custody/prison along with other undertrials while the case is taken care of?
This should have been the best way forward
. As I mentioned earlier, this is how Indian judiciary treats the country's citizens in cases where it feels that the bail money cannot be paid, or there are chances that the accused would abscond, or would threaten witnesses etc. I feel this "tagging" incident may have been a ploy to get US Govt. in back foot, but they stuck to their guns and said that is how law works in US.
Dhiman wrote:No, you cannot assume guilt before they are proven to be guilty, so putting collar around these students IS a voilation of human rights.
I dont understand this point. The US agencies need to keep track of these people, because sooner or later they have to be put up for trial. Their laws allow 'tagging' of people (instead of putting them inside a prison). That is how the bail procedure in their country works. I remember some human rights champions of my state crying that 'hand cuffing' and under-trial prisoner when brought to the court was a human right violation. In US, I guess they do this as a matter of practise (and in some cases, the prisoner also wears a prominent jacket).
Sanku wrote:India does not put shackles on even ILLEGAL immigrants or put them in jail. Merely intern them in camps (usually better than their prior chawls) and send them back by train.
May be the case with Bangladeshis. But for others it is usually the nearest Central Prison. I remember a case which recently happened in Kerala. These were folks from some South African country. They were caught for some serious offence, and sentenced to prison terms. They had to stay for more time in the same prison, because GoI and their own country decided on the deportation. And when it came, all of them were bundled into a police vehicle, taken to the air port and put on a flight. Dont know what these folks preferred. Stay put up in a prison cell, or have a tracker mechanism on their bodies.
Sure they broke the law, because the Univ they came through did not do its job, why is it the students fault?
On the VISA provided to the student. Who is the primary person to ensure that the VISA guide lines are followed? Or for that matter any US law? Is it the student, or with the university? The rule that more than 20 hours of work is not permitted. Is the University only the agency authorised to check this?
This is purely my observation, so FWIW. There are enough and more people in India who have a kind of life long ambition to move to European nations or to the USA. Perhaps it is the peer pressure/family pressure or the society's expectation that forces them to do that. So many of the folks I have met have used this illegal, or semi-legal routes to reach their dream destination. These folks (at least the ones I have met) are not dumbos or illiterates. And unless this craze (of migrating to another country at any cost) exists in Indian society, such cases are bound to happen again.