Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 23 Jul 2010 20:08

shiv wrote:
Someone PLEASE get a a video of these girls before the copycat Pakis rip someone's burka off and put her there just before Canadian vija.

Women guards to take part in Wagah border ceremony

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 Jul 2010 20:16

[quote="shyamd"]Militants looking to trigger Indo-Pak conflict, warns US

Hint of next terror attack?

We see a trend hear. Terror attack > Talks > Terror attack > Talks...

Now that we have completed the talks part after Pune blasts (11/26 > S-e-S > Pune attack??) we are ready for next attack?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Jul 2010 20:28

Zardari proposes withdrawal of troops from Siachen

KARACHI: President Asif Ali Zardari on Friday proposed that Pakistan and India withdraw forces from Siachen glacier region. The president also said that India’s delegation is doing more politics than talks.

Speaking to journalists at Chief Minister House Sindh, the president said that Indian army's expenditure at Siachen region is more than Pakistan’s. Still, Pakistan has suggested to India that both countries withdraw their forces from the region.

Speaking on the UN report the president said that Benezir Bhutto was assassinated by a mindset. {That is a new one folks} He also questioned the UN’s swift release of the investigation report on Benazir Bhutto’s assassination.

Later on Friday, while speaking at the 11th ballot of Benazir income support program and “Waseela-e-Haq” {time for BRF's creative minds to go to work for an apt name}, President Zardari said that we have stepped towards the future by forgetting the past.

partha · Post by **partha** » 23 Jul 2010 20:30

Vasool-mera-haq?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Jul 2010 20:31

pgbhat wrote:
SSridhar wrote: By no stretch of imagination can LeT be characterised as a 'small group of extremists'. Besides, they are fully backed by a nuclear weapon possessing Armed Forces of a State.
As usual, unkil trying his best to play down state sponsored terrorism, munna after all has been a great rent boy.

And so are MMS and his quislings. They are not rent-a-boys of US in its "South Asia" strategy? Give me a break. Or else, MMS would be leading the chorus in publicly telling the US that this kind of subterfuge, downplaying TSP state-sponsored against India is simply unacceptable, and India will not touch TSP with a mile-long pole until TSP goes after LET just as it goes after so called "Al Queda".

But Oh my, did I forget, MMS is loosing sleep and getting into angry convulsions and spasams at "Hindu extremist", "Hindu nationalist", RSS-indoctrinated home secenrtary Pillai for having the temerity to suggest that ISI conducted 26/11 and thereby scutting "peace" with this TSP brothers. How dare Pillai play spoil sprot with the US scripted diktat for SDREs; this is the refrain from street thug Holbrooke, and 365-star general Mullen as they shuttle through the corridors of power in Delhi to make sure head constable MMS and senior police officers SMK stay the course.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 23 Jul 2010 20:41

The talks broke off acrimoniously, so there won't be a terror attack for a while. Since talking to Pakistan leads to attacks on Indian territory, there is a clear conflict of interest between the Home and Foreign ministries.

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Jul 2010 20:58

X Posted.

Washington Times, on the basis of the response of the US Acting Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Non-Proliferation, Vann H Vann Diepen, to a question posed by US legislator Ed Royce, is reporting that the US will oppose the deal to build the Chashma 3 and 4 nuclear reactors :

U.S. to oppose Chinese reactor sale to Pakistan

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 23 Jul 2010 21:06

shiv wrote: Someone PLEASE get a a video of these girls before the copycat Pakis rip someone's burka off and put her there just before Canadian vija.

That would 400% GOLD.

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Jul 2010 21:22

X Posted.

Besides inordinately delaying India’s access to Pakistani origin Islamic Terrorist Daood Gilani aka David Coleman Headley, another good way for the US to protect its client the Islamic Republic of Pakistan while plausibly maintaining the fiction that terrorism targeting India is of concern to the US, is to insist on non -disclosure of the evidence obtained from the interrogation

:

Philip J. Crowley
Assistant Secretary
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
July 21, 2010 ………………………..

QUESTION: As part of the cooperation and partnership between India and U.S., you allowed Indian Government officials access to David Headley, but there was a clause that both countries will not disclose the contents of the interviews. Two of the top ministers in India have given out all the details they have got and there are reports – media reports that U.S. is angry about it. Would you like to react on that?

MR. CROWLEY: Well, we value the cooperation between India and the United States on law enforcement and combating terrorism; it’s important. It does place responsibilities on both countries. We fully expect both countries to live up to their respective responsibilities.

QUESTION: No, but follow --

MR. CROWLEY: I understand. I’m not going to comment specifically on it.

State Dept

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 Jul 2010 21:25

if unkil didn't want leaks, he wouldn't have let any info out
leaks serve a purpose here

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Jul 2010 21:34

Impact of Kayani's extension on China-Pak border

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 206478.cms

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Jul 2010 21:37

Lalmohan wrote:if unkil didn't want leaks, he wouldn't have let any info out
leaks serve a purpose here

By not letting any information out the US would not have been to able to plausibly claim that they apply no double standards with regard to terrorism

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Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 23 Jul 2010 21:38

pgbhat wrote:
shiv wrote: Someone PLEASE get a a video of these girls before the copycat Pakis rip someone's burka off and put her there just before Canadian vija.
That would 400% GOLD.

bhat mullah,
see jagga's post above

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 23 Jul 2010 22:26

This is related to talks and aftermath and hence posting here.
PM keen to iron out wrinkles - Rebuff to Pillai reflects bid to shore up peace process

New Delhi, July 22: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is worried about the hostile climate that emerged after foreign minister S.M. Krishna’s visit to Pakistan and favours immediate de-escalation of tension, highly placed sources told The Telegraph today.

Krishna’s public rebuff to home secretary G.K. Pillai yesterday was part of that project, the sources in the Congress added.

The sources said the Prime Minister would not like the dialogue process to break down and Krishna’s disapproval of the timing of Pillai’s comment was a damage-control gesture. The sources confirmed that Krishna did discuss the matter with the Prime Minister before going public with his response.

On the eve of Krishna’s talks with his Pakistan counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Pillai had spoken about the involvement of the ISI in the Mumbai attacks.

The home ministry has sought to clarify that the timing of Pillai’s comment was accidental as he thought it would be reported after a few days —on the next Sunday. But the external affairs ministry and the PMO both felt that the “indiscretion” by such a senior bureaucrat was unthinkable.

A disparaging remark Pillai made about Kashmir politician Mufti Mohammed Sayeed had also angered the Congress leadership as “serving bureaucrats are not expected to make political comments”, one leader said.

The appointment of a spokesperson in the home ministry came as a response to these “indiscretions”. Pillai, who is otherwise considered a “bright and efficient” official, will not face more action and is expected to continue in the home ministry.

The government also does not want to give the Opposition an issue on the eve of a Parliament session by taking strong action, particularly when a section of the political class has hailed Pillai’s conduct after Qureshi played to his domestic gallery by adopting a belligerent stand.

The dominant view within the ruling combine is that India does not have to stoop to Qureshi’s level to make a point. The sources said Krishna’s “dignified conduct” had been appreciated by the Prime Minister, who is convinced that the collapse of the dialogue process would be detrimental to India’s interests.

The government believes that complete disengagement with Islamabad has not helped India in the past. Besides, the international community will not appreciate an eyeball-to-eyeball situation between India and Pakistan.

The PMO also feels that escalation of tension between the two countries will give hawks in the Pakistani establishment an upper hand, which will not help India in any way.

The sources said the PMO felt that if India could engage with Pakistan after Kargil and the 26/11 Mumbai attack, it would be unwise to take a tough stand on Qureshi’s comments which were made with an eye on the audience he was addressing.

The Indian government has no doubt that state actors did have a role to play in the Mumbai attacks but believes public posturing on this would not help build the right atmospherics for the dialogue.

Sources in the government agreed that the US would not appreciate India making a public show of 26/11 suspect David Headley’s interrogation and Pillai’s remarks were in violation of the promise made to the Obama administration.

“It could become an international embarrassment if the impression gained ground that India does not keep its word,” said a source, conceding that Pillai would not have done this without home minister P. Chidambaram’s clearance.

But the sources sought to play down the possibility of a turf war between the home ministry and the foreign ministry.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jul 2010 22:42

I commented on that article in the Strategic leadership thread..

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Jul 2010 22:44

Its off topic here and I am sorry for that but I wanted to point folks to the comments below the news article. These comments give us a pulse of how mango man in massa land thinks about pakis

Texas Mom Says She Killed Kids Because They Were Austistic

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 23 Jul 2010 22:49

^^ Dont have words to express...Paqis are the worst of any kind even animal dont do that

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jul 2010 22:54

A-Gupta or any economist gurus,
What is the sum total of US aid to TSP since 1953 in then dollars(i.e in amounts allocated in the year) and if brought forward to 2010 $?

And please develop the data so layman can follow. My premise is its a huge amount.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 23 Jul 2010 23:21

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jul 2010 00:13

satyam,
Its non-sequitor and borderline trolling. Please post in another thread.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Jul 2010 00:19

Forget the peace process with Pakistan

t is the biggest strategic failure of our diplomacy that even after more than six decades, India has not found a way to neutralise the malevolence of a neighbour one-eighth its size. Business as usual has never be an option for India, and yet our Pakistan policy could never move beyond cultural exchanges and cross-border trade.Pakistan has continued to train its guns at India and drain India's diplomatic capital and military strength and India has continued to debate whether Pakistani musicians should be allowed to enter India.This disconnect between Pakistan's clear strategic priority and India's magnificently short-sighted approach will continue to exact its toll on India unless India makes it a priority to think outside the box on Pakistan. Today, India finds itself desperately seeking international attention for its troubles vis-a-vis Pakistan as well as Pakistan's own problems, and when it doesn't get that attention or is rebuffed the government behaves like a spoilt child, throwing a tantrum and going on the defensive.
Though the government's spin doctors would have us believe that the prime minister is thinking in grand strategic terms of trying to reach out to Pakistan, the reality is that the Indian government had realised that it had no other option but to talk to Pakistan. India's strategic space has dramatically shrunk over the last few years. By failing to craft its own narrative on Af-Pak ever since the United States troops went into Afghanistan in the aftermath of September 11, 2001, New Delhi [ Images ] has allowed the West, and increasingly Pakistan, to dictate the contours of Indian policy towards the region.As a result, India continues to rely on the US to secure its interests in Af-Pak under the assumption that there is a fundamental convergence between India and the Obama [ Images ] administration in viewing Pakistan as the source of Afghanistan's insecurity.

http://news.rediff.com/column/2010/jul/ ... ove-on.htm

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 24 Jul 2010 00:22

ramana wrote:A-Gupta or any economist gurus,
What is the sum total of US aid to TSP since 1953 in then dollars(i.e in amounts allocated in the year) and if brought forward to 2010 $?

And please develop the data so layman can follow. My premise is its a huge amount.

About Those Billions

1950-1964: $2.5 billion in economic aid and $700 million in military aid
1965-1979: totaling $2.55 billion over the 15 years
1979-1990: $5 billion
1991-2000: $429 million in economic assistance and $5.2 million in military assistance
2001-2009: $9 billion in military assistance + $3.6 billion has funded economic and diplomatic initiatives
2009-2014: $7.5 billion assistance package was passed by Congress

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 24 Jul 2010 00:38

3 killed in two explosions in Bajaur Agency

KHAR (Bjaur Agency), July 23 (APP): Three people including head of a local peace committee were killed and two other injured in two separate bomb explosions in Sparay area of Tehsil Mamond, Khyber Agency on Friday.

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"Mullah Radio" out of grave, releases video threatening suicide attacks in Pakistan

A video released on Thursday night showed Fazlullah addressing a group of 300 suicide bombers preparing to launch a fresh wave of suicide attacks across the country. Mullah Radio was also seen threatening the Awami National Party (ANP), which is ruling the troubled northwest Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, as prime target of its suicide bombers cadre.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Jul 2010 01:13

U.S. to oppose Chinese reactor sale to Pakistan

The Obama administration's point man for countering arms proliferation said Thursday that the administration will vote against China's sale of nuclear reactors to Pakistan in the international Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).The announcement follows the visit of Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to Pakistan, where she said the United States would be willing over time to discuss the prospect of U.S.-Pakistani nuclear cooperation

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -pakistan/

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 24 Jul 2010 02:27

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... ks-the-pak
Indo-Pak talks: The Pak game plan

The use of offensive language by Pakistan Foreign Minister S M Qureshi against the Indian Foreign Minister S M Krishna after the talks was a premeditated and calculated stratagem aimed at scuttling the dialogue process to convey a clear message to India that the talks can continue only on its terms. This means that the Kashmir issue must occupy the central position and issues like Siachen, Balochistan and water dispute which concern Pakistan should be given priority over terrorism and other less contentious issues which were earlier agreed upon to create a friendly atmosphere. Qureshi made it clear that the Pak Establishment was not interested in meetings with 'selective agenda'.

The reason why Pakistan derails the dialogue process every time is quite clear. The Pakistan Army, which determines Pakistan's India policy, does not desire talks between the two countries except on its own terms. The Pak Army's game plan has three planks. First, in the talks the focus should be on the 'core' Kashmir issue and other Pak concerns like the Siachen and Indian involvement in Balochistan, acceptance of Pak view on the water issue, there should be no focus on terrorism and no pressure on taking action against those involved in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks. Second, to continue to use the tension between the two countries to obtain financial assistance and weapons from the US. And third, to blame India for all its problems as well as for spoiling the environment to normalize relations between India and Pakistan with a view to escalate tension further that allows the Pak Army to perpetuate its rule in Pakistan.

In view of the above, there was a remote possibility of recent Foreign Minister level talks achieving the desired results.

Looks like everyone in India understand this. We don't know if our PM is chanikyan and he is working on some grand plan which none of us can envision or just plain dumb.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jul 2010 02:32

Shuja Nawaz on Kayani

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... ny_seasons

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jul 2010 02:35

The Kayani era continues

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... _continues

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 24 Jul 2010 02:50

partha wrote:Vasool-mera-haq?

I post infrequently here but spend a lot of time reading the posts. My knowledge of Hindi / Urdu is abysmal. Could the posters please provide a rough translation in English of what being said? I appreciate it would be difficult to translate poems etc. However, one-liners should be easy enough. Thanks.

subramanian

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Jul 2010 02:53

vasool-mera-haq ~ to take is my right

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 24 Jul 2010 02:55

RajeshA wrote:vasool-mera-haq ~ to take is my right

Thanks Rajesh

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 24 Jul 2010 03:16

A decent article on Pakistan's external debt
The article is from pakobserver site. Probably written by a Pakistani. Seems to be an honest attempt to look at the dire situation.

Debt situation
...
Moody’s has a B3 sovereign rating for Pakistan, and Businessweek (April 2010) expressed concern over Greek Bond yields becoming closer to Pakistan i.e. around 12pc and classified Pakistan as a junk-rated nation battling the Taliban. Ironically, ‘Pakistan Government Bond 10 year’ yield has been around 12pc since August 2009, but concerned authorities do not seem to be bothered.
...
Another phenomenon in the form of circular debt poses a significant threat to country. The problem starts Domino’s effect eventually affecting power production by IPPs (Independent Power Producers) and in the long run contributing to the impasse of ordinary citizens. Prior to leaving his office, Shoukat Tarin told that circular debt had risen to Rs. 108 billion.
...

link

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jul 2010 03:17

Nirupama Rao, Gopal Pillai bury hatchet over tea

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 206884.cms

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 24 Jul 2010 03:23

I said earlier:

Dilbu wrote:The real test to see if this is indeed chanakya-giri or not will be to check the action taken on Mr. Pillai. If it is dog and pony action, MMS wins. Any strict or career threatening action will prove some mullahs on BRF right.

Now:

Pillai, who is otherwise considered a “bright and efficient” official, will not face more action and is expected to continue in the home ministry.

Hmm..

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Jul 2010 03:49

By now, poor Guru Chanakya must be infuriated at the gross misuse of his good name on BRF.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 24 Jul 2010 04:09

Dilbu wrote:
ramana wrote:A-Gupta or any economist gurus,
What is the sum total of US aid to TSP since 1953 in then dollars(i.e in amounts allocated in the year) and if brought forward to 2010 $?

And please develop the data so layman can follow. My premise is its a huge amount.
About Those Billions
1950-1964: $2.5 billion in economic aid and $700 million in military aid
1965-1979: totaling $2.55 billion over the 15 years
1979-1990: $5 billion
1991-2000: $429 million in economic assistance and $5.2 million in military assistance
2001-2009: $9 billion in military assistance + $3.6 billion has funded economic and diplomatic initiatives
2009-2014: $7.5 billion assistance package was passed by Congress

what about the billions these guys made by selling goods subsidized by uncle(in form of less tax)?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 24 Jul 2010 06:02

Dilbu wrote:The real test to see if this is indeed chanakya-giri or not will be to check the action taken on Mr. Pillai. If it is dog and pony action, MMS wins. Any strict or career threatening action will prove some mullahs on BRF right.

Why must this be so? There can be many reasons for no immediate or career-threatening action being taken against Pillai, other than "chanakya-giri."

It is not easy for a PM of India to take summary and harsh action against a Union Secretary of Pillai's seniority, no matter how much he may want to. Especially not a PM whose own government is beset with factionalism and who already faces opposition to his policies from senior cabinet ministers.

And besides, what exactly did Pillai do that "career-threatening action" can be taken against him for? He did not reveal any official government secret. He did not commit any crime or violate any law. He simply made a statement to the media, which the Home Ministry is very much authorized to do. There is nothing in his action that calls for being "disciplined".

Only a leader with the near-absolute power of IG could simply hire and fire Union Ministerial Secretaries of Pillai's rank with impunity. The current PM is not in a comparable position to IG.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jul 2010 06:26

How SM Qureshi ‘hijacked’ the Indo-Pak press meet

http://www.hindustantimes.com/How-SM-Qu ... 76882.aspx

As is the practice with all joint pressers involving diplomatic relations, both sides had agreed on the structure of
the interaction. Both ministers were to make a statement each, followed by two questions each from media delegations of India and Pakistan. This was over in less than 30 minutes.

“Let’s have more questions,” Qureshi declared abruptly. This took the Indian delegation by surprise, highly placed government sources told HT.

...

Diplomatic sources said India had the option of only making the statements and not taking questions, particularly given the fact that the talks were ending on a bad note, if the presser was unavoidable. “Even during the joint presser of South African president Jacob Zuma and prime minister Manmohan Singh it was only statements to the camera,” he pointed out.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jul 2010 06:52

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surinder · Post by **surinder** » 24 Jul 2010 06:52

shiv wrote:... "pappi jhappi" types (I don't even know what pappi jhappi means)

Shiv,

Pappi & Japhi are Punjabi words, and are easily translated, but their real essence only understood if you think of the Punjabi character and personality to go along with it.

Pappi means kiss (on cheeks or other places). Japphi means tight warm enthusiastic embrace. Do this with Punjabi gusto and loud voices and exaggerated outward emotions.

In BRF context, it referes to usually when Indian Punjabis and Paki Pakjabis meet, they exult as if they found their long lost brothers. That would qualify as Pappi Japphi session. Dr. MMS does not give that aura, by the way. Khushwant Singh seems more like a Pappi Japphi kinda guy.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jul 2010 07:05

Imagining that a particular political party is going to make India better actually encourages the Pakistaniyat in me to say - OK India is too full of ignorant morons and the right way forward is to use my existing money and influence to lead a RAPE style life and to hell with the country.

I think what a lot of people do not realise is that it is so easy to do. Every politician is doing exactly that regardless of party and you have to be they most naive sucker on earth to imagine that some guy is better than the other. Taking the RAPE way out is easy.

The lifestyle of the politicians in India and those of the elite are ditto copies of the lifestyle of the RAPE. Pakistanis of course live in sullen silence and we the educated do not even bother listening for the Indians who live in sullen silence - so convinced are we that party makes a difference. You need to live 30 years as an earning adult in India paying your property tax, road tax, cess on education, cess on fuel, cess on poverty, cess on infrastructure, cess on drought, service tax professional tax, be forced to spend money on urgently setting up things the government demands (Solar water heating, water harvesting, shifting of electric meter to a place where someone can see it from the road), watch as ministers children block road with construction material as they build palaces while your 30x40 site gets grabbed by mafia who have ilegal papers and goons to really understand India.

I think all you guys who are supporting one party over another on this thread do not even have a clue about Indian politics and are talking crap. Please spare me this on the Pakistan thread. Why do I get the feeling that a lot of the people who are party pooping on here live abroad. if you live in India you will either know reality or you are a party worker getting privileges for shouting party slogans on BRF. At least in India those guys can be controlled.

Some guys just dont have a friggin clue..

If you live in India and are wealthy you don't need any goddam patriotism. You can live a lifetime of luxury. Patriotism has to be actively inculcated. Party politics just does not cut it. I am reminded of a joke I was told yesterday

A man returned from abroad to India's sacred soil and smeared the holy earth over his face, then smelt it and said

"Yeh mitti puraane waale mitti jaise nahin hai"

A bystander watching him says

"Arre bhai. Woh mitti nahin hai, tutti hai"