Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby RamaY » 29 Jul 2010 01:24

Brad Goodman wrote:All those who think US is OK with India specific terror. I disagree with you guys. One thing that unkil knows and we need to realize is that LeT, Jem, HuJi, Telibunny, Pakiban, AlQ are all one and the same. They might have different management but their foot soldiers freely move across organizations for new set of challenges or share logistics as well as information. So if you remove cancer from one part of body (which was affecting some vital organ like lung or liver) and leave it on say limbs hoping that this will not affect you in future then you are wrong you need to surgically remove it from all parts of body and then undergo a chemotherapy and radiation therapy session for next few months even if you are 200% sure that you have removed all of it.


This assumes that USA and TSPA values the lives of these abduls and paki-society same as they value their own.

The purpose of this game is to lock India's influence to continue USA imperialism. TSPA is USA's non-state actor, and all these abduls are TSPA's non-state actors and so on.

So by the very definition of "stability of Pakistan is more important to USA than a victory in Afghanistan" means that USA is OK with India specific terror.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby satyam » 29 Jul 2010 01:52

In 11th century, an army of invaders used to come to our country , break temples, kill people and loot all the treasuries and gold of the temple. In 21st century bunch of terrorist goons come to country, kill 200 people and get 11 bln $ loan from IMF , Kerry lugar bill, WB loan. Only the mode of payment has changed. The method has remained same. Nothing has changed in 1000 years.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 29 Jul 2010 02:38

That quote from Friedman should be played on CNN-IBN and NDTV for hours. (I think we should e-mail it to them.) Let us see how the mango SDREs react.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 29 Jul 2010 02:50

Little choice but to depend on Pakistan's help in Afghanistan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/27/AR2010072704828.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby SwamyG » 29 Jul 2010 05:55

Muppalla:
viewtopic.php?p=912913#p912913

Reading your post makes one conclude that Unkil sh*ts even thinking about India. It seems India as the largest enemy on this whole wide Universe. Why does India pose just commercial interests? A rowdy will try to keep his territory and will proactively take out budding rowdies; but what potential does Unkil see in India that it has to wear diapers on the very thought of India.

On the other hand, there is one school of thought in BRF, that says don't give too much credit to Unkil; and now BRFgurus are energized by Stratfor article. How much of it is psy-ops. I have also read that some gurus do not trust the Stratfor guy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Muppalla » 29 Jul 2010 06:10

SwamyG wrote:Muppalla:
viewtopic.php?p=912913#p912913

Reading your post makes one conclude that Unkil sh*ts even thinking about India. It seems India as the largest enemy on this whole wide Universe. Why does India pose just commercial interests? A rowdy will try to keep his territory and will proactively take out budding rowdies; but what potential does Unkil see in India that it has to wear diapers on the very thought of India.

On the other hand, there is one school of thought in BRF, that says don't give too much credit to Unkil; and now BRFgurus are energized by Stratfor article. How much of it is psy-ops. I have also read that some gurus do not trust the Stratfor guy.


:) Then I guess, I did not write the post to give a proper conclusion. I did not mean that India is the sole reason for Uncle to do everything but dismantling the terror-network of Pakistan. India is one of the important factors that require Pakistan+Terror. I guess RajeshA was able to put better than me in another post regarding Jihadi-Terror is more important than Nukes these days.

Try another way of thinking to be soft on Uncle. There is no way in this world the islamic terror can be stopped unless a genocide of Pasthun and various Paki areas is seriously taken as a project. If that is not practical, the only way is to make sure it is always directed at those who is not me (Uncle). So turning it towards a billion population of India is the best option. Life in India is cheap anyway and they are the masters of war-against-terror using attirition model. In doing this it may look like India is civilizational enemy of Uncle.

Apart from that this structure with terror factory is a useful one. It has served pretty good in defeating Soviets in Afghanistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby SwamyG » 29 Jul 2010 06:19

Muppalla garu: I am trying to reconcile all gurus thoughts on Unkil-TSP-India. If I am not mistaken some (or atleast one guru) feels that Kissinger, after 1971, instituted the policy of not allowing desh to be the regional power. Then there is the great game discussions that talk about Britain handing over the baton to Unkil after WWII and Unkil keeping desh down ever since.

If Unkil was so naive, arrogant, efficient, honest, stupid, dangerous to have an open policy of opposing USSR; why does it have to do all this natak to keep desh down. In 1971, we still had the ebil yindoo growth of rate. USSR was still going strong; so did Unkil pump steroids into Chinese Panda to counter an impoverished and not growing desh?

I can understand monopolistic and "duopolistic" tendencies; and it is natural for Unkil to ensure no competition raises. But what did they see after 1947 or 1970s for it to institute such a policy for so long?

If Unkil could do so many things, then I am sure Unkil could have handled Islamic terror in other fashions that did not involve directing them towards desh.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby JwalaMukhi » 29 Jul 2010 06:26

SwamyG wrote:If Unkil was so naive, arrogant, efficient, honest, stupid, dangerous to have an open policy of opposing USSR; why does it have to do all this natak to keep desh down.

SwamyG avargal,
Selling arrogancy and hostility of USSR to unkils joes and janes; is lot easier than doing the same with Desh. Remember USSR was the evil RED godless Communist state and is pure evil. That is easily sold.
How can one sell hostility to its joes and janes; of a country that "seems more holier than the pope and acts more west minister than queendom"?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 29 Jul 2010 06:29

RamaY wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:All those who think US is OK with India specific terror. I disagree with you guys. One thing that unkil knows and we need to realize is that LeT, Jem, HuJi, Telibunny, Pakiban, AlQ are all one and the same. They might have different management but their foot soldiers freely move across organizations for new set of challenges or share logistics as well as information. So if you remove cancer from one part of body (which was affecting some vital organ like lung or liver) and leave it on say limbs hoping that this will not affect you in future then you are wrong you need to surgically remove it from all parts of body and then undergo a chemotherapy and radiation therapy session for next few months even if you are 200% sure that you have removed all of it.


This assumes that USA and TSPA values the lives of these abduls and paki-society same as they value their own.

The purpose of this game is to lock India's influence to continue USA imperialism. TSPA is USA's non-state actor, and all these abduls are TSPA's non-state actors and so on.

So by the very definition of "stability of Pakistan is more important to USA than a victory in Afghanistan" means that USA is OK with India specific terror.


The point was US wants to shut down all terror which includes LeT along with telebunnies. That has nothing to do with mango man or mango abdul but has every thing to do with average joe. To keep tab on bharat amirkhan & cheena can rely on TSPA because they know TSPA will not strap itself to blow western targets. What they are worried of is these semi autonomous tanzeems that can bite them so please do not mix tab on India the unkil way with tab on India the TSPA way.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby JwalaMukhi » 29 Jul 2010 06:35

Unkil is little upset with paki jernails and hoping to prepare another set of jernails across the border in afghanistan; just for competition. The time frame for that is thought to be 4 to 5 years, but it will be longer. In the meantime, unkil will conveniently caution that non-state actors of TSP will attack India. Essentially, Unkil is shielding and propping up its mad dog and using the cover of the puppet civilian government to deal with TSP. Zaradari gets his 10% to act as the mask, paki army gets all the toys and unkil gets its tentacles deep within the area. Even if it is of no use directly, denial of space for India in that area will be sufficient for Unkil to play this game, till that strategy stops working. Everyone is a big happy family.
The paki abduls are allowed to rape and pillage outside of paki army interests and paki army is happy to provide succor of religion to the paki abduls. It is only when they start threatening, either chinese interests or Unkil's interest, by extension paki army's interest, the paki abduls will be hunted.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby shiv » 29 Jul 2010 07:05

Muppalla wrote:US will stay as long as it takes to achieve the above.


For all the people who think the US is quitting Afghanistan soon - including Paklurks - the US is going to stay in Pakistan. Long term.

I have read (in some news item or the other) that US technicians are on hand to see what is being done with F-16s. That does not mean that they will interfere in case of war with India. But it is a hard enough echandee blow for the Paki army to indulge in some rhetoric.

The great thing for the US is that it does not have to control Pakistan all by itself. It can calibrate control on Pakistan by using the India threat. For example Headley access and Wikileaks could be a way of pressurizing the Pakistan army. "PALs" and "We don't want the nukes to come out" are ways of pressurizing India.

But no matter how nasty a role we attribute to the US there are some things outside US control. Clinton has stated it clearly in her interview, but it is well known. For Pakistan to survive as a state it will ultimately need trade with India. US billions can only support an elite and the infrastructure they need. If you ignore the fact that Indians do not give a sh1t about Paki goods, you sre still left with the brainwashing of Pakis. No trade with India can work until Pakis are unbrainwashed or Pakistan is split into a state or two that is India friendly, leaving an unstable stat in which war has to be continued for decades to forever clean up the Af Pak region.

Sorry. Wrong thread.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby SSridhar » 29 Jul 2010 07:43

Brad Goodman wrote:its basically conflict of interest that is messing up unkil's policy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Airavat » 29 Jul 2010 07:55

Irishman in Lahore: food is the only entertainment

However, Eldred is not very positive about the state of Lahore’s theatre scene. “There are very few means of entertainment left here now. The only excessive ‘entertainment’ here is food. People aren’t doing anything great. We need to have community participation to make Lahore a cultural hub in reality. Currently, it seems like a cliche to call Lahore cultural hub of the country,” he said.

When asked why he chose this city to live in, he said, “Most people ask me why I live here while there isn’t any electricity, and often no water. I was too young to make a decision to live here and it doesn’t make sense but somehow I assimilated so well here that I couldn’t go back”.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby arun » 29 Jul 2010 08:01

Whoever this citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by the name of Rahat Fateh Ali Khan is, he certainly seems to have got under the skin of the pious momin of the Islamic Republic :roll: . A musical competition for children telecast by the television channel Star Plus in which this Pakistani is involved in is being characterised by a Pakistani newspaper as an insidious plot by India orchestrated by RAW to corrupt the pious momin of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :lol: :

RAW handpicks Rahat Fateh Ali for fresh anti-Pakistan project

-Rahat sells off Pak kids to RAW like camel jockeys under the grab of music show Chhote Ustaad
-Project initiated to evaporate Pakistani culture, identity
-RAW plans to keep the project for next ten years to eliminate 2-nation theory completely from the minds of Pak Kidz

By Uzma Zafar

ISLAMABAD—After years of speculation, finally Indian Intelligence Agency Research & Analysis Wing (RAW) appears to has found a smooth operator in the form of Rahat Fateh Ali Khan from Pakistan, on whose shoulder’s they can land their gun and put forward the agenda of making the concept of two-nation theory completely evaporate from the minds of the Pakistani children, make them dance at the tunes of one nation, one world, through it’s recently initiated project Chhote Ustaad, a so called kids’ musical competition show on India’s Star Plus TV while it is being reproduced back in Pakistan by a local TV Channel that is already doing some joint ventures with the known anti=Pakistan Indian Newspaper The Times of India reveal the investigations of The Daily Mail.

The Daily Mail’s investigations further reveal that the desire to rob the Pakistanis of their very identity was on the minds of the RAW for decades but it is only now that the agenda has found a vent through where the very idea can be materialized, infecting the young minds with the idea that their culture is but the same as the Indian one. And what better way than to initiate a supposed talent hunt, putting a music legend of Pakistan; Rahat Fateh Ali on it’s pay roll, to make him dance on the tunes of unity, preaching the idea that two-nation theory is all but a lie, The Daily Mail sources reveal.

The Pakistani kids taken in for the programme are in fact, being used by Rahat Fateh Ali, like camel jockeys, sold on the hands of the RAW, all belonging to poor families and Karachi for that matter, only one being that from Faisalabad.

The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that Star Plus latest season of song based reality show Chhote Ustaad has taken in 10 kids from Pakistan, rather Rahat Fateh Ali has taken them to India for RAW’s fresh covert project against Pakistan for which he has been Paid in millions. Some unconfirmed reports suggest that he has been paid equalling fifty million Pak rupees for one season while the RAW plans to continue it for at least ten seasons. The entire season 2010 is going to be a combo of Pakistani and Indian young talent on the surface but the reality is quite the opposite. Not only this, but the judging panel has Sonu Nigham from India and Rahat Fateh Ali Khan from Pakistan, the latter having no affiliation for the Pakistani kids in the show for he has already sold them for the worse. ……………………….

Daily Mail News

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby shiv » 29 Jul 2010 08:10

RAWhat Fateh Ali Khan?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Muppalla » 29 Jul 2010 08:12

A pretty good singer from Pakistan who sings in Hindi cinema. Comes on various reality shows as well.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby SwamyG » 29 Jul 2010 08:14

JwalaMukhi: The question is unanswered. Why was Unkil scared enough off a poor country, to use another pathetic excuse of a country for its own selfish interests?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby CRamS » 29 Jul 2010 08:29

With UK PM David Cameron coming down hard on TSP wrt LET, and Mullen doing the same a week or so ago, and heaven knows what Hilary told Kiyani; there sure seems to be some coordinated effort on the part of US/UK in addressing some of India's concerns on TSPA/ISI support to LET. Not a bad development; its high time.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby shiv » 29 Jul 2010 08:33

CRamS wrote:With UK PM David Cameron coming down hard on TSP wrt LET, and Mullen doing the same a week or so ago, and heaven knows what Hilary told Kiyani; there sure seems to be some coordinated effort on the part of US/UK in addressing some of India's concerns on TSPA/ISI support to LET. Not a bad development; its high time.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby pgbhat » 29 Jul 2010 08:40

^Yeah surprisingly optimistic assessment on his part. :lol:

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Postby archan » 29 Jul 2010 08:40

His account seems to have been hacked. :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby CRamS » 29 Jul 2010 08:41

JwalaMukhi wrote:
SwamyG wrote:If Unkil was so naive, arrogant, efficient, honest, stupid, dangerous to have an open policy of opposing USSR; why does it have to do all this natak to keep desh down.

SwamyG avargal,
Selling arrogancy and hostility of USSR to unkils joes and janes; is lot easier than doing the same with Desh. Remember USSR was the evil RED godless Communist state and is pure evil. That is easily sold.
How can one sell hostility to its joes and janes; of a country that "seems more holier than the pope and acts more west minister than queendom"?


Not only that, USSR was overtly hostile to US, it was militarily arrayed against US, and the ideologies were poles apart (although other countries suffered more as a result of US/USSR rivalry, but thats another matter). In contrast, what military threat does India pose? In fact, more than a threat, given the obsequious policies of Indian govt and Indians at large towards USA, its more a case of familiarity breeds contempt kind of deal; US just wanting to keep India at an arm's length, and box it with TSP. The root of USA's India containment policy is the intellectual contempt and disdain western intellectuals have for Hinduism. Rajiv Malhotra had some brilliant narratives to make this argument.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby chetak » 29 Jul 2010 08:49

CRamS wrote:With UK PM David Cameron coming down hard on TSP wrt LET, and Mullen doing the same a week or so ago, and heaven knows what Hilary told Kiyani; there sure seems to be some coordinated effort on the part of US/UK in addressing some of India's concerns on TSPA/ISI support to LET. Not a bad development; its high time.



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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Muppalla » 29 Jul 2010 08:52

CRamS wrote:Not only that, USSR was overtly hostile to US, it was militarily arrayed against US, and the ideologies were poles apart (although other countries suffered more as a result of US/USSR rivalry, but thats another matter). In contrast, what military threat does India pose? In fact, more than a threat, given the obsequious policies of Indian govt and Indians at large towards USA, its more a case of familiarity breeds contempt kind of deal; US just wanting to keep India at an arm's length, and box it with TSP. The root of USA's India containment policy is the intellectual contempt and disdain western intellectuals have for Hinduism. Rajiv Malhotra had some brilliant narratives to make this argument.


Thanks CRamS ji. I resisted writing this in TSP thread. Those lines that I highlighted brings in several rounds and loops of discussions. Some folks will call it as CT and what not. Intellectual dishonesty is at highest order when it comes to India affairs. Based on context and timing, there were some troughs in that dishonesty but it is not gone. I also predict that it will not be gone forever unless there is change of "super power". I don't know if it is Hinduism or it is something like an expected charishma unavailable in SDREs however disdain is there. It is even more due to new economy of India.

Some Indians brush it as India did not do a good PR etc, however based on my direct experiences I completely disagree. There is no need of any PR for India in US and it is just waste of time. what India needs to do a probe to Mars and a successful ABM theater and similar stuff.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby anupmisra » 29 Jul 2010 09:24

Pagal Sehgal

Here we go again!

In another major attack on Pakistan's credibility as a responsible entity among the comity of nations, among the 92,000 secret US documents about the Afghan war leaked to the media by WikiLeak, a number of reports accused Pakistan's premier intelligence agency of being in collusion with the Taliban.
Clearly fabricated, inconsistent and certainly not verified
The Pakistani army shields Pakistan from its enemies, the ISI provides the outer shield for Pakistan and the army. ISI's kinda like a double condom
Nowhere in the 92,000 documents does there seem to be any mention of India, good or bad. Surely a conspiracy by the evil yindoos.
It is time our foreign policy to discover self-respect. If the pakis can not discover their self respect, they should invent it.
One is forced to use language that is not diplomatic: till they learn to shut up and keep shut, we should allow only food essentials for Afghanistan to transit through Pakistan, and nothing else. I hope the afghans are shivering in their shalwars now
We do not need Afghanistan, they need us.
While Indian Muslim Fareed Zakaria (an original "Uncle Tom") has a vested interest in showing himself as being more loyal than the king :D
There could be individual Taliban sympathisers in the ranks of Pakistan's intelligence agencies and other official circles, but to say that Pakistan provides concerted institutional support…is nonsense, it demeans not only the blood that our soldiers have shed fighting the Taliban but that of our innocent civilians also."Everyone in pakiland is innocent except....



There you have. Pagal Sehgal at his ranting best.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Prem » 29 Jul 2010 09:34

Pagal Si-Gal was taken prisoner in 1971 war. He still has not accepted the guilt of raping BD women and killing many innocents.. sorry guilty Bangladeshi. And he has the guts to talk about credibility etc. He is old now and time approaching to meet maker, should not he fear jahannum and admit how many BD women he raped and how many children he killed and ask for forgivenss.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Pulikeshi » 29 Jul 2010 09:38

SwamG et. al:

Not all conflicts are ideological. The Cold War was ideological.
Another dangerous ideology (Islamism) was planted and nurtured
to harvest soldiers to defeat Communism.
The US is not in an ideological battle (yet) with this new creation Islamism.
The response thus far has been strictly as it were a law and order problem.

What is happening in the Indian sub-continent is strictly geo-political.
The US for the most part India as well have no ideological problems with each other.
The policy of limited support to the Islamists (Pakistan),
when it was beneficial to sub-continental goals, is US policy.
It remains to be seen how this evolves.

GOI is pursuing a strategy of "you created this monster, so you pay for clean up"
This may work to some extent, but I suspect not the the extent GOI desires.
Basically, the gutter is right next door, no matter who threw the garbage in it!
India can choose to either clean the gutter or live with the stench.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby sum » 29 Jul 2010 09:45

CIA watched ISI tap phones, help suicide bombers

Washington's claim that it gave a heads-up to New Delhi on the leaked Af-Pak documents is loaded with irony. For, what these papers show is that Pakistani spy agency ISI supplied suicide bombers in Afghanistan with explosives-strapped motorcycles and listened in on telephone networks to supply them crucial information — all right under the nose of the US intelligence establishment.

In a threat assessment report dated August 27, 2007, one of the many leaked by Wikileaks, the US intelligence establishment admits it has information that all calls made to the largest mobile phone company in Afghanistan, Roshan, are routed through Pakistan.

With a non-existent landline network, most telephone users in Afghanistan — including coalition force members and foreign nationals — are dependent on this mobile network.

“Reporting from February 2007 indicates Pakistani intelligence service (ISI) is currently collecting and databasing all Roshan calls and numbers from Afghanistan. Reportedly, when a Roshan user places a call to any number — either inside or outside Afghanistan — the call is re-routed through Pakistan,” the intelligence report says.
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And we continue to run to Unkil to help us from evil Pakis onlee...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby RamaY » 29 Jul 2010 10:06

If omnipresent CIA is tracking omnipotent ISI's activities that closely, why didn't it pass those operational details to RAW?

Does USA really want India to remain passive in subcontinental geopolitics?

What if the real motive of amritraj is to irritate the elephant to the extent that it will start stampeding the entire pure land???

Like Ramanaji often says - Hanuman not sure of his ability to cross the ocean even after Rama gave the Anguleeya to him and only to him?

Can BRF be the new-age Jambavanta?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby CRamS » 29 Jul 2010 10:07

shiv wrote:
CRamS wrote:With UK PM David Cameron coming down hard on TSP wrt LET, and Mullen doing the same a week or so ago, and heaven knows what Hilary told Kiyani; there sure seems to be some coordinated effort on the part of US/UK in addressing some of India's concerns on TSPA/ISI support to LET. Not a bad development; its high time.


Tst Tsk

Are you OK CramS? Is all well with you? :lol:

<only joking - I enjoy his style of writing. If he put his mind to it he could show a thing or two to Arundhoti and Nussbaum>


Boss thanks. I call it as I see it and I give credit where it is due :-). David Cameron was ferocious and sincere in castigating TSP. I haven't seen the video of Mullen doing an LET on TSP. Wonder if it was equally sincere. And you posted that well edited video of Hilary madam stick it to the TSP RAPE politely. I am sure she a thing or two to Kiyani in private. Something is cooking thats for sure. Lets wait for a few days till the wikileaks dust settles, and a clearer picture will emerge.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Sanjay M » 29 Jul 2010 10:25

CRamS wrote:The root of USA's India containment policy is the intellectual contempt and disdain western intellectuals have for Hinduism. Rajiv Malhotra had some brilliant narratives to make this argument.


The root of the USA's India-containment policy is Atlanticism, which sees both China and Pakistan as the most efficient means to attack the Russian bear, while seeing India as an obstacle to this strategy, as well as a general thorn in the US side at various international fora on various issues.

It was once Atlanticists saw the utility of China and Pakistan for their geopolitical goals that they have become captivated by this strategy and have never let it go. Just as the Atlanticists will never relax their tensions with Moscow, or entrust US foreign policy to Jacksonians/nationalists/"isolationists", they will never allow Indians to stand in the way of their goal of using jihadism against their hated enemy Moscow.

This is why they rant against Bush, and against India, while praising China and Pak to the heavens. The Atlanticists have the US too deeply in their grip.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby Philip » 29 Jul 2010 11:44

Hats off to David Cameron for calling "a terrorist a terrorist".His is a double edged warning to Pak,as Britain has had its share of home grown Islamist fundamentals,who get their orders and are trained in Pak to commit mayhem in the UK.Cameron has done us a signal favour by being the first heavyweight western leader to publicy thrash Pak's diabolic state policy of wagng terror against India and worldwide.It is now for the GOI to pursue this further with the UK,seethat UK aid and arms supplies to the TSP are curtailed and get the UK to pressurise the US to do the same.Obama's bluff and bluster must be called.He must put his money in his upper orifice ,not the lower one,which he is asininely doing right now!

The US however are still playing their insidious games,where the establishment long hooked on Paki "poppy",think that the Pakis and Chinese (as someone said) are required to "contain" the Russians! It is easy to see the US's game plan of encircling Russia with missiles in former Warsaw Pact states of Eastern Europe,down to the former Islamic republics of the Soviet Union,Pakistan and China.China does the same to India as well trying to encircle us in the IOR and all our neighbours on land.In this game that the US is playing,India suffers doubly.US deceit,chicanery and outright secret mala fide intentions towards India are thoroughly exposed now.It is upto to the great lover-boy of Uncle Sam,our dear doctor to now "bat at the plate" on India's behalf,but will he?

David Cameron accused of stoking anti-Western feeling on the streets of Pakistan
David Cameron was accused of stoking "anti-Western" feeling on the streets of Pakistan after accusing the Islamic nation of promoting the "export of terror" in Afghanistan and around the world.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... istan.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby amit » 29 Jul 2010 12:08

Now I wonder how much of David Cameron's blast against Pakistan has to do with this (from the link posted by Philip):

Further inflaming the situation, the Prime Minister announced that export controls on British companies selling nuclear technology and secrets would be lifted, and two UK firms signed a £700 million deal to supply Hawk fighter jets.
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Earlier, No 10 confirmed that the decision to lift a ban on the export of nuclear technology and components to India for civilian use came in the face of official Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence advice not to do so.

British companies will be free to strike deals worth billions of pounds under the new regime which will be based on a “presumption” that export licences will be granted unless there are specific concerns about a deal.


For UK with a $2.4 trillion (roughly) GDP which is stagnating (or deflating) India with a $1.4 trillion economy, growing at nearly 10 per cent, presents too important a market to ignore for a bunch of terrorists.

Money speaks. Just see the muted reaction from New Zealand and Austria to the Chini reactor "sale" to the Pukes. India's tragedy is that it still doesn't have enough to influence the whole world.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 29 Jul 2010 12:14

http://blog.dawn.com/2010/07/28/kayani-a-non-political-general/

“There is a lot which has changed during the past two months which may have convinced General Kayani to change his mind about accepting an invitation,” said Captain Hali. “There may have been pressure from the Americans who want continuity in the policies in the war against terror. Secondly, the elected government’s decision to give an extension to him forced General Kayani to accept the decision.”

“I have also heard that former generals, including former Army Chief General Abdul Waheed Kakar also tried to convince General Kayani to accept the invitation,” Captain Hali added.

It is surprising that the US changed the line of command from General Stanley McChrystal to General Petraeus during an offensive in Afghanistan but wanted General Kayani to continue in Pakistan. And that too, without any attempts at lobbying by the vested lobbies which had already ensured an extension for DG ISI Lt. General Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

An important factor in this decision was a Corps Commanders meeting just before Prime Minister Gilani announced the extension.

“I think General Kayani sought the opinion of the Corps Commanders in a meeting of the top military brass,” said Abida Hussain.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby svinayak » 29 Jul 2010 12:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU7fTzb-dFc
Can Pakistan Ever Be A Partner?
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Check the assets inside Pakistan

REMOVE the 5+2 biggest airbases that the US has INSIDE Pakistan for support and support

Find a way to FLY in or BEAM in 70 percent of the supplies of the 100,000 PLUS US and European soldiers to Afghanistan

[b]Tell Pakistan Army to REMOVE 175,000 soldiers that were removed from the Indian borders to go back where they should be.[/b]

Increase the cost of the war atleast 800 percent with a GUARANTEED FAILURE

And basically screw ourself in the ASS coz some redneck does not like the browns.


That's about as strange as aking if Hamas will ever be a pertner. And then one is forced to ask why and what for do we need these people as a "partner" Seems only prudent to want to "partner" with those that share a common goal and I dont see that in this endeavor. Fk this place and this charade,bring my people home and let the Paki's do their thing.
No, not really, when elements in Pakistan hid & comforted Osama. Just ask India how trustworthy Pakistan is


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby amit » 29 Jul 2010 12:21

The thread is moving so fast, so apologies if this has already been posted/discussed

Taliban Missiles Likely Supplied by Pakistan, Not USA

The media has seized upon this story as yet another government blunder since after all wasn't it the U.S. government who originally supplied the Mujahideen with stinger missiles back in the 80's when they were fighting the Soviets? However, a closer examination of the specs on these stingers leads one to a far different and perhaps more dangerous conclusion; that Pakistan has begun to supply the Taliban with their own surface to air missiles to use against U.S. forces.


The fact remains however that the Taliban are getting fully functioning MANPADS from somewhere, which in all likelihood have been constructed in the last 4-5 years. The most likely candidate is Pakistan which is both the traditional patron of the Taliban and has for the last twenty years been a manufacturer of their very own surface to air missile known as the Anza. The Anza has an effective range of up to 5000 meters and could certainly have been behind the downing of several US helicopters in recent years. In recent years, Pakistan has advertised the Anza series for export,displaying it at the International Defense Exhibition (IDEX) 2007 event in the UAE.


A thought struck me. We love to criticise our politicians for being gut less and not being able to stand up to the Pacquis. Now I think we can say that they are in good company. Even the politicians from the most TFTA nation on earth stay quiet when arms made in Pakistan (as opposed to arms gifted to them) are given to the Taliban and are used to shoot down US/Nato aircraft. In fact not only quiet but give billions in baksheesh to boot. At least India doesn't pay baksheesh to the Pacquis!

I would have though giving Anzas to the Talibs to shoot down US planes was an act of war?

PS: Now if a certain, ahem you know who, is Head Constable, I wonder what Ombaba is? :lol: :lol:

<Ducking for cover>

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

Postby derkonig » 29 Jul 2010 13:01

^^^
Uncle Tom to the TFTA ghazis.
Remember the 400 crores that Gandhi baba forced India to give them at the time of Independence esp. while India was herself short of capital. And don't forget the trade links (it doesn't matter what the trade balance is, Paki imports is akin to financing terror). What about the lopsided IWT treaty? We may not give them aid in currency, but we are the provide them with significant monetary gain.


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